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Sony Japan has released a new Clie for the Japanese market only. The Clie PEG-VZ90 is a Palm OS multimedia Clie handheld, that features a large OLED screen, slider hidden buttons, plentiful memory and WiFi.
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edabe @ 9/14/2004 1:29:53 PM #
I guess you mean '128MHz'...


RE: 1223MHz?
Admin @ 9/14/2004 2:06:29 PM #
thanks, you got me, meant 123

Grey Market

RhinoSteve @ 9/14/2004 2:02:19 PM #
The grey market is going to be huge for this one in the states! I don't see one if these Stateside for less than a grand. Why didn't they do this in the States? Simple, Japanese are more prone to pay higher prices for consumer electronics than Americans.
RE: Grey Market
ray00pal @ 9/20/2004 10:13:07 PM #
I would have wanted to by 10000 of VZ90. Too bad they don't sell it here! This is my dream Clie!

Sweet OLED

JarJar @ 9/14/2004 2:06:17 PM #
Too bad this device ain't available in US, but I hope we'll see more electronic devices with OLED screens in the next year. I want my OLED.

Bright colors like wild crazy!

RE: Sweet OLED
Ezra4no1 @ 9/14/2004 4:07:21 PM #
Ok... somone help me out here..

What makes Oled so great? If I understand correctly... Doesn't OLED have a lower life span than current LCDs?

RE: Sweet OLED
abosco @ 9/14/2004 7:15:04 PM #
The advantage is battery life. OLED means Organic Light Emitting Diode, and in short, it means when electrical current flows through the pixels, the color that is created actually gives off light. This is actually bright enough to null the need for a backlight. See where this is going? You end up with a screen that's bright, yet doesn't need a backlight, so you can make a MUCH thinner device, as well as it having incredible battery life since the biggest battery drain is indeed backlighting.

NX80v + Wifi + BT + T637
RE: Sweet OLED
JarJar @ 9/14/2004 10:57:43 PM #
OLED currently has a shorter life span than LCD so it isn't good for things like monitors that are on all the time.

A PDA or Camera isn't on all the time. If you think about it, a PDA screen is probably on for a few hours a month. At this rate the OLED could theoretically last for decades (although the PDA wouldn't).

Less battery power is one benefit. Fantastic picture is where the OLED really shines. Add to that, literal paper thin dimensions and weight. OLED was made to go with PDAs.

RE: Sweet OLED
sledgehammer @ 9/15/2004 6:33:49 AM #
Despite the OLED screen, it ends up being 0.86" thick, definitely on the bulky side.
RE: Sweet OLED
JonathanChoo @ 9/15/2004 11:30:10 AM #
It has a 2600mAh battery. That explains the thickness. Sony is probably marketing this as a TiVo like player for those who wants PDA functions as well. Expect the next version to include a proper harddrive.

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StarTac > T28m > T39m > T68m > T610 > T630 > K700i (nxt week)

"handheld engine" kinda weak

pkuhns @ 9/14/2004 2:25:38 PM #
Am I the only one who thinks this 128 (123?) MHz handheld engine seems kinda weak? My NX70, which is not exactly speed racer, has a 200 MHz chip.

Perhaps Sony's motherboard offloads a lot of video processing to a separate chip and leaves the little handheld engine to pure processing?

Nokia 3650 bluetooth magnate

just_little_me @ 9/14/2004 6:29:16 PM #

You can't compare MHz ratings between different CPU's. There is so much more involved than plain clock speed ratings - and it's only dumbo's who trust those ratings. That's the old trick Intel used to play against the Mac community - it's now coming back to bite them on the ar$e... :-)


abosco @ 9/14/2004 7:17:33 PM #
No, you can indeed compare MHz ratings to each other if they have the same ARM core. Regardless, the HHE is slow as hell, and anybody who uses a Clie with that horrible 123 MHz processor will tell you so (and if they don't, you'll hear the inevitable "it's good enough for me!").

NX80v + Wifi + BT + T637
JonathanChoo @ 9/15/2004 7:11:41 AM #
Maybe you can on processors using ARM9 instructions but on x86 processors you can't. So many things can be a factor from the chipset to type of memory to FSB, cache size etc etc etc. Even Intel's own CPU (Pentiums) can't be compared Mhz to Mhz despite it all being x86.

