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RE: are you reading this, palmOne?
PalmOne needs to take a better look at QC.
I've traded in three different T3's
#1 fried my SD card
#2 had a broken slider
#3 has a dim yellow display
UGH!!!! If #4's a lemon, I'll wait for the zodiac to be released.
RE: are you reading this, palmOne?
Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T3
Motorola StarTAC -> Ericsson T28m -> Ericsson T39m -> Ericsson T68m -> Ericsson T610
Underclocking intentional?
RE: Underclocking intentional?
RE: Underclocking intentional?
This is not underclocking
RE: Underclocking intentional?
As I understand it the interrupts being generated are constant once they start thus the CPU is constantly working instead of slowing down when you are not actually doing anything with the PDA. The constant CPU activity reduces battery life.
In the Spirit of Umoja,
Ronin
RE: Underclocking intentional?
Edward Green
--
http://www.khite.co.uk
RE: Underclocking intentional?
That would be logical, and seems to be shown in the battery life after the optimizer is installed. I've had two hours of runtime including email and web surfing with the keyboard driver active, and it's still at 74%. I take care of my batteries and usually get a bit better than average life, but this is appears to be a good improvement.
That's more like it :)
Service Pack
Sales have been undermined
I can accept bugs in new products, that is not the issue. You would be hard pressed to name very many (or any?) leading edge products like this with no bugs. For me, the telling issue is that there is, and it seems never will be, any offical acknowledgement of the T3 issues by Palm. All the information the general public has is through third parties. That is unacceptable, at least to this potential buyer.
RE: Service Pack
Are you listening, Bradley, et al?
RE: Service Pack
Have to agree. The only major issue for me was having to keep a 128MB card in my wallet for backups until the issue is formally resolved (which this patch does NOT fix, BTW). But having a problem with a bleeding edge device is nothing compared to the perception of turning your back on the users.
RE: Service Pack - Backups to Card OK?
Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
I've corresponded with several other users experiencing similar problems and we all feel it's somehow tied into Aeroplayer/Real/Pocket Tunes when they access the sound hardware, but usually solved with a reset. I used to think Aeroplayer's background playback was the culprit but I still have to reset my T2 after every mp3 playback to ensure I can record a voice memo.
Just this morning, I tried to record a long-winded reading of some very important information and missed all of it! I double checked that I was recording to ram instead of my Sandisk SD but I forgot to reset my T2 before hitting record. The screen said "recording" and the LED flashed but nothing was actually captured. I almost throw my T2 down in disgust after being foiled again. Looks like I'm off to buy an Olympus microcassette recorder today...
For the record, that puts two, possibly three problems (voice memo, CPU slowdown, SD corruption)all stemming from sound hardware functions. I'm not even going to begin to get into the TT1/TT2/Z71 audio playback woes from a year ago. Palm had better get their act together PRONTO and start addressing these issues!
RE: Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
Also I found that the sound quality for playing back MP3 on my T2 is not so good. At high pitch levels the voices appear to crack. I have been wondering if that's the problem with AeroPlayer's "volume overdrive" function. I don't find the same problem listening to the same songs on Sony NX70V or even my cheap Acer PocketPC. So can't help wondering if that's due to the slower processing capability of the TI chip used on T2.
Too many unknowns ...
RE: Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
RE: Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
He was scared to use an SD card to record his voice memos to, so he's had extensive use of recording to main RAM and still has the lock-ups...
If this insanely aggravating little bug had been fixed, I'd have seriously considered getting a T3 but the SD corruption combined with the other two smaller bugs are just too many for comfort.
RE: Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
RE: Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C37354766
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1A351766
There are many, many more threads on this if you search for them in the T|T forums. It was a big discussion around the time of the T2's release.
RE: Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
RE: Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
If you have the Palm issued Security patch update installed, delete it and see if that solves your problem. It did for me.
Bruno33
RE: Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
I've got to think it's a caused by Aeroplayer/Real Player accessing the T's audio hardware. The odd thing is that Aerodrome Software's usually responsive technical support is rather silent on the issue, as is Palm. The only way I can be guaranteed to get a stable voice memo recording session is to reset my Palm right before I begin recording and to avoid audio-playing apps/games as much as possible.
