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RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
This is BEAUTIFUL! Total chaos today! :D New hardware looks very impressive, and dare I say, more competitive.
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
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RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
But, uncomfortable shape or not, I am in.
RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
I don't care about lack of WiFi (although it would be good), lack of UC (don't like it, anyway - feels so unnatural when removing it from the cradle), or even the cheap faux metal finish (a white finish, like the Zire/Zire 21, would be perfect). I just want 320 x 480 in a slim case without a slider.
I've also been thinking about upgrading my m515 to a Tungsten E (low cost, great form factor) or even T3 (320 x 480) in the meantime, until someone comes out with the PalmOS PDA of my dreams, but now I'll just wait and hope the rumors are true. I hope palmOne sees this as an incentive to get a sliderless 320 x 480 model out quickly, rather than as a cannibalization of current sales.
Please let the rumors be true!
no WiFi
Why would there be WiFi? To make the thing heavier and drain the battery faster?
BT is there for connecting to your phone and laptop and for wireless hotsync. It works like a charm. It's far easier to configure than WiFi for the average user and, unlike WiFi, it's actually secure all by itself. You can even get BT access points if you want to get onto your LAN.
WiFi makes little sense for PDAs as long as it is as expensive, bulky, and power-hungry as it is today.
RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
>>>WiFi makes little sense for PDAs as long as it is as expensive, bulky, and power-hungry as it is today.
>slaps head!< Yeah, you're right! Those MORONS at hp! How DARE they cram BOTH BT *and* WiFi into that itty-bitty teensy-weensy makes-a-TungE-look-like-a-fekkin-BRICK hp iPaq 41xx series?!
I mean, geez, the NERVE of some people shattering your illusions like that!
RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
I just can't figure why folks make such a big deal about wifi on a handheld.
(Self-confessed Palm Geek)
RE: Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
If pda color was such a big deal, palm could boost many sales simply from reviving the changeable faceplate. I never bothered with it, but it did not seem like such a bad idea.
I am really beginning to despise windows. Windows, get out of the mobile devices, you can keep your desktop OS.
RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
But in any case, from the looks of the launcher, it doesn't look low-res. May just be the low resolution of the picture.
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
I wonder if the 21 will be retired as a result of the 31 coming out. Here is the entry level colour Palm everybody wants. Maybe the screen is the exact same one as the Treo 600, that would make sense from aqvolume standpoint.
It would seriously cannabilize (sp?) T|E sales if it was 320x320, assuming the T|E isn't being retired. It still gets the new user on to the upgrade cycle; I'm sure this is P1's strategy here.
One prediction for Mike Cane in the bag!!
RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
Thanks, robrecht
RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
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RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
It looks like they will have three models below $200, the TE at $200, the 31 at $150 and the 21 at $100. I would expect them to drop the 21 down to $80 for the Spring or offer some other $20 premium. That would give PalmOne a nice spread at the low end. They would also have the TE at the HP 1935's $200 price (a bad deal for PalmOne comparing the specs), the TE2 at the HP 1940s $300 price, and the T3 at the HP 2210's $400 price. A new TC replacement with HVGA instead of the keyboard but with both WiFi and BlueTooth might match the HP 4130-35 (are those the right numbers?) at $450. That would make an extraordinary head to head market battle. Of course, the new Zire 71 replacement would have to fit in there somewhere. A million or so sales of those could give PalmOne some very good sales numbers vs HP who have no such model.
I thought Palms lineup for Fall 2003 was good. This is steller.
RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
Price the Z|31 at $100 and lower the Z|21 to $80, Z|m150 to $59
Lower the T|E to $250
Price the T|E2 at $200
The T|E2s would sell like hotcakes. I won't buy it at $300.
