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palmOne is set to launch a new Zire 72s Special Edition handheld that comes with a silver finish instead of the usual blue. The new model will coexist with the blue version and will be available for purchase prior to the holiday season.
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Hmmm... ;)

Strider_mt2k @ 11/15/2004 12:53:33 PM #
1) Hope there aren't any reports of blue dust found in the bottom of the packages!
2) Maybe I'm wrong, but these appear to be pre-rubbed for your convenience.
3) Sources say a kit is included the let you add your own color to flake off. Originally it was marketed as 64,000 colors, but was later changed to "thousands of colors" when the heat was on in the Palm community.

First post too... ;)

RE: Hmmm... ;)
half full @ 11/15/2004 3:06:30 PM #
Gekko and others...too many others.

I am really beginning, really, to wonder about the overall intelegence of many folks on this Fourm. Maybe it is an issue of maturity, but why do you feel the need to open your mouth all of the time and respond to everything? Especially considering you have such little of value to say. Are you starved for attention? Reminds of that kid in grade school who would not shut up, just to get attention.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
Strider_mt2k @ 11/15/2004 3:40:04 PM #
Hey, if I want to take a humorous spin on something, it's within my right to do it.

If it's okay to totally flame on these comments, then a little humor isn't a bad thing either.

One thing I've learned here at PIC is that you take the bad with the good, so relax and be glad it wasn't worse.
At least I didn't resort to name calling or personal attacks, so if you want to lump me in with those guys, you can just plain lump it!

I reserve the right to differ and to bear satire.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
statik @ 11/15/2004 3:47:18 PM #
I agree Strider, a bit of humour makes PIC that much more enjoyable to read. Now, your joke wasn't the best, but it was at least done in a good nature :)

Its the constant (and this isn't aimed at anybody in particular) smart-ass-12-year-old-mentality-sarcasm that really annoys me.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
adamsmark @ 11/15/2004 3:57:22 PM #
I think Palm needs to examine the meaning of Special Edition.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
half full @ 11/15/2004 3:58:16 PM #
Sorry, I have/had no problems with your comments. Liked the humor actually. It is the other/many folks, like Gekko, who, for what ever reason, are compelled to opine about every posting here. Like anyone other than themselves really cares to hear this continual blathering. Is that a word?

RE: Hmmm... ;)
Gekko @ 11/15/2004 4:19:06 PM #
>"I am really beginning, really, to wonder about the overall intelegence of many folks on this Fourm"

half wit - why don't you post something even remotely interesting or entertaining rather than simply criticize my posts. You bring nothing to the table. Also, learn how to spell "intelligence" before you crticize the intelligence of others, dummy.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
half full @ 11/15/2004 6:34:24 PM #
Ooooh name calling. Why does that not surprise me.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
drw @ 11/15/2004 7:19:54 PM #
Every good PIC thread turns into a spelling BEE and grammatical inquisition. :)

The special edition looks like the demo model at Fry's Electronics in Austin Tx of which the blue paint was rubbed/flaked off a long time ago.

I'm not believing OS6 is going to turn 1 year old and have no models running it. What happened to those BeOS programmers?


RE: Hmmm... ;)
Scott R @ 11/15/2004 9:14:46 PM #
Buck up Strider, I enjoyed the joke.

So will palmOne charge less for this model seeing as it would seem to cost them less to make it than the regular Zire 72? Or maybe they're throwing in some extra Michael Jordan software they've got lying around to justify a higher price?

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RE: Hmmm... ;)
Gekko @ 11/15/2004 10:48:51 PM #
>"Every good PIC thread turns into a spelling BEE and grammatical inquisition. :)"

Well, one someone wants to criticize the intelligence of another, they should really first consider their own net worth, education, and intelligence first. It's only right. If you're a nobody, act like it.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
whitemiata @ 11/15/2004 11:18:59 PM #
>>Well, one someone wants to criticize the intelligence of
>>another, they should really first consider their own net
>>worth, education, and intelligence first. It's only right.
>>If you're a nobody, act like it.

What would one's Net Worth have to do with evaluating another's intelligence?

LOL to the Special Edition Zire72 though...'d think they could at least have fixed the camera by reinstalling hte Z71 one :-P


RE: Hmmm... ;)
otter @ 11/16/2004 5:45:40 AM #
I'm wondering about the intelligence - or lack thereof - at PalmNone. They're supposedly getting spanked in market share by MS, who have smartphones coming out seemingly every other day, yet Palm releases this "special edition" repackaged crap. There's only 1 recent Palm smartphone, a couple others that are outdated, and at least one - the Samsung i550, which I've been waiting for for months - that seems to be nowhere in sight.

