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The company has not dropped the price of its wireless handheld, the i705. Palm will also be announcing the Tungsten W late next month, a wireless handheld that is a noticeable improvement over the i705.
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RE: why would people buy this?
Remember, the posters on Palminfocenter are the exception, not the rule, when it comes to PDA usage. We are generally power users, and we are not a huge market share for Palm.
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"I see software for Palms everywhere, but I almost never see software for the Sony models. That is why I'll pay more money for the Palm."
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The lack of the m505's backlit Grafitti area and a slightly longer-life battery (I like to have the brightness cranked up). Otherwise, it's a top-notch unit in all regards. It's probably the most elegant handheld ever made (I never liked the V's black buttons) and for many, many folks, that's all that matters.
m515 still pricey with discount
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Because it is slimmer.
But those are superficial, Main reasons are:
Because Palm take care of its customers WAY better than Sony.
Problem with Palm, the send you a replacement before you send yours in.
Sony will keep you from your device for a couple of weeks, while you wait for a repair, no "loaner" PDA.
When you have real work to get done, service is far more important than resolution. (Oh and you can see a few more cells in quicksheet on a Sony. big deal.)
Just to let you know I have a PalmV and a Sony 760.
I like my Sony, Love the screen, I will get the new NR not the Tungsten.
But I fully understand why others chose Palm.
I want to cry...
How many people think those software will work for Palm modles only??
How many people out there realize the "backup card", "game card", "ebook card" made by Palm are actually the same expantion cards, thrown in different software and make them "sounds" pretty, and they can be actually be done in one single card?
sad, sad, sad... ...
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So they don't have to deal with clutter and bloatware.
BUTTONS
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Yes, the hardware is great, so why would anyone settle for less hardware?
The reason is because there are people who, no matter what it runs on or how cheap it is, do NOT want Windows on their handheld.
Microsoft can't grasp this concept. It is utterly unthinkable that any human being would prefer anything else. Six months was supposed to be the "takeover handheld universe" timeframe. What year is it now?
I appreciate the hardware advances, even if PPC profit margins are cut to the teeth to get more people to buy them. However, you can't force people to buy what they don't want, and a lot of people don't want PPC because of the OS and software. The hardware is not the issue.
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And the Pocket PC trolls rear their ugly heads...
To start with, PPC is a joke. It's buggy, more difficult to use, buggy, lousy on battery life, and oh, wait...BUGGY!
PPC users marvel at how "thin" the e310 is. Big deal! It's still big. Do yourself a favor--go to CompUSA and hold an e310 side-by-side with a Visor Prism. You'll find that they-re essentially the same size, regardless of what the specs say. The e310 is thinner--that's all.
Granted, Toshiba did well to do this "with a Pocket PC." But it's still a PPC, which means it's crap. And crap isn't a value, no matter how cheap.
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Yeah, PocketPCs are just wonderful, aren't they? My e740 was so wonderful that a week after I bought it I exchanged it for a Treo 90. I don't want another Windows machine, I want a PDA that does exactly what it was intended to do. If I wanted a mini game machine, I'd buy a Gameboy Advance.
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By then we should see more then built-in 16mb and won't be hit with the early adopter tax, so I new that if you are buying on OS4.1 handheld, get one that is usable and pleasing to the eye over one that IMO, is ugly (T665) or chunky (SJ30). The peripherals are plentiful as well, as I got a keyboard and Kensington hard case also.
By the way, I am a longtime Sony fan. Only previous handheld was S320 and reliability was unbeatable... Hopefully my m515 is the same.
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hmmmmmm. i like palm, but: i have a freind who bouaht an m505 with the crappy, dim screen. 1 week later the m515 came out. he exchanged the m505 and got the m515 and the screen was indeed bright and more evenly lit, however, 2 weeks later he accidently dropped it into his pool . The unit he got after that had horrible shadowing on the edges of the screen (looked as bad as m505). 3 units later (ALL has the same kind of problems, inlucing one with dead pixels) he gave up. Thats quality? I am blown away by how lame the QA is on these devices. We have 320x480 screens out there, and Palm can't make 2 units (w/screens of 160x160) the same. Each one was crappy in a slightly different way. Unbeleivable disapointment.
