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RE: WHY!?
RE: WHY!?
OS5 means you have to buy a new device. OS5 also means development on only one platform.
Good for Palm, good for SanDisk.
RE: WHY!?
I don't think that's the case. OS 4 will continue to get less support until there are no new devices being announced with it. Even palmOne's $99 Zire 21 comes with OS 5 on an ARM processor, so it's not like you have to break the bank when it comes to ARM. $199 will get you a T|E with an SDIO slot that should be able to accept this card. You probably payed more for your current Palm than that.
>>the spokesperson claimed, a longer development time for palm os and remarked "hopefully yes" that the December release date was firm!
I'm curious as to exactly what they mean by 'longer development time' for Palm OS. Does it really take a full year to create a driver? It's probably an allusion to the real reason, whatever it may be. There's a conspiracy here!
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: WHY!?
Sandisk are on the take from M$.
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My cellphone has bluetooth, but my PDA doesn't.
RE: WHY!?
Developing a driver for Windows CE is a bit easier, as the model is well-established and more open. This is one disadvantage of the current versions of Palm OS -- as a smaller operating system, extensibility wasn't a goal, and hooking into the network layer is more difficult.
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: WHY!?
Making sense
I hear another delay announcement coming. $99 bucks...
Not to shine Sony's shoe, but the UX-50 sounds better and better each day.
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PDAs rule the world !
RE: Making sense
Just force me to look for the UX50. I'm still waiting the TT3 to be released in Hong Kong (early-Dec). Hope the rumored UX80 is a real thing and I would jump back to Sony.
RE: Making sense
Its most likely improved Camera, and perhaps Portrait mode. That will be enough to get many ppl who held off the UX-50 to get it.
Larger screen? Probably not, will drain batteries too much. Maybe they'll include the FONTS program to make the fonts bigger.
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PDAs rule the world !
The full Q&A
Q: Is there any particular reason having to do with
PalmOS that required more development time? Or was
the dev team simply tasked with Pocket PC development
first? And is the December date firm?
A: Yes, yes and hopefully yes.
RE: The full Q&A
Psion 5/Motorola StarTac -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V/Ericsson T39m -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T/Ericsson T68m -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T3/Ericsson T610
RE: The full Q&A
since I have hotspot in my home...
Zodiac will be my second PDA
palm version realone sucks!!!
no streaming audio support...
Tick tick tick...
Let's see... the hp iPaq 4xxx now has WiFi included. One market gone.
If Palm releases a WiFied TT4, there goes another market.
And if hp does a WiFied successor to the 22xx, there goes another market.
I doubt that the remaining markets -- lower-end Palms and PPCs -- would put out the extra $$$ for this SD. They'd either buy the units with WiFi included to keep their one SD slot free -- or not want to have/not need WiFi at all. And existing owners would ebay their units to get the WiFied models.
RE: Tick tick tick...
Having waited...and waited....to add wi-fi to my T3 with a small SD card....and waited some more....
I think I'll just go with a Treo600 for my complete wireless solution.
this sucks.
RE: Tick tick tick...
Not including the overpriced "C".
But you're right on one thing. As time goes by, there'll be more and more products with Wi-Fi built in, so the market for the late-arriving SD device will continually shrink. Of course, if the good folks at SD figure this out, they will eventually decide to kill development of the device, since the market is too small. Like the Dodo bird which flew in ever decreasing circles until it flew up its own butt.
RE: Tick tick tick...
Having a card that merely enables Wi-Fi access on OS5 Palms won't be enough, especially when the reduced battery life and numerous delays are factored into the equation.
RE: Tick tick tick...
RE: Tick tick tick...
The Treo600 is wonderful, but since you are not specifically looking for wi-fi (which the Treo does not have, AFAIK), you could just get a BT phone which would work very well with your current device.
RE: Tick tick tick...
Even now, you get a lot of MB on GPRS for $99.
Given the average upgrade time for a lot of Palm users and the strong possibility that the next Palm PDA will have integrated wifi, it's possible that Tungsten users won't even break even when comparing buying the SD-card to what it would cost to go wireless with GPRS.
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My cellphone has bluetooth, but my PDA doesn't.
RE: Tick tick tick...
1) Enfora Wireless Portfolio
vs
2) Sandisk WiFi SD
vs
3) Hagiwara WiFi MStick.
Hello Ryan!
RE:The death match we ALL want to see:
1) Enfora Wireless Portfolio
vs
2) Sandisk WiFi SD
vs
3) Hagiwara WiFi MStick.
vs
4) Michelle Cane
I'll put $50 on the Hagiwara WiFi MStick to wipe the mat with the three underpowered "contenders" in 10 seconds or less. I'd pay to see a cage match with these tools.
Supprised?
Sandisk also has cancelled many of it's Palm Ideas after stringing everyone along for months. This situation is no different. I expect that "After meeting with Palmsource, we've decided to delay the release of our Wi-Fi SD Card for OS6, due to new driver changes" will be heard before the "hopefully yes" December Deadline.
Mike Allwitt
Logic X Design, Inc Database Consulting
- Yeh, it's cool. Was it supposed to do that?
RE: Supprised?