Gee, I wonder why MS market share is increasing?! I may be joining that crowd soon if these bozos keep it up.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
Strider_mt2k @ 11/16/2004 6:38:26 AM #
It is too typical of P1 to do something like this.

As mentioned elsewhere, look at everyone walking around sporting their Michael Jordan m100! (Look up those specs!)

I wonder if Michael still uses his?

I'l do ya one better:

I wonder how many Palm m100s are actually still operating and being used on a daily basis?

RE: Hmmm... ;)
Gekko @ 11/16/2004 9:31:02 AM #
>"What would one's Net Worth have to do with evaluating another's intelligence?"

By definition, the rich are smart and the poor are dumb.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
whitemiata @ 11/16/2004 1:36:18 PM #
Gekko replies:

>>>"What would one's Net Worth have to do with evaluating >>>another's intelligence?"
>>By definition, the rich are smart and the poor are dumb.

Ah! Got it! Thanks!

So let's see if I understand and can apply it to a practical situation...

Your answer above was dumb... ...therefore you MUST be poor.



RE: Hmmm... ;)
G M Fude @ 11/16/2004 4:13:07 PM #
>"By definition, the rich are smart and the poor are dumb."

Just so wrong on so many levels.

By what definition? For goodness sake. You're on your own little planet.

- Steve Smith

RE: Hmmm... ;)
Gekko @ 11/16/2004 6:28:50 PM #

The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons and what I do, stock and real estate speculation. It's bull****. You got ninety percent of the American public out there with little or no net worth. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal. The news, war, peace, famine, upheaval, the price of a paperclip - we pick that rabbit out of the hat and everyone sits around wondering how the hell we did it. It's the free market - and you're part of it.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
Alpha1220 @ 11/16/2004 6:35:59 PM #
Excellent quote from Wallstreet, one of my favorite movies, although the large cell phone at the end somehow makes me contemplate more about the folly of ever thinking that 'on top' a static state of being rather than a constant struggle and movement.

In other, more relevant news, Palm continues to ... I don't even know anymore. I ... I think I may have just given up on trying to understand it. It just doesn't make sense. Or, it does and I just don't understand the consumption functions of the market for handheld devices.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
G M Fude @ 11/16/2004 6:54:39 PM #
Oh, it was just a movie. I thought he meant real life. Sorry, my bad.

- Steve Smith
RE: Hmmm... ;)
svrontis @ 11/16/2004 10:25:34 PM #
Don't be hard on yourself, Gekko. Speculation is a valid (and important) economic function. It makes markets work better and, ultimately, market signals are vital to the proper allocation of resources for our whole economy. Put it this way, your speculative activities are much more important that my paper-shuffling.

To all of you PPC lovers...
a3 @ 11/17/2004 8:32:02 AM #
I just read the HP HX4700 ipaq posted at Brighthand. Man that thing just left me with a comfortable feeling.Here's why:
I have found Brighthand to be quite PPC biased. Maybe it is just me but what can I do. Bearing this in mind, I am quite accustomed to find not-so-positive reviews for Palms. However the review made to HP's top-notch-VGA-state-of-the-art-US$650 iPaq showed A LOT of problems! I'll take a few pearls I found on the article:
1.- "It doesn't matter if you are using the Default Layout or the Desktop Layout; the hx4700 still doesn't display much more than a QVGA Pocket PC does on the same setting."
2.- "Even with the global text size on the same setting on both machines, when I open the same spreadsheet in Pocket Excel, my QVGA Dell Axim X30 actually shows more rows and columns than the hx4700 does." The X30 is 320x240 while the HX4700 is 640x480.
3.- "This iPAQ has 64 MB of RAM. This is somewhat surprising; I really expected a handheld this expensive to have 128 MB of RAM." US$650 and only 64Mb? and I thought Palm was cheap...
4.- "Also, if you are a game player, the hx4700 isn't for you. The trackpad is basically unusable for playing games." Sony's jog-dial, anyone?
5.- "The hx4700 comes with Pocket Office, allowing you to view and edit Microsoft Word and Excel files. But be careful about these; they don't support all the formatting the full desktop versions do and will remove from the file any formatting element they don't support." WILL REMOVE THE FORMATTING FROM THE DESKTOP FILE!!!! are you for real????
6.- "The hx4700 has a larger standard battery than any other VGA Pocket PC: 1800 mAh.
With the backlight on half power (which I find quite viewable), this iPAQ's battery lasted me almost 6 hours, which is outstanding." 6 outstanding hours (Who said BIAS?????) Why not compare it with sony's TH55, hell even with the T3!!!
7.- "Unortunately, the semi-soft plastic that acts as a hinge isn't as flexible as it needs to be. This makes the flipcover somewhat hard to get out of the way when you're trying use the hx4700." Oh my God, what would PIC forum say about a Palm with this problem...

