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Metrowerks' next version of its CodeWarrior™ tools will support application development for Palm OS 5 handhelds that contain processors from Motorola, Intel and Texas Instruments based on ARM® core technology.
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RE: More pictures on Tungsten
http://www.idedata.no/butikk/produktbilde.asp?ID=1005xs2.jpg
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The sliding bottom, on the other hand, is a different story. If not for that one uncertainty, I think I'd already be sold. :)
Jim
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I think its thickness is deciptive.
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The Phantom Strikes again
Anbody buy a Tungsten yet?
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I agree that is does look thick, but like other posters have observerd, perspective is skewed by the unit being so short when closed.
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What a load of b*llsh*t! Like that Sony folding and twisting contraption was neither gimmicky nor flimsy nor did it add up to a pretty thick device!
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Actually I was wondering whether that was some kind of release for the sliding area...?
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The Phantom Strikes again
RE: More pictures on Tungsten
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: sliding lid? "It may be fragile", "It will be slow
: to open", "It makes it thick" ....
I believe people are just concerned, and not necessarily complaining. For all we know, it could be the sturdiest PDA alive. But unfortunately, we have nothing tangibe to verify. So, until this finally hits store shelves, I'm afraid all these 'complaints' will continue. I'm sure the same amount of people voiced the same concerns when the NR clam-shell designs were announced.
: What a load of b*llsh*t! Like that Sony folding and
: twisting contraption was neither gimmicky nor flimsy
: nor did it add up to a pretty thick device!
I think you may be misinterpreting what is really intended by most of the previous posts related to design. Just because I, for example, voiced concern about the sliding design, doesn't mean that I'm completely ruling out purchasing this device for only that reason.
Anyway, I can't wait until the launch date. I'm already drooling. :) Now.. where to get an extra $500. :(
Jim
RE: More pictures on Tungsten
>>and also that there is a scroll/jog button below the
>>headphone jack.
Is that really a jog dial? Looks like a button to me. But then again, maybe I just need my eyes checked.
>>I have to say that these "photos" look a lot more
>>like CG renderings than photos to me. The shadows
>>and highlights don't look quite natural and the
>>complete lack of background suggest a computer
>>generated image rather than an actual photograph.
The shadows maybe were cg, but so what there's no background. Ever heard of green screen?
Buying aTungsten
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Burning Desire: The want or need for something great.
Burning THE Zire: A fun recreational activity involving setting Palm's new crappy handheld ablaze.
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I personally think it looks like a button, and my guess is it is a 'hold' button as seen on Clie devices that can play MP3/ATRAC3. No doubt Palm have decided that a hold button to turn off the display and disable the buttons while playing MP3s is a god idea. Personally I would like to see a jog dial, and can only hope there may be one on the other side.
Stil not sure which new Palm device to buy to replace my ageing Visor DLX (the digitiser has gone now -- almost impossible to use). While the Tungsten looks tempting, I may buy a cheap Sony SJ30 and wait 6 months or so to see what appears.
FBN
RE: More pictures on Tungsten
Yes, it's a button and definitely not a wheel. I guess the question is if it's a simple single contact button, or if it is a compound switch which responds to up and down presses (kind of like a minature version of the up/down scroll buttons, which have one face but use two contacts). The German website did say it was for scrolling, unless they meant it was a release button for "scrolling" the sliding part down!
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Does anyone have mirrored them ??
RE: Case
RE: Case
RE: Case
Greetings, Roel.
RE: Case
RE: Case
Yes, it's possible, but that would mean that you would have to remove the cover to use any clip on accessories. Those rectangles are where accessories like sleds and gps units hook. However, I usually remove my cover to use the gps anyway unless I'm in the woods or on top of a building.
One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
As for the pics...WOW. It looks nice. But I have to comment on the sliding graffiti. It looks like its open when hotsyncing. Wouldnt that be pretty hard when opening the graffiti box when in the cradle?
"Now thats just PRIME!"
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Another application seems to be called 'Blue Chat' -- sounds like fun, no wonder Tungstens are priced for the adult market!
FBN
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Which bluetooth phone to buy
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Anyone know if this will ship with Palm's new web browser?
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Meetings. I have seen someone with a laptop in a meeting send email to the person at the other end of the table to pass the bagels. Waste of technology (unless they're really GOOD bagels), but it was the only way to communicate silently at the time ;)
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
It should be possible with the right software, but I think you would be better off with a real Bluetooth Headset. They don't weigh much and would leave your hands free to use the Palm for notes etc.
With the OS still not supporting multitasking, not sure if you would be able to use it as a headset in speaker mode and still use the device at the same time.
I picked up a real cheap one today and it actually works better than some of the branded ones. £50 in the UK so probably $40-$50 in the US assuming no tax.
Zuber
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
MTT
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
I was thinking the same thing when I looked at that app. The only other reasonable use would be if a company set up multiple Bluetooth access points within their building, using Bluetooth instead of 802.11b. Palm, Inc. (or PalmSource - whoever just moved into the new building) I believe did just that. But I don't forsee many other companies following suit. 802.11b is the superior technology for that purpose, IMO. Bluetooth is all about eliminating cables for short distances (which is great).
