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RE: It's basicaly GS PDA m68
Are Verizon, Sprint, Cingular, etc licensees as well?
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RE: It's basicaly GS PDA m68
Palm phones in euorpe
RE: Palm phones in euorpe
Or is it because Europeans can afford more expensive phones than the Americans?
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RE: Palm phones in euorpe
RE: Palm phones in euorpe
I guess Palm OS is stronger in Europe than in the States and that most Palm OS phones are targeting in Europe?
Or is it because Europeans can afford more expensive phones than the Americans?
Dear Asiayeah,
The Palm OS is almost non existent in Europe. The only model available on my last visit was the T600 and it was only offered by Orange. It was sold by CarWarhouse but with the Orange service. But the T600 lacked a primary feature of what Europe wants Bluetooth.
The T650 is now available and does have the Bluetooth that is almost a European requirement but it is limited in its distribution.
The Palm OS in a smartphone is very unknown. Over 90% of the European smartphone market is Symbian but it is known locally as the phone manufactures product like Nokia, LG, etc.
Palm does not have any marketshare in Europe unless you consider a low single digit percentage significant.
It is too bad Palm has failed to deliever.
This new M68 rebranded is pretty meaningless but anything they do is better than what Palmsource has been doing so far-NOTHING!
RE: Palm phones in euorpe
RE: Palm phones in euorpe
Austria and Germany is an entirely PPC zone almost, because our local discounter ALDI/Hofer is offering PPC's via its house-manufacturer Medion.
My personal reason for why the smartphones target europe: 1 Infrastructure(GSM) everywhere. In the USA there are multiple technologies(MobTex, etc) and adjusting a device to all of them costs lots of $. And who knows if the carrier will then subside it. However, a GSM version will almost 100% find at least one carrier!
Best regards
Tam Hanna
Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
Poor design
I welcome every new Palm device (I know it's a rebranded phone), but this one looks, um... ugly. Maybe they should hire a new design team...
Anyway, we need new stuff right now. Isn't there still a single rumor about new palmone handhelds?
RE: Poor design
Maybe that five dollar SD card that "sealed the deal" was the promised fix, afterall....
Don't MAKE me buy another PDA just to hold what doesn't fit into a $650-750 device.... for that kind of ca$h decent internal memory should be a GIVEN.
RE: Poor design
I have a treo because I plan to develop for it. I endure the titters of all that see it for that reason.
But I have something else for when I go out socially.
At least this one looks fairly normal.
RE: Where's the black?
RE: Where's the black?
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RE: Where's the black?
RE: Where's the black?
Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i300?
I can't see a lot of people flocking to the three or four feeble PalmOS smartphone offerings now that there are probably 20 options available from the Windows side. Why is Palm squandering yet another lead by failing to supply the hardware people want?
Thanks for nothing, PalmSource. At least things would be a little better if Samsung would finally release a REAL (not vaporware) PalmOS smartphone. It's a shame to see the best OS (PalmOS) losing for reasons that have NOTHING to do with its capability.
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RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i300?
RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i30
I can't figure this out either, but within a year it will probably be a moot point unless P1 pulls its collective thumb out of its a$$. With so many increasingly attractive Windows choices, and very little new from P1, they shouldn't be surprised when their customers jump to the Other Side.
RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i30
> With so many increasingly attractive Windows choices, and very
> little new from P1, they shouldn't be surprised when their
> customers jump to the Other Side.
Who cares about the Windows side? There may be 20 CE options or 200, but I have yet to see one in actual use. It is Symbian that Palm has to beat. There are many VERY attractive smartphones using Symbian system 60, from Nokia and from others, and in Europe they DO sell in large quantities. You can get a Nokia NGage, with a growing catalog of pretty nice 3D games and the full system 60 smartphone suite for 150€. And no camera, too!
RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i300?
RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i30
the smartphone version of WM without a touchscreen is IMHO a dead child. A touchscreen greatly simplifies operation-trust me, I prefer my IIIc to a SX1..
Just my 2 cents though
Best regards
Tam Hanna
Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i300?
How many Microsoft(WMA) based portable music player models are available out there vs. Apple iPod? 5X perhaps? And who is the king of portable music players?
It is not the quantity, but the quality that matter.
RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i30
PalmOS abandoned by the rats?
- "Symbian is whipping WM Smartphone at the moment and with smartphones like the Communicator series and SE P-series, WM has its work cut out."
- "How many Microsoft(WMA) based portable music player models are available out there vs. Apple iPod? 5X perhaps? And who is the king of portable music players?
