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RE: wireless gaming
It's a bit expensive when compared to the GameBoy SP though... and the GameBoy Advance 2 is not far away... so it's going to be tough for Tapwave, but the very best of luck to them.
No more UX
RE: wireless gaming
One Palm to rule them all!
-Sniffer
RE: wireless gaming
Why would you need a T|E? This Zodiac thingie wouldn't look that ridiculous in the office. (at least I think)
At any rate, the Z71 is toast.
More pics here
http://goodthatway.com/news_arc/?id=72
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RE: More pics here
Why get the 128MB model?
I could see the argument if the Zodiac only had one SDIO slot, since you might want to keep it free for Wi-Fi or something else, but since it has two SDIO slots, I'd imagine that most would be using one of them for memory anyway.
The only other thought would be if the 128MB model actually runs apps directly within that memory, but I don't think that's the case.
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RE: Why get the 128MB model?
RE: Why get the 128MB model?
Tapwave indicated downloadable games in addition to SD games would be available. Even if not, 128 mb would allow more room for other Palm programs I don't have space for now.
-Kevin Crossman
RE: Why get the 128MB model?
Yes, but as I said, for that $100 price difference you could have a 32MB device + 256MB storage card and still have money left over.
Scott
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RE: Why get the 128MB model?
RE: Why get the 128MB model?
RE: Why get the 128MB model?
RE: Why get the 128MB model?
1.) There is no such thing as too much RAM.
2.) While it does have dual SDIO slots, it sounds like most games will be on SD cards, and if you want to play on a network, you may want a 802.11 card in the other slot. In this scenario, both slots would be used up already.
3.) It is faster to access applications in internal memory than on the card, and apps accessed from the card still need to be loaded into RAM. In any of these scenarios, more RAM is a good idea, especially with apps and games growing in size lately.
4.) Did I mention that there's no such thing as too much RAM?
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RE: Why get the 128MB model?
RE: Why get the 128MB model?
Dynamic Heap Allocation.
I assume OS 6 has a 'real' file system, although I think the Run in Place OS5 model works well - when apps support SD cards .... and many still fail to check the SD card for Data files meaning PowerRun is required. If OS 6 needs it then dynamic Ramdisk (like the UX but userdefinable) would be neat.
Something like the Zodiac 128 I would like to Have 16Mb heap for Netfront, 32Mb for Apps / runspace and the rest for MP3's and MPEG 4 video.
I wonder if one of our resident developers can tell us if the OS could be hacked in 5 to do this sort of thing? One of the reasons I havent grabbed a TT2 is that I would like to run a Netfront browser which requires at least 5Mb, ideally more, or Heap Ram.
Edward Green
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RE: Why get the 128MB model?
RE: Why get the 128MB model?
"Life is a Cookie"
Palm Universal Connector?
This seems like a great replacement for just the PDA, games aside, but only if it allowed me to leverage the UC accessories I already own.
RE: Palm Universal Connector?
RE: Palm Universal Connector?
The big one for me would be support for the XT keyboard. Using this device in landscape mode with a full-size keyboard would be great for taking notes, word processing, etc.
Beyond that, even just support for existing sync cables, etc. would have made it worthwhile.
Scott
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RE: Palm Universal Connector?
RE: Palm Universal Connector?
But, I wonder too. Where are the blue tooth ANYTHINGS? I would not pay 10 cents extra for a blue tooth PDA right now.
Now that was just plain mean - apologize to Bluetoothless.
You hurt Bluetoothless' feelings.
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RE: Palm Universal Connector?
I've experienced nothing but headaches and hollow promises at trying to ever do anything with BT aside from a simple T|T and T68 pairing.
Bluetoothless Vs. Bob
- The President
Bluetooth is very good for making copies of my 8-tracks onto my Digital Compact Cassettes. Studies by Dr. Rube Goldberg of MIT in the mid-1990s also showed Bluetooth has enormous potential as a method of controlling home entertainment devices like televisions. Unfoutunately, until the price of Bluetooth PDA + Bluetooth card + Bluetooth receiver = the $10 price of a universal remote it was concluded that the devices would never achieve market acceptance.
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nice
People wanted dual slots but while Sony offers compact flash in some models, it's in a half hearted way. And we all know what happened to Handera. And 128 megs? wow. I don't know why Sony still is so stingy with the memory.
