Comments on: FCC Reveals Details of 3 Upcoming Clies

There are three entries in the Staples database:

Sku no. 561401 Sony Handheld price $199.99
Sku no. 561402 Sony Handheld price $299.99
Sku no. 561444 New HH price $349.99

So far we're thinkin' the TH55 will be $349 :D.

----------
Editor-In-Chief at: www.pocketloft.com

TE cheaper? Umm, the Sony has Wi-Fi.

https://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=387450&native_or_pdf=pdf

Generic Casio > Psion 5/StarTac > Vx > m505 > Sony N770C > Sony T625C/Ericsson T39m > Sony NR70V > Toshiba e310 > Tungsten T/Ericsson T68m > HP h2210 > Tungsten T3/Ericsson T610

Yeah! This is what we were wanting what, 6 months ago? Everybody was talking about a 320x480 CLIE with no moving parts! Man, if my T665C dies, this is what I'm getting. Go sony! Oh yeah, I wonder what the price is...

ewww, 2.5 hours battery life with WiFi... well, it's almost as good w/ WiFi as the T3 is w/o WiFi.

damn and I just got a T3... got to check out this unit when it comes out... T3 will definitely get ebayed.

The back doesn't look like another set of jog dials to me. It looks like a hinge for the flip lid.

The jog dial is actually in a brilliant position if you think about it. If I understand correctly, there's left / right buttons on either side of it (as well as a "back" button). Try placing all those on the side of the device, and operate them all with one hand only. It would be very awkward. With this setup, you can easly access all buttons with your index finger, while you hold the device securely between your thumb and your remaining fingers. And since the flip cover is transparent, this will be a very good way of looking up data with only one hand.

-Enfors-

RE: Reasonable rumors of T4?

Best Buy and some other chain recently listed the T3 as discontinued. But, no I haven't seen the kind of information about T4 that we have seen about the Zire 31 and TE2.

I am not really expecting a T4 before OS 6. I really like the software updates of the T3 and the extreme speed. I especially like the friendly way you can pop up the time with one button, as I use my Clie as a watch. In fact, I stopped wearing a watch shortly after I got my Clie without thinking about it.

I suppose there will be utilities that allow screen rotation, larger clips (in fact, Sony has some new cut and paste feature built in) and the rest. But, overall Sony is not doing software as well for my desires as PalmOne is.

Maybe I should buy one of each--TE2, T3, T4, TH55, TJ37, UX50 -- compare them all and send the ones I don't like all back. No, that would hardly be fair to Dell Online.

The T3 still wins in terms of memory (64 vs 32) and landscape - why doesn't sony do landscape? (and with the UX - why don't they do portait? WTF?). Maybe Sony is just waiting for OS 6 (which reportedly has landscape built-in) so that they won't have to introduce an incompatible landscape API - who knows.

>> even then, I won't be able to run standard AVI or MPEG movies from the camera on the Clie without runnig them through the desktop with Kinoma first.

Heard of MMPlayer?

http://www.mmplayer.com

T4?? are there any reasonable rumors of a T4?

There are strong rumors that the TT4 will have dual wireless, HVGA, ATI Imageon graphics card, ect.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19847

I am with MikeCane (don't let it get around!) I like the color of that black NX and the old metal cased HP Jornadas. My silver NR is OK. The silver Ipaq was too slippery, but look OK.

But, that flat black just says pocket electronics to me.

Naw...
I want one Newton Green with that nice grippy feel the original newtons had.

Is that 32mb useable or did they transpose 23mb? Apologies ahead of time for doubting PIC penmanship.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

They're releasing another os5 clie because os5 is just over a year old, and they want to release some more devices under the current license. I just hope that they have an os6 upgrade later this year.

Im going to buy a Sony TH55!

I'm not bothered by OS 5. In fact, I already know that BugME, DiddleBug, FITALY, TealPaint (finally! over 1 year late), WordSmith run. I am not interested in waiting another year for those to run correctly on OS 6.

As to 32 MB. It seems cheap to me too. Wonder if they will do the same they did with the other Handeld Engine, the UX and include all that other odd memory? Either way, it is marginal, but workable for me.

And, Sony is not bad on upgrades. They upgraded at least one model. I am not sure, the old 610? It was from OS4 to OS 4.1 or something. With these models coming out just after OS 6 went gold master, I would think that they know enough about it to know whether or not upgrades are possible, but just don't have the time/desire to go all the way through the approval/documentation/testing to ship them with OS 6. It might be worth waiting a few weeks to see if there is official announcement of upgradability. I will have to wait until I am sure FITALY works.

Let's see now. OS 6 allegedly "shipped" to licensees 15 days ago. Assuming that code was x-ferred via wire to Sony, here is all they might of had to do to get OS 6 into the TH55 ...

