Comments on: Rumor: Bogus palmOne Tungsten T6/2005 Specs?

A list of very sketchy specifications of a new Tungsten T6 or Tungsten 2005 have been posted to an internet newsgroup. Without any backup information the specs appear very dubious.
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Wishful thinking I'd say

Geezer @ 3/16/2005 1:25:31 PM # Q
When you read the specs list it sounds like a mix of 'what I'd love' and 'this will get them going'

RE: Wishful thinking I'd say
Admin @ 3/16/2005 1:31:50 PM # Q
I agree, there is nothing at all that lends this rumor any credibility. I had to post it to just to stop the tips from coming in.
RE: Wishful thinking I'd say
Foo Fighter @ 3/16/2005 1:33:18 PM # Q
This is the work of a Palm fanboy with too much free time on his hands.

Contributing Editor,
RE: Wishful thinking I'd say
Wolfgard @ 3/16/2005 1:37:58 PM # Q
Sounds bogus to me. 3 megapixel cam in a Tungsten? That's highly unlikely as the Tungsten line is meant for business users and we know how corporations don't like having cams on their premises.

Ethernet connector? I can't imaging how an RJ port could ever fit on a PDA. And Windows compatibility? Let the lawsuits begin then, hehe.

pen & paper -> m515 -> Zire72 -> TH55 & Handera 330

RE: Wishful thinking I'd say
hkklife @ 3/16/2005 2:38:51 PM # Q
No, no, no. That's the "worst" (ie least believable) Tungsten rumor I've heard yet.

We'll have a rehashed T|E2 that will be almost identical to the rumored specs and a revised Zire 73 that might be a surprisingly decent handheld of the midrange set. That's it. Nothing else new this spring and the chances of a midsummer-style T2 release look increasingly unlikely.

This product listing far more weight than any message board or blog posting abouta bogus Tungsten.

RE: Wishful thinking I'd say
EdFrmBrighthand @ 3/16/2005 3:46:59 PM # Q
I'm really surprised so many web sites picked this "rumor" up. Just last week there was a Zire 73 rumor that was at least twice as believable... and everyone rejected it in about two seconds.


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Gekko @ 3/16/2005 2:04:28 PM # Q

pure fantasy and fiction. it will never happen. look for a lame TE/2 and Zire and that's it. unfortunately, that's all palm is capable of at this point. warmed-over rehash with NVFS. the days of exciting new products from palm are over.

RE: fiction
LiveFaith @ 3/16/2005 2:13:28 PM # Q

Don't be so positive. You're listening to those Tony Robbins tapes too much.

Pat Horne;

RE: fiction
Gekko @ 3/16/2005 2:14:55 PM # Q

I'm a realist - but feel free to continue to indulge yourself in fantasy if it makes you feel better.

RE: fiction
RhinoSteve @ 3/16/2005 2:40:47 PM # Q
Tony Robbins? I though he was part of the Monkies?
RE: fiction
mbuhboot @ 3/18/2005 11:02:32 AM # Q

Eat your heart-out :-D.. Most of the important rumours about the upcoming ("real" sibling of) a tungsten are true..


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Don't get fooled again

Gekko @ 3/16/2005 2:06:24 PM # Q
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Git up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

RE: Don't get fooled again
RhinoSteve @ 3/16/2005 2:58:18 PM # Q
For a change you and I are in agreement here. This post is pretty much one of the biggest grogs I have seen in a while. I doubt if a Cobalt device from PalmOne will come so soon.
RE: Don't get fooled again
AdamaDBrown @ 3/17/2005 1:51:21 AM # Q
15 months after 2+ years of development is 'so soon'?

Hey Gekko!
Masamune @ 3/17/2005 2:44:04 PM # Q
I know something that beats this in the rumour stakes - what about that bogus T5 that people were claiming came from PalmOne back in November? Some joker even went as far as to make a dummy device of it and PalmOne took them seriously.

Excuse me, I'm just off to emigrate from the hordes of angry T5 owners who can't take a joke...

RE: Don't get fooled again
mikecane @ 3/17/2005 2:58:44 PM # Q
Take your Zod and leave, you PSP traitor!

RE: Don't get fooled again
Masamune @ 3/17/2005 3:52:10 PM # Q
Mike - seriously - read my PSP blog. Just because I own a Zod doesn't mean I can't own a PSP. I know which one I'll be buying games for. Also, I might as well save the money I was going to use for a Wifi card and use it towards a PSP IF it comes with a decent web browser. It should do - Mr Kutaragi has promised one (see latest post) but I want to see what the quality's like first...

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"Can anybody confirm this features?"

pmjoe @ 3/16/2005 3:08:24 PM # Q
I think the fact that he asks if anyone can confirm the features is a sure sign that he isn't confident in his source.