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RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
I took a good look at the pics and it seems that this will be a hi-res screen. My reasoning lies in the part of the screen where the time is. On the TW all of the icons and scroll bars look hi res until you look at the area of the screen where the time is. It is quite blocky in my opinion. The pics of the Z31 do not reveal this blockiness. Therefore I am thinking that this will be a $150-$170 hi res PDA. No expansion slot though. This seems to be the PDA for those that need a color screen and space but no more than maybe 8mb ram. If it has 16megs then PalmOne has a heck of a home run. But, without a headphone jack, I dont know. If this has an expansion slot and a headphone jack, PalmONe will have the iPod killer. This device plus a PCMall.com $70 256MB card is a steal. More than likley though, PalmOne plays this model as a color sticky notes and charges the $150-170.
As for the TE2; I wanna see if it has BT. Personally, for PalmOne to leave the Tungsten line with a slew of BT PDAs, it will do well to its marketshare. Without BT, do not charge more than $250; but then drop the T3 to $350 because of the Mhz, RAM, and BT.
Check out my review of KeySuite over at www.bargainpda.com
Personal Website: www.antoinerjwright.com (cant wait for PalmOS to support Flash so that I can view my site on my Palmie)
if PalmOS would actually support it...
But graphics under PalmOS remains stuck in the dark ages: no anti-aliasing and no ClearType.
RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
Also, does anybody besides me see the white plating around the blue plate - somewhat similar to the Z71? Could this have a camera?
RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
About the grey/silver trim on the outside. The other Zire models have the two tone color scheme going. plus, the Z31 doesnt have the depth that the Z71 has. That plus its number designation says to me that this model does not have a camera.
Check out my review of KeySuite over at www.bargainpda.com
Personal Website: www.antoinerjwright.com (cant wait for PalmOS to support Flash so that I can view my site on my Palmie)
RE: They are gonna make a color pda with 160x160 res?
You can in fact see such an enhancement on your hi-res Palm with WordSmith, which I use everyday. Wordsmith's FineType technology softens font stairstepping in a way very much like ClearType. I expect it does some good for low res Palms, but I can scarcely tell the difference on my Clie.
I don't like these hacks anyway. I think it only makes the text look blurry, but I may just be too aware of it and if someone didn't even know what it was or how it worked it might make the text look better to them.
I look for the Zire 31 to be low res. If it is hi-res there is no longer any need for the TE. Either way, I would not expect to see Palm suddenly include system-wide clear-type-style font anti-aliasing.
Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
WHAT good is a connector called "universal" if 1/3 or 1/4 of your product line cannot use it?
If an average consumer goes into Target and sees a Zire, Zire21, (and soon to be Zire31) and T|E to choose from, they will logically assume that a cradle bought at any electronic or computer store will work with their new model. I've had 3 neophyte coworkers/colleagues buy Palms (all Zires or T|E's, btw) within the past few months based on my enthusiasm and my T2/T3 experience. Two of the three have given up and returned or sold their units because of the lack of a cradle and/or general peripheral confusion.
It's sickening to see a major entity like Palm have to keep revising their packaging and/or putting little stickers on their boxes to show which models can and cannot work with a certain accessory.
In fact, they should just go ahead and relegate all Zire-branded models to the USB/DC ghetto and revise the T|E2 with a UC. Then at least everyone can know in advance they are going to be shortchanged and have a crippled, unexpandable handheld when they purchase something in the Zire line.
I think all of this confusion and incompatability is cheaping what little luster the brand has left. Palm should drop all monochrome models and eliminate overlap in their handhelds if they have any chance of hanging in there. One near-miss after another...
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
It's called evolution
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
the UC is a great idea for consumers because it lets us save money from buying yet another keyboard or camera or whatnot. the UC *should* be a good idea for the manufacturers since it lowers the cost of the upgrade allowing them to sell more newer handhelds.
BUT, the simple fact is, peripherials and accessories probably make more money than the PDA's themselves. sorta like Console gaming systems and thei'r overpriced games.
I personally am waiting for the next big thin UC palm so i can ditch my crappy HP1910 and come back home to PalmOS. My old stowaway keyboard is itching to be used again! But at the rate Palm is going, that'll never happen. the UC will probably be relagated to the tungsten line and will probably even be phased out of the future zires.
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
Maybe TE2 will be the PDA I was looking for after all... Stupid question, but is the usb at least 2.0? (OK, stop laughing...it wasn't a joke).
