Comments on: Quickies: Screen Repairs, Fonts, Plucker is the first company to offer a Do It Yourself screen repair option for the Palm m125, m130, m500, m505, and m515. They will also have Visor Edge and Prism screen repairs by the end of August. -PR

International Typeface Corporation has released the ITC eBook Font Pack for the Palm Reader Pro. It includes ITC Charter, ITC Kabel, and ITC Officina Sans and there are five sizes for each bitmapped font. It costs $15. -PR

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Pay for fonts for the Palm?

ardee @ 8/6/2002 9:57:48 AM #
Has anybody here ever paid for fonts for the Palm? Is this a new market?

RE: Pay for fonts for the Palm?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/6/2002 10:29:07 AM #
yup - i did! - big mistake!

i bought the extra useless agfa fontpack with palmreader pro.

i higly recommend the free "alpha fonts" which you can use with 160x160 res and "lubak´s clie hires fonts" for use with hires(+).

RE: Pay for fonts for the Palm?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/6/2002 1:50:27 PM #
Yep, I also paid to have a big blurry bunch of fonts to gobble up my ram. What a waste of money for the Agfa fonts w/ the Pro Reader. I tried it first on my IIIc and then on my m505. Same results on both units. It actually made things LESS legible than they were before. Oh well. That's $15 I could have used on a new DVD or registereing another Astraware game. I really do not see the market for add-on fonts at this (relatively) early stage in the game. Now, in a few years when we are up to OS5/6 and have screen resolutions that can justify "fonts", that might be a different story.

For now I am content with my Palm default font. Well, just for curiosity purposes, I might as well ask where one can obtain these free "Alpha" fonts?


I.M. Anonymous @ 8/6/2002 10:00:34 AM #
Anybody wish to comment on Plucker? It looks mighty impressive and it's free! From the site:

Carry the web in the Palm® of your hand...
Plucker is an offline HTML viewer for PalmOS® devices packaged with UNIX and Linux conduits and a Windows installer in Virtual Pascal. An included set of scripts will spider HTML pages which you specify to a supplied depth, and parse them on your desktop machine. Those webpages are processed there and transferred to the Palm for viewing by Plucker.

Plucker supports clickable images, italics, multiple databases, configurable display parameters and stylus options, compression, Perl and Python conduits and parsers, a Windows fully-integrated installer, and a whole lot more!


This new version of Plucker includes quite a few advancedments, including JogDial support (in the HiRes branch), VFS support, colored text, a faster parser, and more.

RE: Plucker
mclemored @ 8/6/2002 10:05:49 AM #
I submitted this one, so I'll speak out on it.
Plucker is like Avantgo EXCEPT:

1) You don;t have this MONSTER viewer file to install

2) It will scarf down almost ANY webpage

3) Compresses documents using ZLib (builtin) so documents are actually smaller than Avantgo

I use it in conjunction with sitescooper (more open source! Yay!) and I have a batch file on my Windows box
that is scheduled to run everyday at 0600 and 1800 (6am and 6pm) that automatically downloads all my newsfeeds and throws them into the Install directory so that all I have to do is sync my m505 and I have all my news there. All free. And since Plucker for Windows installs components into your right-click menu, if you have a .txt or .htm(l) file stored on your local machine, you can right click on it, select "Convert to Plucker" and it will create a Plucker .pdb file that you can hotsync to carry the content with you. I have been using it for years to store docs on my various handhelds (PalmIII, Vx, m505).
Once I get my Zaurus, I will probably try to compile a viewer for that too. Great little program. Of course, you can't go online with it and use it as a browser, but there are many more apps out there that do it better.
NOTE: Plucker only reads Plucker-formatted docs. Not DOC standard files or iSilo-formatted files. Although since it is all open source, someone COULD throw those capabilities in there. There is even a online PDF to Plucker formatter on their website somewhere....