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A few questions for those that have upgraded from the 505 to the 515:
How does the 515's battery life w/ backlight set to the low setting compare to the 505's battery life w/ the backlight constantly on?
Is the Grafitti area visible/usable in total darkness (like, in bed) with the brightness cranked up all the way? Does it produce enough ambient light?
Finally, does anyone here regularly overclock their m515? I like to run my games and Kinoma a tad faster than default--say, 38 mhz or so. Has anyone ever compared the extra drain on the batteries of both m5xx units?
Thanks!
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My decision was between the 515 and the Sony T-615, and for me, the button design, UC, and battery life issues were the deciding factors. The 515 isn't flashy, just rock solid at what it does, and good-looking to boot.
My question is why anyone would want to buy that finger-pinching Tungsten T thing? Sure, the guts sound nice, but the design is just impractical and gimmicky. Palm should have stuck with a classier, one-piece look and made the innovations where they count most (virtual grafitti, jog dial, etc.)
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Better, by about 15% even though the brightness is about twice of the 505. On high, it will be less than the 505. I use the high setting only once in a while, like in some board rooms, offices, and stores that have a strange effect on screen brightness. I went through six 505's, so I had plenty to compare with...
"Is the Grafitti area visible/usable in total darkness (like, in bed) with the brightness cranked up all the way? Does it produce enough ambient light?"
It's usable, but does not stand out like the 505. Of course, there IS no other handheld with a backlit hard grafitti area.
"Finally, does anyone here regularly overclock their m515? I like to run my games and Kinoma a tad faster than default"
I have FastCPU which I bought mostly for TealMovie. Kinoma Player runs fine without FastCPU. Sometimes I'll kick it up to 40 or 50Mhz just for kicks, but keep it at the usual 33Mhz because everything is pretty much instant anyways. That is, unless I'm working on a laptop-choking spreadsheet or my relational database is way past due on it's archive appointment. Slight increase in battery drain at 38Mhz, more noticable battery drain above 40Mhz.
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Yeah, it's pretty tough once you get used to it. That's why I'm making sure my next device is a good one so I won't have to revert. Only one thing stopped my from going 320x320 already: The way I use my handheld it would be dead before lunch, as opposed to still at 75% at the end of the day like my current device.
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I personally couldn't go back to that crappy beep beep that the Palms offer, after having Polyphonic sound on a T665.
Between having built in MP3, Hi Res, MUCH better alarm sounds, and jog wheel, I just can't understand ANYONE choosing the M5x5's over a Sony.
Crummy stylus? Crummy up/down buttons? Yeah... but what you get in exchange far outweights (for me, anyway) what you give up in a "nice stylus/buttons"!
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I think the Sony T-series kick the m515 6 ways to Sunday in form factor and features. The m515 is way to wide to be held comfortably, unlike the T series with JOG dial.
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Don't worry, your hands will get bigger when you grow up. Hope your spelling also improves.
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Try 4x as many, if you keep the scale 1x1 for the cells
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you get better screen on Clie Big DEAL
you get better sound on Clie Big DEAL
you get jogdial on Clie Big DEAL
you get cooler design on Clie Big DEAL
you get Clie for cheaper Big DEAL
you get camera on Clie Big DEAL
you get mp3 on Clie Big DEAL
you get better bundled apps on Clie Big DEAL
I get better buttons on Palm ..... LoL .....
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Nobody is force feeding you with anything, we are just tell you the truth. The truth is Palm's PDA are over priced, yeah seriously over priced. we I doesn't like PPC, but look at Toshiba e310, for christ sake you could possibily get it for 200 dollars at office depot now, and the stupid m515 is selling for WHAT !? 350 !? .... ARE YOU KIDDING ME !? the toshiba e310 is superior than Palm M515 in anyway possible (except maybe the OS that's a personal preference) and selling for like 150 less .... go figure.
I Love the Palm m515. You don't have to.