Sony had 14 days total to:
#1 Flash the OS into a pre-production TH55
#2 Load the conduits onto a Win 95 PC
#3 Test the conduit in dozens of configurations of Win 95
#4 Return to previous step until all errors and conflicts are solved.
#5 Check PIC to see if device is leaked yet?
#6 Turn completely tracked results, screenshots and protocols over to publishing department for documentation for this OS.
#7 Load the conduits onto a Win 98 PC
#8 Test the conduit in dozens of configurations of Win
#9 Return to previous step until all errors and conflicts are solved.
#10 Turn completely tracked results, screenshots and protocols over to publishing department for documentation for this OS.
#11 Load the conduits onto a Win 98SE PC
#12 Test the conduit in dozens of configurations of Win
#13 Return to previous step until all errors and conflicts are solved.
#14 Turn completely tracked results, screenshots and protocols over to publishing department for documentation for this OS.
#15 Load the conduits onto a Win 2000 PC
#16 Test the conduit in dozens of configurations of Win
#17 Return to previous step until all errors and conflicts are solved.
#18 Turn completely tracked results, screenshots and protocols over to publishing department for documentation for this OS.
#19 Load the conduits onto a Win NT PC
#20 Test the conduit in dozens of configurations of Win
#21 Return to previous step until all errors and conflicts are solved.
#22 Turn completely tracked results, screenshots and protocols over to publishing department for documentation for this OS.
#23 Load the conduits onto a Win XP Home PC
#24 Test the conduit in dozens of configurations of Win
#25 Return to previous step until all errors and conflicts are solved.
#26 Check PIC to see if device is leaked yet?
#27 Turn completely tracked results, screenshots and protocols over to publishing department for documentation for this OS.
#28 Load the conduits onto a Win XP Pro PC
#29 Hold a series of engineering & marketing meetings which determine that loading and supporting Macs for OS6 are unnecessary.
#30 Turn this conclusion over to publishing department for documentation for this OS.
#31 Test OS6 with all basic Sony apps in order to produce valid results
#32 Lose sleep in hope that another SJ25-35 recall disaster occurs
#33 Return to previous step until all errors resolved for hardware & software
#34 Test all radios for BT & WiFi, for all versions of hardware sold in the Far East
#35 Return to previous step until all errors resolved for hardware & software
#36 Document by regulations all radio functions needed to please the FCC or equivalent international body.
#37 Test all radios for BT & WiFi, for all versions of hardware sold in the Australia
#38 Return to previous step until all errors resolved for hardware & software
#39 Document by regulations all radio functions needed to please the FCC or equivalent international body.
#40 Wonder if the batteries in these will kill people
#41 Test all radios for BT & WiFi, for all versions of hardware sold in the Middle East
#42 Return to previous step until all errors resolved for hardware & software
#43 Document by regulations all radio functions needed to please the FCC or equivalent international body.
#44 Test all radios for BT & WiFi, for all versions of hardware sold in the Africa
#45 Return to previous step until all errors resolved for hardware & software
#46 Document by regulations all radio functions needed to please the FCC or equivalent international body.
#47 Check PIC to see if device is leaked yet?
#48 Test all radios for BT & WiFi, for all versions of hardware sold in the Europe
#49 Return to previous step until all errors resolved for hardware & software
#50 Document by regulations all radio functions needed to please the FCC or equivalent international body.
#51 Test all radios for BT & WiFi, for all versions of hardware sold in the Asia
#52 Return to previous step until all errors resolved for hardware & software
#53 Document by regulations all radio functions needed to please the FCC or equivalent international body.
#54 Test all radios for BT & WiFi, for all versions of hardware sold in the South-Central America
#55 Return to previous step until all errors resolved for hardware & software
#56 Document by regulations all radio functions needed to please the FCC or equivalent international body.
#57 Test all radios for BT & WiFi, for all versions of hardware sold in the US & Canada
#58 Return to previous step until all errors resolved for hardware & software
#59 Document by regulations all radio functions needed to please the FCC or equivalent international body.
#60 Pray you dont have SUDS problem like Palm
#61 Get approval from management that all devices are ready to go out to FCC & equivalents
#62 Box up the units, address them
#63 Call BROWN to overnight them to FCC etc.
#64 Remember to send another package to FCC with specs and details of device
#65 Fire the junior engineer who forgot
#66 Catch, restrain, depose and box up the cubicle contents of an employee not only posessing a Palm Zire 71, but taking photos of the TH55 and uploading them to a Chinese website.
#67 Check PIC to see if device is leaked yet?
#68 Device arrives at FCC and sits in mailroom till 1:45PM
#69 FCC government employee pulls the device out of the box before going to the men's room for :45
#70 FCC employee goes to a staff meeting until 4:15PM
#71 FCC employee returns for final :15 minutes of work, looks over TH55, taps a few notes into his Mac and calls it a day
#72 FCC employee returns the next day and gets to work on the new TH55
#73 FCC employee realizes at 10:23am, that documentation did not come with it contacts mailroom
#74 FCC confusion takes a full day to find documentation shipped to another employee & returns it to proper guy
#75 Sony checks PIC to see if device is leaked yet?
#76 FCC get docs, puts on those 4 finger gloves and finally photos the TH55.
#77 When uploading the digital pix to his PC, Windows 98 crashes and he must rest the PC
#78 Finally his pics are uploaded to the PC
#79 FCC employe sends pics and info to engineering for testing
#80 Engineering spends 2 days documenting all aspects of TH55 specs, logs them into a system, highlights the photos
#81 Engineering mails all info over to the web dept for posting TH55 on the net
#82 Web guys realize pix are in .TIF format and require .JPG so wait a day and return to engineering
#83 FCC engineering converts photos and returns
#84 Sony checks PIC to see if device is leaked yet?
#85 FCC web guys massage the data and post to the website
#86 After a few days, some overboard PDA freak routinely peruses the FCC website and finds a post of a new Sony device!
#87 He sends out a couple of e-mails to find out how to make $$$ on this tip
#88 Finally he gives the tip to a mobster in Korea who posts on a website which babelfish cannot translate
#89 After a another day the link makes its rounds to Palminfocenter
#90 The next AM PIC posts a huge release
#91 Sony checks PIC as usual to see if device is leaked ... and freaks! Fear strikes the camp because this may be as bad as Palms m500 disaster.
#92 Sony curses the FCC and the American information posting requirements
#93 We read the awesome news and view the pics