Bluetooth is standard the way it should be.
and last but not least: real games! no more puzzle games originally designed for Palm V's!
And amazingly it looks very Palm-like so yes, you can take it to a business meeting to check out your spreadsheets. I bet a lot of people will buy it just for that
RE: nice
RE: But When Its Released....
A Palm in one hand is worth 2 PocketPCs
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-Steve B.
RE: nice
I suspect they already have plans for a future device with built-in WiFi, though...everyone knows it will be everywhere in the future (not just Starbucks, Airports, and McD's)
RE: nice
In case you weren't aware, the SDIO Wi-Fi card is out now. See:
http://goodthatway.com/news_arc/?id=71
However, Palm OS5 support is still "forthcoming."
Scott
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RE: nice
You do realize that this is coming out within about a month, right? The only other Palm OS devices that are out (or coming soon) that have similar specs are the much higher priced Sony UX40/UX50 and the palmOne TT3. The Sonys have some nice advantages such as a camera (though not great quality), the thumbboard, and built-in Wi-Fi (on the UX50) but, as I said, is a lot more expensive and doesn't support portrait mode. The TT3 is very nice as well, but looks like it will probably offer a bit less than the Zodiac at a somewhat higher price. Its main advantage is the more compact size.
Scott
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RE: nice
arielb
That was the best recap of the situation of the Zodiac and it's competition I have read anywhere in hundreds of post on all sorts of sites. Well said.
RE: nice
RE: nice
RE: Where is the video
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Support for Portrait Mode?
Scott
RE: Support for Portrait Mode?
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RE: Support for Portrait Mode?
$399 for 128 MB RAM? Sony and Palm should be embarassed...
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RE: $399 for 128 MB RAM? Sony and Palm should be embarassed...
Woah
128MB, VG 480x320, nifty landscape mode, 3D acceleration, POS 5.2, DUAL SDIO for $399?
Where do I send the cheque?
Sounds good, but I'll believe it when I see it...
But if they spent the $$$ needed to build it well, Tapwave will probably end up selling a lot of these PDAs to power users that are tired of waiting for a dual slot, 320 x 480 device with reasonable memory from
Palm/Sony.
No Palm should be selling with less than 32 MB RAM these days. Pocket PC is just going to keep chipping away at Palm's lead and failing to keep up with the PPC hardware specs doesn't help Palm's cause.
It's unfortunate that HandEra couldn't have contracted out to Sony to build a high quality, compact, 320 x 480, CF/SD PDA with 64 - 128 MB RAM in an IBM black metal case for business and power users. It's hard to imagine a simple configuration like that not doing well. But then again, Palm spent several years engineering their brilliant Claudia Schiffer Palms and those tanked, so maybe consumers are just not very intelligent.
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Where is Sony?!
... so where is Sony with a "T770"?!!? (Dammit, I am addicted to the JogDial!)
The Zod looks wicked -- but with that button layout, I think trying to use it in portrait mode will be awkward -- like the CLUX would be.
RE: Where is Sony?!
HA HA! Now you know why I don't want the T3 either. The slider sucsk, IMO. And it lacks a flip cover.
I agree with you on the Zodiac's akward button layout. I plan on holding out a bit longer until we know more about the Zodiac, and I'd like to see what PalmOne and Sony have up their sleeves.
By the way, you can see a nice close up pic of the Zodiac in the latest issue of Wired (page 83). Ignore the Corel Porn ad on the preceding page. Jesus, who is their ad firm?
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RE: My thoughts
btw i really wonder where the terms HHCO and TCHHO do come from. did you make them up yourself?
RE: My thoughts
Size? Specs?
Universal Connector would be nice so I can connect a Zodiac to cellphone cable.
Will the 128MB act as normal RAM memory or like storage memory?
I assume this uses Graffitti 2?
Is the Palm OS upgradeable?
Is the firmware upgradeable?
Will this sync with a Macintosh? (hey, the Sonys don't out of the box)
Where the heck does the sylus go?
RE: Size? Specs?
I assume it has a vibrate alarm since it has force-feedback type effects. A light indicator?
RE: Size? Specs?
Not your father's PalmPilot
I swear this is going to hit a bipolar distrubition with boho artist types one one end and hugely creative, professional individuals on the other side. What I don't see is this hitting the straight laced and pinstriped corporate enviroment. That has been the bread and butter of the Palm OS market so far.
