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Palm Contest CartoonPalm has just posted the detail of a new contest where they are offering up the chance to 'Celebrate with Palm in Las Vegas' with an free trip Vegas as Palm's guest. In continuing with the teaser campaign for the CES event, Palm's blog states: Want to get the scoop on our secret - live and in person - when we unveil some Palm New-ness in Las Vegas?

The contest details are located on Palm's Facebook page and are further detailed here. To enter participants must complete the last frame of dialogue from a specially Palm commissioned xkcd cartoon that says something clever about the state of mobile communications. The winner gets a free trip out to Vegas to be present at the Palm event where something they won't specifically say... will be unveiled. The event is an invitation only affair for analysts and media.

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Bizarre

Gekko @ 12/11/2008 5:36:50 PM # Q

this makes the Claus campaign look sane.


RE: Bizarre
mikecane @ 12/11/2008 5:41:36 PM # Q
What a way to RUIN a contest: Facebook!

RE: Bizarre
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 3:42:45 AM # Q
Not Bizarre - you have to be a FAN of the Facebook page to enter. Does this not mean you must specially note the page, thus notifying others of the existence of the page, etc etc etc.

Viral marketing at its...uh...best?

Strange that they're running TWO contests at the same time, though - left and right hand not talking a-GAIN?


RE: Bizarre
Gekko @ 12/12/2008 5:12:57 AM # Q

the cartoon is bizarre. implications of a love triangle with a mother? it's not even funny or clever - just contrived to look hip and ironic. i'm sure a liberal cooked this one up too. what's next, bestiality? they already gave us the transgender Santa Claus.



RE: Bizarre
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 5:43:49 AM # Q
Oh! I see what you mean! I hadn't read the cartoon!

Ha ha ha!

Bizarre!


RE: Bizarre
abosco @ 12/12/2008 9:04:32 AM # Q
You guys must not read xkcd. It's a popular (nerdy) web comic. http://xkcd.com/

Here's a personal favorite:
http://xkcd.com/123/

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: Bizarre
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 9:24:19 AM # Q
> You guys must not read xkcd...

Indeed - never heard of it til now.

> ...It's a popular (nerdy) web comic...

Oh yeah?

Where is it popular?

RE: Bizarre
Poopie @ 12/12/2008 9:25:57 AM # Q
Palm fans on facebook : ~2,000
Claus fans on facebook: ~36,000

I rest my case.

RE: Bizarre
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 9:49:20 AM # Q
The Claus guys are running a contest simultaneous to the Palm guys. "Fan" their page and ya enter.

[I do not facebook]

RE: Bizarre
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 10:05:20 AM # Q
Christ, what frikkin brain dead eejits abound here. Even *I* have cited xkcd. Where the hell do the rest of you go on the Internets? Anywhere other than PIC?

http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/xkcd-speaks-for-me/

RE: Bizarre
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 10:20:35 AM # Q
> ...Even *I* have cited xkcd...

Well...we would have had to visit your website to see that cite, thus knowing what xkcd was.

Giggle.

RE: Bizarre
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 10:47:37 AM # Q
Yeah, but all you know are the URLs for PIC and the Yahoo PALM Stock Board.

RE: Bizarre
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 11:45:50 AM # Q
Well, actually I don't even know those - I just clickety-click on a "Bookmark" and get sent there without looking...

RE: Bizarre
CFreymarc @ 12/12/2008 12:25:12 PM # Q
Looks like someone new at Palm marketing. Perhaps the Liz Claiborne crowd is out and the Miley Cyrus crowd is in. If they are going this way to promote the product, I see a shift from the professional crowd to going after the "Internet generation" and their parents disposable income. Guess is "mature professionals" need to look at other platforms now.
RE: Bizarre
Gekko @ 12/12/2008 4:00:47 PM # Q
RE: Bizarre
freakout @ 12/12/2008 5:26:36 PM # Q
My own xkcd favourite:

http://xkcd.com/386/

RE: Bizarre
joad @ 12/12/2008 10:27:57 PM # Q
The incessant NASCAR promo crap the other year(s) was very stupid - but 'Facebook'?!?

The idiots promoting Palm have been trying to con people into "please try our crappy steak" for so long, they have forgotten the sizzle that has been there all along.

If we must hear advertising, how about a campaign that actually shows the beauty of the OS? The abilities of the device? NASCAR, Santa and Facebook may be trendy, but being "trendy" is the problem with the phone biz: someone always has something thinner and prettier than you. Concentrate on the actul OS, keyboard and abilities and maybe some serious people will begin to understand the reason for a Treo.

