Comments on: Rumor: PC Mall Leaks Info on New Low-End Sony Handheld

PC Mall has a page on the PEG-SL10, a low-end handheld that hasn't been announced by Sony. If this info is correct, it has many of the features typical of Sony's handhelds. Like its current low-end model the S360, the SL10 has a monochrome screen. But unlike the S360, this new model's screen is 320 by 320. It also has a Memory Stick slot and a jog dial. PC Mall is offering it for $150.

Update: PC Mall has removed their listing on the SL10.

Update 2: Sony has officially announced the SL10.

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All levels suited

Stingray @ 7/19/2002 8:27:56 AM #
Looks like sony is trying to keep everyone happy:) NR series for Mr. C. Omputer, and this for Joe datebook;)


"May the potato be with you!"
RE: All levels suited
Stingray @ 7/19/2002 10:27:55 PM #
Dollar for dollar, i think sony handhelds provide the best value if you look at the hardware features. Dont get me wrong, im not a sony freak or anything, i use a M505, IIIxe, IIIc, and a m100. The only reason i shy away from clie's are that there is not enough software that takes advantage of its features to justify the drain on the battery life. Plus, my digital camera uses cf, not memstick.


"May the potato be with you!"

320x320?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 8:58:30 AM #
The Product Summary tab in the ad says "320x320", the Tech. Specs. tab says "160x160".

PC Mall doesn't know what it's talking about.

Need this but with OS 5

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 9:12:14 AM #
This is almost what I want but with OS 5 and a fast ARM processor. I'm tempted to buy this now but I'll probably continue to wait.
RE: Need this but with OS 5
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 9:21:01 AM #
OS 5 won't be available on $150 PDAs for at least a year. The first OS 5 PDAs will cost $400 or more. They are going to be kick ass and Palm/Sony knows people like us will pay $400 - $450 for kick ass stuff. Later the Early Adopter Tax will wear off and they'll drop in price.
RE: Need this but with OS 5
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 9:41:51 AM #
I'd really doubt the validity of this rumor. THe current S360 still holds up VERY well to all of Palm's offerings (especially the hideously overpriced m500 and m125) and stomps anything being offered in the Visor line. It would seem that Sony would either have to trim the feature set of the S360 to introduce a "new" cheap model (smaller screen/8 megs of ram etc) but when you start to think about it, maybe it's actually quite likely that they realized they had a hidden jewel on their hands and had to take it off the market ASAP!

I've actually felt guilty at times for not jumping on a deal that seemed too good to be true. Other than not having a cradle included the S360 seems like a fabulous deal if you don't need color. I expected Sony to either drop the model soon after releasing it, or jack the price up somehow. I've seen it priced close to $150 at times. I've recommended the unit to several friends as offering the most bang for the buck in the Palm OS market.

On a semi-related note, does anyone have any idea of the future release schedule of OS4/Dragonball handhelds? Will they continue to tweak and refine those models or are we currently seeing the final few releases from Sony now?

Palm's rumored upcoming $99 unit will almost certainly be the standard 8 megs/33 mhz model running OS4. I mean, Palm are still selling the m100's with serial only sync capabilities so I would assume they'd phase those out before the OS5 models are introduced, then divide their product line between the two OS generations. The first OS4 models to disappear will almost certainly be the specialized, low-volume, high-cost units like the 66 mhz Sonys and the i705. This is an area where Handspring could have swept up nicely, continuing to release refreshened Visors...


RE: Need this but with OS 5
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 10:37:31 AM #
two things, abundance supply of components, and weak Asian currency.
RE: Need this but with OS 5
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/20/2002 1:40:39 AM #
yeah, the first ARM/OS5 Sony will be the $500 high end guy. All the other models will remain 68k/OS4.1 for a while I bet, especially if this one is correct.

Virtual graffiti or the normal silk screened area?

Umm..How about T415 replacement?

Scott R @ 7/19/2002 11:20:59 AM #
Interesting that no one yet has compared this to the T415. Remember that one? That was Sony's monochrome 320x320 PDA. It failed and was pulled because the screen contrast was horrid. I'm guessing that they've improved the contrast (or are using a different monochrome screen technology altogether). At this price (and assuming that the battery life is great), this could be a winner.

Scott

RE: Umm..How about T415 replacement?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 2:40:58 PM #
you are right... it sound suspiciously like the T415... which is still on sale in japan too

but usually new products are announced in japan first... so maybe we'll find something out real soon

Same as T415
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 3:23:50 PM #
Specs are the same as the T415... it's a well known fact that few people want B/W screens these days, and with the failure of the 415 I find it odd that they'd release yet another B/W model.
RE: Umm..How about T415 replacement?
Palm_Otaku @ 7/19/2002 3:27:53 PM #
It wouldn't be too surprising to see Sony come out with the rumored SL10 as a monochrome 320x320 device.

