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(Updated) Sony Japan has announced the Clie PEG-TG50. From what we can tell the TG50 runs Palm OS 5 and has a built in Bluetooth, keyboard and flip cover.
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and T|T replacement too...
RE: Treo 90 replacement!
- HangoBango
if it's not broken, brake it!
Bluetooth is FULLY MOBILE.
The emphasis in Bluetooth is on mobile, re-configurable computerized units that need sporadic contact with each other.
http://www.swedetrack.com/images/bluet00.htm
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
RE: Treo 90 replacement!
Seriously. I might like a thumbboard. But why would I move from SD to MemStick and add an ounce and an inch to my PDA???? Same memory. Basically the same screen. Proprietary Sony launcher?
T|T has everything on this Clie that matters to most people and is substantially smaller and lighter.
You wish Sony fans.
Claire
RE: Treo 90 replacement!
>>Seriously. I might like a thumbboard. But why would I move from SD to MemStick and add an ounce and an inch to my PDA???? Same memory. Basically the same screen. Proprietary Sony launcher?
Just as important - to a games freak like me - why would i want to ditch my T|Ts D-Pad?
RE: Treo 90 replacement!
Putting the TT in a case adds more than an ounce to the overall weight of the unit while significantly increasing its thickness. The integrated cover of the TG50 would be enough protection for my front pants pocket.
Sure the TT has that snap-on cover but it seems like such a hassle to deal with when out and about. I've always loved the elegant simplicity of integrated flip-covers.
I've been giving my upgrade a LOT of thought and have come very close to buying the TT or the Treo 90. I decided against the TT because of the cover-as-an-afterthought and that slider. Ugh, I don't think I could ever get used to it. The incredibly pocketable Treo 90 is a joy to hold and I don't mind the "old school" 33MHz processor and Palm OS4. It's that awful low-res, low-refresh screen. After using my Sony 610 for over a year, the Treo 90's display is horribly jaggy. Still, I'm a function over form kinda guy so I was taking another long look at a demo Treo 90 and was still tempted to buy one. I think I will wait to see how the TG50 feels in hand before I make my decision.
Keep in mind that all of the above comments are made with *my* usage habits as a point of reference. What may work for you might not be ideal for me.
If only Handspring would update the Treo 90 with a 66MHz processor and a 320x320 screen...I'd be all over that like hair on a gorilla.
RE: Treo 90 replacement!
No, because they both have Bluetooth. And many people purchasing a device with BT will want to hook it up to a BT phone and send emails or do instant messaging. And a thumbboard makes those tasks easier. But, certainly there are tons of people who buy TT's without ever wanting to do any (or much) wireless stuff with it, in which case the TT may be more desirable for them.
Scott
RE: Treo 90 replacement!
The tg50 isn't quite there as a combination of the two. Yes, it has the screen, and it has the KB, and even adds BT. But it's bigger than the treo, heavier, and the battery lasts 1/2 as long. Those 3 things led me to the treo 90, and I can't see myself giving up on any of them.
RE: Treo 90 replacement!
What would you be GAINING by purchasing a whole new handheld? A flipscreen and keyboard? WOOOOOOOO! Sign me up!
I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.
Palm Bluetooth Stack for OS5
http://makeashorterlink.com/?S316250B3 (supported profiles). Extended Systems has more then 130 Bluetooth Customers worldwide.
Every Bluetooth member (more then 2000 worldwide) can pick the available Bluetooth profiles they want to use with there product(s). Palm chose not to include all the Bluetooth profiles that are available from Extended Systems. So Palm has add limited profiles to there Palm Bluetooth Stack for OS5. Adding that certain profiles of the available total of 13 profiles aren't intersting for certain products. It's argueable. It's something different imho when for instance Microsoft picks only 3 profiles with there Bluetooth Desktop Solution and which ONLY works with Windows XP. They didn't include the PAN profile for instance (MSFT profile update will come this year they said). That this Bluetooth Product of Microsoft doesn't work with other Bluetooth Products isn't a surprise unless it supports the same profiles and works with Windows XP. That certain so-called tech writers like our Walter Mossberg of WSJ haven't done there DD and write st@pido things like "...installed the Microsoft software and was using the keyboard and mouse, tested the Bluetooth transceiver to see if it would recognize another Bluetooth-enabled device -- a Sony T68I cellphone. After following 46 arduous steps -- 46! -- with help from a technician, we still couldn't get our computer to communicate with the phone. In my test, I couldn't get it to work with a Bluetooth-equipped IBM laptop."
