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RE: Treo 90 also announced.
One more rant. I have 2 Voicestream stores within 5 miles of my house but when I enter my zip code on the Handspring site it says that Voicestream does not offer any plans in my area (I know this is wrong). The only way to order the Treo is without service! The cost is $699. That is ridiculous for a handheld that cannot take advantage of high speed data. The new XDA (Pocket PC phone) that Voicestream is going to release in June will only cost around $499 and be avialable to anyone off of thier web site. It is a color pocketpc (looks a lot like the IPAQ) with GPRS enabled.
I think Handspring has made a mistake with the Treo (high prices, limited expansion options).
RE: Treo 90 also announced.
Treo 90 has a 4oz, compact colour package with storage expansion capability. The fine tuned price point reflects Handspring marketing strategy for the Treo 90.
xda pocket pc wipes HAH!
So don't go talking about the IPAQ looking XDA till you see how much standby time the batter gives. If less than 24 hours, it's useless.
David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: Treo 90 also announced.
RE: Treo 90 also announced.
Typo
I believe it is Qwerty, not Qwert. :)
Mario
msmasitti@qwest.net
12-bit
well....12-bit...that's more than enough for daily use.....but just feeling a bit strange.....)
don't know if that would have any compatability problem...?
Alan
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Handspring's Toast
Handspring just can't seem to do anything right these days (on that note, whats with releasing your product on a holiday, pretty stupid).
RE: 12-bit
I think the 12-bit screen was a good, cost-cutting move. This handheld definitely beats out the m130 overall.
RE: 12-bit
sorry
RE: 12-bit
RE: 12-bit
unless they come up with self-developed 12-bit code again, just like last time when they do with 16-bit....)
Alan
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RE: 12-bit
but still, most apps won't be able to use that.........
Alan
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RE: 12-bit
RE: 12-bit
RE: 12-bit
out of 25600 pixels, 4096 number of colours should be fairly enough....right..?
Alan
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RE: 12-bit
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RE: 12-bit
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,86803,00.asp
Why the differences?
Why are there such pronounced omissions in the Treo 270 as compared to the Treo 90, announced on the same day? Why does the high-end 270, a $500+ device, include an older version of Palm OS, no expansion slot, no "Contacts," and no WordSmith, all features found in the "entry-level" 90?
Both of the Treo releases have seemed like products in transition. The first two Treos were black and white, with GSM but without GPRS, which makes them pretty useless as email devices (relative to the always-on blackberry). These Treos add color but not GPRS, and they have weird differences between them. Should we assume that an upcoming release will even out the featureset between these devices? Why would I spend $500 on a 270 now if the 90 is indicating that Handspring will finally upgrade the OS and will move to a standard expansion format?
What I want from Handspring is the same thing I've always wanted: a "power user" model that has everything a geek like me would ask for. In the Treo line, looking over these releases, that wishlist would be: PalmOS 4.x, Flash ROM for OS upgrades, SD slot, color screen, always-on email (GPRS or Sprint or whatever), full software complement, jog dial, phone, wireless net. I'd pay as much as the 270 or even somewhat more to get a device like this.
A lot of the features I list above are _not_ needed for the average user, and I think Handspring is right to leave them out of lower-end models (for instance, flash ROM). For me, though, Handspring devices feel like bad commitments without them. And I'm exactly the kind of person who pushes recommendations out to tens or even more than a hundred other people, and with a "power user" device in my hand I'd be a great Handspring salesman. Looking at these releases, though, all I want to do is stick with my Palm Vx -- on which I've upgraded the OS several times, with great results -- and wait for the dust to settle.
I really want to like the Treo. I want to buy one. Please, Handspring, hire a product manager and make it possible for me to do so!
RE: Why the differences?
The pocketpc phones are coming with critical fault of low standby battery life. When I pick my smartphone out of the cradle in the morning and head for work, the last thing I want to worry about is that the battery might go dead before I set it back in the cradle in the evening.
I've used Blazer 2.0 at 14.4. It's soooooooooooo sloooooooooooowwwwwwww. They better make 2.5->3G a priority.
David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: Why the differences?
they've siad that GPRS would be available by installing pathces at a later time and i don't found that as a problem.
but no expansion slot is really a big problem. i would prefer a slightly larger treo over a treo w/o SD slot......the programs nowadays are getting larger and larger and the number of apps are getting more and more. w/o SD slot, applications such as maps, etc.. would not be possible and that would really make your palm pretty useless.
well i have no idea what handspring is thinking of.
Alan
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RE: Why the differences?
Lack of Palm OS 4.1: Why do you need this? Exactly what is in 4.1 that isn't in 3.5? VFS access, there's no slot anyway (presumably, 4.1 was included in the Treo 90 precisely because there was a slot) I can't think of any other compelling reason. Compatibility isn't a problem.