All in all, I am relieved to see that the PPC world also has a lot of problems. In fact with this review I tend to think that problems found on a Palm PDA are way easier to solve than what you get in the other side.

Palms just work and that is what I like, of course features and stuff are also important but, for me, it just comes down to "workability" as the primary issue. What will I do with a super sized PPC with all the features listed in the box but with the above problems waiting for me?

The other part of my relief comes from my guess that PPC is increasing their share thanks to a better marketing strategy rather than a better product.

Maybe I am a little biased, but what the hell, I am also relieved.

Current fan of a 480x640 tablet shaped Palm with built in BT+Wifi for less than US$400

RE: Hmmm... ;)
Gekko @ 11/17/2004 9:01:49 AM #

Windows Mobile 2005 is coming soon. It *could* be the death knell for Palm.

We'll see.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
Gekko @ 11/17/2004 9:06:47 AM #

The rich get richer because they continue to do things that make them richer. The poor get poorer because they continue to do things that make them poorer. By definition, the poor are dumb. Hence, your net worth is a good indication of your intelligence. Numbers don't lie. Note that "intelligence" means making intelligent decisions - not necessarily being educated. There are a lot of educated but "dumb" paupers out there. The world is filled with educated derelicts.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
mikecane @ 11/17/2004 9:18:50 AM #
>>>If you're a nobody, act like it.

Hey, Gekko, that's never stopped YOU.

First we get Divine Intervention is responsible for Bush being our President.

NOW you cough up that the rich are smarter because they have MONEY?!

Yo, dogg, I could drag your white hiney to some b-boys whose bank accounts would dwarf YOURS. And they ain't got no edumacation, b. They be drug dealers, mofo. Now take your hysterically stoopid pale ass outta here.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
Gekko @ 11/17/2004 9:40:45 AM #
>"NOW you cough up that the rich are smarter because they have MONEY?!"

No - the rich have money BECAUSE they're smart.

Look at a guy like MikeCon. He's poor because of all of the dumb decisions he's made in his life - and will continue to make. Of course MikeCon supports socialist politicians - because he wants them to save him from his own bad decision making - and he wants them to PUNISH those that make good decisions, sacrifice, save/invest, and work hard and redistribute their wealth to him. The great irony is a guy like MikeCon *THINKS* he's smart. But if he was really smart, he wouldn't be poor.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
whitemiata @ 11/17/2004 2:43:37 PM #
>>The rich get richer because they continue to do things that
>>make them richer. The poor get poorer because they continue to
>>do things that make them poorer. By definition, the poor are
>>dumb. Hence, your net worth is a good indication of your
>>intelligence. Numbers don't lie. Note that "intelligence"
>>means making intelligent decisions - not necessarily being
>>educated. There are a lot of educated but "dumb" paupers out
>>there. The world is filled with educated derelicts.

There's an underlying assumption in your post(s) that the #1 goal is accumulation of wealth.

So here are a few thoughts for you to ponder:

#1. Efficiency is NOT about maximum output. Efficiency is about maximizing returns with minimum efforts. Everyone I know who is wealthy AND has built their wealth, with a few notable (and very admired by me) exceptions, works much harder than I do. That's not a sign of intelligence. Not if they talk about the day when they'll retire and spend time with the kids, anyway.

#2. My Net Worth today, while maybe insignificant compared to the 1% you speak of, is ENORMOUSLY larger than it was 5 years ago. How many points has my IQ grown in the process?

#3. What if your goal in life is to maximize your free time, maximize the ability to spend time with friends and family and to enjoy the world, and who gives a rat's a$$ if you never own a new car. How is that an unintelligent decision?