David A. McLemore

RE: Plucker
mclemored @ 8/6/2002 10:20:38 AM #
Oops...forgot to point out that you DON'T have to install Activestate's Perl for Windows. It comes with it's own little runtime. Of course, I love Perl so I loaded it :) I also think you need Perl to run sitescooper, but Plucker has it's own little scarf programs that you can run to auto-download content with. I use to run that one before I found I could run sitescooper on my windows box. Using Plucker on a Linux box is a little complicated right now (for the average user) but they ARE working on a "Plucker Desktop" for Linux and there is already a "Plucker Desktop" someone built for Windows (Google it).

David A. McLemore

RE: Plucker
wilco @ 8/6/2002 10:54:07 AM #
Finally another 'stable' built for Plucker. It's beta, but at least it's better than those daily-builds. It's been almost a year since they release another of this general release edition.

What I like about Plucker is that it uses your own PC as server, so while it's slower than AvantGo, you don't have to worry that it will ever become a paysite like Mazingo for Pocket PC.

RE: Plucker
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/6/2002 10:54:15 AM #
I tried Plucker once. Found it difficult to use and figure out. Instead traded it for iSilo, which isn't free but pretty cheap. Plus it works on Win and Mac. (I sync to both)

I'd like to see a software shoot-out between Plucker, iSilo and AvantGo.

RE: Plucker
mclemored @ 8/6/2002 11:28:42 AM #
Once they get the Plucker Desktop finished for the *nix users (oh, and Windows...duh) then a shootout will be possible. I for one look for total size of the converted document, which is one place where iSilo and Plucker blow Avantgo AWAY. Time will tell though. Looks like this to ME:

Avantgo: For people new to offline web browsing on the PalmOS. Easy to use. Gotta use THEIR sitelist though (last time I looked, years ago)

iSilo: For Avantgo users who tire of Avantgo...and want a nice easy desktop app (shareware). And want MORE choice over what sites to download.

Plucker: For the hardcore user. Command line driven, but desktop is being worked on. Considered beta, but I have had no problems.

Once again, try 'em all, pick the one that suits you best.

RE: Plucker
Ronin @ 8/6/2002 11:47:53 AM #
Don't forget HandStory.

In the Spirit of Umoja,
RE: Plucker 1.2 is a BETA, not RELEASE
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/6/2002 12:02:01 PM #
Finally another 'stable' built for Plucker. It's beta, but at least it's better than those daily-builds. It's been almost a year since they release another of this general release edition.

Plucker 1.2 has NOT BEEN RELEASED so please don't consider it as such. It is a BETA, and is there for the purposes of testing. There have been new releases and code committed to the cvs almost daily, even if the website hasn't been updated.

There's a new website being redesigned, as well as a bunch of other tools to use for this new revision of Plucker. Nobody on the team is "dormant", and in fact, we've been cranking hard at code and bug fixes and new features. Are you not on the mailing lists?

RE: Plucker
mclemored @ 8/6/2002 12:06:12 PM #
EXACTLY! Not release code, but BETA code!
However, some users might not know what to do with a tar.gz or .bzip2 file, so if the website people could just slap a .zip file on there with the latest beta in it, you could get more input from the Windows users....although, personally, I prefer Linux...just wish I could get that &*@$ desktop to compile...oh well.

David A. McLemore

RE: Plucker
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/6/2002 12:37:01 PM #
ok so i've gone to the plucker website and downloaded the file but how do i open it?? its got some wierd name/extension. anyone have any idea how i get around this?
RE: Plucker
mclemored @ 8/6/2002 12:44:10 PM #
You need to go to
and download the bzip2 program. I have already posted to the Plucker buglist site a request to also post a regular .zip file of the latest BETA release.
Keep at's a good program. And the price is just right :)

David A. McLemore

Plucker Desktop
plaid @ 8/6/2002 5:06:39 PM #
Try out the Desktop BETA. It works really well, makes it super easy to set plucker up.

RE: Plucker
mclemored @ 8/6/2002 5:14:41 PM #
I figured SOMEONE knew where this was....
Now let's just see how it is on Windows and Linux.
I know it's beta software and Not Yet Ready For Prime Time(tm) but it is still a good program.