Rubes who worship NASCAR, kids on Facebook - will these sales really keep Palm from continuing to choke on their own olive green Centros?



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Am I the only one who doubts the something new?

maceyr @ 12/11/2008 6:01:57 PM # Q
I can't believe that Palm has been able to keep everything so secretly under wraps that they can unveil something significant. I seriously doubt Nova will be announced. Best guess is that the 800w will now be available as GSM and the Treo Pro as CDMA. Oh, I guess that new ugly hybrid device that has been shown on the net.

I guess that could be considered NEW and exciting. Ho hum. Bah humbug!

http://palmdiscovery.com

RE: Am I the only one who doubts the something new?
palmit @ 12/11/2008 6:43:40 PM # Q
"I seriously doubt Nova will be announced"

You got to be kiddin!

RE: Am I the only one who doubts the something new?
joad @ 12/12/2008 10:30:04 PM # Q
You must be new to Palm's habitual acts....


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huh?

whiteasianrose @ 12/11/2008 6:03:57 PM # Q
wait, so what is people's problem with the contest?

RE: huh?
PacManFoo @ 12/11/2008 6:37:10 PM # Q
How are things at Palm headquarters these days?

The last known classic PDA user.
RE: huh?
CFreymarc @ 12/12/2008 12:28:13 PM # Q
I have a feeling that they are taking a clue from Apple's "bomb shelter" design approach and the boys and girls over in Sunnyvale are just support personnel. If there is a new product, the key development personnel are elsewhere. It could be anything from coding for the last year in a 4000 sq. ft. cabin on the west short of Lake Tahoe (a few of you should get that reference) or perhaps a total turnkey overseas outsourced development. Either way, it has talking about it. I'm not hold my breath here.
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They will annonce Nova!

poorman @ 12/11/2008 6:42:04 PM # Q
I know people who work at Palm. I haven't seen the device though, as they are keeping it wraps. (It can't leave the building.)

I'm told it's JavaFX based, and it will be amazing. (Not Ugly)

Don't give up hope!!!

*Clutches 700p*

RE: They will annonce Nova!
hkklife @ 12/11/2008 7:09:29 PM # Q
Top 10 items that could be unveiled in Vegas:

10. An Athena-to-microUSB adapter for Centro users looking to upgrade to an 800w or Treo Pro

9. Some funky fresh new Centro colors including a new two-tone limited edition "Centro LE"

8. A rickety one-off prototype Tungsten T4 that has no internal battery and only powers on when connected to AC that is running an early alpha build of Cobalt

7. The ultra-limited circa-2003 "Dungsten D" handheld in a dark brown anodized aluminum housing

6. One of a kind Treo 650 autographed by Hawkins and featuring a DVORAK keyboard

5. A chance to write your very own blog.palm.com post about anything you desire

4. Hawkins' original Pilot block of wood that he carried around with him (complete with shirt pocket fluff)

3. A private meet & greet with these guys:
http://blog.palm.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/01/img_00181.jpg

2. An all-expense paid night out on the Vegas strip with Palm's very own Sarah:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/palm-ctia-2008-1.jpg

1. Yankowski's gold-threaded suit!!!

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RE: They will annonce Nova!
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 5:57:43 AM # Q
Someone who a black belt in code - Beers? - tell us the implications if that rumor of the new device being JavaFX are true.

Does that mean devs can come up with their own fugly and screwball app UIs (hello, Windows!)?

Does it mean we'll see a fast ramp up in apps from devs and college kidz?

Does it mean vulnerability to gross malware?

What about execution speed? Does it all run through an interpreter? Or can apps be compiled?

What's the least CPU horsepower it would need (I say least because I *still* think Palm would go cheap-ass on us, ala the PDA tarted up to be Foleo)?

What about battery life?

Is there any HWR possible with JavaFX?

Would corporations *want* something JavaFX-based?

OK, *now* we can have some real discussion here.

If Gekko STFUs!

RE: They will annonce Nova!
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 6:06:04 AM # Q
RE: They will annonce Nova!
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 8:07:45 AM # Q
That is meaningless. Think BIGGER about "mobile."

RE: They will annonce Nova!
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 8:10:03 AM # Q
Oh.

Okay.

Fooleo, Part II here we come!

RE: They will annonce Nova!
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 8:43:45 AM # Q
Foleo didn't have touchscreen.

RE: They will annonce Nova!
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 9:19:45 AM # Q
If it were the SAME device it wouldn't be called "Part II", now would it?