Looking at www.palmevolution.com Sony seems to have roughly 9 month model lifespans, and it wouldn't be surprising to see the S360 line discontinued and the SL10 introduced.

ScottR is correct in that essentially it's also the replacement for the T415

Cheers,

Dan

RE: Same as T415
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 3:49:42 PM #
Is it a well-known fact? AFAIK, Sony's S320/S360 models have been selling fairly well. The failure of the T415 was because it was /expensive/. Perhaps few people want high-end B&W models, but for $150, this model might fare a little better.
RE: Umm..How about T415 replacement?
Altema @ 7/19/2002 4:20:57 PM #
"Sony's S320/S360 models have been selling fairly well. The failure of the T415 was because it was /expensive/.

The S series sells well because they are good devices. I don't remember the price if the t415, but I do remember the combination of a very bad screen, poor buttons, and battery life worse than some color units (7 hours according to Sony). If they were expensive, well, add that to the list.

RE: Umm..How about T415 replacement?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 5:26:04 PM #
Lets just say this, Japanese have different taste and different demand than Americans. apparently the S-series that people in US considered really great is not even listed on sony's website anymore, and the T-4xx people in US thinks it sucks so bad is still selling in Japan.
RE: Umm..How about T415 replacement?
Ed @ 7/19/2002 5:37:04 PM #
Actually, the S300 and S360 were never offered in Japan at all. I think Sony has decided that a 320 by 320 screen is a necessity for the Japanese written language.

If the T415 is still on sale in Japan, it must be left over inventory. Sony discontinued it there some time ago and it isn't available from SonyStyle Japan any more.

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RE: Umm..How about T415 replacement?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 9:01:20 PM #
"... it's a well known fact that few people want B/W screens these days ..."

Please do not parade your bias for fact.

The fact is that units with monochrome screens outsell units with color screens by a considerable margin. And despite all the hype about color, pixels, swivels and so on, the s320 is by far the best selling unit in the CLIE range.

RE: Umm..How about T415 replacement?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/20/2002 2:39:37 PM #
Actually, the S300 was offered in Japan, along with the S500, the color version, which never came here.

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Actually, the S300 and S360 were never offered in Japan at all. I think Sony has decided that a 320 by 320 screen is a necessity for the Japanese written language.

RE: Umm..How about T415 replacement?
Ed @ 7/20/2002 2:48:05 PM #
Sorry, I meant to say that the S320 and S360 were never offered in Japan at all.

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RE: Umm..How about T415 replacement?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/21/2002 8:32:47 AM #
The fact that one (type of) unit outsells another is by no means an indication of its popularity. The fact that most people would rather want to have a Mercedes than a Toyota doesn't mean that Mercedes outsells Toyota.

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"... it's a well known fact that few people want B/W screens these days ..."

Please do not parade your bias for fact.

The fact is that units with monochrome screens outsell units with color screens by a considerable margin. And despite all the hype about color, pixels, swivels and so on, the s320 is by far the best selling unit in the CLIE range.

Not Today

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 11:46:19 AM #
Looks like PC Mall is keeping up with its commitment to "Technology Solutions for Tomorrow"!

The last of its kind?

Foo Fighter @ 7/19/2002 11:57:23 AM #
Perhaps this will be Sony's last OS4/Dragonball architectured product...before the BIG move. Hopefully the new ARM based hardware won't be far behind this little guy.

Come on SONY! Bring on the new toys! :-)

true ...

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 1:47:53 PM #
the mentioned device will use the 320x320 gs display of the t-4xx series.
it will run on AAA batteries.

BUT THATīS NOT ALL:

we will see 2 low-price clies with palmos 4.1 blowing away the m1xx series of palm.

both will be quite thick but way shorter than any palm today.
no metal casing but a light-silver squarish plastic-casing.

the other one is REALLY SWEET:
rechargable, 320x320 colorscreen comparable in brightness and color to that of the NR.
(ca. 350 euro / 300-350 us$)

believe me or not! - i had my hands on this one a couple of days ago and could compare it with my NR!

flame me if you like but remember where you heard it first!