RE: Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
See here for more details & the cure:
http://t3optimizer.mobilevoodoo.com/
RE: Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
It's the one lingering issue I've been experiencing with both T's so far...I'd really like to see the updated Voice Memo app found on the T3 released for the older units, as it appears that the bugs have been squashed (at least for voice memo recording) on the T3.
RE: Don't forget the lingering, *VERY* annoying voice memo bug!
memo!! when i press RECORD form the side button or from the screen, it doesnt record!! but
it showns on the screen the red dot button as if it is recording , but the seconds which
shows the time recorded stays on zero!! i tried to pause, in fact i tried al the
possibilities, but still doesnt record! the only way i could record again is to RESET the
T2!! after a reset, it records few times , then the problem appears again! So i have to
reset again!! what could be the problem!!?? So Now I did the following: uninstalled, then
reinstalled Realone.I did a hard Reset.But the problem still occur!Sometimes when the
problem is present, I try to change any files category in voice Memo, then if I try to
record , it will work sometime!!This is strange!Could it be a problem in the voice Memo
itself?Can you send me a newer version of Voice Memo by Email?
Note: I happen to be aware now that this problem exist with many users of T2!!!!(note:when
i reset. it deletes the reminders ( the snoozed alarms) !!! is this normal ) Waiting for
your feedback!
Bad PR
I expect an "official" press release w/i a month. Otherwise the nokia communicator is starting to look very promising.
RE: Bad PR
RE: Bad PR
Just to be more clear, maybe the current solution to the problem is not perfect. They can say that, but since there are other more fatal issues to deal w/ this is a good tmp solution. Again they should give the develops credit for a quick patch so pple can use their pda at normal speed.
Think about all the money they dump trying to grow a strong community... praise is FREE. Give it where it's due.
RE: Bad PR
RE: Bad PR
Do you email Palm saying "Hi this is Ryan from PIC and I have a question" or do you use a personal e-mail addy and act like you're a regular Joe end-user?
I'd be curious to see if they escalate someone like you who could potentially make a bigger stink out of a problem than the average Joe could/would want to.
RE: Bad PR
What I would like the next question you ask of Palm to be is why nothing, absolutely nothing, appears on their web site concerning any of these issues?
RE: Bad PR
Random question: Would palm issue a software fix and then try to correct the hardware on future devices? If so, could anyone speculate, based on time to develop a fix and inventory of existing units, how long it would take for the fixed units to hit the street?
RE: Bad PR
I mean, hell, even if you send people a free 32MB SD card, that'd be *something*. In Japan, top-level execs visit the homes of people who have been damaged (even where, say, a plane has crashed and killed a family member!) and prostate themselves in abject apology. Far fewer lawsuits. People understand that These Things Happen and appreciate contrition.
What they *don't* appreciate, palmOne Legal Department, is silence and stonewalling!
RE: Bad PR
Legal issues are probably one factor keeping this situation under wraps. It's one thing to say that they may replace SD cards, but what about all the damage done to people's data? How do you put a price on that?
RE: Bad PR - Just a Thought
This may (or may not) be a possible reason for Palm's lack of response lately.
RE: Bad PR
The following is an outlandish, but still within the realm of possibility:
What *IF* Palm's trying to retool/fix things on the fly and is going to release a "fixed" T3 in the next month or two that is identical in every way to the current one OTHER than:
1. Having the bug(s) squashed (at least the SD one, which seems more deadly and hardware-related than the patchable CPU/voice memo ones)
2. Having the new PalmOne logo instead of the old classic blue Palm logo. It may have revised box artwork as well.
Palm would then issue a statement at the same time the refreshed T3 is announced and offer either a trade-in/swap for all of the existing T3s (for a small fee) or a downloadable/flashable update for those that don't want to send their T3s in....with a free copy of SimCity thrown in to placate everyone ;-)
RE: Bad PR
Another set of reasons why palmOne might be silent:
1) It might not be their legal liability
2) It might be a bug from PalmSource
3) It might be a faulty component from a supplier
4) It might be faulty assembly at the plant
If it's any of these, palmOne would have to negotiate with any one of those for reparations to their (palmOne's) customers.