Sheesh.

Anywho, that guy over on jk-something-or-other could put a touchscreen on anything:

- http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/asus-eee-pc-900-gets-livened-up-with-touchscreen/


RE: They will annonce Nova!
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 10:11:47 AM # Q
jkk could install a touchscreen on your mother. But I wouldn't advise it.

And, geez, hello! What frikkin good is a touchscreen if you're dealing with the same old built-for-mouse-pointer OS underneath it? Go try that touchscreen hp desktop running (god help us all!) Vista. It makes FrankenGarnet seem *good*. This is one of the reasons UMPC failed - not just price - it was XP being underneath it. Even MS recognized what a doofus kludge that was and kept issuing "Origami" custom UIs for it. Hey, look at the new phones that slap a mask on WinMob. Once you leave that pretty face, it's a pig underneath!

PIC just gave me a timeout. So if this gets posted twice, blame Ryan!

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It has got to be Nova!

ZireGuy31 @ 12/11/2008 10:00:51 PM # Q
Palm has to be revealing something pretty exciting at CES. I really have a hard time believing that a company like Palm, which is struggling so much financially, would spend so much money on a contest. And then send the winner to a show just to see the new Centro colors. I think it is something much better, hopefully Nova!

RE: It has got to be Nova!
DrewT3 @ 12/12/2008 7:55:21 AM # Q
I hope so too, but remember how hyped the Foleo was. It was supposed to be the secret third business that would revolutionize everything.

RE: It has got to be Nova!
joad @ 12/12/2008 10:38:42 PM # Q
Palm has spent money on A LOT of stupid things over the years, just because they're nearly spent out does not mean they have changed their ways.

I'll believe it when it's in my hand running and syncing Pocket Quicken and a few other apps seamlessly. Ain't believing the hype right now- too many BS claims in Palm's history.


Paying my annual PDA update tax to Palm since 1997.

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Something 'big'

mikecane @ 12/12/2008 5:59:19 AM # Q
I am taking them at their word that's a clue. This won't be another frikkin cellphone.

RE: Something 'big'
hkklife @ 12/12/2008 7:02:10 AM # Q
"Big" as in a TX or Nokia N-series sized PDA type device or Newton tablet-size "big" or Fooleo netbook-style "big"?



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RE: Something 'big'
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 8:01:22 AM # Q
I think "big" as in the Ideal Size I've already gone on about: 5"-6" color touchscreen tablet all wireless as all get out.

I'm beginning to put together puzzle pieces for blog posts.

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I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!

mikecane @ 12/12/2008 8:46:22 AM # Q
Colligan dropped hints. Pieces are congealing in my brain as I seek out clues.

Listen to me, Palm, you bastards. I'll be publishing a CHECKLIST of what this thing must be able to do BEFORE you announce it.

It better do all of them, dammit.

Hey, Rubenstein, watch my blog! I know YOU won't let them put out crap.

RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 9:20:34 AM # Q
Some think your brain congealed some time ago.

RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 10:02:51 AM # Q
KMA, punk.

RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
CFreymarc @ 12/12/2008 12:34:03 PM # Q
You need to work out your frustration. Try the Church Street Boxing Gym.

http://www.nyboxinggym.com/

Last time I was there, it was a good crowd and a nice alternative to drinking your anger away during happy hour.


RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 12:55:06 PM # Q
I never understood the desirability of literally having your brains beaten out. Ever watch Muhammad Ali's motor ability "recently"?

Alcohol rulz! Relatively speaking...

RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 1:26:00 PM # Q
Always a riot at PIC.

RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
Gekko @ 12/12/2008 1:51:25 PM # Q

You're missing the fact that hipsters love nothing more than to complain about things.

RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
CFreymarc @ 12/12/2008 2:21:06 PM # Q
"You're missing the fact that hipsters love nothing more than to complain about things."

They probably learned it from their parents who were anarchists in the 1920's.

RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
SeldomVisitor @ 12/12/2008 2:27:22 PM # Q
> They probably learned it from their parents who were anarchists in the 1920's.

My father was a hobo in the late 20s, early 30s. He had stories.

RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 2:45:58 PM # Q
>>>You're missing the fact that hipsters love nothing more than to complain about things.

Hey, I've got security cam vid of you all teary-eyed when you went for your Lexus to get fixed.

Poor emo capitalist pig!

RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
Gekko @ 12/12/2008 3:44:43 PM # Q

emo? no. yuppie, maybe.

RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 4:01:31 PM # Q
*facepalm*

I forgot you money sociopaths don't feel any pain.
http://tinyurl.com/62cwyq

RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
Gekko @ 12/12/2008 4:06:54 PM # Q
RE: I HATE you Palm! You TOO Colligan!
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 6:17:15 PM # Q
Eejit. That's the story I link to in my post. Post-detouring punk.

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Hey, David Beers!

mikecane @ 12/12/2008 8:51:04 AM # Q
Have you changed your mind since this?

JavaFX Mobile versus the iPhone
http://www.pikesoft.com/blog/index.php?itemid=176

>>>The more I think about it, JavaFX Mobile does not make any business sense. When it comes to Linux + Java, Motorola is a lot more likely than Sun to get the mix right. Sorry Sun, I just don't think you can jump into this market just by slapping together a bunch of cool components that get developers jazzed: in the mobile handset market it's the wireless carriers not the developers that are in the driver's seat. If there is one thing I have learned as a mobile software developer it's that you ignore this at your peril.

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You know, I'd really love to go, but...

AdamaDBrown @ 12/12/2008 8:54:06 AM # Q
...That cartoon that they've provided is so [expletive] pointless and irrelevant that even I, somebody who makes a habit of writing comedy, can't figure out any way to save even a modicum of funny in 50 words or less.

Folks, I hope your announcement is better than your big cool contest.

RE: You know, I'd really love to go, but...
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 10:15:00 AM # Q
It could be the first *unfunny* xkcd in history.

"It's not the 80% to your mother that matters. It's the 20% to your father. He's going to announce he's gay and getting a divorce and moving to San Francisco, where he will vote LIBERAL and instill a heart attack in Gekko and his silly Playskool Centro."

Like I said: unfunny.

RE: You know, I'd really love to go, but...
AdamaDBrown @ 12/12/2008 4:12:47 PM # Q
After thinking about it some more, I've come up with a few ways you could give it a punchline, but they're almost all quite inappropriate and unrelated to modern communications. I only could think of one that was even remotely suitable.

I have high hopes for Palm's announcement, but having THIS as their contest does not do a lot to instill confidence that they've suddenly learned the art of marketing.

RE: You know, I'd really love to go, but...
Gekko @ 12/12/2008 4:16:11 PM # Q

the buck stops with the CEO.

RE: You know, I'd really love to go, but...
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 6:18:25 PM # Q
Yes, whoever is in charge of Marketing needs a Holiday Gift: a nice pink slip.

OK, throw in a bow as a bonus.

RE: You know, I'd really love to go, but...
joad @ 12/12/2008 10:42:48 PM # Q
"pointless and irrelevant" seems to be Palm's trajectory - the cartoon is deemed appropriate.




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Palm Blog credit lines

mikecane @ 12/12/2008 10:45:54 AM # Q
WTF?

When I see, for instance, this tagline:

Karen C.
Edelman for Palm

That's someone named KAREN C. from the PR FIRM Edelman? Is that correct?

I had a huge roar of laughter that one of Palm's EXECUTIVE EMPLOYEES won't post his surname:

http://blog.palm.com/palm/2008/11/get-rewarded-fo.html

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Sony to deliver OLED media player!

mikecane @ 12/12/2008 11:02:12 AM # Q
RE: Sony to deliver OLED media player!
hkklife @ 12/12/2008 11:29:47 AM # Q
I will of course reserve judgement until the first reviews are in and I've had the chance to fondle one myself.

However, based on the initial specs/pics:


1. Apple had better watch out for this 'un, especially with a few hard buttons, OLED screen. If Sony has the foresight to stick a Memory Stick Pro Duo or Micro M2 card slot in this thing it'll be a huge home run (let's be realistic and not assume they will come to their senses and put some kind of SD slot on this thing)

2. ANYTHING that can come close to, equal or surpass the iPod Touch in specs without being tied into iTunes/DRM is a very, very good thing.

3. This is likely the precursor to the PSP 2 and/or possibly even the poor man's successor to Sony's eReader digital book lineup.

4. FM tuner? Only close to a decade after Apple should've put it in the iPod. 'nuff said!

5. Amazon DRM-free MP3 store integration & full drag & drop mass storage compliance without any iTunes proprietary silliness & DRM? SIGN ME UP!

