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RE: gone with Rather
RE: If
I doubt Dell will pull out of the handheld market anytime but they will scale back their offerings and focus mostly on selling the Axim to corporate customers.
HP is going to give a strong push to smartphones and will likely meet with more success there than their new venture into consumer electronics.
I don't see the Zire ling being ditched but basically scaled back to just endless minor permutations of the Z31 and Z72. Tungsten line will basically be a $200 T|E2 style model and a higher-end keyboard T|C2 wi-fi model (OS uncertain).
Tapwave was DOA. Had it been targeted as the uber-Tungsten initially and laden with all of the features the power users are begging for, we'd likely be singing a different song now. Their announcement that there won't be a new Zod until 2006 (at the earliest!) was basically the white flag being waved. An absolute pity, too.
Beyond that?
2006 will be an absolute banner year for smartphones IMHO. P1 will do ok on Treos...if they are still around in their current form at that time.
The end of simplicity
[signature0]the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse[/signature0]
[signature1]My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71.... so ends the "marathon", for now[/signature1]
RE: The end of simplicity
[signature0]the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse[/signature0]
[signature1]My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71.... so ends the "marathon", for now[/signature1]
RE: The end of simplicity
At any rate, profit margins are so impossibly razor thin for anyone selling a retail device with a licensed OS in this price range that I don't see anything below the Z31 and most future P1 units selling in the sweet spot of $150-$200.
RE: The end of simplicity
Palm has been led by Microsoft up the gadgets garden path and has lost sight of what made it succesful. I don't want a colour screen if it means I can't read ebooks in bed because my Palm has to be charging, I don't want a colour screen if it means I don't want to take my Palm with me because it's too big. For the same reasons, I don't want a camera, a 600Mhz processor, WIFI, stereo speakers, dual memory sockets, etc, etc. Give me a Vx-sized device (that means 11mm thick) with decent battery life with bluetooth and perhaps an MP3 player, and I'll buy it without hesitation. Why, when all other technology gets smaller over time, has Palm made it's PDAs bigger?
Brendan
(Palm Vx --> Palm Vx --> Palm Vx --> Palm Vx)
RE: The end of simplicity
RE: Where's Mike Cane's predictions?
My God. That was for LAST year. Oracle went with PeopleSoft. I'm sure PeopleSoft wish they had gone with the Palm package.
My one prediction: Look for a Mac Mobile or Mac2Go Sony-U-like device by year's end.
RE: Where's Mike Cane's predictions?
Then Palm breaks out hardware and software companies into separate entities
After allowing licensees, Palm re-acquires Handspring
Palm begins ditching PalmOne for Linux
Now Palm will get acquired by someone else?
Boy, if they put half the effort of their business mergers into designing an innovative product, I think we'd have something!
RE: Where's Mike Cane's predictions?
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RE: Where's Mike Cane's predictions?
Eh, SuperDrive is $100 more. You can easily use an external. It'd probably be cheaper too. Or. So. I. Hope.
RE: Where's Mike Cane's predictions?
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RE: Where's Mike Cane's predictions?
Someone got his Mini already and posted pics:
http://www.uneasysilence.com/mini/
There's a LaCie DVD/RW here with an aluminum case -- it seems bigger than the Mini, just looking at it!
RE: Where's Mike Cane's predictions?
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RE: Where's Mike Cane's predictions?
No problems viewing here at work.
Using FireFox under Win98SE
RE: Where's Mike Cane's predictions?
i think it will be fun to see what kinds of mods people do to these things. im already concidering my car.
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I love my Treo 90
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RIM unlikely to offer Palm OS device
Dell Smartphones???
I don't think that we will see this any time soon. What will Dell bring to the table that other cell phones vendors can't? The PC direct distribution model does not work in every market. So Dell will probably repackage and resell some HTC phones, and this will make the cell providers want to give up valuable customer relationship and potential profit????
I disagaree.
Unlikely that Palm will can the Zires
The last time I heard, Palm was selling more Zires than they were any other model besides the E.
"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."
Wrong, right, wrong.
There's absolutely no reason for Dell to pull out of the market, and you're wrong in assuming that they can't dominate. While they're hurt by a lack of retail presence, their sales have been climbing continuously, and they pose a noticible threat to HP and PalmOne.
I agree on embedded hard drives and the fate of Tapwave.
The chances of VGA on a Palm are almost non-existant. It would break all existing full-screen 320 x 480 software. And PalmOne is not abandoning the Zires under any circumstances. Zire sales make up a large percentage of P1's sales, and without them they would sink to second or third place.
I disagree completely on the idea that PDAs are dead. That's been the chant of prognosticators for what, two years now? Since it was first decided that smartphones would kill handhelds, smartphones have languished in the technological back woods, and handhelds have gotten cheaper, more powerful, and more common.
RE: Wrong, right, wrong.
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Ben Combee
http://palmos.combee.net - PDA programmer weblog
RE: Wrong, right, wrong.
RE: Wrong, right, wrong.
temp user - good question! I know MSFT and INTEL as well as other companies take their products and they actually build a working DEMO DEVICE to demonstrate an ACTUAL DEVICE running with their product rather than some BS simulator.
I think Cobalt is DEAD. Why? Because it's STILL not ready for prime time - to run correctly on a REAL DEVICE - AND - with the announcement of PalmLinux - it's already become OBSOLETE.