#4. Much of the concept behind the "Matrix" movie can be applied to the *reality* we live in (no, not the robots controlling us etc. etc. etc. ... the idea that there is a *Virtual* reality built by society to enforce adherence to a flawed model of life). AKA most folks are living a lie. Most folks realize they are living said lie on the last days of their lives. Typically those who are close to said people, in those moments say things like "NOW I REALIZE WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN LIFE, I WILL STOP WORRYING ABOUT SUCCESS AND MONEY AND MATERIAL THINGS AND CONCENTRATE ON HUMAN CONTACT AND OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT REALLY ENRICH ME" ... then they all fall back asleep and go back to doing exactly what they were, until another death wakes them up. I would venture to say that while the richer folks probably get to that day more comfortably, there's no indication that they're any less likely to live in the same lie.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
Gekko @ 11/17/2004 3:02:10 PM #

1. Wealth can be achieved by acting smarter - and not necessarily having to work harder. This is what the poor fail to understand.

2. Building wealth and building IQ can both be achieved simultaneously. The accumulation of one does not necessarily inhibit the accumulation of the other.

3. Building wealth and having free time can both be achieved simultaneously. In fact, wealth helps you have more free time because it allows you to work less.

4. The Matrix was a silly, stupid movie.

The definition of insanity is "doing the same thing yet expecting different results." If you keep doing the same thing, you will keep getting the same results. If the results you are getting are ideal, then congratulations, you are doing great, and I am not being facetious when I say that I am happy for you. However, I have never met anyone who thought they had enough money. If you feel that you could be better off if you had been wiser with your money, then you will have to change something to get different results. It may not be a great change, but some change will be necessary.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
mikecane @ 11/17/2004 7:17:06 PM #
Gekko, pal. As a wallet-worshipper, you probably knelt at the altar of Ayn Rand. pretty smart, dame, wouldn't you say? When she died, she left an estate of just $500K cash. Did *that* reflect her intelligence?

As for me allegedly being poor and you allegedly being, uh, financially better off -- well, if others here were as "well off" as you, I'm certain they'd have better things to do than post HERE. (Sorry, Ryan!)

Man, look at all the posts here from Donald Trump, Steve Jobs, Steve Ballmer, Bill Gates -- and even Jeff Hawkins and Donna Dubinsky!

RE: Hmmm... ;)
celticmagick @ 11/17/2004 7:56:08 PM #

Rich people get richer because they are greedy and have no respect for life, people, or things that acutally have meaning in life. They backstab, steal, and cheat because they lack personality or true quality. The sad thing is, people like you will even sue their own family. Their money makes up for all that they don't have. In the end your rich self will be choking on the same poisonous gases, water, and food we poor or middle class will be, and all while staring at your precious pile of numbers wondering why it won't save your stupid arse. When you take your bank account figures away from you, what do you have to offer to someone or life? Maybe one day the Whites will experience reality biting them in the arse, but hopefully it will not be at the expense of all those who actually appreciate life and want to contribute to all of mankind - not their wallets.

That from a Caucasian too.

So please, go sit in your over priced car or house that makes up for your lack of manhood, count your numbers and keep your irrelevant comments to yourself.

Finally, to quote Buju: "knowledge begins with humbleness" not net worth.

Best regards,


Rich are smart, Poor are dumb...
lobsta @ 12/20/2004 6:00:38 AM #
Look at the English sovereignty if you want an example of the rich are smart. They are absolutely loaded and thick as a lump of 6 by 2. Suppose that wee wee's on your bonfire just a smidgin' doesn't it?

"Unlike some other Robin Hoods, I can speak with an English accent"

RE: Hmmm... ;)
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 12/20/2004 6:32:45 AM #
They are... thick as a lump of 6 by 2

That's what centuries of inbreeding will get you. The first few kings and queens were likely pretty clever, but after a few centuries of marrying 1st cousins (+ even closer relatives) they've ended up with a family full of Prince Charles village idiot types. The irony isn't lost on his poor Mumsy...


Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

RE: Hmmm... ;)
cstamper @ 12/18/2007 10:40:49 AM #
Wow. You all sure get OT quickly...



Gekko @ 11/15/2004 1:26:30 PM #

Now that's INNOVATION! How can MSFT/DELL/HP ever hope to compete???

RE: Innovation!
EdH @ 11/15/2004 2:09:11 PM #
Maybe Dell can get Michael Jordan to do a X50mj Axim or something. Oh, wait. Palm already did that. Ok, how about Claudia Schiffer? That would sell like gangbusters!!

