Comments on: Sprint Centro Update Now Available

The Sprint Palm Centro software update 1.07 is available now on Palm's support site. The usual Windows installer and memory card update methods are available. A full data backup is recommended before proceeding. Palm says the updater should take approximately 30 minutes to complete.
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RE: went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
"cleaning up" is taking forever after the first hotsync. i stopped it the first time and now am letting it go. i hope it "cleans up" and frees up some memory!
RE: went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
after a couple of soft resets and syncs, both issues have resolved themselves.
RE: went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
What are your initial usage impressions? Is anything faster/more stable than before?
How is Google Mobile Maps location working for you?
Do you still not use Bluetooth?
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RE: went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
RE: went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
The last known classic PDA user.
I've recently upgraded from a Palm TX to a Newton MP2000!
RE: went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
1. What are your initial usage impressions?
no changes other than listed in #2 below.
2. Is anything faster/more stable than before?
Blazer seems 2X faster. stability seems the same for all apps. although each time i start it, i now get "Processing" for about 1-2 seconds before Blazer starts. It's worth it because now Blazer is much faster. Unless it's "just my imagination" as there was no documentation of such an improvement yet this "Processing..." thing is new. Blazer is now v4.5.8. what's yours? i dont have Outlook Exchange EAS hooked up yet so not sure what improvements are there. My RAM is back to 66-70% free and no crashes yet anywhere. i did microSD card update.
3. How is Google Mobile Maps location working for you?
kind of cool but i'm not sure how useful. i mean 1,100 meters range doesn't exactly pinpoint you. i have a touchscreen widescreen Lexus OEM Navigation system in my car that blows everything else away so i'm spoiled when it comes to GPS/NAV.
4. Do you still not use Bluetooth?
what for? i can't bring myself to use those Klingon earpieces and my car is 2004 so i missed BT by 1-2 model years. i use it for the occasional "send file" to another palm.
CAN I PLEASE HAVE SOME REPLIES TO THIS MESSAGE? Thanks.
RE: went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
i still don't understand all this animosity and vitriol towards the Centro. it's just as powerful as the latest Treo AND it's lighter, smaller, thinner, sleeker, and more modern looking - it rivals the BB Pearl - it makes the Treo look like a brick/dinosaur. AND Centro has Outlook EAS and My Location support etc. as well. AND it's only $99!!!!!!
What in the F do you people want?????????????
RE: went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
The Centro can tout a "real " QWERTY keyboard (albeit a tiny one), 320x320 touchscreen (albeit a tiny one), decent gaming capabilities, and lots of add-on software.
The Pearl is one of the most atrociously-styled, nigh-unusable, overhyped devices I've ever used. That crummy old BB font looks like some archaic relic from the early 90s. The Pearl's keyboard is beyond horrible IMOs, and its wacky shape/layout looks like something Dali might have come up with on a bad day. And a device the size of the Pearl is simply too small too fiddle with a tiny trackball IMO. Now, the BB Bold looks to be a superb device, as does the Thunder, but I'm still fairly unimpresed by the current-gen BB lineup, despite RIM making HUGE strides in the consumer space and in their devices' multimedia capabilities.
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RE: went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
We're just winding you up, lad.
The Centro is a Real Nice Phone. Well, once they come out with that fancy Playskool Deluxe Edition.
RE: went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
The last known classic PDA user.
I've recently upgraded from a Palm TX to a Newton MP2000!
RE: went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7xNnRBksvOU
Gekko will want that one!
No OTA update install option?
RE: No OTA update install option?
Card readers are cheap as dirt nowdays. You can get a decent generic USB 2.0 fullsize/mini/micro SDHC card drive at Wal-Mart for <$10. Go get one and enjoy the flexibility it offers. You won't regret it, especially when you move a gig or two of media from your PC to your microSD card and bypass the tedious Hotsync speeds.
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RE: No OTA update install option?
given the complexity of the update and the fact that it's doing some major overhauls, i doubt that OTA is possible. just buy a new friggin 2GB microSD Card with SD/mini Adapters for ~$20.
bluetooth?
RE: bluetooth?
Get a 21st Century car, Gekko. Geez!
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/fugly-mini-cooper-vs-cutie-smart-fortwo/
Application verions before & after?
RE: Application verions before & after?
So Palm's policy of not trying to save everyone a few precious megabytes of internal storage continues with nothing updated in ROM.
I haven't seen any reports that VM, PTunes or DTG have had their ROM versions updater either-I would highly, highly doubt it.
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RE: Application verions before & after?
tell me what apps you want to know -
Blazer is now v4.5.8 with ROM 1.07. what's yours for Treo and pre-update Centro?
RE: Application verions before & after?
Blazer: 4.5 (I believe all that 4.5.8 adds is more aggressive caching & slightly improved streaming media via the embedded Kinoma player)
VersaMail 3.5.5 is supposed to come w/ the 755p, I've got the Centro-specific 4.01 Built 77 version installed and it works great.