Personally, I'd just be happy with a T5 that also had WiFi, OS 6 and a little more RAM (as long as it syncs with the Mac).

Just logical conjecture
RhinoSteve @ 3/17/2005 3:23:32 PM # Q
I honestly feel this post is nothing but some logical conjecture with not much to back it up. I'm amazed just how long the legs on this post was. Shows how much of a vacuum there is for new product news on PalmOne devices.
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Finally, a forum where common sense prevails!

Cikub @ 3/16/2005 3:06:50 PM # Q
I can't believe, first of all, the these "specs" are making front page news on all the Palm news sites. This information barely deserves a space at the bottom of a discussion forum somewhere where geeks can play "pretend" all they want.

What surprised me even more is that everywhere I looked, most readers seemed to be taking them seriously (Awesome specs! I knew PalmOne would come through for us!)

Finally, though, I've found a Palm site, PIC, where the only reason the story is on the front page is to highlight the fact that so many others are taking this early April Fools joke seriously. And finally, here at PIC, forum posters have the sense to dismiss these ridiculous specs right off the bat.


RE: Finally, a forum where common sense prevails!
Masamune @ 3/16/2005 5:27:26 PM # Q
Stick around Cikub - there's plenty more common sense where that came from. We're also good for a laugh every now and then in the Off-Topic section...

RE: Finally, a forum where common sense prevails!
VampireLestat @ 3/16/2005 6:17:01 PM # Q
A secret source has just informed me that PalmOne has set a product launch date of April 18th.

A new T|E2 and a new palmOne device called 'Life Drive'.


RE: Finally, a forum where common sense prevails!
twizza @ 3/17/2005 11:05:24 AM # Q
The date sounds about right from the last few springs. Release date and then sell about 2 weeks later.

TE2 - yup
Life Drive - interesting idea, besides a ton of space, camera, and wireless, I wonder what it could be. Maybe a tablet palmOS device?

RE: Finally, a forum where common sense prevails!
hkklife @ 3/17/2005 3:02:23 PM # Q
I predict LifeDrive is nothing more than a fancy name for a large-capacity internal flash storage drive (ie 512mb to 1gb or so)

You know, a nifty moniker that can lure the soccer moms in to buy the latest camera-equipped Zire. "Store all of your life's precious moments on the Zire 73's capacious LifeDrive"

Probably also catching some residual fell-good vibes from Apple's iLife media suite as well.

Sorrry for being so dang cynical but does anyone blame me based on events of the past, oh, 4 years or so?

Also, can SOMEONE with a "source" for their rumors be a bit less vague--ie mention if it's a retailer, a developer, a mole from withing P1 etc etc ?

RE: Finally, a forum where common sense prevails!
JonAcheson @ 3/17/2005 4:28:41 PM # Q
I'd predict the Life Drive has a 5GB minidrive, as used by the Mini iPod. A flash drive just wouldn't be impressive enough to make it the centerpiece of the branding campaign.

What would be sweet: a device similar in form to the flash-storage mini camcorders they have out now, with a flip-and-rotate screen, 2-3 MP camera with zoom, headphone jack and a big battery.

Software bundle would include an MP3 player, movie player, and an improved desktop app that can sync up music and movies.

No phone, and no keyboard.

Jon Acheson

"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: Finally, a forum where common sense prevails!
Pfigger @ 3/21/2005 7:08:45 AM # Q
I agree with hkklife: "Life Drive" sounds more like a fancy name for some functionality, e.g. the drive mode with the rumored large capacity (2 to 4 GB).
I don't believe that will be the actual product's name. It simply doesn't fit in palmOne's naming of sub-brands: Zire - Tungsten - (Treo - ) Life Drive. Inf the item that doesn't belong to this group...
In my opinion, "Coltan" (which was also rumored to be the name of new palmOne devices) sounds much more reasonable.

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So What?

treo007 @ 3/16/2005 11:42:10 PM # Q
Even if all this were true (which it's NOT!), it would still be boring. PalmOne, and all other PDA manufacturers need to get out of the PDA business.

Why waste your resources on anything but a smart phone at this point? The technology industry is not supposed to be about clinging to old, outdated products and ideas.

Memo to PalmOne: You license the perfect OS for it, now go dominate the next frontier of mobile technology. The Treo is great, but don't repeat the mistake of the Palm V and sit on your laurels.

RE: So What?
sremick @ 3/17/2005 3:04:01 PM # Q
We should stop using forks and knives too. I mean, those have been around HOW long? Why do we hold ourselves back with such outdated technology? That's not PROGRESS!

Sarcasm aside... maybe it's because PDAs serve a need and fill niche that smartphones do not? Maybe because the features often wanted in a cell phone and a PDA differ enough for enough people and actually CONFLICT and are directly OPPOSITE? Maybe because there are so many people like myself for whom a smartphone is therefore not a solution and not something I will buy?