David A. McLemore

RE: Plucker
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/6/2002 8:27:40 PM #
I've been a happy user of Plucker for some time. I looked at AvantGo and iSilo. AvantGo is too bloody _big_, and the full iSilo version is highly capable but too large as well. (The free iSilo reader is usable, but lacks to many features, like support for hyperlinks.) The current beta of Plucker is 99KB, which is quite reasonable for the features it provides.

If you install under Windows, Plucker adds a Convert to Plucker choice to the context menu for text files and HTML documents. Select that choice, and the Plucker parser will convert the text file of HTML document to a Plucker format PDB file in the same directory, which you can hotsync to your PDA using whatever tools you normally use. (I like PInstall for that.)

My big use of Plucker is as a reference tool. I'm a SysAdmin for a living, and most of the documentation for systems I deal with is available in HTML format. I use Plucker to create PDA versions, and carry the equivalent of about ten karge paper manuals around in my pocket, with full search capability. (Among other things, the complete set of Linux HOW-TOs is available in Plucker format.) The Plucker docs live happily on my expansion module, saving precious RAM. At this point, my Visor Pro is largely a Plucker engine.

One correction to an earlier comment here by mclemored however: Plucker does not require Perl. The Plucker parser is written in Python, another free, open source language, and the full Windows installer includes a version of Python, so you don't need it already installed. Sitescooper _does_ require perl.

The increased compression from Zlib is also a boon, but that is provided by sysZlib, yet another open source product. Zlib uses the same compression algorithm as the gzip utility from Unix. If you normally use Zlib compression on your Plucker documents, you'll need to beam sysZlib _and_ Plucker to folks who you would like to share Plucker files with.


plucker hires not ready yet

adamm @ 8/6/2002 1:45:58 PM #
This version of plucker does not contain the hires binary for sony or handera devices yet. I'm still putting the final touches on that and 1.2beta11-hires should be relased shortly.

Support will include 320x320 res for sony, 240x320 for handera. Plus the ability to display the toolbar from within the silkscreen, and raise/lower it accordingly (handera only, for now)

GetHighTech parts

Altema @ 8/6/2002 1:56:04 PM #
GetHighTech also has other parts, including system boards, batteries, and shells. A complete M515 is also available for $250 for just the handheld (no cradle, manual, software, or DTG). If you are good with the hardware, you can buy a system board and complete screen for $200 and convert your m505 to an m515. They have always been good about standing behind their products and have been real helpful with all my orders and hardware questions. Oops, just remembered I forgot to send back a screen to them...

RE: GetHighTech parts
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/6/2002 4:56:04 PM #
Does anyone know why a 515 screen cannot be installed upon a 505 motherboard? I will guess that the connectors do not mate. I would love to upgade my 505 with the 515 screen.


Logo out of place?

PalmAddict @ 8/6/2002 2:24:07 PM #
I just thought it humorous that the logo used for Plucker, a piece of Palm OS based software, is that of a Compaq IPaq. This is not meant to be a slam on PPC! With so much of the media calling PDA's "Palm Pilots" regardless of what they really were, it was funny to see the shoe on the other foot. I wonder if this was done intentially or not.

I look forward to what these guys can do with this software in the near future.


"If it weren't for electricity we'd all be watching television by candlelight." - George Gobol.

RE: Logo out of place?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/6/2002 3:22:54 PM #
It's intentional, but is going away with the new website. Plucker does run on an iPAQ running Linux, using the GTK+ based viewer, and there is interest from people in porting it to WinCE/PocketPC devices, but none of us are going to do that.

Stay tuned for more...

RE: Logo out of place?
mclemored @ 8/6/2002 3:55:55 PM #
I figure I should have my Zaurus in about 3 or 4 months....that means the GTK+ viewer will run on it right? Both are using QTopia right?
What do I know, anyway....used to Linux, but NOT Linux-based handhelds.
Anyone? Bueller?

David A. McLemore



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