Generic PDA > 5mx > Vx > m505 > N770C > T625C > NR70V > e310 > m550 > h2210 > T/T3 & h4150
StarTac > T28m > T39m > T68m > T610 > T630 > K700i (nxt week)
Wolfgard @ 9/15/2004 9:51:56 AM #
Yes, you can't compare on the x86 line of processors due to numbers of instructions executed per sec and all, BUT from what I know, most ARM processors are comparable. The TH55 (which uses the 123mhz Sony HE), chugs when displaying Divx video even when compared to a z71 144mhz Texas OMAP!

Maybe the VZ90 has a dedicated graphics processor like the Zodiac. That should help offload some processing off the processor.

pen & paper -> m515 -> Zire72

jho4thclie @ 9/15/2004 10:21:01 AM #
Whether or not you "can" compare processors via clock alone is irrelevant.

The 123MHz HHE is damn slow compared to my 400MHz T|C, and that's what counts. :-D


Edward Green @ 9/15/2004 2:13:27 PM #
The Handheld engine has dedicated Media processors, which I seem to recall only Sony knows how to use.

So they have gone back to the days of the n770c et al(still have one) which will still play mp3 in the background and play games better than my 144mhz Treo, because it has seperate Audio hardware.

Well that is the theory. I have no idea what sort of slowdown the Sony Media players actually give ...

Edward Green

I want one...

GearHead @ 9/14/2004 2:55:55 PM #
I thought SOny was out of Palm business. Maybe they change their mind. Anyways if they decide to release on in U.S. I definetely want one. As long as it come with the new 270 series Intel processors at least 312MHz. I love the SONY Craftsmanship, I am sure this would be a winner. Think about almost same time as Palm about to relase their new handhelds...

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RE: I want one...
LiveFaith @ 9/14/2004 3:46:07 PM #
Imagine gaming on that! OLED awesome. I wonder if Sonly will do an OS6 unit, since they are rumored to be disappointed with PSRCs direciton?

At first glimpse, this device hearkened back to PSRC execs putting out feelers for a "notebook" / "tablet" device running POS. I wonder if that's alive anywhere in siliconville?

Pat Horne;

RE: I want one...
Sleuth255 @ 9/14/2004 4:29:16 PM #
Damn! Now that is some crazy sh!t!

Innovation aint dead in PDA land yet!

RE: I want one...
statik @ 9/14/2004 6:04:39 PM #
The screen is great, but to be honest, everybody was expecting OLED, so it is no surprise there.

The jog dial on the other hand? The jog dial / dpad combination is an awesome idea. It even looks like the jog dial is useable when the Palm is folded up.

Too bad Sony is only releasing this for the Japan market. Oh well, let's see what PalmOne can come up with. Are you listing PalmOne? That's the EXACT style of Dpad I want on the T5 or whatever is next!

RE: I want one...
hkklife @ 9/14/2004 8:05:08 PM #
BEST d-pad (from the looks of it, at least) on a Sony yet!! I have to admit that this one came out of nowhere. I figured Sony would just slowly wind down Japan Clie operations just like the USA...a shame about that CPU, however.


UZI4U182 @ 9/14/2004 5:08:09 PM #
As far as I'm concerned, it's a worthless addition to the market. The only thing new about it is the screen. Wow, way to go Sony, still continuing on with your little "stepping stone" CLIÉ's.

I would never buy this, or even consider it for that matter. Also, it's probably huge if it also has a CF slot.
Main PDA: NX70v + WL100


JeffreyM @ 9/14/2004 7:08:49 PM #
Hmm, I'd never buy it, I use a Newton MP 2100 myself, but the OLED certainly sounds interesting.. It does have Sony's usual design shortfalls (i.e. ease of use, what ease of use?..)


Which one would you buy?

Rome @ 9/14/2004 7:35:39 PM #
I know that I am comparing apples and oranges somewhat, but would you buy:

The Clie VZ90 for around $850


The OQO for around $2,000.

For those of you who are not familiar with OQO, you can find out more about it at

It was an easy decision for me, VZ90 in a nano-second.

RE: Which one would you buy?
JonathanChoo @ 9/15/2004 12:37:00 AM #
Why the OQO when you can have a Sony Vaio U50/U70 now?