I mean, HOW hard can it be to constantly keep screwing up a company's bread & butter products (SD cards) on a platform (Palm OS) that has probably done more than any single digicam line to hasten the spread of SD? It's not like SanDisk has gazillions of products/variations out there....just a couple of different sizes in a couple of different formats. I predict we'll keep seeing these cards delayed...until right before...the successor/upgrade to the T|C is released by Palm0ne.
By the time these cards/drivers are out, people will probably have either forgotten about wi-fi enabling their Palms and/or be scared off by the delays and the potential of drastically reduced battery life.
RE: Supprised?
If Palm would only produce a power to go unit with wi-fi built-in...
RE: Supprised?
RE: Supprised?
Burned by outsourced development overseas
It didn't work or now, they have a working executable with someone overseas trying to "reinterpet" the terms to get an extra $100,000 out of the deal.
In the meantime, a local WiFi wiz sits there laughing and screaming "I told you so!!" and someone at SanDisk is not returning phone calls since their bid was $25,000 higher than the "bargan" overseas.
These execs know about "bait and switch" on the car lot but can't see it when it walks into their office with deal too good to be true.
Again, in my opinion, outsourcing overseas is good for establish product support but not for groundbreaking developments like a Palm OS SD WiFi card.
RE: Burned by outsourced development overseas
OUTSOURCING: Putting your fellow citizens out of work, spinning into poverty, so they can't afford to buy the products foreigners are making for them at wages no American could ever survive on.
What's new?
RE: What's new?
Guess Palm is spelled S-A-N-D-I-S-K
Old news?
SanDisk...Those double-crossing bastards
In a Desolate Forest, an enchanted Palm-Powered Handheld is waiting to possess a helpless soul in the wake--The Palm-Powered Handheld's name is EURENZANNIG.
RE: SanDisk...Those double-crossing bastards
No worries here.
No problems at all.
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An armed society is a polite society.
RE: SanDisk...Those double-crossing bastards
Any other Manufaturers?
RE: Any other Manufaturers?
On a related note, where the heck are the OS5 Bluetooth card drivers? OS6 is going to be out in a matter of months-care to guess how long it'll take drivers to appear for that? Also, where is the "shorter" (ie non-protruding) BT card Toshiba teased us with many months ago-wasn't it supposed to be available for 3rd/4th quarter '03? So......for the forseeable future it's basically impossible to have a Palm that's equipped with dual wireless standards. No drivers for the T|C to use a BT card with and still no Wi-Fi SD card for T|T users. Sigh...
RE: Any other Manufaturers?
> guess how long it'll take drivers to appear for that?
Probably a lot less time. OS 6 should have a driver model that will allow any developer to write drivers for the OS.
RE: Any other Manufaturers?
I'm truely starting
RE: Any other Manufaturers?
Well, there's only one with VGA right now: the Toshi e800, and users have to bypass Toshi's lockout in order to get apps to run in VGA (and, hey, just like HandEra, certain apps run in the upper left corner when they can't scale to VGA!). I suspect hp will be the next with VGAed PPCs; they're aggressive (and beginning to make Sony look like pikers!).
OTOH, have you *seen* the size of VGAed text on that e800?! It's surprisingly small -- looks like 1/4th the usual size. I don't say this is bad; I was just surprised.
It also opens up the question of how PalmOS 6 will handle VGAed text...
Only Wi-Fi Card that Goes Both Ways
I write for a number of different Pocket PC and (now) Palm publications. This card was going to be the one that helped me keep my 1945 and T3 afloat for a while.
I just got the T3 not a week ago. I've had the 1945 for a matter of months. I'd like to have both these devices last me a while before I try to sell them.
I recently bought a Targus IR keyboard for the same reason: it works on both platforms.
I really hope that SanDisk can get this done. It will be nice to be able to get mail in real time via my T3 here at the office...
Kind Regards,
Christopher Spera
it's turtle speed
it says the card speed is too slow
300k?????!
http://www.tomshardware.com/network/20031106/index.html
http://www6.tomshardware.com/network/20031106/sandisk-05.html
it's 300k, it's true!!!
RE: it's turtle speed vs Enfora?
-- he doesn't seem to have any complaints about speed. I wonder now which is faster? Anyone know or can give an educated guess?
BTW, there are two interesting pictures at that post! And more pictures at this post:
Forget that Sandisk WiFi SD, kids!!
http://www.theregister.com/content/68/34106.html
... so I guess I should wait for a TT model with WiFi built-in, instead of getting a T3? Or is that Enfora WiFi Portfolio *really* worth the $$$?
RE: Forget that Sandisk WiFi SD, kids!!
RE: Forget that Sandisk WiFi SD, kids!!
RE: Forget that Sandisk WiFi SD, kids!!
Looks like the answer is you don't even have a PDA. All you can do is hang out at Best Buy playing with the demo models until the store managers finally ask you to leave. I feel sorry for the people working in those stores that have to grit their teeth and listen to your constant whining.
Pretty much sums up your sorry existence, doesn't it?
Remember, if you're feeling "unsafe" this weekend, either call your care worker or go in to the ER for observation.
RE: Forget that Sandisk WiFi SD, kids!!
When can you make it? Can you come over tonight? Or does the homeless shelter still have that nasty 9PM curfew?
RE: Forget that Sandisk WiFi SD, kids!!
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
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