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RE: Stupid move from the beginning
Are you speaking of only Palm, only Apple or are there multiple parties of stupid?
XCode "most advanced IDE"???
Most advanced IDE? ...on the planet??
On WHICH planet, man??
Is the rest of your post as informed/credible as THAT?
(I'm a die hard Mac user, and pray every day for Apple to stop playing silly games with XCode and the like and start collaborating with the Eclipse people)
RE: Stupid move from the beginning
Do petitions work?
RE: Do petitions work?
RE: Do petitions work?
FYI, on-line petitions don't mean much since you can't verity every "signature" to a unique source. One guy with a slick CGI script validity of the whole effort is gone.
Corporate America is not a democracy. You think PalmSource is getting it wrong? Start up your own company and do it.
Mark/Space has done an excellent job supporting a market that PalmSource does not want to support. If there is any "vote" here, it is how you spend your money on products. Getting people to sign a document is easy. Having them part with cash -- that speaks thousands of signatures louder.
Mac users in general tend to be liberal, victims of charasmatic personalities and have a big gang-up mentality toward anyone successful that they can't sponge off. (In fact, the political demographics of Operating Systems are facinating.) Thus Mac user somehow think they can protest their way into anything without putting real labot and effort to earn it.
I think they are serving Kool-Aide in the next room.
RE: Do petitions work?
Why???
I use the new Missing Sync 4 with PowerBook and G4 iMac plus CLIE TH55. Works well with all the Mac apps and existing conduits including M$ Entourage.
Don't know what all the fuss is about.
RE: Why???
Without formal support, why not just go to PocketPC? Heck MarkSpace supports that and we should get the same level of support anyway.
RE: Why???
RE: Why???
What kind of fuzzy logic is that?
RE: Why???
RE: Why???
RE: Why???
In fact Mac users will actually have more choice on the PocketPC since we have the option of MarkSpace or PocketMac sync software!
I see it like this:
PalmSource (software) says no Mac support
MarkSpace provides sync support
Microsoft (software) says no Mac support
MarkSpace, PocketMac provide sync support
Why again is a Palm a more valid option if the software side doesn't provide any support?
RE: Why???
In my case the need for built-in wifi outweighed the losing of those plug-ins and there are still ways, although not as convenience of synchronize the data.
Cheers,
Best Petition is sales of Missing Sync
Stuart Eichert
RE: Best Petition is sales of Missing Sync
RE: Best Petition is sales of Missing Sync
It's time for all Palm OS Licensees to get up from the rubble, sign a contract with Mark/Space, and start supporting the Mac.
Intel PXA27X, Motorola's ARM Processor, or Texas Instruments OMAP? Pick one Palm Enthusiasts, the choice should be yours. When handheld makers make you choose the ARM Processor, you win.
Palm? Do we care?
Palms are toys next to PocketPCs. Really, are we going to miss Palm? Get a smart phone and sync it with iSync. It works better and faster than Palm Desktop.
Even better, bet a PocketPC and the missing sync. Whatever you do, don't drop any money on a sinking ship. I'm waving this palm goodbye.
RE: Palm? Do we care?
No matter how many times you say "Each platform is best for different people" the PPC fanatics just don't get it. Like their master Bill, they know what's best for you and for me and you're a fool if you think otherwise. Yawn.
RE: Palm? Do we care?
It is kinda like a womam with a seven year itch from marrage that gets divorced. She leaves her man, finds herself in a real abusive relationship and laments that the problems she had when married wasn't that bad.
I'd get rid of ActiveSync and the fake hard disk copy it does for Palm Desktop anyday.
RE: Palm? Do we care?
Cheers,
RE: Palm? Do we care?
"The quality of both sides feel cheap, like the plastic that you get in $10 universal remote controls." (quoted from BargainPDA's review on the rz1715)
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PalmOne Tungsten T3/256Mb Panasonic SD; HP h4150/512Mb Sandisk Ultra-II, Sony Ericsson T630
The (v4.0) Mac desktop is foul.
Some of my problems with it:
- The interface is a total pig's breakfast. It's not Apple, it's not Palm. It's horribly counterintuitive.
- Miserable note support.
- Even MORE miserable note-on-appointment support.
- Reliably mangles data - I've had it wipe out my memo classifications twice now.
- Very poor backup options - You can either set up a full backup for EVERY hotsync, or not.
- Backups are incomplete. Won't backup the Address and Memo databases as .pdb files - So when it fubars them, you're sunk.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but some of these are 'Showstopper' level bugs, as far as I'm concerned.
http://wiki.jpilot.org/index.php/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions">The JPilot FAQ says that it runs under OSX - I'd find it hard to believe it's any worse than Palm's offering.
RE: The (v4.0) Mac desktop is foul.
RE: The (v4.0) Mac desktop is foul.
Better: Powerbook, iMac, or eMac with the G4 Processor.
Best: Dual G5 Mac Desktop
Intel PXA27X, Motorola's ARM Processor, or Texas Instruments OMAP? Pick one Palm Enthusiasts, the choice should be yours. When handheld makers make you choose the ARM Processor, you win.
What???
How the heck is changing the processor going to improve the user interface? Or cause the program to behave more reliably? All the OTHER programs I run on this machine don't FUBAR their data.
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Stupid move from the beginning
A - market percentile
B - OS X
While most companies had always seen the Mac as an additional source of income for their fully developed Windows products, it was ever only a strategy of MAXIMIZING THE MARKET. Get the last 10% out of an existing product. That worked fine with the low percentage of Macs being sold because the Macs were the Beamers, the showcase computers, the stuff featured in Playboy under the "Cool Stuff" category. Some companies developed an excellent software strategie where the core code was kept platform independent and only the gui had to be translated. These companies are still around and Mac users still pay more for their products. They don't complain. Spare parts on a beamer cost you more, duh!
With OS X, however, a lot of companies had a puzzle in front of them. They couldn't figure it out and neither could the programmers.
Programmers had 2 options. They could either run so-called carbon versions of their programs and modify them accordingly or step up to the much greater challange of converting to what is called Objective-C.
What happened then is what actually made major companies stop making Mac software. Here it is:
What is currently called Xcode and is probably the most advanced IDE and language package on the planet builds on C. Xcode uses objective-C as opposed to C and C++. The Mac environment uses Cocoa as a framework (for you old C++ guys and gals).
Here comes where it bubbles up:
The typical C or C++ programmer was suddenly tasked with estimating the amount of time, it would take them to re-write whatever project to conform to Mac OS standards.
They had two choices:
- Spend time making the current code compatible
- Spend time rewriting (well - if their code was written well, they only had to re-model)
What happened:
Most developers were very tight with C++ and the Metrowerks class hierarchy (PowerPlant). That was their life and bread. hese were the people fired. We still see it on Monster sometimes that their skills are required, but mostly those are companies are gone.
To Do Now:
Well - we know a couple of things:
1- the Mac is still around
2- major research is being done using the Mac
3- music and photography are easily the Mac's strength
As a closing observation - companies closed down on the Mac after 9/11 because they wanted more secure investments. It is easy to go with the monopoly, isn't it?