RE: Innovation!
statik @ 11/15/2004 2:53:55 PM #
It might not be inovation, but it is good marketing on PalmOnes part. Throw those two magic words "Special edition" onto any prodcut and joe public sees it as a completely new product. Just look at the new SE black iPod if you don't believe that.

As long as they sell this through regular stores, this should give the Zire 72 a nice boost in sales. hmmm... I might even pick one up now as I was staying away from it b/c of the blue fleck paint.

RE: Innovation?
Strider_mt2k @ 11/16/2004 6:46:09 AM #
I have to admit, I took a liking to the "Limited Edition" Classic NES Game Boy Advance SP!

But it's different somehow when Nintendo does it.

RE: Innovation!
Ba-gug @ 11/16/2004 11:51:17 AM #
This looks like what Volkswagen did before the old beetle died, they came up with the sport bug, champaign edition bug, Levi Edition bug, oops sorry that was AMC's Gremiln X with blue jean seats, well it died too! (In fact so did the whole company till Chrysler bought them out) But the good news was VW came back with the New Beetle 25 years later, so maybe Palm will go away for a while, do some thinking and then come back with something a bit more innovative.

"Hambug or Ba-gug, that's me.!"
RE: Innovation!
hkklife @ 11/16/2004 2:22:37 PM #
As the owner of both a Jetta and a Passat in the past 3 years, I can safely say that the current VWs, while buggy, are still leagues better than any of their models from the early to mid 90s. Build quality and craftsmanship is stunning but mechanical reliability does leave something to be desired.

I actually see that as a very P1-ish situation---remember everyone calling the original T|T the BMW of handhelds upon its launch? It was so nice looking in that box and felt so solid in the hand. Then after a few months they started going flaky and everyone quickly forgot the luxury car comparisons. Same with the Moto V60 phones from a few years ago.

A fancy metal housing can bring in a lot of intitial sales due to the lust factor but it takes long-term durability (think the old X-series Thinkpads or the Tandy 1000 portable computer) to garner lasting loyalty. That's something P1 hasn't really had since the days of the Vx. I can go to an airport or a convention center at any given event and will be more likely to see PPCs, Treo 600s, IIIs, IIICs, and Vxs than I will see any Tungsten model or any newer Zire.

RE: Innovation!
Gekko @ 11/16/2004 2:32:46 PM #

I wish Lexus made a PDA.

RE: Innovation!
Ba-gug @ 11/16/2004 9:51:21 PM #
"VW makes junk"

And so does Palm, I think they have had more software fixes than VW has had in recalls. I have had two New Beetles, a 98 and now an 03 Turbo S and both of them have been excellent cars.

But thanks for your opinion.

"Hambug or Ba-gug, that's me.!"

Call me crazy

M3wThr33 @ 11/15/2004 2:44:16 PM #
But I think it should be "affected."

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.

Looks better than T5!

GearHead @ 11/15/2004 2:55:53 PM #
Wow! What a unit? Such an innovation!

After loosing all the market share to PPC, now they loosing their minds as well.

What is next a U2 edition to charge extra $50.

Get a life guys...

Hell it looks much better than new T5...


Palm III>Palm IIIx>PalmV>PalmVx>Palm m505>Palm M515>Tungsten T
Dell X30 624Mhz w/BT+Wi-Fi
Nokia 6600 w/BT

I Like the new colour!
dmacdonald95 @ 11/15/2004 4:11:52 PM #
It was the Z72's colour, and the T5's high price that drove me away from them, now that the Z72 is in Silver I'll probably pick one up, although I don't know why they would charge more for it...I think thats just a cheap attempt at a revenue boost...but them again, I'm not running a multi-million dollar handheld business either ;-)

Palm Zire -> Palm Zire 31 (in a few weeks ;-))
RE: Looks better than T5!
dona83 @ 11/16/2004 10:51:48 PM #
I thought the original blue Zire 72 looked good... I bought it for my girlfriend for her birthday. One month later sure enough the paint was starting to peel off.... but being pretty good at body work I peeled off all the paint, covered everything except that border, and spray painted it rosy pink. She misses the rubbery feel of it, but then really likes the new colour. Too bad I didn't take a picture of it before she left back to Korea for business. I'm sure the paint will peel off eventually as I didn't know how the heck I was going to bake it without damaging the PDA, but looks nice anyway.

I think the next gen Zire 7x should totally appeal to the young gen and come in at least 5 different colours. Advertise it as a great little multimedia device, make the multimedia functions easier to use, and stress the word and excel capabilities of it. PalmOne needs to try to join this iPod generation wave, although we are a rather finicky generation to try to please. I love my Treo 600, and I am way out of their intended demographic.