In instances such as these, it's *good* to have a Legal Department.
RE: Bad PR
Yeah! This gets MY vote. I'd be keeping mine, as it has been great in every other way, but I'd sure like an OS5 version of SimCity.
RE: Bad PR
Hasn't PalmONe heard of a *beta program*? This kind of thing could be stopped with an effective external beta program, of real world users, in real world situations. Moreover they're bound by NDA, problems, while being fixed, don't wreak havok with your company image.
Cra*p like this is the last thing I need when I'm pitching to enterprises for a PDA project, when they're wavering on the PPC/PalmOS fence.
It's hard enough with the hardware differences compared to HP at the moment.
RE: Bad PR
The Lexus Way
“The Lexus LS400 was a phenomenal success for the first four or five months,” Clements says. “One of the articles said that the Lexus had gone ‘from a question mark to a benchmark.’ That helped dispel the notion that the Japanese couldn’t build a genuine luxury car and luxury channel. But then we ran into a quality problem – our first recall. At that time the people here elected to do something that no one else had ever done before. They had a massive recall, went out and picked up every customer’s car, made the repair, washed every car and then gave every owner a gift. Nobody had ever done that before – taken a recall and turned it into an opportunity to build customer loyalty. And what it did was give our dealers a level of authenticity – it showed that we were for real, that we meant it when we said we are all about a superb customer experience. So out of that initial adversity, we were very fortunate.”
http://www.sellingpower.com/article/display.asp?coverStory=TRUE&aid=SP1710207&pageTitle=
RE: The Lexus Way
Pretend they are going to do the right thing and stop shipping the Tł, pay for every crispy SD card and send users fresh, fixed units. How much do you think this would cost? Factor in loss of new sales, cost of store returns, bad PR from a recall (if spun negatively by reporters), hardware costs (new Tł + SD cards), and shipping (both ways). Each return could easily cost $200 - $300. How many Tł have been sold so far and how many are sitting in stores right now?
Then factor in the biggest threat: the inevitable lawsuits. What are the odds that there is going to be another class action suit filed over this? Suddenly the recall goes from costing a few million to potentially killing the company. Palm's lawyers are rightfully preparing how to handle responding to problems while operating in such a litigious environment.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: Bad PR
Or they are busy drafting the potential lawsuit against the true culprit (assembly, component manufacturer, etc).
Palm's quality control problems
Face it, Palm's quality has nose-dived since they moved production to China, Hungary, etc. Yes, we know why they did it, but this has come back to haunt them. Bring production back to the USA, or at least get a better manufacturer. I've been waiting to buy a Treo 600, but now after reading about a number of quality control issues users have had with the Mexico-made Treos (see the discussion area at Treocentral for a incredibly active group the makes PIC look like a morgue - http://discussion.treocentral.com/f58/s) I'm not sure I'll bite until everything's fixed. I'll take a second look at Samsung, but the Treo is a much nicer design.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: Bad PR - not noticed on the street?
We all know that men only read the instructions after there is a problem (and some not even then!)so Palm should have designed their install CD to bring up all new facts before allowing any new T3 to HotSync to an existing user name - even to the point of automatically renaming all existing Palm user data directories to allow the T3 to get a clean install on the 1st HotSync.
These T3 problems have been made by a Palm US project manager not putting enough thought into the initial setup design and another US Palm OS designer who let the T3 SlowBug stay in his/her teams code.
I have had problems as an early buyer of every Palm OS device from both Sony & Palm. When you look at the Palm device update software page nearly all Palm devices have some sort of FileManager update listed - but the recent ones are disguised by different naming.
I just wish Palm would hurry up and get the T3 software update out now!
As for the Bad PR? I have met only 1 shop owner that has noticed any noise on the internet about T3 problems and it has not slowed his sales. Four other stores near my work with T3's on their shelves had no idea there were any issues with the T3 and the average Joe buying one is simillarly ignorant.
Quirks? QUIRKS?
This is the kind of stuff that made me buy and love a Clie'.
Way to handle your flagship product, Palmone.
Opinions on quality
Boogaboo
RE: Quirks? QUIRKS?
Each nicely out of the warranty period.