YEAH, I GUESS YOUR RIGHT. HOW COULD SONY BE SO STUPID AND LAX NOT TO TAKE CARE OF THESE SIMPLE STEPS IN 10-14 DAYS. SOMEBODY'S HEAD SHOULD ROLL! WHAT'S WITH THEM NOT PROVIDING OS 6?

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

LiveFaith tell us you copied that from somwhere! You did NOT type all that just to make that point. Please tell us you were not that bored!

OS 6 or no. I am IN on this puppy.

ROTFL LiveFaith!

________________________________________
If you feel like you're under control, you're just not going fast enough.

Livefaith, as we say in Colombia: I have to take my hat off if you wrote all that stuff!!!

Anyway, I must defend the OS5.2 selection quite a bit: the software base is quite good at this point and the previous sony models have not been as succesful as their early ones (T760, 615, NR). Besides it has become quite a tradition for sony to keep using their previous OS licenses. Not too long ago they were still selling OS4.1 and currently they still sell OS5 models so why should we expect a different behaviour?

____________________________________________
Former Tapwave's Helix fan, now a T|T3 fan.

Well, he did make his point. It's really unrealistic to expect any of these new models to run OS 6.

I don't think it impacts release of OS 6 models either. I'm sure Sony has been planning those in anticipation of getting OS 6 from Palmsource.

Oh man, you got to put that coffee cup down!

Damn. Good one. Someone just got their ass handed to them.

Oops, make that tablet ... not clamshell.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

The hi-res+ Clies have all had the bar across the bottom. It comes standard with just a memory stick, battery life and time icons. But, you can add those functions almost right up to and in some ways ahead of the T3 bar.

Is Palmsource going to standardize that bar or will the licensees all create their own version?