Scott
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
cheers
matt
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
Also, best BT phone by far is SE T68i. Small, sexy, and fully buzzword compliant. The bees honey-sacks.
Laters,
FBN.
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
I got this one.
http://www.skypower.com/product/product1.html
from
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=EZ232
To be honest, I expected it to be cheap and nasty. But it is actually quite good (so far). I bought a more expensive "conventional" one that wraps round your ear for more money. I found it annoying after wearing it a little while.
The other "flaw" I found with the others is that you need to use both hands to put it on. Not very useful at 70 MPH (The legal limit ;) ) when you realise you forgot to put it on.
With this one, it's just a little earbud, and there is simple but clever little hook to put the earbud in when you are not using it. Also none of the others (except Nokias own) apparently work with the 6310i.
Zuber
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
FBN.
RE: The best Bluetooth headset, by far...
cheers
matt
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
The sliding graffiti is a nice option. It makes the Palm smaller when closed. When you see the actual cover you will all be disappointed, a big step back from the leather flap.
The screen is bright and crisp and the speed is amazing compared to the m515. Voice recording is cool and comes in handy for quick messages while driving etc. This is definately a big step forward for Palm.
There is much improved navigation with the additiona of a button and 4-directional pad.
The look and feel of the OS is very much the same as previous versions. Icons are a little prettier but the menus and navigation are basically the same.
One observation, with the cover on you cannot open the slide and write on the graffiti area. Like I said the cover was a big mistake. It's a clear plastic cover that snaps on/off.
It is compatible with m500 series accessories like the cradle and modem due to the universal connector.
A word to the wise, unless I am having specific problems, not all Palm software works on this device. Avantgo for one locked up the Tungsten and it had to be reset and uninstalled. I'm sure this will be worked out quickly.
Due to the price ($499) Palm may force many people to convert to PocketPc with devices like the Toshiba e330 retailing for $349.
Anyway, ask away and I will try to answer your questions.
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
I was thinking the same thing when I looked at that app. The only other reasonable use would be if a company set up multiple Bluetooth access points within their building, using Bluetooth instead of 802.11b. Palm, Inc. (or PalmSource - whoever just moved into the new building) I believe did just that. But I don't forsee many other companies following suit. 802.11b is the superior technology for that purpose, IMO. Bluetooth is all about eliminating cables for short distances (which is great).
You can use the Bluetooth Chat using a connection with a bluetooth phone. This allows you to chat over long distances.
Katunka----also known as slim devil
OS 5
"Now thats just PRIME!"
RE: OS 5
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Fammy
RE: OS 5
I've bet they only mean their program is compatible with OS 5. Technically, it's impossible to fully utilize the ARM processor, as native ARM applications are not possible with OS 5. However, they may do some optimizations by fully utilizing the CPU in some routines/segments of the application.
Tony
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With great power comes great responsiblity.
RE: OS 5
Unless, perhaps they mean they have an OS 5 specific version ready.
The Phantom Strikes again
RE: OS 5
RE: OS 5
That's my interpretation anyway.
Zuber
RE: OS 5
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
PACE and OS 5
Just to reiterate a few basics:
: the OS5 operating system is running in native ARM code.
: PACE stands for Palm Application Compatibility Environment and is basically a little TRANSLATOR application, *not* an EMULATOR. (It converts things like the "endianess" of instructions on-the-fly.)
: the ARM processors have great "mips-to-milliwatts" ratios, meaning they are powerful yet power-frugal
: ARM processors also integrate a DSP (digital signal processor) that handles multimedia processing to "share the load"
You can dig a little deeper here:
<http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/palmos5/>
Cheers,
Dan
RE: OS 5
end of October."
Don't forget that there are two types of Palm programs under Palm OS 5: ARM OS 5 programs (these will not run on earlier DragonBall devices) and "legacy" programs that execute under the PACE emulator which is itself a native ARM program.
It all really comes down to how the programmers designed their programs. I think that we can be pretty confident that if they followed Palm standards closely, the programs will work. If they go too far "outside the box" then they may not work.
RE: OS 5
This is confusing -- for now, consider ARM support a feature, like HiRes support for the CLIE or QVGA support for the HandEra 330. Eventually, likely with the next big OS release, there will be applications written entirely in ARM code, but for now, everything has at least some 68K code to work with PACE.
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: OS 5
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Tungsten T accesories
Palm Tungsten T Stylus 3-Pack
Palm Tungsten T Polyurethane Scuba case
Palm Tungsten T Slim Leather Case
Palm Tungsten T Hard Case
Palm Ultra-Thin Keyboard
Quite nice to have these things imediatley!
RE: Tungsten T accesories
RE: Tungsten T accesories
http://www.idedata.no/butikk/store.asp?ID=138EC94AAE4B4124960CF65181DC9D21#Palm%20Tungsten%20T
If you go to the General page of the Tungsten you will find it under: Palm Tungsten butikken
RE: Tungsten T accesories
Protective Cover on Tungsten?