When I bought my PEG-SJ33, I decided I would try another company, and it turned out to be Sony.
It's only been since the spring that I've had my SJ33, but so far it's been a solid performer.
(Considering it's "old school")
When it comes time to buy an OS 5 or 6 machine, we'll have to see, but for now I'm REALLY glad I made the switch.
RE: Quirks? QUIRKS?
RE: Quirks? QUIRKS?
My Second PDA- A Handspring Visor, is also working for the person I gave it to.
My third PDA- A Handspring Prism, started having problems with stylus/touchscreen recognition after 6 months. Of course, it was an early prototype, so I can't really call that a quality issue.
My fourth PDA- A Sony Clie was just fine until one day my 3-yr old walks into my office, and says "Look daddy! I gave your 'puter a bath, and it's all clean now!" What could I say to that? (I cried later)
Overall, I've been happy with my devices, and I intended to buy a T3 this month, but now I will wait until I hear something conclusive on the SD card issue.
RE: Quirks? QUIRKS?
Just as well... it had a quirk of crashing when loading MP3 software ;)
RE: Quirks? QUIRKS?
Life is a great adventure or nothing.
RE: Quirks? QUIRKS?
It has changed hands so may times that I've lost track of it.
That was Zen, this is now?
PalmOne Acknowledge SD Card Problem
=============
I sent an email to PalmOne Australia on the SD card issue, directly asking them whether Palm recommended I don't use my SD cards until this issue is resolved. This is their response:
"With regard to your recent email, palmOne is currently aware of this issue and we have escalated this case to our US engineers. Once we have a suitable resolution, we will update you again.
In the meantime, we advise you not to insert any SD card into the slot till the patch file is released. You may want to check on our website at http://www.palmone.com/us/support/downloads/ regularly for any updates."
Warmest Regards,
Sharifah (Ms)
palmOne Technical Support Asia Pacific Region
=============
Straight from the horses mouth...
JLM.
RE: PalmOne Acknowledge SD Card Problem
You just need my new, patented, and Not Too Expensive, "SD Condom"(TM)!
Send $9.99 to: palmOne Hates You, POB 666, Hell Freezes Over, Wisconsin, 0000-000.
Act now and get a **free** "True Palmists Don't *Need* External Storage" button that you can wear to delight your friends!
RE: PalmOne Acknowledge SD Card Problem
If you dont use an SD card you cant use all the features of the T3.
Zlauncher 3.62b, Tungsten TT3.
RE: PalmOne Acknowledge SD Card Problem
Hell, not only can you then insert an SD card into your T3 without worry, you can also put it inside a PPC and not worry about getting any unsightly lesions!!
Buy now for just $9.95 -- oh, and $4.95 postage and handling!
The price goes up once palmOne solves this problem, so act now!
RE: PalmOne Acknowledge SD Card Problem
RE: PalmOne Acknowledge SD Card Problem
SD Card Issue
=============
Palm engineering is currently investigating the issue. In the meantime,
kindly supply us the serial number of the SD Card.
Warmest Regards,
Sharifah(Ms)
Palm Technical Support Asia Pacific Region
I would like to say that since my friendly retailer (Portables Plus here in Wellington NZ) has replaced 2 SD cards and now given me a SimpleTech (Panasonic) SD256 card I have had 2 weeks of T3ing without card problems including using BackupBuddy VFS except I wont say it as it may bring bad luck...
The path to problem free card usage has been many hard resets and installing software in small doses with resets and backup tests between each installation
Things went better when AvantGo was left off even though the T3 was fast enough (with T3 Optimiser) to let avantGo pages snap onto the screen instead of the T1 dribble.
Voice Memo v1.2 is working fine after playing MP3 on Pocket Tunes
PALM SUPPORT IS CRAP
I phoned Palm Technical Support Asia Pacific Region about my T3 Slowdown yesterday and the tech had never heard of it and went away to discuss it with his boss who also claimed no knowledge yet I had filled in the PalmUS support complaint on that topic a week ago and the US has not passed any info to the rest of the world
RE: PalmOne Acknowledge SD Card Problem
SUDS Anybody?
RE: SUDS Anybody?
JLM
RE: SUDS Anybody?