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

You know what? I have a lot of respect for sony, and i was a little ticked with all the n~ series' and then the ux series (so horribly useless) then the not to mention the recent ones with the scroll wheel on the front, and i thought that sony could reverse course, but whoever has been creating these stupid designs is clearly on acid and the one giving the go-ahead is probably fartin' around on some carribean island and will put his signature on anything cause they clearly dont give a damn. i mean honestly! who puts a scroll wheel on the front! or the back for that matter!!! I mean come on! you dont have to be a bloody rocket scientist to figure out that the only useful place for a scroll wheel is where your thumb normally rests, or else what point is there?!?! unfortuanity this cant help the lefties out there, and this is why i suspect that they did this, none the less, other provisions could be made. if you dont like the scroll wheel cause your a lefty, than go buy a palm, do something for the greater good instead of ruining a perfectly good innovation cause some people arnt happy. and as for microdrives? the new toshiba .75" drive. able to hold 2 or 4 gb of data, while being able to fit inside a bottle cap would be a great solution, if sony would get off its lazy ass and do something about the lousy battery life thats out there. sony used to stand for innovation (well, 3m more so i guess) but now they've gotten down to copying others ideas, changing awesome technology for the sake of only changing it and not improving it, and creating stupid design ideas that completly take the idea of "portability" out of PDAs, which is what they were initially designed to be. even with all this "advanced" technology, we still cant make a device with what you would assume to be the correct leap from the palm III era and before, and fit it into a case at least compairable in size and bulkiness if not smaller. and we still cant make a better battery to last longer, to power these so called mulitimedia devices for long enought to really enjoy what they have to offer without having to worry about backing up all your data on redicuously expensive, big, and not to mention PURPLE (purple card in a black or silver device? what were they thinking!) media card that isnt standard with anything else but the egotistical sony, and thats assuming that its memory stick PRO compatable! Who seems to be having an identity crisis, as we all know. darn! memorystick SD came out! (SD standing for Super Dooper) now i have to replace all my sony stuff or they will all self-distruct! no wait... thats only when the warrenty ends. the best PDA i have every owned for 3 years is my faitful T-415. held together with tape, cause the 4 screws that held the batter cover on were literarly 3mm long, but it still works and has taken what every i have thrown at it, and i dont exactly "charish" my tech, i USE it. and thats more that i can say for any of the $1000 and above products that are out there.
thank you for reading my rant, and please PIC, dont edit it or delete it.

-stupid corporations

thats a very good idea. this is literarly THE perfect palm for me, except for the stupid jog"cylinder" and i really have no use for a camera. if i want quick shots, i want GOOD QUALITY quick shots, with flash. the choice in buying this device will rest entirly on 2 things, a:the quality of the screen and b: the battery life. any less than 4 or 5 hours is shameful.

-stupid corporations

And what about this Clie Organizer shizzle?

Brighthand is reporting that it is ONE app with that tabbed interface. WHT will this mean later on if I want to switch from a TH to a TungT4?

And where's Memo Pad?! I DON'T WANT freehand notes, dammit. I want my Memo Pad!

And there's this too: the latest NXes included the *full suite* of PalmOS font sizes, including the teensy two which are unreadable even on that hires+ screen (unreadable, but *great* for seeing an *entire paragraph* at once to select!). Which the TH include them? Eh? Eh?

absoco, get on the phone to kutaragi and have him answer these questions. I know you and him are like *that*. According to you, he's been following "abosco's CLIE Plan." (ROTLMAO!)

Hey, absoco, ska is getting in some good digs. First "magic trick," now this.

It could use 200 MZ and a fat 1700 mAh battery. But, I am not expecting one. The NZ has a user hot swappable battery. Do any other Sonys? I am about ready to get a new battery for my NR (They last only so long.) I wonder if I could have two swappable batteries to use one after the other for the past two years and still have lots of life left in them, or if they only last two years whether you use them hard (as in built-in battery) or use each half time (as in a swappable design.)

Anyway, odd jogger or not, weak battery or not, cheap 32 MB RAM or not. The first decent HVGA I can get for $300 or less will get my money this Spring.

The pdf specs say the display is a backlit TFT LCD.

I can only guess that they might have put the scroll barrel in back in order to keep the case from getting too tall. If you look at the TJ35, it requires a lot more room below the Graffiti area for all the buttons, scroller and T-connector. And an HVGA backlit TFT requires even more space inside the case than does a Graffiti digitizer area.

Three points:
#1 The rumored Tungsten TE2 has 320x480 and comparible specs
#2 Who knows the price point
#3 Sony has not "released" such a device, unless you work for the FCC of course.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

Oh, and PalmOne has just dropped the price of the Zire 71 to clear out inventory before the new model arrives. This is more of a Sony standard, but it seems everything PalmOne is doing is now a mirror of what we've come to expect from Sony.

It uses the standard T-Series connector, different than the very old S/N series connector.

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=200588&pcount=&Product_Id=125845

The other models that use this connector are every single Clie, excluding the S300, S320, S360, N710c, N610c, and N760c.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

>>(Tell the truth, you knew all that By Heart, didn't you?)

Of course. It's not exactly a stretch remembering the two series of connectors - T-series and S/N series.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

And then... will I want this?!!?

Sony Clié Video Recorder PEGA-VR100K

http://www.pdabuyersguide.com/tips/Clie_Video_recorder.htm

Oh. My. God!

I will finally enter the Promised Land of Data Import! Wherein my CLIE will act as its own r/w device!

So, I will *still* be able to use the old 6-in-1 r/w for the old MStick (as well as my Palm/PPC Test SD).

Sonyboy earns his name again! (You hear that, ska? Don't *you* wish you had such a nifty nickname?)