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Business customers?
RE: Business customers?
RE: Business customers?
..: eston
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$599.99? Gasp!
RE: $599.99? Gasp!
I expect the 600 will drop by $100 to have a "retail" price of $499 - making $319 (after rebates) an attactive price point for that model. If this is a closeout model, they might even drop it down to price match the cheapest of the PPC based phones.
~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~
RE: $599.99? Gasp!
Given that and the fact that the CDMA carriers will be crippling the BT, it makes a lot less compelling upgrade if you're with Sprint or Verizon. It's not like the 650 is EV-DO compatible. It is EDGE compatible though, so the CDMA advantage is further eroded there as well.
EV-DO and EDGE?
I don't want to give up a stand-alone PDA because I need more memory that what a phone offers (which is okay for battery life), and don't want to pull out a phone in front of patients. But I want to be able to carry some data on the phone, and it would be nice to be able to transfer files between them: docs, email, phonebooks, etc. Will this not be possible with Sprint or Verizon?
RE: EV-DO and EDGE?
EV-DO = the device will *eventually do* what you want it to do, such as load a webpage or access something on the wireless network. No E.T.A. is promised with EV-DO.
EDGE = similar to EV-DO, but for CDMA customers (or is it the other way around?), it will eventually do what you want it to also, but *general E.T.A.'s* are given...such as 2 minutes for a webpage.
Could I use it to communicate with my existing T3? - Yes, don't they both have BlueToof? Expansion cards? Infrared (not sure on this one)?
RE: EV-DO and EDGE?
EDGE is a GSM based tech used by Cingular and AT&T. It delivers speeds of 8-12 KBytes/second, but is available on all of AT&T's network and most of Cingular's. Unlimited use is $20. The GSM Treo supports this.
Dave, the implication is that the Sprint and Verizon versions would not be able to be used as a wireless modem by a traditional handheld or laptop. So, unlike other Bluetooth phones, you couldn't use the internet connection through it. You should still be able to sync data to and from the Treo, and communicate with your T3.
RE: EV-DO and EDGE?
EDGE is up to 235 kbs (also theoretical)
However, my understanding is that due to high energy consupmtion EV-DO is not suitable for standalone phones since it will quickly drain the battery and will probably be available only as a non-phone device (PCMCIA, USB connection).
Handspring Visor -> m505 -> Zire71 -> Zire72
RE: EV-DO and EDGE?
RE: EV-DO and EDGE?
~Tony
Pilot --> V --> m505 --> Tungsten T3
RE: EV-DO and EDGE?
One other thing that really bugged me, is that all you get is the pipe -- no email account, no web page space, no online storage. It was too spotty a service for me to use as a primary Internet connection at home (my dialup was limited to 28.8 on a *good* day), but luckily Verizon got off their duffs and finally offered DSL in my neighborhood.
~Tony
Pilot --> V --> m505 --> Tungsten T3
RE: I hated Sprint and I hated the Treo600
I despise Sprint partly because of their incompetent customer service, but their coverage and call quality are pretty good in my region. Factor in $15/month for unlimited data and suddenly they're the best of a bad lot.
The Sprint Treo 600 I had was a great PDA but it was also the worst cell phone I've ever used. Voice quality was horrible, the speakerphone was useless, sleazy Sprint tried to hide the data showing minute usage (eventually someone figured out how to display this info) and the phone's consruction was flimsy.
I think Palm is using a different manufacturer for the Treo 650, so hopefully they won't cut corners on construction this time.
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RE: I hated Sprint and I hated the Treo600
temporary Sprint monopoly?
The article also said that PalmOne has sold more than 660k Treo 600's, and that Sprint will phase out Treo 600's after clearing their inventory.
RE: temporary Sprint monopoly?
Totally suspect
My ideal Handheld:
Intel PXA27X
Built-In Jump Drive
Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, both superceding IRDA
Stereo and Bose Surround
480x640 Resolution with 262K OLED Colors
Any news on bluetooth use for connecting to the internet...
Sprint to date has had ONE bluetooth phone for this very reason... they dont want people to abuse unlimited vision service as an ISP replacement. So now that the Treo 650 has bluetooth... will you be able to use it via a notebook to connect to the internet?
RE: Any news on bluetooth use for connecting to the internet
"Unfortunently, Bluetooth on the Sprint unit that I had access to appears to be crippled. What Sprint has apparently done is turned off the ability for the Treo 650 to act as a modem for other devices, such as laptops or other PDAs. This is done using a Bluetooth profile called Dial Up Networking."...
A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.
Sprint fears Bluetooth.
Sprint to date has had ONE bluetooth phone for this very reason... they dont want people to abuse unlimited vision service as an ISP replacement. So now that the Treo 650 has bluetooth... will you be able to use it via a notebook to connect to the internet?
Sprint sells a data plan for laptops + doesn't want you turning your $15 Vision service into a Bluetooth modem for your laptop. I'm still amazed the Sony Ericsson T608 (Sprint Bluetooth phone) ever was released. I expect they'll either crack down on data transfers or cripple Bluetooth as has been suggested above. This would lead to a cottage industry of flashing phones to re-enable Bluetooth. But the new memory format Palm's using might make this difficult. Those of us at Treocentral that were involved in hacking the Treo 600 earlier this year love a challenge. ;-)
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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
RE: Any news on bluetooth use for connecting to the internet...
My ideal Handheld:
Intel PXA27X
Built-In Jump Drive
Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, both superceding IRDA
Stereo and Bose Surround
480x640 Resolution with 262K OLED Colors
RE: Any news on bluetooth use for connecting to the internet...
T650 would use this capability (though it's better to have, than have not). Sprint isn't going to be adversely affected by the few of us who will. I know that they could always go back on their word, but I think Sprint understands they have more to gain by keeping us loyal than they do by dissing us. Links to their response to the bluetooth rumors:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5825
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/481-1.htm
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Think I am going to have to switch from my T3.. I am tired of carrying two devices.