Whaaa?
No sir, remember it, and remember it well.
Hints of a fix soon
RE: Hints of a fix soon
What Happened During Beta Testing???
RE: What Happened During Beta Testing???
Not that this is a good excuse or anything, but that is often what happens.
RE: What Happened During Beta Testing???
RE: What Happened During Beta Testing???
RE: What Happened During Beta... Testing???
Other than that, when the janitor borrowed it, he said it was okay too.
So lay off Palm, they have more VPs to hire now to correct things.
RE: What Happened During Beta Testing???
(Don't get me started... 32K Memos with a Clipboard that *still* craps out with a buffer measured in *characters*! Such thinking! Someone must be flogged!)
RE: What Happened During Beta Testing???
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: What Happened During Beta Testing???
What about the IR bug ??
On my laptop (A Toshiba Satellite running XP Pro) I've been able to connect via IR only one time over 30 tries ( I guess the planet alignement and the moon phase was favorable that time). If I try with my T|T, I connect every single time.
With XP, if the OS doesn't "see" the other port, it's impossible to transfer files (one way or another). After a couple of post on the Forum Discussion board, everybody seems to have more or less problems doing their IR syncing
I really enjoyed the possibility of exchanging files between my Palm and my computer quickly without hotsyncing, now it's almost impossible. I thought new versions of OS / Hardware were supposed to simplify things, not complicated them.
- Solo
RE: What about the IR bug ??
Didn't really think about it, but now that you metion it....
I've got a sd-slot in my laptop, so that probably kept me from thinking......
D
RE: What about the IR bug ?? - try a hard reset?
My t3 seems to be working smoothly after many hard resets and loading all software fresh and re-entering reg keys etc. (after a nightmare 20 days of resets & data loss)
I know that Palm Support always annoys me by saying "do a hard reset" but give it a go and check the IR before loading any software & data.
To stop HotSync putting problem files back on your T3 ram go to your HotSync Owner named folder and copy the Backup Directory somewhere else such as to your Archive directory.
After your T3 is tested to be still behaving - load the T3 update files first such as T3 Optimiser, ATPhoneDriver.prc, ATPhoneDriver_enUS.prc, AppSlipRotate.prc, StatusBarLib.prc and I load my Graffiti 1 files: Graffiti Library.prc & Graffiti Library_enUS.prc (or your own language versions)
Now load your Palm new version software (WebPro+Doc2Go+Kinoma etc)leaving all the old versions wasting space in ROM + load your 3rd party software.
Good Luck
RE: What about the IR bug ??
RE: What about the IR bug ??
I dunno how that topic deviated into a "clean install thing". I did a clean install, and i hard resetted before doing the fresh install, and I have a SD card reader incorporated into my laptop. All my SD cards are Panasonic, so no problem with the SD card bug.
Don't get me wrong, the T3 is an incredible piece of hardware, well in advance of the T1 I owned since last year. But someone should explain to me why 3 ESSENTIALS FEATURES are not included with the T3.
1. BToggle Pro - I use a lot of Bluetooth with my phone (Siemens S56, way better than the crappy SE T68i, at least in North America). You can increase your battery life by at least 20 % without ever knowing about it. 10 seconds to configure it, a must if you use Bluetooth.
2. A underclocking utility.- There's 2 utilities that does that on the market now. I understand they don't want to overclock the T3, but why not let us underclock selectively wich app we prefer ? For my part, except for AvantGo / Web Pro, AcidImage, MMPLayer and Mapopolis, I can underclock all of the other apps. PTunes can play almost twice as long underclocked without any noticable difference.
3. Clip Pro, you mentionned it before, we need at least 64k copying possibility.
So figure around an extra $40 to have the T3 like it should have been in the box.
- Solo
RE: What about Avant Go?
My T3 is more stable (but not perfect) with Avant Go removed.
MobileVoodoo makes Power48
Sony...watching, waiting they will strike!
"I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!" Airplane
RE: Sony...watching, waiting they will strike!
PDAs aren't some little quirky thing anymore, they are real, and big biz.
Palmone is giving an excellent impression of the wounded water buffalo.
Of course the predators and scavengers are watching.