Messaging 2.7
Phone 2.5
The VZW ROM update didn't update GMM, Ptunes or DTG (still at 8.02) and even if it did, I still downloaded the latest versions immediately to my device.
No doubt about it, the Centro is pulling away from the Garnet Treos in regards to updated software versions (but at this point, what's the difference?).
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RE: Application verions before & after?
RE: Application verions before & after?
resync failed
Update Seems to Kill IBM Java
RE: Update Seems to Kill IBM Java
RE: Update Seems to Kill IBM Java
http://mobile.mytreo.net/forum/index.php?topic=59152.msg461834
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
And....maybe......Access (pun intended) to whatever Hawkins & co. are cooking up in the Numenta lab?
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RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
HTC could buy it. Or the Finns.
I don't know why HTC would want it.
The Finns are desperate, though. VERY desperate.
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
Hawkins says he's a former officer no matter what PALM says on their Management web page - this is a new thing, BTW, his prior filings said he was "founder and officer" but his most recent filing says "former officer" - and, of course, not a peep out of PALM about it.
Numenta is a separate company that has nothing to do with PALM and is undoubtedly where Hawkins has been and is spending most of his "work" time.
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
Also, with regard to the list of Palm's assets, I don't think that most potential acquirers would see the perpetual Garnet license as really being worth much if anything.
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
Seriously, the Palm & Treo (and to a far lesser degree, Centro) copyrights/IP do retain some tremendous brand equity. Aside from the carrier agreements (specifically the US CDMA giants that the Scandinavian handset manufacturers have traditionally shunned due to their GSM0-centric lineups), there's little to offer anyone at the moment...unless, again "someone" is privvy to some master plan that all of us have NO idea about.
It might be fun to work up the '08 version of the "Who could realistically buy Palm" list. TVoR long maintained that the potential Palm suitor of '06/'07 had 6 letters in their name. I'll throw Garmin into the mix to start things off.
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RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
You think Garmin would want to spend $1.5 billion (minimally - that's NO premium on the current price) for Palm?
When they ALREADY have THIS?
- http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/17/garmins-nuvifone-is-coming-in-white/
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
- http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2008/02/05/nuviphone-first-videos
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
No one will buy Palm because Palm has outlasted it's worth. Palm doesn't even want to use Frankengarnet, anyone can use Windows Mobile, and Nova is nothing but a figment of our imaginations at this point. Really, if you think there really is a Nova don't you think there would be something out there? A Screenshot, A video presentation, something to get developers into the loop? My friends it's time to say no thanks to the kool-aid and realize that Palm has been living off of borrowed time for many a year now and it will eventually catch up with them. Palm has basically used the same version of Palm OS for at least three years, they of course don't make Windows Mobile, and they outsource their hardware. What exactly is Palm but a bunch of empty suits riding the wave until someone comes along to bail this downtrodden company out. There is no Palm version of Steve Jobs to come in and save Palm from the ruins. Hawkins doesn't have the passion for Palm that Jobs has for Apple. Someone not even employed by Palm, Dmitry, can run circles around any of Palms remaining Code Monkeys. The name Palm is nothing but a relic of days come by. It's in the same class now as Commodore and Atari.
The last known classic PDA user.
I've recently upgraded from a Palm TX to a Newton MP2000!
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
> Really, if you think there really is a Nova don't you think there
> would be something out there?...
To reinforce that thought, Colligan actually refused to say if developers had been given Nova at the time of the last earnings call:
== "...Vivek Arya - Merrill Lynch
==
== Is [Nova] already with the developer community or are you
== still - have you like launched beta versions of it already or...
==
== Edward T. Colligan
==
== I'm not going to get into specifics like that, Vivek. I appreciate
== you asking but we are going to stay away from [talking details]..."
- http://tinyurl.com/lasttranscript
I can't imagine under ANY circumstances a need for Palm to deny the existence of developers if such developers exist thus that statement above by Colligan, IMHO, is absolute proof that Nova hadn't been released to developers as of that moment.
> ...Hawkins doesn't have the passion for Palm that Jobs has for Apple...
As noted above, that shouldn't be "Hawkins" but perhaps "The Unnamed Idea Man". The last public peep out of Hawkins was that he was a "former officer", changed from a week-prior's words of "founder and member of the exec":
(last public peep):
(week-prior's peep):
- http://tinyurl.com/weekpriorpeep
In the same time-context of that last public peep, Hawkins stopped filing Insider Sales SEC forms - this could be taken as he is not an Insider anymore or that he simply stopped selling; given the association-with-Palm wording change I take it as he is not an Insider anymore - YMMV.
Rubenstein is a (half-time) manager, not an idea man, so we can't put THIS particular responsibility on his shoulders. I suspect there is no single Idea Man inside Palm (not worshipping Hawkins myself, I can't add the word "anymore" to this sentence...)