I carry the Palm (starting with the V) in a shirt or suit pocket, daily, all day long. And dispite what some think, "almost" the size of a V/5x5 just doesn't cut it.
And I'm not a "Techno-Idiot", and I *don't* need an MP3 player or camera to do business. I do need a solid PDA, and it doesn't have to play games. (I also don't need a cellphone that plays games or has 1,000 ring tones.)
Now I'm sure there are those that need such features and just *must* have a 320x320 screen and a 225MHz processor, yadda yadda. That's fine. Get what you want, or what you need.
But there is absolutely no reason for *me* to get something I *don't* want because some pre-pubescent pinheads (Slayer rulz!) feel that their PDA de jour is the only possible choice for everyone else. Kids strive for status in the strangest ways.
There are just not enough adults here to wedge a foot up the poor excuse for a brain center, so the adults can *discuss* without their whiney rants.
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yep
"you get better sound on Clie Big DEAL"
yep, but not as loud and uses more power
"you get jogdial on Clie Big DEAL"
yep
"you get cooler design on Clie Big DEAL"
personal opinion, majority differs
"you get Clie for cheaper Big DEAL"
yep, depending on the model
"you get camera on Clie Big DEAL"
one model only, the most expensive Palm OS device ever
"you get mp3 on Clie Big DEAL"
yep
"you get better bundled apps on Clie Big DEAL"
Palm: DTG Professional, Clie: DTG Standard. gMovie is obsolete and been replaced by Kinoma Player, which is free. Photo viewer, remote, and other apps are cool though.
I think we are missing the point that these handhelds are aimed at different markets. Palm takes aim at the business user, Sony takes aim at students and those more enterested in entertainment and gadgets. They both do a good job, even if they do not appeal to the opposing groups.
Think of it like this (but only if you are not married!): Palm is a great secretary who is attractive and knows how to have fun at times. Sony is a great girlfriend who can also do secretarial work.
PS: No flame intended, just pointing out some reasons for differing preferences. I myself would have the Sony if it was equipped more for business. We don't have to hate everyone who has a different opinion.
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Plus, I get a technology allowance at work and the m515 was free for me. Heh heh.. Forgot to mention that minor detail. (Of course, I could also have waited and used my allowance on an OS5 device instead.)
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That's one of the reasons I haven't give away my m515 yet. I have a lot of accesories (2 64MB memory cards, 1 BackUp Card, Bluetooth Card, PPK & Case, Slim leather Case, Belt Case, Pilot Pentopia Stylus, Brando's screen protector, Seiko ThumBoard, 2 USB Cradles, 1 Serial HotSync Cable, 1 USB Charger/HotSync cable, Margi SD Presenter To Go..) and I just can't decide myself if selling it to get one of the new generation or to keep this one. :(
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"Missing" two buttons
Yes, how *dare* Palm omit some features to reduce the price for an entry level PDA?
M515 $330 at Staples this coming week
It has been less than US$300 for a while
Retailers are putting other things as a bundle as well - Chinese OS software, screen protector, stylus, cases...sync-charge cable...
It will use high-speed GPRS networks
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if OS is not named as "Palm OS" , m515 can't be $399.
many people believed "Palm HandHeld" is the best match of "Palm OS". So, Palm m515 is still alive in the highly competitive PDA market although it is sold with an unbelievable high price.
Image that, Sony or HandSpring made a handheld with the same spec. of m515 and hope to sold with $399, Will you buy that?
Could it be said that tradition is worth something....
Wake up, Palm Inc..........
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"If I get something other than a Palm, I won't be able to find software for it."
Maybe when Palm changes it's name this problem will become a thing of the past.
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Palm Inc is sleeping.
http://cyclone.8k.com/bigscan.jpg
Toshiba E330 is PXA250 running at 300Mhz with 64Mb mem, while Sony NX are PXA210 running at 200Mhz.
Is anybody in Palm Inc awake? or are they sleeping on the wheel?
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Only hope in hell that PalmOS has is Sony so all you Palm Zelots bow to your new lord and savior SONY Corp.
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