RE: Sony...watching, waiting they will strike!
"I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!" Airplane
RE: Sony...watching, waiting they will strike!
Of course the predators and scavengers are watching.
Thanks to you, I now can't get the image of a lumbering, bleeding buffalo stumbling around on the plains. Very dramatic. That Water Buffalo's wounds appear to be self-inflicted. Sabotage? Or Stupidity? The PDA Coroner may know.
How will the water buffalo survive? Sony to the rescue.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: Sony...watching, waiting they will strike!
I didn't mean to turn this into Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.
;)
RE: Sony...watching, waiting they will strike!
Marlin Perkins R.I.P.
1905 - 1986
(but still listed as a Vice President at Palm)
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
Has anyone had a problem with the T3 Photo v1.1.0.20
With the Photo conduit set to Do Nothing there is no more problem
So...do I wait?
Has anyone written palmone asking for a time frame? I sure hope that this update (if it exists) is coming really soon...
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God said, "Let there be the greatest enhancement to Mobile Productivity" and there was PalmOne.
RE: So...do I wait?
How many people here would still recommend a Tł to a family member? Word of mouth is going to hurt Palm for a long time, even after this is resolved.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: So...do I wait?
Makes a nice, light snack.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: So...do I wait?
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God said, "Let there be the greatest enhancement to Mobile Productivity" and there was PalmOne.
RE: So...do I wait? - buy the T3 now & find the Readme file
until I discovered this file hidden in the English/Helpnote/ directory of my International T3 CD:
Palm(TM) Tungsten(TM) T3 Handheld
Readme File
July 2, 2003
---------------------------------------------------
Congratulations on your purchase of Palm Tungsten T3.
This Readme file contains important information about your Palm Tungsten T3 handheld and Palm Desktop software v4.1, including troubleshooting and compatibility issues for this release.
> One of the items listed is:
UPGRADING FROM A PALM TUNGSTEN T or TUNGSTEN T2
-----------------------------------------------
Some applications that you may have installed in RAM are built into the ROM of your Tungsten T3. Examples include:Palm Photos, VersaMail, Phone Link, Dialer, SMS, DataViz Documents To Go, RealOne Mobile Player and Kinoma Player.
To avoid duplicate applications, and to ensure you are
using the latest versions, it is recommended you create
a new user profile, or delete these applications from your existing user profile before upgrading to Tungsten T3.
DID YOU READ THAT?
1/ I am annoyed it was so well hidden and the question "Are you upgrading from an existing Palm" should be built in to the install CD bringing these facts up before installing and doing that 1st T3 HotSync.
2/ As I have many 3rd party software programs registered to my HotSync ID I kept the same name but removed all trace of the T|T desktop and backup files (renamed the Palm data directories and deleted all Registry entries )
3/ The a68K file for SlotDrvrPnpsApp from the T|T is put on the T3 when doing an initial install of backed-up T|T files - does this cause a problem with the card?
4/ The long story is after a clean T3 install and a SimpleTech (Panasonic) SD256 card I have had NO card problems even using BackUpBuddy VFS v2.04 for sheduled backup. (with the same T3)
I have not heard of any "First Palm" T3 buyers having any issues with Cards (just the Slowdown) and they are selling well at all the palm resellers in my area with zero warranty replacements reported. (unlike the local Sony shop)
Not so ugly here in NZ
RE: So...do I wait?
1/ Palm is selling the T3 at the same price as other resellers so Palm has plenty of margin to fit in a sweetener
2/ Who uses 32meg cards these days? Palm are probably clearing them out as 256Mb is todays standard card.
Support your local reseller
RE: So...do I wait?
I had my suspicions about the SlotDrvrPnpsApp file as well. Mine was installed, I suspect, when I installed the File Manager update (SD-related) on my m515.
One possibly-silly question: is the file still there on your T3?
Also, have you tested heavy read-writes on any Sandisk cards thereafter?
Thanks.
RE: So...do I wait?
= Yes with a different creation date
Also, have you tested heavy read-writes on any Sandisk cards thereafter?