Now what a surprise.....This is a Microsoft issue not a Bluetooth issue imho. You could say that every company should include the complete profiles but, like i explained above, certain profiles aren't useable in certain products. You don't need the Headset profile with a keyboard for instance (ok maybe some do ;o)
"....Bluetooth is being optimised for a myriad of different roles. With these 12/13 new profiles, in addition to the 13 existing profiles, Bluetooth's abilities are being solidified from vague goals to practical real-world implementations. As more and more products implementing these profiles are released, the true potential of Bluetooth should be realised, showing to the user the practical uses of Bluetooth-enabled devices, as opposed to industry promises & newspaper predictions of what Bluetooth can do. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a digital camera transmitting a image to a mobile phone, via a Bluetooth link, is worth even more to Bluetooth's future user up-take."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2D5420B3
deadline.
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
RE: Treo 90 replacement!
Thumbs up....not
:o(
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
Sony Ericsson CDMA phone (for Sprint?) with Bluetooth
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030304/0645000587_1.html
mobile.burn.com: The T608 is Sony Ericsson's first phone for Sprint and the first CDMA handset in North America with built in Bluetooth. To be used on Sprint's CDMA 1xRTT network, it can be expected to share the typical Vision features such as GPS, Java Games and Polyphonic Ringtones.
http://mobile.burn.com/news.jsp?Id=187
Sprint will offer Bluetooth Handsfree as accessoiries with there phone.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L357420B3
Sony Ericsson Bluetooth phones include the R520, T39, T68i, P800 and the upcoming T610 (T68i's substitute), T608 and Z1010 dual mode UMTS/GSM-GPRS phone
http://clubsonyericsson.com/en/
http://clubsonyericsson.com/en/products.htm
http://www.sonyericsson.com/t610/
Z1010 dual mode UMTS/GSM-GPRS phone with Bluetooth connections to up to 100 meters
http://mobiledreams.free.fr/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=55
Available/Arriving Mobile Phones with Bluetooth(+ CDMA/Bluetooth issue; scroll)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L225259A3
*The Motorola TimePort 270c is a CDMA phone and has been available in the US but has Bluetooth as additional/optional feature and not built-in.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C587250B3
http://www.4cellular.com/search/phone_Detail.cfm?id=8
Products like this Sony-Ericy CDMA phone with Bluetooth and the new Sony Clie Devices makes Bluetooth Wireless more attractive in the US and Asia imho.
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
Sony Ericsson Bluetooth Music Hands-free HBM-30
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K148660B3
(REMINDER) PalmSource and Sony Ericsson Bluetooth Deal
Posted By: Ryan on Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:25:08 PM
PalmSource, Inc., and Sony Ericsson, today announced their plans surrounding optimization of the Bluetooth interoperability between Sony Ericsson mobile phones and Palm Powered(TM) mobile devices.
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=4382
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
RE: Treo 90 replacement!
I never give up the "funk". Love those old funk/soul guys like Larry Graham, Zapp, Johnny Guitar Watson, James Carr etc. yeah yeah.....deadline.
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
Would take convincing to go back to Sony...
Also - the screens for the CLIEs have always had a bluish tinge to them, not to mention the irritating narrow font they use as a hangover from the japanese character development base.