Anyone see a slot or something like on the Sony's that has the cover flip over from the top?
Really want the device, but for me that presents a very practical limitation.
RE: Protective Cover on Tungsten?
CodeWarior and NSBacic
BTW: does anyone want to join my PUG in Toronto Canada?
www.pdainhand.com
I love my Palm Dictoinaree
RE: CodeWarior and NSBacic
Also to start programming you could start off with pocketC a C like language for Palm OS that is much easier than C or C++. You can develop very powerful stand alone apps using tools from www.orbworks.com (the compiler is very cheap and they have an IDE for just $80) and there is a good book on amazon about pocket C. Also a good compiler that is easier for begginers is the one from www.falch.net
RE: CodeWarior and NSBacic
2) Please *attempt* to spell halfway right; it shows respect for the readers. Currently you've demonstrated you don't care enough about your post to edit it, so why should we care to read it?
3) There is already a PUG in Toronto; see www.canadapug.com IIRC. Its been aruond a long time.
4) You don't learn to program in 2 months; if you want to learn in 2 months, skip a course and just get to it. Some of the very best development tools around are *free* silly :) (For unix, for windows, for Palm OS, for Mac, you name it). At a minimum, look up "gcc", "mingw", "cygwin", "prc tools" and other things.
5) Checking Palmsource's website will tell you how to develop PalmOS applications, and will give you options from free, to shareware, to commercialware
6) Sorry for the harsh tone, but too many mistakes in one post for me to handle :P
RE: CodeWarior and NSBacic
Nice site actually. I like the Zire-ish feel of it, and its really good to see more PDA stores in the Toronto area. Are you walk up, or by phone only? (ie: Since PalmTopShop/Newtonstore went under, we've had to resort to EB and FutureShop. I supopse they're cheaper since PTS was crazy prizes, but I liked the atmosphere there, and it was cool to see the eMate and other cool Newton stuff about :)
Any idea when you'll have the Tungsten or NX70? Sony took a loooong time getting the Clie's to Canada, so I hope they dont' repeat that horrid performance with the NX70 :/
jeff
The Shadow knows!
RE: CodeWarior and NSBacic
A demo version of CodeWarrior is available for download - it has all the functionality of the fully licensed version. The only limitation is the size of the applciations you can build. Alternatively, if you are a student you can get an academic edition for about $100.
If you are serious about programming I suggest you learn to use a professional tool, that way you won't have to learn a second tool when you need to get to the next level.
RE: CodeWarior and NSBacic
Tungsten T estimated arrival on Nov. 8th at Office Depot
Price: $499
Not sure if this is old news or not...
Anybody notice the price?
Norwegian Money Euro
1228 150
4958 x
If I calculate right, that would be €600.
Now the fact that Norwegian stuff if a little more expensive, then in Germany I guess that this thing will cost €500-550 and $450 in the US.
What do you think?
CODEWARRIOR
RE: CODEWARRIOR
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
Tungston - Email
Questions
What does the button on the left of the device (just underneath the headphone plug) do ?
What applications are included with the device (what programs are installed when you first turn it on)
Can it play MP3 audio?
What is the audio volume/quality like? (if you have tried this yet)
Is there anything on the right side of the device?
Thank you very much
Some Questions
How well does it handle large/complex Web Pages ?
Has it got a Zoom function like the one on the New Clie ?
How does the Zoom work ?
Does the zoom allow you to see a screen greater than 320 wide e.g. 640 wide zoom to 320. OR is it 320 wide and zoom to 160.
Is there a quick way to enable/disable images for download (without going through menus and preferences).
Any chance of a picture of it with the flip cover in place ?
Does the sliding mechanism allow for a full screen protector including the Graaffi area ?
Have you tried out the Bluetooth at all ?
How does the 320 x 320 screen compare with the larger (physically) Pocket PC screens. Would you still feel you had more "space" on the larger Pocket PC screen. (If only it was virtual Graffiti)
That will do for the time being ;)
Zuber
RE: Some Questions
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RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
palmonthe run @ 10/24/2002 1:44:27 PM
OK, I have had one of these devices for about a week now. My company does a lot of Palm business so they usually give a new devices prior to release.
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Somehow it became a seperate section.
Zuber
RE: Some Questions
"Firstly, I'd like to thank you for offering to answer our questions. The only questions that come to mind now are:
What does the button on the left of the device (just underneath the headphone plug) do ?
What applications are included with the device (what programs are installed when you first turn it on)
Can it play MP3 audio?
What is the audio volume/quality like? (if you have tried this yet)
Is there anything on the right side of the device?
Thank you very much"
I think I'll try to repost where it belongs
RE: One of the Tungsten pic's shows a Dialer
What does the button on the left of the device (just underneath the headphone plug) do ?
What applications are included with the device (what programs are installed when you first turn it on)
Can it play MP3 audio?
What is the audio volume/quality like? (if you have tried this yet)
Is there anything on the right side of the device?
Thank you very much
Bluetooth
What about the MP3, does it compare to the Clie.
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