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StarTac > T28m > T39m > T68m > T610 > T630 > K700i (nxt week)
RE: Which one would you buy?
GearHead @ 9/15/2004 7:27:39 AM #
It seems like SONY got their essence from OQO. I wish OQO was a little cheaper though! I am ready to shell out $1,000 for OQO. It seems great. I wonder what kind of processor in it? Does it come with a bigger HD? I am sure in near future others will follow OQO concept. Either way it is a very innovative idea.

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RE: Which one would you buy?
yusakugo @ 9/15/2004 9:51:52 AM #
The unit comes with a 1Gz transmeta processor. I don't think the HD is upgradable yet... since the HD is likely a 1-1.5 inch drive to maintain the size of this thing!

I think comparing the Sony PDAs to the OQO is like apples and oranges... the OQO is technically a fully functioning ultra-mini-laptop from what I'm reading (sans floppy or optical drive built in).


RE: Which one would you buy?
A9700rO @ 9/15/2004 12:48:08 PM #
OQO... you all know it slaps all the Palm OS devices out there, It's a "uPC" as they put it... Palm OS, is a PDA. PDA's sync, etc with a PC. So, yeah, OQO is superior.

RE: Which one would you buy?
hyperdaz @ 9/15/2004 4:34:14 PM #
VZ90 Dimentions.... 109mm (W) x 87mm (H) x 23mm (D) (4.3 x 3.4 x .86 inches)

OQO Dimensions: 4.9" x 3.4" x .9"....

its over 3 times bigger then my palm... so hows this the same

Portrait Mode

teryan2006 @ 9/14/2004 8:59:23 PM #
The VZ90 does have portrait mode. Atleast in CLIE organizer.

Best PDA Screen So Far...

ender wiggins @ 9/14/2004 11:50:35 PM #
Check out the screen quality at the Japan's Clie Users Club web site. They compare it to a couple of other Clies and the VZ90 screen quality is in a league of its own. Too bad it doesn't play DVD movies :(

Sony Is So Good At Being Maddening!

phoneboy @ 9/15/2004 12:37:43 AM #
I love, love, LOVE my Clie UX-50. It kills my T3 in so many ways. (I can't beleive I ever compared the two.)

I would kill to get an OLED in my UX-50. (I love the keyboard, wi-fi, and BT.)

Why would Sony just pull out of the US market? It made sense to me when I thought they were dropping their Palm PDA line all togehter, but with all of the R&D, design, testing, and manufacturing costs required for new Japanese units, it seems that those costs would be more easily defrayed when supported by the US market as well.

Sony's combination of proprietary software/hardware, overpriced MS, and must-have innovative cool design makes me crazy. Pulling it all out of the US just adds insult to injury.

RE: Sony Is So Good At Being Maddening!
yusakugo @ 9/15/2004 9:55:47 AM #
Not if they have to sell it at such an elevated price. Even with a limited production run, the costs of importing the units to the US and the marketing on top of the low number of sales probably doesn't add up for Sony... they probably would lose money from doing so. $850 will get you a pretty decent laptop already that may not be as portable but is certainly much more powerful. The Japanese market (and many of the Asian markets) are more likely to pay the premium for such devices... Sony has a target number for sales to break even on the unit. Sony probably can sell tens of thousands of these units in Asia where the market in the US and Europe is just a fraction of that for their high end units.

It also seems that Sony's experience in the European and US markets of having people return CLIEs because of their complexity (not because the units were defective) was another reason Sony didn't want to support these markets... they were losing more money in the returns and the technical support that they wouldn't face in the Japanese market.


not in US

swatts3413 @ 9/15/2004 4:08:55 AM #
I am so glad I don't want this since I can't have it anyway

Not fair!!!

A9700rO @ 9/15/2004 12:37:34 PM #
This bool-shee-it isn't fair, that one, I'd consider over my Zire 72..!!!

RE: Not fair!!!
hyperdaz @ 9/15/2004 4:41:17 PM #
wonders how many ppl want demand an OLED Display for the new T5??????

id luv one p1

I.M Anonymous @ 9/15/2004 6:28:22 PM #
u guys are so freaken nerdy lol...get lives

RE: Not fair!!!
GearHead @ 9/15/2004 7:47:17 PM #

Palm III>Palm IIIx>PalmV>PalmVx>Palm m505>Palm M515>Tungsten T
Dell X30 624Mhz w/BT+Wi-Fi
Nokia 6600 w/BT
RE: Not fair!!!
Strider_mt2k @ 9/16/2004 6:49:55 AM #
Say it, brother!



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