I swapped TO the Tungsten T from the T665 and am really pleased with the battery life (considerably better brightness-for-brightness), implementation of simple bluetooth. And for me - grafitti has been an excellent way to enter notes on the fly - I wish T9 had carried on into OS5 - but I have the slim keyboard for longer text tasks and until such time as an OS5, phone/BT/Wi-Fi unit is released...see no need for an on-board keyboard.
As I began - horses for courses...but I love the small Tungsten T.
TG665 Navigation Buttons
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consume...pop_feat1_6.jpg
Also, VG on TG50 seems to take up space on the screen. If you use the VG on TG50, you will only have few space left to see things. Check this out (scroll all the way down at the bottom):
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consume...TG50/feat2.html
:)
RE: TG665 Navigation Buttons
RE: TG665 Navigation Buttons
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-TG50/feat2.html
Instead?
If they did VG as in HandEra and NX70/NZ90 fashion, it would mean a 240x320 (the 80 pixel space at the bottom for the VG), space for the app to display in. Don't know about that. It leaves a non-square area for a non-high res app to fit into.
You could perhaps do something like the reversi game image:
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-TG50/Images/feat4_15_2.gif
Where the app displays in the square area of the upper left. In this case a 240x240 display. Leaving 80 pixels below for graffity, and 80 pixels on the right, for whatever. Blank space? Or write to it with a proprietary Sony API?
Not unlike the HandEra 330. A 240x240 display (doable also with the OS5 API with 1.5x scaling mode). You can shrink the VG area and get 240x320.
All speculation. Interesting device though. Page-up/Page-down seems to be the only nasty detracter. Sure there's the jog dial. I can send page-up/page-down with the jog dial on my HandEra too (on non-HandEra-ized apps), but the hardware buttons still get their use. Often the jog dial is trapped for special use, leaving you with the hardware buttons again...
RE: TG665 Navigation Buttons
Apples to oranges
lets see how smart sony is
RE: lets see how smart sony is
Ive been waiting for this model but im not so happy of seeing the same up/down button on my 665c
I wonder...
Now that Palms are running ARM, StrongArm in fact, is the day near that people will be able to choose between PalmOS, Pocket PC, or Linux? Also,
How in hell can Sony make something that small, functional, and beautiful with basically the same (or better) hardware that makes Pocket PCs so clunky?
RE: I wonder...
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RE: I wonder...
RE: I wonder...
RE: I wonder...
Uh...yeah. And it's also one of the slowest and worst performing. Your arguement is invalid.
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RE: I wonder...
http://www.pdafrance.com/articles/article.php?
cat=machinesppc&id=242&p=3
RE: I wonder...
Oh, and the HP1910 is unbearably slow. I thought I was using my m105 when I was playing with it.
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RE: I wonder...
h1910 speed
Bluetooth-enabled iPAQ H1915 (updated 1910) Coming!?
http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/2951.html
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RE: I wonder...
However that said, I would have purchased this instead had it been available 3 months ago. It is a little homely compared to the 1910 but looks very useable, and with the backlit keyboard would have been exactly what I was looking for.
VG Model coming anytime soon?
RE: VG Model coming anytime soon?
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RE: VG Model coming anytime soon?
Garmin was close, in my opinion. I don't have a need for the GPS (but it would be fun).
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RE: VG Model coming anytime soon?
If you mean a hires+ (320x480) display, then where in a slim unit are you going to put the battery to power that many pixels? Battery life (power on time) is usually more related to the number of pixels on the display than to the CPU MHz.
RE: VG Model coming anytime soon?
2) I don't know if I'd call that "Virtual Graffiti" in the same sense that the
RE: VG Model coming anytime soon?
2) I don't know if I'd call that "Virtual Graffiti" in the same sense that the HandEra/Sony clamshell/Garmin units use, where instead of a "static" Graffiti area you have one that can disappear. That's what I've always understood VG to be--something you can turn off to expand the screen, not something that you bring up like the onscreen keyboard.
backlit buttons?
see
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-TG50/feat3.html
if they are, it looks _very_ cool
t.
RE: backlit buttons?