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Someone find Vampire Lestat & TVoR-OLED has hit the big time!
hkklife @ 12/12/2008 11:32:33 AM # Q
Their holy grail has finally arrived.
Giggle!
Maybe we'll see a resurrected VZ90 for the Japanese market with WiMax and Nova.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/7106/sony-announces-the-clie-vz90-handheld-for-japan/

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RE: Sony to deliver OLED media player!
mikecane @ 12/12/2008 1:23:27 PM # Q
>>>without being tied into iTunes/DRM

Geez, you don't HAVE to put DRM music on it.

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Predictions

Nycran @ 12/13/2008 4:27:33 AM # Q
Palm simply MUST be forward looking, perhaps even revolutionary with the new OS/device that they're about to announce. If they don't, they will surely die in 2009.

Here's my predications:

A) As stated elsewhere, Nova is going to be a "consumer" OS to replace Garnet. Business users will not be the immediate target.

B) The OS will be very tightly integrated with a set of Palm Internet services. I'm thinking HotSync will sync to the cloud rather than to a desktop PC. The whole notion of syncing manually will probably be nuked too, in favour of a seemless background syncing operation. Contacts, To-do, Calendar etc will all be stored remotely. This immediately does away with Windows/Mac/Linux compatibility woes.

C) There will be deep integration with key Internet apps like Facebook, MySpace, MSN and Youtube. These are essential tools for the young'uns of today and if you're targeting that market, you've gotta do it.

D) Multimedia support is critical, so solid native inbuilt apps for movies and music will be there. This must be as easy to use and as robust as an ipod.

E) The Palm UI will be brought up to scratch, with multi-touch support, smooth animation and super sexy graphics with transparency, shadows, the whole shebang.

F) There must be a solid SDK to go with the OS, and assuming that this baby is based on Linux, you'd have to say that Java will be the language used. Whilst C/C++ are no doubt more powerful, IMHO they do not represent the future of RAD app development. C#/Mono whilst possible is unlikely.

G) Numenta (Hawkins' baby) AI algorithms implementation. Extremely unlikely but hey, if they can make your phone (or the phone via the Palm services servers) actually learn from the way you use it, become automatically more intuitive to the user, make recommendations, etc that'd be a world first.

Most of these things are currently represented to some extent in both Android and the iPhone, but it will be the killer execution of these concepts that will make or break Palm this coming year.

RE: Predictions
SeldomVisitor @ 12/13/2008 5:28:52 AM # Q
A) The phone will be too expensive for the consumer - prosumer target as previously stated by Palm.

B) Yup - Palm said they wanted to do services - Coleman is still on their BoD...

C) It isn't clear how one "tightly integrates" something with the "cool site du jour" so I don't think this is likely; as noted, these sites come (and go?) on a daily basis practically).

D) Yes, even for the prosumer.

E) A must-have. Period.

F) It might be Java-based - I'd hope not, though. Too massive a performance hit compared to C. Note - JavaFX Mobile does not exist at this point in time.

G) Giggle. That's all...just "giggle".

But...

Colligan (I think it was him) said they would be introducing the "platform" "incrementally". Since NONE of the platform has been introduced YET, and assuming he hasn't changed that particular tune, I would NOT expect half of the above to show up by end of year (January 8th is not end-of-year). I certainly do not expect to see anything holdable-in-yer-hand anytime soon and, if that "incremental release" is the way of Palm's future, I would NOT expect next year's CES presentation to be as exciting as we all want.

RE: Predictions
mikecane @ 12/13/2008 6:13:40 AM # Q
JavaFX Mobile is irrelevant to what they will introduce.

Everyone here keeps thinking another frikkin phone.

It won't be.

That will come later. When JavaFX Mobile is available.

For crying out loud, people, they have an entire OS to unveil, not just a *mobile* OS.

No Prediction
hotpaw4 @ 12/15/2008 10:40:02 AM # Q
No predictions from me. Just comments as someone who has developed and sold multiple apps for both PalmOS and the iPhone. It's pretty nice developing for the iPhone with its fully modern OS and powerful development environment. But there are niches where Apple does not appear to be supporting certain categories of apps, and anywhere near as good PIM integration and ease-of-use as Palm/PalmOS had (I still use my Treo and Clie for a few apps). So I'm looking forward to the potential for a combination of PIM usefulness, and more flexible app categories, on top of a non-crippled OS and clean development environment.

Palm has had almost half a year to look at the iPhone 2.x and see all the user and developer complaints about it (no cut-and-paste, no skins, no environmental user settings, no programmable alarms, no fast frame buffer access, & etc.). It will be interesting to see if Palm had either the foresight or the flexibility to answer, and give developers yet another modern platform worth supporting.

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