Flash ROM for OS upgrades: Even given 4.1, there aren't going to be any more OS upgrades. (OS 5 won't work on this.)
Color screen: Got it.
Always-on e-mail: Treo Mail is close (although "close" might not be good enough) GPRS is imminent, although could be vaporware.
Full software complement: Go out and buy it yourself, if you're a "power user" then the lack of bundled software shouldn't be a problem.
Jog dial: Got it.
Phone: Got it.
Wireless net: Got it.
Finally, for $700, I seriously wouldn't want anything that would make it more expensive than it already is...
RE: Why the differences?
Bundled apps: Sure, I can download apps. The point, though, is that Treo 90 buyers are getting more features for less money. It's not fatal, it just looks bad.
GPRS: My point about this is that the real functionality of the Treo isn't realized until GPRS is available. As a result there's no compelling reason to buy _now_ -- it makes more sense to wait and see. I think Handspring should release a Treo that looks from any analysis to be the device to have now and for the immediate future -- not just a device that will be pretty cool six or nine months from now. They should be orchestrating their releases to make me want to buy one right now, and so far at least (with GPRS needing an upgrade and no color on the first models, then the omissions I listed at the head of this thread for today's announcement) they've failed to do that.
RE: Why the differences?
GPRS: The only issue is whether you believe Handspring will support GPRS or not. I believe they will... therefore I'd rather have a Treo now and GPRS later than both a Treo and GPRS later.
Case Material
What is the case material of the 270?
RE: Case Material
Just give me...
320p x 12bit colour screen
GPRS connectivity (maybe upgradable to 3G)
No stupid flip cover.
Hmm... that's about it.
RE: Just give me...
And Grafitti !!
And built-in Bluetooth, so I can use one of the very small Bluetooth headsets ...
Maybe Palm is listening
RE: Just give me...
RE: Just give me...
No graffiti!
Big bummer, but for the rest it's ok (i don't need SD and I'm okay with 12-bit colour).
The Treo 90 is nice too by the way.
RE: No graffiti!
RE: No graffiti!
Humm, it seems to me just to be a personal decision. I don't know that it "sucks".
I for one prefer Grafitti, and was dissapointed when the released version of the Treo only had the thumbboard.
Pre-release photos of the units showed both Grafitti and Thumbboard versions.
RE: No graffiti!
RE: No graffiti!
RE: No graffiti!
sd-slot & flash-rom
if the Treo270 had an sd-slot for all my misc. software and flash-rom for all my critical apps that i install with JackFlash. i would buy it.
for now, i have to chose between 2 models that come up short. i choose to stick with what i have now and wait.
Note: Handspring & Palm should wake up & give the geeks what we want if they ever hope to have us as promote their stuff, put smiles on our faces & cash in their pockets.
hey, but that's just me.
RE: sd-slot & flash-rom
Well, this is blind guessing, but I am sure Handspring does have a plan to evolve its Treo product family.
RE: sd-slot & flash-rom
RE: sd-slot & flash-rom
RE: sd-slot & flash-rom
Sorry, couldn't resist
RE: sd-slot & flash-rom
RE: Treo Belt Clip
The Belt Clip actually looks very similar to an earlier released product by ProMax Wireless.
Case Color is Silver
RE: Case Color is Silver
Yes the case for the Troe 270 is silver, I so the somtime back with the release of the Treo 180.
Brett
www.pdainhand.com
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RE: Parvez Musharraf was seen using a Handspring on PTV
RE: Parvez Musharraf was seen using a Handspring on PTV
RE: Parvez Musharraf was seen using a Handspring on PTV
RE: Parvez Musharraf was seen using a Handspring on PTV
Wow
Blazer 2.1?
RE: Blazer 2.1?
Thanks, Robrecht
RE: Blazer 2.1?
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Calling Plans for Treo 270
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What about a color edge?
RE: What about a color edge?
Not Really Available....
Even the product reviewers whose reviews are incredibly important come launch date couldn't get production units for their stories and had to depend on beta units.
People who placed orders on the Handspring site on DAY ONE of the launch are being told that they can't expect delivery for 2-3 weeks. While HS warns them that in advance, there is absolutely no reason why people on launch day can't lay their hands on goods much sooner than that, assuming there are reasonable supplies available. When you think about it, how long does it take to buy a cell phone online? Closer to to days than two weeks, that's for sure.
And think about it - exactly how many $500 phones do you really think HS sold on day one, such that a guy who placed an order at noon on launch day had to be told that the first supply had been exhausted? In this day and age, where neat phones are almost given away by service providers, it's hard to believe that the line for $500 Treo's snaked around the block. It's more likely that this is a bogus launch date, as compared to most real launches.
For a company betting their company on a new product line, this is astounding.
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Treo 90 also announced.