I blame this all on Eric Benahamou. This mofo hired Yankowski, Nagel, and the rest of the Apple-rejects. They all deserve to be pushed out of the industry. It's business, not personal - I hate them all.
RE: Wrong, right, wrong.
Regarding cobalt, there are some aspects that makes it dead unless a major company breath life in it because:
1. It’s version 1.0, however palmsource call it, 6.1 or what ever version they put on it, unless it's tested on a PDA or a smart-phone by a thousand of different users, and they believe in it, its only version 1.0.
2.The developers need lots of unit sold to develop for it, and considering it can run Garnet programs, I hardly see business in developing specific for cobalt, so far!
3.Palmlinux, aha, what time frame are we talking about? By that time we might have Symbian 11.0 or worst Microsoft has made significant improvement on it OS, so what would this Palmlinux offer that makes it so superior?
I am a shareholder in palmsource, all I wish now is, they take care of Garnet, witch is a truly good OS, and improve it. There is a lot of money to be made around Garnet. But again, is palmsource run by business minded people or a bunch of programmers and visionaries.
RE: Wrong, right, wrong.
Here's another thing to think about. Tapwave is beginning to shift their focus. They aren't focusing solely on gaming anymore, because they know it's only a matter of time before the big green lizard of Sonly comes lumbering in to stomp on all of their nice, pretty profits. You can already see evidence of this in the updated software releases. More changes to come.
A long development cycle for their next product doesn't concern me much either. Provided that PDA's outlive the year, and most of us think they will if the posts here are any indication, then the long cycle will not hurt them, and the resulting product has a much better chance of being rock solid and stable. This can only be good. For Tapwave, and for the industry as a whole. If they release a solid product, market it well, and leverage their retail channels, I think they may just pull off a nice little coup. It'll be tricky, though.
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Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.
RE: Wrong, right, wrong.
Listen to me very carefully...Tapwave is NEVER going to produce a "traditional" PDA? How do I know that? Because I have chatted with Byron Connell several times on the subject and he made it clear his company is not investing in the PDA space. That mmarket is dead, and profitless (his own words). Tapwave is focussing its attention on the convergence market.
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The PDA is dead, so what?
Hey guys, wake up and smell the liquid caffiene. Of course the PDA is dead and well it should die. The smartphone is the next progression of handheld computing. For my money, a handheld computing device SHOULD incorporate wireless capabilities. The very idea of selling a handheld computing device without a way of connecting to the rest of the world is just plain STUPID, just like making a handheld without a color screen. I had a Tungsten W for a while, and I'm now looking forward to getting a Treo at some point in the future. Technology always marches on.
RE: The PDA is dead, so what?
... nanotech anyone?
RE: The PDA is dead, so what?
If PDA's weren't going to be profitable, the likes of Microsoft and HP wouldn't still be giving them the time of day. Nor would Michael Dell, who although he typically does his own thing, still knows how to be profitable.
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Sean
Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.
Tungsten C replacement.
I'm excited about the possibilities for a C replacement.
I'm guessing it will have a thumb-board, since WiFi and texting/email go hand in hand. And it will have the compulsory features: SD, rechargeable battery, stylus, touch screen.
Other features are open to speculation:
- Removable battery? Possibly with an optional oversized version for extra power.
- Clamshell design?
- 320x480 screen?
- VGA screen? (Doubtful for a successful device: too much power required on top of WiFi)
- More than one SD port? It would be interesting if they put in a second port built into a niche in the outside of the case into which the Palm WiFi card would fit flush, giving you WiFi, but an extra port for file swapping when you need to.
- Cobalt? No. If they had the ability to release a usable Cobalt device, they wouldn't be moving to Linux.
"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."
The PDA is dead, long live the Handheld Computer!
The PDA as was is just evolving into the "Handheld Computer" as is.
If you look at Apple's (and the Microsoft laggard) strategy based around the "Digital Hub" it's pretty clear that the desktop metaphor and people being chained to the desk like 21st Century factory workers (albeit with a latte) is being exchanged for a more mobile lifestyle. So we see products like the iPod and digital camera's which are only of any use when based around a desktop hub (or application server) that lets us manage our stuff. Add to this an increasingly wireless environment whether it's provided by bluetooth, 802.whatever, zigbee, dinosaur telco, etc and we have the perfect conditions for a PDA renaissance.
Of course there is going to be a scuffle in the traditional mobile telco operator vs new breed VoIP operators using 802. solutions but hopefully that's all good for the users who are currently being robbed on GSM & GPRS call & data charges.
There are also so many vertical market applications for which handheld computers are perfect. These include "one per child" use in education where a handheld has many compelling advantages over laptops and tablet PC's, likewise Police, medical, military, professions.
The PDA is dead, long live the Handheld Computer!
The Handheld Learning Forum
RE: The PDA is dead, long live the Handheld Computer!
But you can already run Mac OS X on a Pocket PC
Check out:
http://teddythebear.blogspot.com/
and scroll down a bit :)
The Handheld Learning Forum
RE: The PDA is dead, long live the Handheld Computer!
http://teddythebear.blogspot.com/2004/12/macosx-on-pocketpc.html
RE: The PDA is dead, long live the Handheld Computer!
The PDA is dead???
China. 3 billion+ potential consumers.
A P1 Cobalt VGA tungsten????
You're smoking crack.
Everything else makes sense.
semantics
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gone with Rather
... and I predict Mike Cane out of here and discredited as much as Rather and company at CBS News were ax'ed this year.