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
Eh. I'd place bets the first devs to see Nova will be those poor souls screwed by Foleo. They kept their mouths shut about that. They'd do so about Nova too.
That's if Nova EXISTS.
Does Palm REALLY think they can come back after the iPhone and upcoming iPod Air? Maybe they're just hoping they can snag *some* marketshare. Enough to boost the stock to make it an acquisition target.
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
WAITAMINUTE!!!
Writing those last few words JUST reminded me of something key out of Palm management's mouth(s) that happened awhile back at some sort of presentation. I think it was the CFO who commented along the lines of (big paraphrase from hazy memory):
== "Yes, we're sticking to the end-of-year release date. I mean, it won't
== be released-released but will be [something or other that suggested to
== me "released to developers with NDAs"]"
At the time I commented on it (elsewhere):
- http://tinyurl.com/CFONovaWords
[further down in that thread is a link to the actual presentation - I didn't check to see if it was still a valid link but, if so, go listen to it yerself to draw yer own conclusions...]
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
Mike (and anyone else who may care), I have my Asus EEE PC 1000H (80gb, XP) now and after a solid week of use this thing is VERY impressive. It's light years away of the original EEE in every way. First upgrade will be 2gb of RAM, followed by a higher-capacity HD and then I may seriously put Vista on it. Wi-fi performance is solid and the N will be a good feature to have down the road. Build quality is mostly solid and certainly better than the "cheap" first-gen EEEs. The BT isn't as solid as what I've been used to on my other machines (very interference-prone). Not sure if it's the chipset, an XP driver problem or the stack itself. I know it's not my mouse!
The Atom CPU is a bit underwhelming and I wish there was some way to force it to run at maximum clockspeed at all times. And I'm still missing some BIOS settings/tweaks like manual memory speed/settings, ACHI native mode etc. Nevertheless, I may end up revisitng a lot of older games (C&C Generals, Quake III, Diablo 2 etc) on this thing. The integrated Intel GMA 950 graphics got a bad reputation but are honestly fine for playing older titles at 800x600 and even up to 1024*768. Utilizing an external USB DVD drive, I'm stunned at how well the Atom/950 combo handles DVD playback and even 720p videos! And the resolution quick-switch & over/undder clock buttons? Pure genius!
But the biggest pleasant surprise has been the keyboard. It's the EXACT size that's still big enough for me to touch type on but not be too big. It could stand to be a little less bouncy but I'll manage just fine. If Asus could (ideally) shave off a bit of this thing's weight & thickness while still keeping decent battery life and all of the bells'n whistles...wow! I'd have given anything to have had a machine like this back when I was in college! Sure, the original EEE 701 was nifty-looking but its screen & keyboard were nigh unusable, especially with Windows. I can really see the 1000-seris (and perhaps the 904 spinoffs with the slightly smaller LCDs but same size keyboards) being THE blogger/writer/journalist/NYC transient machines of choice going forward, especially if the battery life can really be made to do "all day" computing like Asus is touting but not really delivering. If M$ are smart, they are HARD at work on a cut-doown version to launch alongside Windows 7 and intended by these little netbooks. Xp is still servicable but it IS a 7+ year old OS.
A month ago I was right on the MSI Wind bandwagon but after the interminable delays surrounding its launch were just too much to handle. The 1-2-3 punches of MSI squealing bloody murder over any user-installed upgrades, the omisison of the overclocking feature on shipping units' BIOSes & the quick pricedrop by Asus for the 1000H really finished the Wind off before it even got started...at least in my book.
MSI is too busy flooding the European market with cheaper rebadged versions to pay any attention to the US market, obviously. So it appears they are content to just cede all US marketshare to Asus.
Seeing how much goodness you get in an Atom ot even a lowly Celeron M-based netbook makes Palm's decision to cancel the Fooleo a VERY WISE ONE.
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RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
I got a 900 20G linux a month ago and I'm pleased with it. I bought it mainly because I didn't want to wait until September, when Continental Europe gets the 901 (and 1000H).
Wifi works really well and firefox is fast enough. Also with a bit of tweaking I I got my Novatel hsdpa usb stick to work and performance is also very good. Battery life is not great, mainly because asus decided to ship a low capacity unit.
Build quality is also very good for this kind of price range. The keyboard is small no doubt, but overall size mattered more that typing ease to me.
I'm tempted to compare it with the foleo... better not :)
Really what was Palm thinking when they introduced that thing.
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RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
Re: Nova - I just have this suspicion that whatever is released as Nova is going to look a lot like this: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
Actually, you know... I would have liked to see the Foleo running "Folbuntu" - not as crazy as it sounds, either - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2097004728.html
RE: anybody like PALM stock at $5.74?
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/is-intels-atom-cpu-shortage-due-to-apple/
Finally upgraded to Centro-no thanks
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went from 66% free memory to 19%. WTF
must i delete something else or am i f****d?