It's the T6 !

rikster @ 11/15/2004 4:13:41 PM #
Wow, palmOne have released the T6 !

RE: It's the T6 !
vesther @ 11/15/2004 6:40:14 PM #
No, it's basically a limited production edition of the PalmOne Zire 72, which will only be produced in limited numbers in the highest likelihood.

I pledge to the Palm-Powered community that I will seek to make a better handheld through research one day!!!
RE: It's the T6 !
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/15/2004 7:06:56 PM #
Vesther: Life is like a box of chocolates... What is your native language? (It's obviously not English)

Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

RE: It's the T6 !
LiveFaith @ 11/15/2004 9:44:28 PM #
WRONG! Spy photos of the upcoming T6 are already floating around. Looks like we're going to be very very pleased at some serious innovation!

Pat Horne;
RE: It's the T6 !
dmacdonald95 @ 11/16/2004 10:52:08 AM #
Yeah, your "spy" picture of the "T6", looks more like a painted Z31. Like that one guy said about painting his Pilot orange, it CAN be done, and with a little image editin', you got yourself a T6 ;-)

Palm Zire -> Palm Zire 31 (in a few weeks ;-))

NO WiFi and Cobalt???

Gekko @ 11/15/2004 4:25:10 PM #

NO WiFi and Cobalt???


RE: NO WiFi and Cobalt???
vesther @ 11/15/2004 6:41:08 PM #
Relax kiddo, this LE Zire 72 is based on the Zire 72 on the same factor, so it's only natural that this does not have Wi-Fi or Cobalt, though this handheld will work well with palmOne's SDIO Wi-Fi Card.

I pledge to the Palm-Powered community that I will seek to make a better handheld through research one day!!!
RE: NO WiFi and Cobalt???
Gekko @ 11/15/2004 10:51:30 PM #

vesther - you're a numbskull. Learn to recognize sarcasm.

RE: NO WiFi and Cobalt???
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/16/2004 4:25:03 AM #
Geeko, read his previous posts and signatures. Vest-Man is not from around here (Earth). Give him a break.

"I pledge to the Palm-Powered community that I will seek to make a better handheld through research one day!!!"
- Forrest Gump (2004)

Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

RE: NO WiFi and Cobalt???
hkklife @ 11/16/2004 9:05:36 AM #
Well, at least a "new" P1 that Gekko cannot call a "pig" ;-)

It's amazing how much the change of color enhances its exterior appearance. This thing should ideally have some updated software or a moderate price drop but I am sure careful online shopping can turn up deals on one of these. A shame they didn't revise the casing to include the Athena connector. Also, I am sure that we'll see the blue model phased out sooner than later.

This at least might be a glimmer of hope for a new or refreshed model before April '05...

Looks 1007.2 times better!

Captain Hair @ 11/15/2004 5:11:33 PM #
I have to say, the blue finish of the Z72 really turned me off. Now with a silver case, it has a professional exterior to go with its excellent interior. Should have been like this from the beginning, but hey, hindsight is 20/20.

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."
RE: Looks 1007.2 times better!
tooele @ 11/15/2004 6:25:49 PM #
I agree I never really liked the blue color. Hopefully it doesn't peel.

Tungsten T3 + T610
RE: Looks 1007.2 times better!
LiveFaith @ 11/15/2004 9:47:38 PM #
Saw one at Big Lots that was already peeling and it was bright blue underneath!

Pat Horne;
RE: Looks 1007.2 times better!
mikecane @ 11/17/2004 9:17:23 AM #
>>>Saw one at Big Lots that was already peeling and it was bright blue underneath!

Thanks for the first laugh of the day!!


tritan @ 11/15/2004 8:25:20 PM #
Nice cover up Palmone!!! Now watch the T5 special edition with OS 6!!!

May the Palm os be with you

My turn at a little humor...

JohnM @ 11/15/2004 9:52:14 PM #
OK, the article says "it comes with a silver finish". It
doesn't state that the finish lasts, however. :)

I have only read about the zire 72 finish peeling, in
fact I have never seen or held a real zire, so I'm not

On another note, I once painted a PalmPilot Pro, bright
flourescent orange (after removing the electronics), and
used it that way for about a year. Many people thought it
was pretty cool, but one day, after I had converted to a
new m100, I scraped all the paint off, which was actually
pretty easy. I removed all traces of the orange, except
for the small recessed rectangle on the back. I gave it to
a friend who refused to believe it was once orange until he
saw the back.