RE: backlit buttons?
the 2 perfect pdas finally exist: the tungsten t and the tg50
the only thing missing for a perfect line-up is a tg50 with a 320x480 screen and no thumb keyboard
my only worry for the tg50 is the battery life - i'm using a T600C right now and its battery life sucks
t.
RE: backlit buttons?
1) Why aren't they using the tranlucent screen like their SJ33? That would be great to have. I wonder if the cover is replaceable?
2) The app buttons look awful and it would have been better if they integrated it more like the Treo (below the screen cover). Of course, without a see-through cover, it's probably unimportant.
My other problem with it has nothing to do with the device itself. The only option for Bluetooth in the US seems to be the T68i with AT&T or T-Mobile. Coverage isn't very good for me for either of these and neither offer an affordable (if at all) unlimited data plan. When is Sprint's BT phone coming out?
Scott
RE: backlit buttons?
I think my ideal device would probably be an NZ90 without the CF slot and in a shorter/thinner package. But the TG50 may be the next device for me. Good thing I didn't lock into that Sprint contract. ;)
Scott
RE: backlit buttons?
Scott
RE: backlit buttons?
RE: backlit buttons?
You mean "Transflective" display? It is.
"it's better to be a pirate than join the navy." - Steve Jobs
RE: backlit buttons?
RE: backlit buttons?
"You mean "Transflective" display? It is."
No, I mean the translucent screen cover (sorry, I left that last word out). Personally, though, I'd rather it be transparent, as opposed to translucent. I use my Treo 300 quite a bit to check appointments, etc. without ever bothering to flip it open. But translucent would have been better than opaque.
Scott
RE: backlit buttons?
RE: backlit buttons?
Nope. I meant what I said. The SJ33 has a translucent, not transparent cover. It's color-tinted and fairly dark, so it's not as good as a clear transparent cover (which, as I said, I'd prefer), though I imagine Sony thinks their colored covers look "cooler." Usability has never been a top priority there, it seems. Still, even a translucent colored cover would be better than the solid metal cover that it has.
Scott
RE: backlit buttons?
Does anybody out there use their color pda with the backlight off all the time? Just curious as to the possible scenairo.
i wonder if keyboard backlit can be turned off
i wonder if keyboard backlit can be turned off and keep screen light on..
RE: backlit buttons?
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RE: backlit buttons?
RE: backlit buttons?
RE: backlit buttons?
a plastic cover could possibly crack after pro-longed use.....and.....the fingerprints on it is really ugly....
and most important....if you want the device to be thin enough, you can only go for metallic casing.....
Alan
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Wow, neat little handheld.
This will hurt the Tungsten line.
It is me or does it seem like Sony is playing "what you can do, I can do better!" with Palm.
This annoucement along with Palm's warning of lower than predicted $$, will hurt Palm alot.
(Conspiracy theory)-->Seems funny that Sony is announcing the earlier than expected release of the memory stick pro and now this announcement. I bet the "patch" is around the corner. If a patch is require at all. Sony may have just told everyone that a patch was require so the reg. memory sticks will keep selling. Anyway, everything seems to be falling into position.
KAY
RE: Wow, neat little handheld.
Personally, I just prefer the SDIO to the Memory Stick format.
In any case, I am sure this device will certainly boost up the popularity of the Palm OS 5 to consumers!
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RE: Wow, neat little handheld.
Also, I loathe the MS format (pro or otherwise) but I still must commend Sony for getting certin little details right, such as the backlight keyboard! Wow! I just wish Palm would learn a lesson from that and from the only good feature of the m505, the backlit Grafitti area.
Ideally, a (realistically) refreshed T|T would squash all of the bugs of the T|T, offer a backlit Grafitti area, and bump up the ram and cpu as much as possible without handicapping the battery life. Until then, I think this new Sony is gonna steal a *lot* of sales from Palm's T|T as well as be a nice upgrade for some Treo 90 users as well.
RE: Wow, neat little handheld.
RE: Wow, neat little handheld.
