Comments on: palmOne to Release Zire 72s Special Edition

Gekko and others...too many others.

I am really beginning, really, to wonder about the overall intelegence of many folks on this Fourm. Maybe it is an issue of maturity, but why do you feel the need to open your mouth all of the time and respond to everything? Especially considering you have such little of value to say. Are you starved for attention? Reminds of that kid in grade school who would not shut up, just to get attention.

I agree Strider, a bit of humour makes PIC that much more enjoyable to read. Now, your joke wasn't the best, but it was at least done in a good nature :)

Its the constant (and this isn't aimed at anybody in particular) smart-ass-12-year-old-mentality-sarcasm that really annoys me.

Sorry, I have/had no problems with your comments. Liked the humor actually. It is the other/many folks, like Gekko, who, for what ever reason, are compelled to opine about every posting here. Like anyone other than themselves really cares to hear this continual blathering. Is that a word?

Ooooh name calling. Why does that not surprise me.

Buck up Strider, I enjoyed the joke.

So will palmOne charge less for this model seeing as it would seem to cost them less to make it than the regular Zire 72? Or maybe they're throwing in some extra Michael Jordan software they've got lying around to justify a higher price?

Scott

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>>Well, one someone wants to criticize the intelligence of
>>another, they should really first consider their own net
>>worth, education, and intelligence first. It's only right.
>>If you're a nobody, act like it.

What would one's Net Worth have to do with evaluating another's intelligence?

LOL to the Special Edition Zire72 though...

...you'd think they could at least have fixed the camera by reinstalling hte Z71 one :-P

Alessandro

It is too typical of P1 to do something like this.

As mentioned elsewhere, look at everyone walking around sporting their Michael Jordan m100! (Look up those specs!)

I wonder if Michael still uses his?

I'l do ya one better:

I wonder how many Palm m100s are actually still operating and being used on a daily basis?

Gekko replies:

>>>"What would one's Net Worth have to do with evaluating >>>another's intelligence?"
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>>By definition, the rich are smart and the poor are dumb.

Ah! Got it! Thanks!

So let's see if I understand and can apply it to a practical situation...

Your answer above was dumb... ...therefore you MUST be poor.

Right?

Alessandro

The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons and what I do, stock and real estate speculation. It's bull****. You got ninety percent of the American public out there with little or no net worth. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal. The news, war, peace, famine, upheaval, the price of a paperclip - we pick that rabbit out of the hat and everyone sits around wondering how the hell we did it. It's the free market - and you're part of it.

Oh, it was just a movie. I thought he meant real life. Sorry, my bad.

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- Steve Smith

I just read the HP HX4700 ipaq posted at Brighthand. Man that thing just left me with a comfortable feeling.Here's why:
I have found Brighthand to be quite PPC biased. Maybe it is just me but what can I do. Bearing this in mind, I am quite accustomed to find not-so-positive reviews for Palms. However the review made to HP's top-notch-VGA-state-of-the-art-US$650 iPaq showed A LOT of problems! I'll take a few pearls I found on the article:
1.- "It doesn't matter if you are using the Default Layout or the Desktop Layout; the hx4700 still doesn't display much more than a QVGA Pocket PC does on the same setting."
2.- "Even with the global text size on the same setting on both machines, when I open the same spreadsheet in Pocket Excel, my QVGA Dell Axim X30 actually shows more rows and columns than the hx4700 does." The X30 is 320x240 while the HX4700 is 640x480.
3.- "This iPAQ has 64 MB of RAM. This is somewhat surprising; I really expected a handheld this expensive to have 128 MB of RAM." US$650 and only 64Mb? and I thought Palm was cheap...
4.- "Also, if you are a game player, the hx4700 isn't for you. The trackpad is basically unusable for playing games." Sony's jog-dial, anyone?
5.- "The hx4700 comes with Pocket Office, allowing you to view and edit Microsoft Word and Excel files. But be careful about these; they don't support all the formatting the full desktop versions do and will remove from the file any formatting element they don't support." WILL REMOVE THE FORMATTING FROM THE DESKTOP FILE!!!! are you for real????
6.- "The hx4700 has a larger standard battery than any other VGA Pocket PC: 1800 mAh.
With the backlight on half power (which I find quite viewable), this iPAQ's battery lasted me almost 6 hours, which is outstanding." 6 outstanding hours (Who said BIAS?????) Why not compare it with sony's TH55, hell even with the T3!!!
7.- "Unortunately, the semi-soft plastic that acts as a hinge isn't as flexible as it needs to be. This makes the flipcover somewhat hard to get out of the way when you're trying use the hx4700." Oh my God, what would PIC forum say about a Palm with this problem...