Anyway, I love my Palm IIIc's inherently black color and

Independent Palm Software Developer

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joej @ 11/16/2004 10:07:25 AM #
These comments crack me up with all the negativity and sarcasm. I am typing this at 10 wpm lest I make a typo and get blasted for it. Most of us are power-users that have owned multiple palms and read PIC daily. Most palm users I know are carrying older stuff - I saw a Vx last week - and have no clue what PIC is. Mostly I see people with Visors, m5xx's, Clies, TE's. Palm phones and TTx's are still mostly rare (I don't work in a large corporation, though). When I talk to most Palm users I come off sounding like some freak because I know so much (and I owe it all to PIC and you all). Most Palm users actually LISTEN to Best Buy employees and CAN'T tell truth from fiction (no offense to BB people - I know some PIC-reading BB people DO know what's up). The average palm user might think the 72s is cool. I kind of like it with the blue finish gone. I am sure that PalmOne knows EXACTLY how many of each past model are out there and which users are likely to upgrade to which feature set. They do marketing research - they are not stupid. Corporate Palmone guys probably reads these forums and smile at our rants because they know we power-loving, rumor-craving, discussion-obsessed power users are just a small slice of the pie. Their survival as a company does not lie with making a high-end device for the power-user but with devices for the average american and corporate america. I think they have made some progress along these lines but, more work DOES need to be done.

Newton. Sharp Mobilon. Psion 5, 5mx. Visor Deluxe. Clie N760. Palm Personal, III, T, T2, T3. SE t68i on T-Mo.
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Admin @ 11/16/2004 12:19:55 PM #
well put!
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batmon @ 11/16/2004 4:57:55 PM #
I guess this is why I still can't adjust myself to upgrade my m505...

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mikecane @ 11/17/2004 9:11:29 AM #
It may be well put but it is totally and absolutely fallacious at its base.

Starting epidemics requires concentrating resources on a few key areas. Connectors, Mavens, and Salesmen are responsible for starting word-of-mouth epidemics, which means. . .your resources ought to be solely concentrated on those three groups. No one else matters. -- Malcolm Gladwell [DoCoMo - Japan's Wireless Tsunami: How One Mobile Telecom Created a New Market and Became a Global Force - John Beck & Mitchell Wade; pg. 34]

POWER GEEKS started the Palm PDA sales phenomenon, NOT the average Joe who thought "PDA" was a typo for "PAD."

Why do you think WinMob market share has increased? THEY have catered to the above three groups -- recall all those confabs where MS dragooned people like Ryan and touted their new hardware and software to them? WTF has *palmOne* done to address the people who gave them their start and made their fat checks possible? NOTHING. Unless you want to count outright ALIENATION and FRUSTRATION.

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lobsta @ 12/20/2004 6:07:47 AM #

Living here with a Treo 600 (low res screen, slow 120ish Mhz processor, no wifi or bluetooth, 24 meg usable memory) and probably using it for a hell of a lot more than most of you out there.

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Strider_mt2k @ 12/20/2004 8:27:20 AM #
"Corporate Palmone guys probably reads these forums and smile at our rants because they know we power-loving, rumor-craving, discussion-obsessed power users are just a small slice of the pie."

I'll cop to being power-loving and discussion-obsessed, but man, lay off the pie!
Everybody likes pie! -And not just a small slice either!

(pie rant)


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joad @ 1/4/2005 5:31:18 PM #
"I am sure that PalmOne knows EXACTLY how many of each past model are out there and which users are likely to upgrade to which feature set. They do marketing research - they are not stupid."

After seeing what they did to the Treo line inherited from Handspring I'm not so sure that the people or processes they use for their "market research" are very intelligent.

If all their "focus groups" overlooked the fact that a $600 computer-phone needs appropriate memory to run some of the "thousands of applications" PalmOne continually touts.... then my best guess is they were showing it straight out-of-the-box to busy execs and soccer moms, and they all said "ooh" and "aah" to the 320x320 screen. Reports out of the Treo roadshows had vendors portrayed as extremely angry that PalmOne released the 650 without enough memory just to demo their apps WRITTEN FOR THE PHONE!

