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RE: PalmOne not
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RE: PalmOne not
The trend appears to be stabilized...ie PalmOne is holding it's own and not losing anymore market share. HP + Dell + Toshiba (the major WM03 lisencees) make about 31% of the handheld market which I recall is about where they were last year...
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RE: PalmOne not
B/c Dell sells most Axim direct over the internet. These model figures include retail sales only...
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RE: PalmOne not
One Palm to rule them all!
RE: PalmOne not
Simple. The Best Selling SKUs list refers to US. The USA is not the world, as you may know. Otherwise, in Worldwide Handheld Marketshare 2003, Dell is in 4th position. Just because there are a lot of countries around the world... Duh.
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RE: PalmOne not
Doesn't everyone realize though, "Palm is dead" and have been for the last three years (Ryan, how about adding the ability for emoticons so I can roll my eyes here).
total income by handheld?
Does anyone have rankings on total income by handheld?
RE: Sales: Ouch!
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RE: Sales: Ouch!
#1 With all the sparks over the Palm WiFi SD card & WiFi handhelds, is it my overlook or do none of the leaders in sales of WiFi?
#2 When were the T3 and 2215 released? Did they each get the ful 1/4 for sales?
#3 I was suprised to see the Z21 lagging behind the SJ22. The SJ absolutely blows it away in features, but the Zire seems to get the most $ales press. Although, combining the Z, Z21 & Z21 bundle is pretty strong. Z21 appeared to be a major "resting on laurels" thing @ the beginning, imho.
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RE: Sales: Ouch!
Its not really an ouch as long as OS6 aka Cobalt products ship in the fall if not sooner. Most people with high end PDAs are generally either power users or suits (or power uses in suits
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RE: Sales: Ouch!
PDA's are irrelavant! Real action is in smartphones...
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RE: PDA's are irrelavant! Real action is in smartphones...
Also Palm Cobalt is the future of the smartphone business as it will go into the formfactors desired and has the security necessary for enterprise to adopt the smartphone.
Palm also has taken the real smartphone approach with Garnet as well that will fit in the low end smartphone devices.
Microsoft Mobile does not have the easy of use nor the stability the Palm OS currently have and Cobalt is all about stability and easy of use with advanced features.
Symbian also is weak in comparision as it runs on multiple chips in a smartphone application and costs more to produce and lacks all the features of Palm.
Palm is going to be a major player in this race and the PDA business is going to be the little side benefit that gives everyone what they want.
The PDA will be around as long as they sell and so far they are still selling so who cares if they are going to be irrelavent because right now they still help profits.
Smartphones are irrelavant! Real action is in milk...
JLM.
RE: PDA's are irrelavant! Real action is in smartphones...
Life is a great adventure or nothing.
RE: PDA's are irrelavant! Real action is in smartphones...
SE will announce their p1000 with Palm OS after their p900 sales dry up. Remember the Nagel slip about PalmSource being in talks with SE? Yeah, that's a slip, not a lie. You don't just pull something like that out of your ass. He slipped, and SE doesn't want to scare the puppies that are the potential buyers away from their current Symbian OS, which is now under full control by Nokia. How do they expect to get ahead by using the same OS the competition is using? Go different - go better. SE will come out on top with Palm OS under the hood. Count on it.
>>SE and all other tech companies are getting hammered by milk! This is where they should be concentrating their efforts!!
My milk is better than your milk.
-Bosco
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RE: PDA's are irrelavant! Real action is in smartphones...
Ya know, that does make sense for SE to use Palm OS. I wondered why the PSRC guy would bone a statement like that if nothing was on the horizon. Sonly guys squelched him ASAP.
BTW, the guy talking about Cobalt on smartfones ... I thought Garnet was being ported for that?
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RE: PDA's are irrelavant! Real action is in smartphones...
That having been said, I think Palm1 can do well in the smartphone market if Palm Source is able to deliver on the OS 5.0 based smartphone platform (and do it soon).
The phones need to be: 1) small and stylish; 2) allow for one handed operation; 3) priced to move (i.e. "free" with a contract).
I have a dream. . .
That day will never come, though, will it?
I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.
Where are the -$200 PPCs in this list?
Th other surprise I see in these numbers is the miniscule sales of the 2215 and T3 as well as the fact that none of the high end Sonys are on the list at all. Wasn't the Palm V a top seller when it was selling for $400+ or was it always the case that the high end models sold in such small percentages? Since none of the manufacturers are going to break out profits per model I guess we aren't going to find out how much Palm made off the higher versus the lower end models, but that really interests me.
My guess is that Palm gets mono Zires for about $40 apiece, TEs for $150, and T3s for about $250. They sell each wholesale for about 20% less than the suggested list price (Zire=$80, TE=$160, T3=$320) See where they make their money? They make big money on the low and high end, especially with the faster turnover in those models.
What I don't understand in all this is how in the world PalmOne and PalmSource are still losing money or just about breaking even every quarter when the Corporate reports come out. Are they spending way too much on advertising? exec salaries? shipping? exchange rate fluctuations? Where is all that gross margin money going?
RE: Where are the -$200 PPCs in this list?
The Ca$h is probably headed for R/D and other future developments. The two little Palms are swimming among the sharks man.
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Retail? What retail... Best Buy
PalmOne better get off their butts and put a hard drive in a PDA or someone else will. Either that or team up with Nikon and make photo/video transition from cameras a seamless process.
The great product is PalmSource's OS, not the hardware. If PalmOne wants to stay in the game they're going to have to leapfrog Pocket PCs, which are still stuck in 320x240 land with a cobbled mini-windows. There are many many opportunities going forward to promote the Palm OS; they're just incrementalizing themselves into oblivion, which Microsoft just loves to watch...
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Also, I guess since those are "retail sku sales", it doesn't count Dell Axims which I'l guess are pretty substantive as well...
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