RE: true ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 1:57:31 PM #
ps: the color model will be called sl30
RE: true ...
TexSkater9140 @ 7/19/2002 2:06:19 PM #
How are you sure that they will blow away the m1xx series?
like what are the features that make them better then the said palms?
i am currently contimplating getting a m130, despite that everyone is upset because it "might" not have the same amount of colors it says.
if one of them is the same or better then a m130, at about the same price, i might just wait a while for that, unless it comes out after october, cuz i am yearning for color and cant wait much longer.
-alex

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RE: true ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 3:45:00 PM #
as said: the 320x320 color display kicks ass !!!
palm has NOTHING comparable!
(and itīs even shorter than the m130 but has the bigger display (not just in res.))
RE: true ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 3:46:34 PM #
Hmmm the previous poster brings to mind a recent issue that I never recalled seeing resolved. Did anyone ever confirm with absolute certainty whether or not the m130 has a true 16-bit screen? It's basically proven that the Treo 90 has only a 12-bit screen, right?

What would happen if I were to load Zap 2016 (instead of just regular ol' Zap 2000) onto an m130/Treo 90? Would everything display properly? Would there be more dithering than on a true 16-bit handheld?

Personally, I think that the washed out screens of the m130 and Treo 90 (especially the Treo!) as tremendous drawbacks to these units. personally, I find them less desirable than the "primitive" models they wereintended to replace, the IIc and the Prism.

RE: true ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/20/2002 10:14:59 PM #
If you're considering the m1130 u should strongly consider the T615. Better screen and thinner for $20 more. Worth it!!!
RE: true ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/21/2002 1:27:15 PM #
Just to comment on the Zap!2016 question - the game will work just fine, but with a 12-bit screen you'll see more 'stepping' on smooth colour gradients. BTW, the STN screens that the colour Treo and the m130 have aren't great for black-based moving games. That's the price you pay for cheap+colour!

David @ astraware.com

Someone mentioned..

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 2:01:58 PM #
I saw a post in anther forum mentioned that the multi-function stylus he bought from SonyStyle states that it's for "NR/SL/T/SJ" if that's true there will be probably another SJ?

Shape in S series? T series?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 2:19:18 PM #
Anybody know?
Or it's a brand new design?

RE: Shape in S series? T series?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 5:37:50 PM #
like the t-series but shorter, thicker and a silver plastic-casing.
RE: Shape in S series? T series?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 5:43:19 PM #
LoL ..

it'll be a new design I believe. probably won't be anything fantastic, anyway looks like a dirt cheap low-end $150 dollars handheld.

RE: Shape in S series? T series?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/22/2002 11:53:22 AM #
and now? - are you still "LOL" ?

http://www.sonystyle.com/home/item.jsp?itemid=45721

Could they be anticipating the release of this...

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 3:20:40 PM #
RE: Could they be anticipating the release of this...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 3:32:30 PM #
anticipating? what are you talking about?

That was a model in year 1999, discountinued long time ago.


RE: Could they be anticipating the release of this...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 3:32:36 PM #
Thats a very old palm, it came out in japan when we got the s300. Apparently the US got skipped on that one. Anyone ever use one? I always wondered how the color screen was on it...
RE: Could they be anticipating the release of this...
Palm_Otaku @ 7/19/2002 3:34:00 PM #
Heh, no the S500C (color, Japan-only) and the S300 were actually Sony's first Clie's, introduced in mid-2000.

RE: Could they be anticipating the release of this...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 3:34:38 PM #
Sorry, my bad.
RE: Could they be anticipating the release of this...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 3:48:23 PM #
The screen on the S500 was horrible, which probably is why they opted not to release it in the U.S.
RE: Could they be anticipating the release of this...
Scott R @ 7/19/2002 5:31:10 PM #
It's a shame because the original Sony's actually had very nice buttons.

Scott

RE: Could they be anticipating the release of this...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/19/2002 11:45:55 PM #
I have been using a PEG-S500 for a year and a half now, and I can tell you the screen is awful. Something like the M505 except that it only has 256 colors. Then again, it works remarkably well and I have yet to justify replacing it.

Regards,

Andrew

Where the hell are they?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/20/2002 12:56:02 AM #
Where the hell are the OS5 devices??? No news, no pictures and no updates. WTF. Another OS4.1 device again from Sony. What are these guys waiting for? I don't think these guys are selling a boat load of OS4 devices, so why keep bringing them to market?

We who will spend the money, are waiting for OS5 devices. I need to see if waiting is worth it or wait for OS6. Or get a PocketPC and I'm a damn mac user! Come on, let's get some hype started so we can get excited about these devices. Palm has RTM the OS already and I thought there were devices just waiting to explode on the scene before the return to school season? It's almost August and no peeps and no news at all.

WTF is up guys?