= Not SanDisk as I am now using Panasonic SD256 - have cleared the BackupBuddy VFS "Backup" directory and had it do a complete backup of all 400 files in Ram (about 25Mb) to the Panasonic card with no problem
+ have copied the "Tungsten T3 Handbook" pdf (4.7Mb from Ram to card & back) plus reads from card OK
Another issue with my (now dead) SanDisk SD256 cards was the formatting - one was Fat32 and the other RAW (ex Camera)- Any SD cards used in the T3 should be Fat16 and formatted in your T3 first.
cheers
John
RE: So...do I wait?
I've been using a Kingston 128 Mb from Japan, another one from Taiwan, and a Sandisk 32Mb also from Taiwan... all three used on an M515.
Would you suggest that I back-up all of them using an SD-card reader before formatting them again on a new T3?
Thanks again mate!
RE: So...do I wait? - NO!
Regarding SanDisk I have an old San Disk MMC64Mb that works fine in the T3 after formatting
RE: So...do I wait?
RE: So...do I wait?
RE: So...do I wait?
Mind you, this doesn't rule out third-party software from trying to be "helpful" by providing a SlotDriver file... In my case, the Veo Photo Traveller software was supplying a SlotDriverSDIO file that seemed to be the culprit. I fried two SD cards before finding and thwacking this particular file.
Since doing that, I have had NO SD card problems in my T3. Further, my wife's T3, which was brand new (and therefore not restored from any previous configuration), has also had no problems. I have actually run extensive stress tests on both devices, copying 50Mb files back and forth, and all of my cards remain completely functional.
Now, I can't guarantee that this is the same as any else's problem, but it was definitely mine. As always, your mileage may vary.
Extra battery life
Still waiting on the formal fix for the SanDisk SD card issue though. My old 128MB Lexar is my backup card now, onto which a do a full backup twice a day with no problems. The SanDisk fails, so I don't bother. My wife's T3 has the 256MB Lexar which also works fine.
RE: Extra battery life
RE: Extra battery life
Now that those 30,000 extra interrupts per second have been quenched, I've seen a marked improvement in battery life. How about 6 hours and 20 minutes before the first low battery warning? That's almost 13 days for the 'average' user...
What PDA was this on? What do you mean and how do you do the 30,000 extra interrupt improvement?If this is for the T3 then this is the first life distance this long I've seen.
Deciding if I should buy a T3
T3 Underclocking
Frank Wilkinson U.K.
Where are Patches/Updates???
2) I found this forum today by mistake. What is the tiele of this forum section we are in now so I can get back to messages to read responses?
Deciding if I should buy a T3
T3 Quirks could be shipments of defective palm's
Tungsten T3
Palm Inc, is intentionally limiting usages of SD cards that are 2gbs and higher because they refuse to post an official, already developed by Palm, FAT32 driver. There IS NO limitation on the Tungsten T3, just a limitation in Palm's service and thinking that we should keep bying a new one every six months.
What is particularly bothersome is that Palm has lied to me specifically on their support replies and is lying to the general Tungsten T3 community why the FAT32 is not released.
Read the lying soap opera on their web site about how Palm "Can't test every SD card on the market" and that most of the SD cards are incompatible with the SD standard".
What is ironic about this total lie is that PALM NOW MARKETS A 2GB SECURE DIGITAL CARD !! Yep, the sell up on their web site.
It would take about ten minutes to take their existing FAT32 drivers and release a FAT32 drive on their web site for a quick upgrade.
I just really hope that ACCESS makes deals with other companies that will be innovative and support oriented, just like Palm used to be.
I would love to see the salary and bonues that Palm Inc senior management has rewarded themselves for raping the assests of Palm Inc and Palm Source before this.
Jon
get me out of the forums
RE: Tungsten T3
Only thing I never liked was that Palm didn't come up with an adequate durable hard case. I found one somewhere on line that has been incredibly rugged, compact, and lightweight, and half the price of the Palm case which seemed to be made out of tinfoil over plastic.
As for Palm's service, my experience has been quite good . . . I bought the extended warranty/service contract from Palm and have been very pleased with the assistance I've received on a few occasions including replacement once when Grafiti was no longer being recognized because the screen was worn.
I think getting rid of the T3 was like Volkswagen giving up the Beetle! Bad, bad move.
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