-Better screen (if the NX and SJ33 are any indication)
-NetFront internet browser
-Native support for MS Office (Word, Excel, PPT), PDF, and HTML email attachments
-Jog Dial
-MPEG player
-Mactromedia Flash
-Brushed aluminum flip cover
-Lit keyboard (for emails and such)
-Remote camera feature (can control Sony's new BT-equipped cameras remotely -- this one is amazing)
-MUCH better looking
That equals a TG purchase for me.
RE: Wow, neat little handheld.
The Price?
The price of the TG50 is 40,000 YEN.. which is about.... $319
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RE: The Price?
Itai
Clie TG50 Prices
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=699666/ut=c0c1c40274a76764
Two stores are already listing it for sale; lowest unit price this far is $375.95 at Computers4Sure.com.
RE: The Price?
Goodie. It looks like it's coming to the US pretty soon after all.
Scott
RE: The Price?
Still the price falls right in line. The T665c was $399.00 US when it came out.
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It's nice but.
But one think for sure, Sony will beat Palm this year. Tungsten I great and I have it but there is still no free mp3 software from Palm and it has pathetic alarms and no multimedia even.
Damn you Palm, think and don't be destroyed by this stupid decisions.
RE: It's nice but.
Possibly in your mind, but not on this planet. Palm outsells Sony something like 5 to 1 and I doubt that will change drastically. I'd buy a Tungsten T over this without thinking twice about it. The only advantage it appears to have is that it might have a user-replaceable battery.
RE: SAME UP AND DOWN BUTTONS!
Scott
RE: SAME UP AND DOWN BUTTONS!
RE: SAME UP AND DOWN BUTTONS!
KAY
RE: SAME UP AND DOWN BUTTONS!
I didn't see those - nice. Still - in the pitch of battle with an alien race thats hell-bent on conquering earth - i don't think i would the future of the human race to those little things :)
RE: SAME UP AND DOWN BUTTONS!
you don't need them
i always use the jogdial instead
t."
thraal, i do need decent up/down buttons. I have t665c and i never use the jogdial.
Keyboard, Memory Stick Pro, Alloy body
It also says it's Memorystick Pro compatible, which is better I guess than the old memory stick.
I also like the all aluminum body and the back lit buttons.
It also seems to have phone capabilities along with a plug in card. It already has support for Japan's PHS service. Hope they have something for GPS compatible module.
RE: Keyboard, Memory Stick Pro, Alloy body
More photos here...
http://www.palmoslove.com/work/feature/news20030304.html
Some comparison shots to the NX-series and SJ33. Definitely a bit longer than I hoped for.
Scott
RE: More photos here...
They looked very cool, and I really liked the shiny aluminum casing. Looks very sleek and professional.
KAY
RE: More photos here...
TG50 Pricing
I think this is a killer of T|T which is selling for $399.
RE: TG50 Pricing
RE: TG50 Pricing
where did you see scuh a good deal?
RE: TG50 Pricing
where did you see scuh a good deal?
Just search google usinmg keywords 'tungsten t' and 'price' - you'll find numerous online retailors with prices in the $308 to $349 range. The camera deal is mentioned in the previous PIC news item and is also on Palms site.
flip cover
TG50 size
RE: TG50 size
Now if the graffiti 2 still works good maybe this is a good combo of the 2 options.
As far as the 480 screen ... I want one really bad & all I can think of is ... Garmin is the only one who has shown they will do it I haven't checked to see what happens to all the programs I like to run on a nx70 but I am assuming either many don't take advantage of the full screen or just plain don't work ...
I asked dataviz if they would flip their screen to take advantage of it & they suggested I submit it as a suggestion. I was disappointed to see that even though the 480 screen has been out for a while ... no one is really taking advantage of it.
So where I also really want a 480 screen ... I wonder if I would really benefit from it.
RE: TG50 size
Scott
RE: TG50 size
http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?threadid=74103
"It's the size of extended Tungsten, almost the size of 39xx.
iPAQ h1910 = 6.71 cubic (4.46"x 2.75"x 0.50") 4.23 oz.
iPAQ 3955 = 10.49 cubic (5.3" x 3.3" x 0.6") 6.5 oz.