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
I do have a UC modem, but with BT and my cell phone, who needs it anymore?
Also, I have the Palm UC travel charger. Ever try using the charger and the Palm at the same time? You have to hold the thing at the perfect angle or it won't charge. It also pops loose very easily.
I much prefer the charging slot that the T|E has, plus it comes with a travel charger already...the cradle I can live without...the ability to travel is essential.
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
Also, I imagine a cradle with a little power plug and a mini-usb plug sticking up would not only be ugly, but a pain to get a Palm properly seated on.
Now, everyone has a right to criticize Palm on certain issues. They should be criticized for not paying enough attention to the original design of the UC so that it holds attachments or peripherals more securely. Palm can also be criticized for not sharing the standard with more manufacturers--but then again, if they cannot even equip a good chunk of their own product line with it, how do you expect them to share the wealth? The Zodiac (IMHO) really took one on the nose (courtesy of Palm) by not having UC connectivity.
All in all, it's a flawed design, yes, but it's a necessary evil and should be adhered to as an absolute stand on every P0ne device henceforth released.
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
Sadly, this is one area where the iPaq is far superior, in my experience. The iPaq connector has not changed since the 3700 series (the backward 1900 series notwithstanding), and it's a very solid, stable connector.
Wouldn't it be interesting to see HP license the PalmOS?
Anyway, I, too, would like to see the UC eliminated in favor of a more stable connector like a USB.
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
If anything, a revised "locking" UC would be nice. I keep thinking about the connector on the bottom of my Motorola v60 cell phone. It attaches so securely that I could plug in a charger and swing the phone around by the cord without it coming loose. Plus, USB & serial cables are available. Hey, come to think of it, imagine the genius of that concept--Palm and Motorola, the stalwarts of American portable electronics (*smirk*) teaming up for a multi-platorm, truly Universal connector! Carry one AC adapter to charge your cell and your Palm!
Palm's reluctance to cut off a nice revenue stream from aftermarked gadgetry ($50 illuminated mini cradles, for one) by omitting the UC on so many models is beyond me.
Additionally, as Palm and MDM continue to churn out titles pre-loaded on MMC, the non-expandable Zire and Zire21 continue to ring up sales. I think Palm could/should be crafty about this and have no Zire model with more than 8mb ram. That way, it'd practically force the purchase of expansion cards-potentially Palm-branded SD cards too, considering the amount of neophytes buying Zires to begin with!
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
It's all a matter of design and how much they want to spend or save. BTW, I'm one of those who requires USB plus RS232 plus power for external devices, so the UC is a necessity, or something equivalent that provides the same services.
If you think about it, palmOne only has two connectors right now: mini-USB for low end devices, UC for everything else. Of course, the TE2 is hard to fit into the "low end" classification!
The Solution: A Bluetooth Cradle
Palm Enthusiast since 1998
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
RE: Yet *ANOTHER* non-UC Palm!
Check out my review of KeySuite over at www.bargainpda.com
Personal Website: www.antoinerjwright.com (cant wait for PalmOS to support Flash so that I can view my site on my Palmie)
w00t! Spring product run?
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Tungsten|e2
There are additional unverifiable rumors from the same source on a next generation TE handheld. Internal called the TE 2, it is rumored to have built-in Bluetooth, a 320 x 480 wide-screen display, and a Intel processor.
Bulverde?
RE: Tungsten|e2
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RE: Tungsten|e2
If you think that PDA with Bluetooth and color screen
320x480 cost about $200 then you are wrong.
Look to Sony NX series
Might Goshi
Zire 31
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Main PDA: NX70v + WL100
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RE: Zire 31
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RE: Zire 31
RE: Zire 31
Zire 31 LOOKS GREAT....
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RE: Zire 31
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Zire 31
> It's not going to sell. it's too ugly.
Just like the Zire/m150, and Zire 21 didn't sell? Yup, just like that...
RE: Zire 31
m130 is beyond ugly. Z21 doesn't sell. It's just a me-too model. They should bother with it.
RE: Zire 31
Come to think of it, looks kind of like the Sony TJ series...