All in all, I am relieved to see that the PPC world also has a lot of problems. In fact with this review I tend to think that problems found on a Palm PDA are way easier to solve than what you get in the other side.

Palms just work and that is what I like, of course features and stuff are also important but, for me, it just comes down to "workability" as the primary issue. What will I do with a super sized PPC with all the features listed in the box but with the above problems waiting for me?

The other part of my relief comes from my guess that PPC is increasing their share thanks to a better marketing strategy rather than a better product.

Maybe I am a little biased, but what the hell, I am also relieved.

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Current fan of a 480x640 tablet shaped Palm with built in BT+Wifi for less than US$400

The rich get richer because they continue to do things that make them richer. The poor get poorer because they continue to do things that make them poorer. By definition, the poor are dumb. Hence, your net worth is a good indication of your intelligence. Numbers don't lie. Note that "intelligence" means making intelligent decisions - not necessarily being educated. There are a lot of educated but "dumb" paupers out there. The world is filled with educated derelicts.

>"NOW you cough up that the rich are smarter because they have MONEY?!"

No - the rich have money BECAUSE they're smart.

Look at a guy like MikeCon. He's poor because of all of the dumb decisions he's made in his life - and will continue to make. Of course MikeCon supports socialist politicians - because he wants them to save him from his own bad decision making - and he wants them to PUNISH those that make good decisions, sacrifice, save/invest, and work hard and redistribute their wealth to him. The great irony is a guy like MikeCon *THINKS* he's smart. But if he was really smart, he wouldn't be poor.

1. Wealth can be achieved by acting smarter - and not necessarily having to work harder. This is what the poor fail to understand.

2. Building wealth and building IQ can both be achieved simultaneously. The accumulation of one does not necessarily inhibit the accumulation of the other.

3. Building wealth and having free time can both be achieved simultaneously. In fact, wealth helps you have more free time because it allows you to work less.

4. The Matrix was a silly, stupid movie.

The definition of insanity is "doing the same thing yet expecting different results." If you keep doing the same thing, you will keep getting the same results. If the results you are getting are ideal, then congratulations, you are doing great, and I am not being facetious when I say that I am happy for you. However, I have never met anyone who thought they had enough money. If you feel that you could be better off if you had been wiser with your money, then you will have to change something to get different results. It may not be a great change, but some change will be necessary.

Gekko,

Rich people get richer because they are greedy and have no respect for life, people, or things that acutally have meaning in life. They backstab, steal, and cheat because they lack personality or true quality. The sad thing is, people like you will even sue their own family. Their money makes up for all that they don't have. In the end your rich self will be choking on the same poisonous gases, water, and food we poor or middle class will be, and all while staring at your precious pile of numbers wondering why it won't save your stupid arse. When you take your bank account figures away from you, what do you have to offer to someone or life? Maybe one day the Whites will experience reality biting them in the arse, but hopefully it will not be at the expense of all those who actually appreciate life and want to contribute to all of mankind - not their wallets.

That from a Caucasian too.

So please, go sit in your over priced car or house that makes up for your lack of manhood, count your numbers and keep your irrelevant comments to yourself.

Finally, to quote Buju: "knowledge begins with humbleness" not net worth.

Best regards,

Jason

They are... thick as a lump of 6 by 2

That's what centuries of inbreeding will get you. The first few kings and queens were likely pretty clever, but after a few centuries of marrying 1st cousins (+ even closer relatives) they've ended up with a family full of Prince Charles village idiot types. The irony isn't lost on his poor Mumsy...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/news/7oclocknews/features/scandals_071103.shtml

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It might not be inovation, but it is good marketing on PalmOnes part. Throw those two magic words "Special edition" onto any prodcut and joe public sees it as a completely new product. Just look at the new SE black iPod if you don't believe that.

As long as they sell this through regular stores, this should give the Zire 72 a nice boost in sales. hmmm... I might even pick one up now as I was staying away from it b/c of the blue fleck paint.

This looks like what Volkswagen did before the old beetle died, they came up with the sport bug, champaign edition bug, Levi Edition bug, oops sorry that was AMC's Gremiln X with blue jean seats, well it died too! (In fact so did the whole company till Chrysler bought them out) But the good news was VW came back with the New Beetle 25 years later, so maybe Palm will go away for a while, do some thinking and then come back with something a bit more innovative.

"Hambug or Ba-gug, that's me.!"

As the owner of both a Jetta and a Passat in the past 3 years, I can safely say that the current VWs, while buggy, are still leagues better than any of their models from the early to mid 90s. Build quality and craftsmanship is stunning but mechanical reliability does leave something to be desired.