In a way, it is an "Apple-ized" Palm OS device. All that is missing is a matte white finish and the Apple logo if you ask me. Who knows, this design may have been passed over by Steve and company and ended up purchased by Tapwave.
In my opinion, it is a winner but the demographics are going to be untraditional to say the least.
RE: Not your father's PalmPilot
Very funny - SF Bay Area residents probably won't soon forget the serial killer who called himself the Zodiac. But that Zodiac wasn't trademarked. Zodiac is also the brand of a rubber inflatable boat (OK, Hypalon...). How'd Tapwave get it?
The PDA one looks great and if it's as rumored will only add positively to the the PalmOS hardware range of gadgets.
RE: Not your father's PalmPilot
They can use it because both products are in two very different markets, so confusion would be very unlikely. This is the same reason that Life cereal and Life magazine can co-exist, along with the GMC Sonoma and Sonoma jeans.
RE: Not your father's PalmPilot
Like the Palm Pilot and the Pilot Pen... yeah, right.
-Kevin Crossman
RE: Not your father's PalmPilot
"if you can't beat 'em join 'em!"
RE: Not your father's PalmPilot
I use my PC for Online Games, Internet and Web Publishing.
I ude my Zodiac for MP Games, Internet, Mp3's, and time Management.
Sounds good to me.
Edward Green
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RE: Not your father's PalmPilot
what was it supposed to run? pleae don't tell me you are not aware of the fact that zodiac will have 25+ titles specifically designed for it when it's launched(like tony hawk's pro skater, neverwinter nights etc., by activision, midway and infogrames, games that use the graphics processor and sound chip to the fullest extent).
RE: Not your father's PalmPilot
Well, there are exceptions to every rule, naturally. A company can also register a brand or trademark across different industries if they feel so inclined, and this is exactly what Pilot Pen had done. They had previously developed styli for the Newton, and so, this was their basis for suing 3Com.
"heheh maybe sue Cross Pen for stealing your name"
Hey, don't laugh, arielb. It's stuff like this that causes business headaches. For example, Sony, corporate giant that they are, has registered themselves all over the place. And so, when one man opened a self-named restaurant, he received a cease-and-desist order because his last name was... you guessed it, "Sony."
international OS version
A german version will help a lot to push sales over here.
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-Dirk Duester
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Nokia N-Gauge?
Oh, and has an international, multibillion dollar company pushing it with stand-up displays in gaming stores already (Electronics Boutique is where I saw my last one IIRC.) Not that it matters, really, but massive cash outlays for advertising and cross-merchandising have managed to keep Microsoft's second-rate (xbox/WinCE) products out of the gutter so far...
Oh, and no, there's no PDA software for it, but the OS is Symbian based - I imagine there might be a solution ready to port lying around somewhere.
RE: Nokia N-Gauge?
1. It's FUGLY! IMHO atleast ;)
2. The screen res is pathetic, The zodiacs is what, over double the screen res? And tapwave has several major game companies ready too.
3. It's ugly
4. You have to take the batt out ot put a card in :)
5. It's really ugly
6. For a phone, its horribly laid out.
7. Tons of people here,in the USA, won't switch from their current cdma carriers to ones that use gsm/gprs
And last, but not least;
8. It's Ugly :)
RE: Nokia N-Gauge?
Here's a review
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=new&aid=2233
RE: Nokia N-Gauge?
Zodiac on display in Boston...
Motorola has also developed a 2nd generation of the iMX processor that the Zodiac uses, Tapwave is said to be evaluating it, so very possible that a new improved Zodiac will be out next year.
RE: Zodiac on display in Boston...
Zodiac Processor
It also pains me to hear about Motorola's "next generation" of this processor already...
Part of me wants to wait for a refined i.MX 400mHz processor, but something tells me that I should SUPPORT Tapwave for making such an awesome device and buy now... lest they won't make the money necessary to create the "next Zodiac".
Anyone: please advise on the capability of the Zodiac's processor... is it "just enough" or a "frigging rocket" for Palm 5.x apps and foreseeable 480x320 res gaming?
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wireless gaming
How popular do you think this will become? Could you save your settings from one game played to another to pick up where you left off with the other head to head you did? Never knowing who you are playing against on the bus. :-)
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