RE: Zire 31
I have to disagree. I love the look of my m130.
(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)
RE: Zire 31
How about you actually show some numbers before saying silly things. The Zire has sold in faster than any model of pda for any os. The zire 21 is the same thing but OS 5, faster ARM processor and more memory - but for the same price. Where is yr proof that this isnt selling?
RE: Zire 31
davidtcollett @ 1/6/2004 8:24:27 PM WROTE:
"I would much rather have the M515 than this...it seems like it is basically the same, save for the processor, os, and body."
I would rather have an M515 than an HP 1935...it seems like it is basically the same save for the processor, os, and body.
Or:
I would rather have an M515 than a new Dell Windows desktop...it seems like it is basically the same, save for the processor, os, and body.
Or:
I would rather have an M515 than a new Minivan, forth child, new home, nice trip to the Bahamas....it seems it is basically the same save for the processor, os, and body.
RE: Photo Update
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RE: Photo Update
In any case, it's not like you'll be able to show it here. PalmOne will request that it be removed from here as well.
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Photo Update
Are you inferring that it wasn't credible because PalmOne removed it? Do you remember the last picture PalmOne removed from the internet? The Palm Oslo in July on PocketPCThoughts?
That PDA has all the correct signs of a PalmOne product. It even has the PalmOne brand name.
Rest assured - this is the product that'll be released in two months, if not earlier.
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Where is the picture?
Does anyone have a pic? Post it here please! please!!!
RE: Photo Update
Its a polish pda site.
RE: Photo Update
the screen is 160x160, means it will be 8bit color?
Part of me hopes so, for reasons I'd rather not speak
about until my SW is complete.
Independent Palm Software Developer
RE: Photo Update
Arthur
Palm Pilot 1000 > Palm Pilot Professional > Palm III > Palm M100 > Sony Clié PEG-T415 > Palm T|T3
RE: Photo Update
That PDA has all the correct signs of a PalmOne product. It even has the PalmOne brand name.
Rest assured - this is the product that'll be released in two months, if not earlier.
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I am inferring that the source was RELIABLE, CREDIBLE , and ACCURATE. PalmOne wouldn't request removing a fake picture -- it's common sense.
RE: Photo Update
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Photo Update
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RE: Photo Update
Laugh of my day! (I was waiting for *something* to make me laugh in this &^#$#@@ near-zero frigid weather! It's colder than Bill Gates out there!)
RE: Photo Update
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RE: Photo Update
Try going indoors. And while indoors, try turning on the heater. And pay your electric bill. You know, just a few pointers.
But seriously, it's 20 below here in Philly's burbs. I stepped outside, and I thought I was going to pass out. So awesome! Time to go streaking..
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Photo Update
The Pictures are here at least for now
they are part of the thread so they should stay a while
I think therfore I am overqualified to work here....
RE: The Pictures are here at least for now
(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)
yet another site where the photos are available
http://www.mobilmania.cz/Bleskovky/AR.asp?ARI=106261
the site is in slovak
RE: About OS
PalmOS 5 and Lo Res
This is good for PalmSource too, because I suspect that we will see more lo res Smartphones in the future.
Edward Green
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RE: PalmOS 5 and Lo Res
Check out my review of KeySuite over at www.bargainpda.com
Personal Website: www.antoinerjwright.com (cant wait for PalmOS to support Flash so that I can view my site on my Palmie)
RE: PalmOS 5 and Lo Res
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RE: PalmOS 5 and Lo Res
RE: PalmOS 5 and Lo Res
Check out my review of KeySuite over at www.bargainpda.com
Personal Website: www.antoinerjwright.com (cant wait for PalmOS to support Flash so that I can view my site on my Palmie)
RE: PalmOS 5 and Lo Res
I love my Treo 600 despite the lo res screen, and would like more game developers to support it.
Edward Green
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Well then, *NO* TT3 for me!
But -- just BT?! *NO* WiFi?
So...
1) Will the Sandisk WiFi SD be ready?
or
2) Is it really the TT*4* I want?
320x480 with *no* slider is a Good Thing!