Hopefully PalmOne will learn from the Treo 650 disaster and do some REAL "market research" with REAL smartphone users before screwing up the Treo line any further. But from talking with many other strong supporters of the Treo line thusfar, bets are on that Soccer moms, kids and busy execs are probably the only people still listened to by PalmOne. PalmOne's gotta do some purging of the "yes-men" apparently swarming their hallowed cubicles.

How much you wanna bet?

djfusion @ 11/16/2004 5:01:16 PM #
How much will someone bet against me that when the silver paint starts to peel, it's blue underneath? I hope they've impproved the build quality. I saw one at Circuit City the other day that was completely nude. P1 probably just collected the peeled-off ones and stamped their logo on it.


Nusm @ 11/16/2004 5:21:53 PM #
Funny, I *already* have one of these! I just peeled all the blue pain off of mine, and I have loved the look ever since.


KayAU @ 11/16/2004 7:19:46 PM #
...hardly a revolution, but at least it looks more attractive than the partly blue one I have.

As for "only a small percentage of units with a paint issue reported": My unit suffers from it. I didn't report it to palmOne, because I think their tech support is ludicrously bad, and I couldn't justify spending the time it would take to send them an email.

Anyway, apart from the paint, the somewhat rubbish camera, and the slightly noisy minijack output, I think the Z72 is a decent unit. Mine has served my reliably and well. I just hope the Z73 will be more than decent.


Colligan: Time to RENVENT palmOne!

mikecane @ 11/17/2004 9:04:05 AM #
If you wanna keep those fat paychecks and bonuses coming, you better heed THIS:

Now this is the ONLY instance in which I would FORGIVE p1 for going with -- the rest of you take a pill! -- WinMob. I *LOVE* MS Reader. I DESPISE eReader. And I've tried them both.

MS Reader has the largest collection of ebooks simply because ANYONE can publish on the damned format -- and for FREE. eReader is still STUPIDLY limiting publishing in their file format based on their silly DRM and ROYALTY scheme.

MS Reader is *THE* ebook format. MS Reader is the *one* *single* *reason* that justifies buying a PPC (but not NEW, used -- and cheeeeeep).

Start spitting out those $35 MS Reader devices, Ed!

RE: Colligan: Time to *REINVENT* palmOne!
mikecane @ 11/17/2004 9:08:15 AM #
Dammit. Typo always crops up -- and this time in the Subj line, which I've at least fixed in this addendum...

Was happy my 72 peeled....

DigitalMonkey @ 12/9/2004 12:19:47 AM #
I purchased my zire 72 six months ago and most of the paint peeled off in the first week of use. Once it started peeling, you had to remove it all or your palm was looking like BobaFet. I always hated the crappy blue color so I was excited to see it scrape off with use. With a little help from "Goo Off" I had the entire unit stripped down in an hour to the shiny metal housing. It looked 100% better than before. (and no ugly palm logo) Best of was a real metal plastic. Still I wish they would go back to the M505 metal shell design. The buttons on the Zire 72 are no good for game applications. But what's up with the name "Special Edition" ? It should be called Zire 72 natural or zire 72 skinless.
You think the research dept. would have tested the crappy fleck paint before they shipped it. And why BLUE???

Cobalt blue Zire 72
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 12/9/2004 3:47:40 AM #
And why BLUE???

It's COBALT Blue. Duh.

Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

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dmacdonald95 @ 12/11/2004 10:46:21 AM #
Cobalt Blue? Come on! That's certainly NOT Cobalt Blue, that's...Zire 31 blue :P Cobalt Blue, in my opinion, would be a much darker, Navy colour.

(I don't know what Cobalt blue ACTUALLY is, so all flames to /dev/null please ;-))

P.S: Sorry for the Unix remark, but the Palm OS in Linux thing has got me all excited!

Palm Zire -> Palm Zire 31

RE: Was happy my 72 peeled....
Strider_mt2k @ 12/19/2004 8:03:39 AM #
I always saw it as kind of a Fischer-Price "My First PDA" kind of blue.

"Don't eat the paint chips, Johnny, it's what made you buy that thing in the first place..."


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joad @ 1/4/2005 5:49:34 PM #
"But what's up with the name "Special Edition" ? "

Similar usage to the name "Special Olympics."

And perhaps if you EAT the flaky blue paint you can someday take your Special Edition PDA to the Special Olympics.

zire 73

palmlov @ 12/19/2004 2:52:20 AM #
When will there be zire 73 built in wi-fi,1.3 built in camera ,bluetooth,cobalt 6.1 OS ,large display.....n lots of goodies......still waiting



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