I actually see that as a very P1-ish situation---remember everyone calling the original T|T the BMW of handhelds upon its launch? It was so nice looking in that box and felt so solid in the hand. Then after a few months they started going flaky and everyone quickly forgot the luxury car comparisons. Same with the Moto V60 phones from a few years ago.

A fancy metal housing can bring in a lot of intitial sales due to the lust factor but it takes long-term durability (think the old X-series Thinkpads or the Tandy 1000 portable computer) to garner lasting loyalty. That's something P1 hasn't really had since the days of the Vx. I can go to an airport or a convention center at any given event and will be more likely to see PPCs, Treo 600s, IIIs, IIICs, and Vxs than I will see any Tungsten model or any newer Zire.

"VW makes junk"

And so does Palm, I think they have had more software fixes than VW has had in recalls. I have had two New Beetles, a 98 and now an 03 Turbo S and both of them have been excellent cars.

But thanks for your opinion.

"Hambug or Ba-gug, that's me.!"

I thought the original blue Zire 72 looked good... I bought it for my girlfriend for her birthday. One month later sure enough the paint was starting to peel off.... but being pretty good at body work I peeled off all the paint, covered everything except that border, and spray painted it rosy pink. She misses the rubbery feel of it, but then really likes the new colour. Too bad I didn't take a picture of it before she left back to Korea for business. I'm sure the paint will peel off eventually as I didn't know how the heck I was going to bake it without damaging the PDA, but looks nice anyway.

I think the next gen Zire 7x should totally appeal to the young gen and come in at least 5 different colours. Advertise it as a great little multimedia device, make the multimedia functions easier to use, and stress the word and excel capabilities of it. PalmOne needs to try to join this iPod generation wave, although we are a rather finicky generation to try to please. I love my Treo 600, and I am way out of their intended demographic.

No, it's basically a limited production edition of the PalmOne Zire 72, which will only be produced in limited numbers in the highest likelihood.

I pledge to the Palm-Powered community that I will seek to make a better handheld through research one day!!!

WRONG! Spy photos of the upcoming T6 are already floating around. Looks like we're going to be very very pleased at some serious innovation!
http://churchoflivingfaith.com/images/tt6.jpg

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

vesther - you're a numbskull. Learn to recognize sarcasm.

Well, at least a "new" P1 that Gekko cannot call a "pig" ;-)

It's amazing how much the change of color enhances its exterior appearance. This thing should ideally have some updated software or a moderate price drop but I am sure careful online shopping can turn up deals on one of these. A shame they didn't revise the casing to include the Athena connector. Also, I am sure that we'll see the blue model phased out sooner than later.

This at least might be a glimmer of hope for a new or refreshed model before April '05...

I agree I never really liked the blue color. Hopefully it doesn't peel.

Tungsten T3 + T610

>>>Saw one at Big Lots that was already peeling and it was bright blue underneath!

Thanks for the first laugh of the day!!

well put!

It may be well put but it is totally and absolutely fallacious at its base.

Starting epidemics requires concentrating resources on a few key areas. Connectors, Mavens, and Salesmen are responsible for starting word-of-mouth epidemics, which means. . .your resources ought to be solely concentrated on those three groups. No one else matters. -- Malcolm Gladwell [DoCoMo - Japan's Wireless Tsunami: How One Mobile Telecom Created a New Market and Became a Global Force - John Beck & Mitchell Wade; pg. 34]

POWER GEEKS started the Palm PDA sales phenomenon, NOT the average Joe who thought "PDA" was a typo for "PAD."

Why do you think WinMob market share has increased? THEY have catered to the above three groups -- recall all those confabs where MS dragooned people like Ryan and touted their new hardware and software to them? WTF has *palmOne* done to address the people who gave them their start and made their fat checks possible? NOTHING. Unless you want to count outright ALIENATION and FRUSTRATION.

"Corporate Palmone guys probably reads these forums and smile at our rants because they know we power-loving, rumor-craving, discussion-obsessed power users are just a small slice of the pie."

I'll cop to being power-loving and discussion-obsessed, but man, lay off the pie!
Everybody likes pie! -And not just a small slice either!

(pie rant)

arrrrrrr!

Dammit. Typo always crops up -- and this time in the Subj line, which I've at least fixed in this addendum...

And why BLUE???

It's COBALT Blue. Duh.

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

I always saw it as kind of a Fischer-Price "My First PDA" kind of blue.

"Don't eat the paint chips, Johnny, it's what made you buy that thing in the first place..."

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