I need my cellphone to be as small as possible, with a screen only big enough to show names and phone numbers. My PDA needs a screen large enough to display huge amounts of data, games, pictures, etc. A PDA with the screen size of my cell phone would be unusable. A cell phone the size of my PDA would look idiotic held to my ear.

I loan out my cell phone to people sometimes for a bit. I don't loan out my PDA.

I often go places where I want to leave my PDA behind for safety. But I'll bring my cell phone.

My PDA needs things like a touchscreen, stylus, and other features that are wasted space on my cell phone.

My cell phone gets abused much more than my PDA. It's considered much more of an "expendable" device.

Just because 2 devices both have a screen and a battery and often both hold namess and phone numbers doesn't mean they should be combined. Just because you CAN do something doesn't me you SHOULD and that it's right for EVERYONE.

I don't think it's unreasonable to want there to be SOME manufacturer still producing a QUALITY PDA-only device ("quality" implies not running any incarnation of Windows).

RE: So What?
AdamaDBrown @ 3/17/2005 3:25:03 PM # Q
Why waste your resources on anything but a smart phone at this point?

Because smartphones are a miniscule portion of the market, are far behind classic handhelds technologically, aren't growing much as a a market, and don't sell to the majority of users. The vast majority of sales are not smartphones. The people who buy PDAs generally wouldn't buy smartphones if ordinary handhelds weren't available.

sremick: Well said.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/17/2005 10:42:47 PM # Q
Smartphones will always be a compromise that many of us aren't willing to accept. Palm should concentrate on getting PalmOS onto SMALL, regular shaped phones. PalmOS + no size/weight penalty = the PalmOS Messiah.


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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

RE: So What?
Big_Nemo @ 3/18/2005 5:15:53 AM # Q
I'd like to agree with Sremick's opinion on the matter, and add some more.

IMHO smartphones aren't really 'replacing' PDAs. I believe that most actual smartphone buyers (please note I said MOST of them, not ALL of them) fall in one of these categories:

- people who never really needed a fully featured PDA in the first place (I agree that a smartphone may be just fine for many people who just need basic agenda/phonebook functions and/or WAP browsing and/or 'vertical' solutions as offered by their telco);

- people who want a high-end cellphone that just happens to be a smartphone.

Batteries are still a big issue. I own a cellphone and a PDA, and the cellphone battery choses to die on me at the less appropriate time. Now, I *can* survive without the cellphone working (expecially because my main phonebook is inside the PDA). On the other hand, being unable to access data on the PDA would be a major annoyance... (I vaguely remember one of the very first PDAs with built-in GSM - maybe from Telit? - having TWO betteries, a separate one for the GSM function - and, yes, it was a brick IIRC)

Whether you go for a smartphone or two separate devices, a hands-free headset is a must (so you can use the PDA while talking at the phone)

And, as a Star Trek fan, I haven't seen yet a Starfleet officer with an all-in-one communicator/datapad ;-)

(this isn't about Palm, but Siemens has just announced this:

RE: So What?
tfftruoa @ 3/21/2005 6:37:38 PM # Q
My ideal palm os smartphone: Quad band gsm with wcdma, 802.11g, bluetooth 2.0, vga screen, qwerty keyboard, 660mhz samsung processor, 512 ram, internal 8 gb hard drive, cf and sdio slots, clamshell form factor, usb host support, dedicated graphics controler and vram, and all in a small device with great battery life.

Expected price if it appears: $3000 after carrier subsidies.

The ideal smartphone for palm os: 126mhz OMAP, 32mb nvfs ram, dual band cdma or gsm, vga camera, sd expansion slot, 160*160 4k display, number pad, bundled photo editing, email, and music player apps, available as both clamshell and candybar in a fairly small device with average battery life.

Expected price when (and it should) appear: $100-$150 after carrier subsidies.

Which would you buy?

Sharp Wizard-->Handspring Visor "Deluxe"-->Sony Clie SJ30-->Palm Tungsten T3 w/ SE T68i

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Rumors are good

adamsmark @ 3/17/2005 11:27:28 AM # Q
Despite the generally held opinion that the T6 story is bogus, I'm quite pleased. At least someone is thinking creatively. Perhaps Palm could create something like the unit described.

P.S. Still using my T3--Palm's last, greatest PDA.

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La-dee-da: It's true

mikecane @ 3/17/2005 1:50:42 PM # Q
Nuff said.

RE: La-dee-da: It's true
mikecane @ 3/17/2005 2:10:39 PM # Q
Of course it ISN'T true.

But it was the most enticing set of specs for a PDA I've yet seen... sigh.

Now where's that "iBook mini," dammit?

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