It is not the quantity, but the quality that matter."
- "Just because Dell and hp have shoved out hundreds of different models doesn't mean they're any good. This was part of the problem with Sony - they put out a new model almost every month and this meant there was no "upgrade cycle" which could give Palm enthusiasts bank accounts a chance to recover. Also, the myriad variants got people confused about which particular one was right for them..."
You people must be in denial. I'd love to see your reaction when pa1mOne announces its Windows-based Treo. What will you say then?
Look around. Windows-based phones are starting to catch on. Good hardware compensates for a bad OS. Palm, on the other hand, depends on having a good OS compensate for bad hardware.
Most Symbian sales are to people not using them as real smartphones. Shipping Symbian in regular phones pads the sales figures + makes Symbian look good.
iPoo is a fad sold on image that will disappear almost overnight in a year or two. Apple is fcuked when that happens. Comparing iPoo to phones smells of sophism. And as for sales, quantity - NOT quality - is all that matters.
This nonsense about "the problem with Sony" being their constant innovation and rapid model release cycles get more and more laughable every time some simpleton posts it. Try THINKING before you post next time...
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RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i300?
If Palm does not start releasing some new units that can carve out market share what point is their even being a fan of the best OS, the Palm OS.
Palmsource is the leadership that is failing to drive this plateform. You'all that think the Treo line and a phone or two from GSPDA is enough are crazy.
Quality is important but being lost in the sheer quantity of MSFT or Symbian will ensure the PALM OS is some hiden secret that the majority will not care about. Palm is always bragging about how many developers and before that how many Palm devices had been sold. That is the only bragging that brings more users not some secret OS that is unknown and forgotten.
Start showing PSRC how pissed you all are or watch the fall. YOur choice. Because PSRC is failing the plateform and this is not hyperboly but reality.
Tell me the bright spots if you disagree because I want to hear some good news but CEBIT is not telling me anything good for the Palm OS.
RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i300?
The momentum is really with windows mobile phones these days (especially vs palm). Due to the Zen of palm, they are just not considered to be powerful devices. Easy maybe, but not powerful. When a phone network want to appeal to business users they either go blackberry or the various forms of XDA's (II, IIs, IIi, mini, and now MDA IV)
There is a very broad range of phones available now or soon running windows mobile. I think Palm enthusiasts probably dont keep an eye on the competition as they should. Check out this website (ignore the anti-symbian editorialization) but just count the number of devices available or available soon.
Symbian shares the same perception as Palm, due to their huge consumer presence. They are associated with ring-tones and games, not word and excel. And if there is one thing which MS has learned, if you win the business market the consumer market eventually follows.
MS's biggest competitor now isn't Palm or Nokia, its blackberry, which is growing explosively in MS's home territory, the back office. Fortunately blackberry is playing very nicely, and has licensed its software to a number of device makers.
I regularly see very nice adverts on TV by O2 for the XDA, comparing the XDA to a ferrari, ad there are XDA billboards all over the place. Anyone in UK can confirm this. In Europe palm is an also ran.
Investors of PalmOne agree, as its stock continues its downward trend. See:
http://surur.sytes.net/index.html
Surur
RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i30
My POINT was that it is difficult to keep a good level support for each specfic type and bring out a good range of accessories for each type when the design is being constantly modified. I have absolutely nothing against innovation and new products - I just want to make sure that it isn't going to become obselete within a couple of months.
Oh, and please don't call me a simpleton. I have never tried to pick a fight with you and if there is an element to my arguement that doesn't add up, explain it to me, don't insult me with it.
RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i300?
If you buy Sony Model X today and two months later Sony Model Y is released, who cares? Does your model X suddenly stop having the features it had or doing the things it did? Is it suddenly useless to you just because it's no longer "the latest and greatest"?
That is "an element to [your] arguement that doesn't add up". An intelligent person would realize this. Do you?
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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RE: Why can't we get a PalmOS phone like the Samsung SGH-i30
Why the US is less attractive for a smartphone maker
TamsPalm has the answer for you-tune in at:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com/2005/03/benefit-of-gsm-why-europeans-get.html
Best regards
Tam Hanna
Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
RE: Why the US is less attractive for a smartphone maker
RE: Why the US is less attractive for a smartphone maker
RE: Why the US is less attractive for a smartphone maker
If there's any anti M$ bias in europe it's because M$ actually charges more for non-US licenses, effectively levying a huge tax on every computer sold (which goes to the US as well as M$.) But I would say palm PDAs have much better penetration in the US.
Great, but it's time for 3G
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It's basicaly GS PDA m68