RE: Where the hell are they?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/20/2002 2:52:07 AM #
Wow these things are nice but they are a hyped day-runner (This is coming from someone with a NR) Calm down, take some pills man.
RE: Where the hell are they?
Ed @ 7/20/2002 10:09:51 AM #
Have you read about the Oslo prototype OS 5 device?
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3829

About its processor:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3852

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RE: Where the hell are they?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/20/2002 10:23:32 PM #
Yes I read this, big deal a picture of an ugly Palm device. And your point? One leaked picture and story does not add up. These OS4 devices are now glorified organizers with nothing new. Do we still need entry level os4 devices now?

I think there's plenty of os4 devices on the market to keep things going until the os5 devices come out. Unless we don't know something and os5 devices won't be out for another 6 months?!

I'm not angry, just upset at how the Palm market has dried up with nothing really spectacular. Sony has pushed the limit on hardware design and software. But nothing else out of the os4.

I just want to see some more details on os5 and get excited about what hardware could be coming out. I didn't think the ugly Palm picture was a big deal. Just the same crap of the past. Even the m515 is better looking.

RE: Where the hell are they?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/21/2002 9:18:14 AM #
The first OS 5 PDAs won't be out before September. Announcing them now would be a serious mistake. Remember what happened when Palm announced the m505 two months before it was ready? No-one bought the Vx for two months. The chain of events that started with that almost killed Palm and Handspring. Not again, please.
RE: Where the hell are they?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/21/2002 5:13:07 PM #
Well how about some details and pictures of OS5? So i know what to look forward to in my next purchase. So far from what I read OS5 isn't going to be a big deal. It is a transition OS to different processors and hardware. Maybe OS6 will be something to be proud of. I think OS5 is playing catch up to PocketPC, I hate to say it. Sorry guys, but I have owned many palm devices and the only improvement b/w them was hardware, the OS stayed the same pretty much. I need more now, not a glorified organizer only. The iPod can do the basics already and play music and store data.
RE: Where the hell are they?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/22/2002 8:22:35 AM #
With OS 5.0, multimedia, music, and gaming is STANDARD, which means all the new apps will look cooler and run smoother than ever. And OS 5 devices are backwards compatible for older software.

So what's the difference between OS 4.1 and 5.0?

Faster processor. OS 4.1 is limited to 66mhz so far, and that is pushing the envelope severly. OS 5.0 can go up to 200+ mhz. Big difference? Oh yeah!

Better multimedia. OS 4.1 has the capability for streaming multimedia and music, but it is not standard. For OS 5.0, streaming video and mp3 are both standard features.

Better gaming. This can allow smooth gaming experiences. Say goodbye to Hardball and say hello to Tekken Tag Tournament!

All in all, OS 5.0 will be a great advancement into the future, and most people are really underestimating its power.

not so eager

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/21/2002 8:04:52 AM #
"Though many people are eagerly awaiting word of Sony's handhelds which will run the new Palm OS 5"

Who cares about PalmOS5? It won't make a big difference to users: it runs basically the same software as PalmOS4.

RE: not so eager
mashoutposse @ 7/21/2002 11:22:58 AM #
You'd think that people would have learned something from the PPC's flubbed XScale introduction. OS5 will not be the be-all/end-all upon release, mainly because developer support for it hasn't caught up yet.
RE: not so eager
abosco @ 7/22/2002 3:13:24 AM #
I hate it when people don't read.

"Who cares about PalmOS5? It won't make a big difference to users: it runs basically the same software as PalmOS4."

Let me calm down and explain this AGAIN... it isn't a software difference between OS 4.1 and 5.0. The difference is hardware capability. With OS 5.0, multimedia, music, and gaming is STANDARD, which means all the new apps will look cooler and run smoother than ever. And OS 5 devices are backwards compatible for older software.

So what's the difference between OS 4.1 and 5.0?

Faster processor. OS 4.1 is limited to 66mhz so far, and that is pushing the envelope severly. OS 5.0 can go up to 200+ mhz. Big difference? Oh yeah!

Better multimedia. OS 4.1 has the capability for streaming multimedia and music, but it is not standard. For OS 5.0, streaming video and mp3 are both standard features.

Better gaming. This can allow smooth gaming experiences. Say goodbye to Hardball and say hello to Tekken Tag Tournament!

All in all, OS 5.0 will be a great advancement into the future, and most people are really underestimating its power.

•Bosco
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RE: not so eager
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/22/2002 5:27:54 PM #
Exactly my point, why be so eager for OS5 if it does the same. Might as well jump ship now and go with something else. Linux or PocketPC since these are just glorified organizers to begin with. I'm saving my money until someone can come up with a new idea or killer app for PDA's.

Here it is!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/22/2002 9:42:36 AM #

WHAT....No Modem?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/22/2002 2:00:14 PM #
Anybody know why they don't have a modem?
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