Tungsten = 7.20/8.64cubic (4.0/4.8"x3.0"x0.6") 5.6 oz.
TG50 = 8.8 cubic (2.8" x 4.96"x .64) 6.4 oz."
Then someone else pointed out that if you put a case on the TT or the h1910 they actually are about the same size as the TG50:
"You are comparing a device with a flipcover with devices without them, which means they need cases of some kind. Therefore, a fairer comparison would be the TG50 without its flipcover on.
That's 5.0 x 2.8 x .5 = 7 cubic inches, or between the h1910 and the T|T while open."
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I am thinking about a Tungsten T and this TG50. The differences I can see are:
Size - As you mention - if you put a tungsten in a case this is actually smaller (depending on the case).
Input - It has a keyboard - which I prefer. And some kind of virtual grafiti - even though it makes the screen smaller.
Memory Card - But Sony is usually behind secure digital on the memory sticks - until now??? Maybe they have a wi-fi stick coming around the same time as the SD WI-FI?
Speed - negligable probably.
Battery length - probably about the same? I don't know.
Looks - the TT looks better, but this looks pretty good too.
Screen quality - toss up? Slight edge to Sony?
Screen size - ????????
Any other comparisons????
someone tell me how to add a picture, then I will really scare you all!
Why Choose Tiny Keyboard Instead of Big Screen
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RE: Why Choose Tiny Keyboard Instead of Big Screen
Sony Leaves Room for Palm to Jump Ahead
At least 32 MB RAM (they really should go to 64 MB+
320x480 screen with virtual graffitti (D-Pad would
be great with landscap view of large spreadsheets;
got to drop the TT's slider)
Replaceable battery (a must with higher RAM)
Dual SD slots (one for Wi-Fi, one for apps)
Keep Bluetooth
Bundle the essntial software (back-up, enhanced
security, MP-3 (got to do alot better here then their
half-***ed effot with the TT)
Add some video capability out-of-the box to give them some glitz.
David
RE: Sony Leaves Room for Palm to Jump Ahead
Dude, you are dreaming. Since when has Palm done anything innovative in the past 5 years. Increasing the RAM? If Handspring didn't push the envelope with their 8mb Visor Deluxe, Palm will still have only 2mb RAM.
Yeah, Palm will increase the RAM as soon as someone else do it, then they will just follow the leader like they have with everything else.
KAY
RE: Sony Leaves Room for Palm to Jump Ahead
KAY
RE: Sony Leaves Room for Palm to Jump Ahead
RE: Sony Leaves Room for Palm to Jump Ahead
KAY
RE: Sony Leaves Room for Palm to Jump Ahead
RE: Sony Leaves Room for Palm to Jump Ahead
there have actually some sources saying that garmin is using the Sony Hi-res+ API for their devices so that their devices will be instantly compatible with most of the major apps.
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RE: Sony Leaves Room for Palm to Jump Ahead
KAY
RE: Sony Leaves Room for Palm to Jump Ahead
The Garmin is the size of the silver clamshell CLIEs (and thicker, actually!); I don't think that's the solution most people had in mind.
No Virtual Graffiti No Buy
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im going to japan next month - should i buy one ?
I'm UK based and am travelling to Japan next month and am toying with the idea of buying the TG-50... It looks like a mighty fine machine (thogh I, like many others would still prefer a virtual graffiti machine as opposed to the thumb keyboard)
I've got the Sony DSC-FX77 bluetooth digital still camera - i'd love to get these two working together! ;-)
But language wise, will I be able to use it okay do you think? will i be able to use AvantGo and all my existing software fine on it?
RE: im going to japan next month - should i buy one ?
RE: im going to japan next month - should i buy one ?
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Treo 90 replacement!
I love my Treo 90, but this is SO tempting, especially if the battery life is pretty good.
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