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RE: Palm's 2nd wind = flatulence
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Yawn.
RE: Yawn.
P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Since when do you "manage" your media? Organize maybe, but manage? They are desperate to position the life drive not as a toy for college students (who could not afford many in any case) but as an upgrade for business people.
Unfortunately these are the very same people who think twice about a large thick device which will need a bigger case to protect the screen.
It sounds to me like this device might die from marketing schizophrenia.
Surur
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
I think that a lot of people have already decided NOT to buy this device, for that very reason. It is a neat device, but there is no real clear-cut niche that it seems designed to fit into. It's too big for business users, and too pricey for younger college kids. I just hope that the life drive doesn't turn out to be 'too little too late'. We'll see.
All good things...
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
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RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
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RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Fortunately, there is no confusion over the Loox 720 - it's an unmitigated piece of garbage.
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Fortunately, there is no confusion over the Loox 720 - it's an unmitigated piece of garbage.
I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience with that device. Some people find using PalmOS dumbs them down so much they cant handle the switch to another OS, especially the concept of running two programs at the same time. Usually people have to be pretty dumb already to be vulnerable to this insidious phenomena. You many be stuck forever on your sinking platform. Good luck using the only brick with built-in WIFI and bluetooth being sold by P1 at the moment.
Oh sorry, its not being sold yet. Keep on waiting then. Thats what Palmistas are good at apparently.
Surur
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Your response is just so typical with what we have come expect from you - misleading and insulting.
Multi-tasking is not neeeded for any of the things that I use my palmpilot for. Why? Because it switches from one program to another (and back again) in a flash - so it's almost as if two programs are running at once. In doing so, it doesn't tie up system resources, so the application which is running does just that - it runs without interference from other 'open' applications.
Contrast that with WinCE/PPC/WinMob/whatever devices. Sure you can run more than one app at once, but after you have couple running in the background, this slows down the whole system. (One of the more popular PPC hacks is used to 'close' programs to prevent them from continuing to run in the background - NB this means that people are spending good money to prevent multi-tasking where it is not needed!)
In addition, multi-tasking adds another layer of complexity, which inevitably means that you need a faster processor just to achieve reasonable performance. A faster processor typically means that you need a bigger battery. All this adds to the cost of the device.
I accept that 'power users' may want multi-tasking sometimes (eg, when surfing the web they may want to switch to another app without interrupting the web connection). However, for me, multi-tasking is more of a burden than a benefit.
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
I think its pretty rich accusing me of being misleading and insulting when you call my pocketpc an "unmitigated piece of garbage" with no explanation or justification at all.
Regarding multi-tasking, just say P1 does not build for power users anymore (or ever) and be done with it.
Surur
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
Post an URL to show me the PalmOS user equivalent of *you* on a PPC site. You can't do it.
Now mike, you should know better than to give me a google challenge.
I am glad to see so many PPC users waking up to the reality that PPC was doomed from its inception.
I went to the Handspring launch party in San Francisco yesterday and all I can say is that once they add a 320x320 and or a 320x480 screen to the Treo line the game will be completely over for M$.
Bottom line is M$ is getting smoked badly!!!
I have been predicting this moment for years and Jason Dunn would always try to discount what I was saying. Jason, I think you should think about PalmThoughts.com
Scott: thanks for the Props. I rest my case your honor.
CASE Closed. (No Pun Intended)
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/for...&highlight=jake
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=168532&highlight=#168532As to what I'm doing here, I'm spectating over the demise of PalmOs. Its all the more enjoyable because of all the years of hearing Palmistas claiming their dominance of the market was unassailable, and how no-one would want a computer in their pocket.
Now for my next trick I will reveal the identity of RhinoSteve.....
Surur
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
MikeCane said
Post an URL to show me the PalmOS user equivalent of *you* on a PPC site. You can't do it.
Now mike, you should know better than to give me a google challenge.
The new Palm T3 has THREE times the resolution of any PPC???I am glad to see so many PPC users waking up to the reality that PPC was doomed from its inception.
I went to the Handspring launch party in San Francisco yesterday and all I can say is that once they add a 320x320 and or a 320x480 screen to the Treo line the game will be completely over for M$.
Bottom line is M$ is getting smoked badly!!!
I have been predicting this moment for years and Jason Dunn would always try to discount what I was saying. Jason, I think you should think about PalmThoughts.com
Scott: thanks for the Props. I rest my case your honor.
CASE Closed. (No Pun Intended)
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=168532&highlight=#168532
Of course posts like this has stopped when MS outshipped PalmSource early 2004. These days MS ships twice as much WM licenses than PalmSource does POS licenses, and the PalmOS market is shrinking. A troll like that would look pretty deluded to claim that "PPC was doomed from inception"
As to what I'm doing here, I'm spectating over the demise of PalmOs. Its all the more enjoyable because of all the years of hearing Palmistas claiming their dominance of the market was unassailable, and how no-one would want a computer in their pocket.
Now for my next trick I will reveal the identity of RhinoSteve.....
Surur
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
And I'm an ex-palm user. For more than a year too. I was browsing the Internet via infra-red using my mobile phone and my trusty Palm IIIe. Clearly however without even a built-in browser it was not the device for me. Anyone who have used PDA's seriously have probably used both.
Anyways, anyone interested in Rhinosteve's identity? I have a cute picture....
Surur
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00004WCTD.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
He's spun so many lies and tall tales on this site I can't keep track. Though one of his more memorable (and laughable) claims was that the Tungsten C is one of the hottest selling PDAs on the market, outselling all WiFi equipped Pocket PCs combined. Even Ed Colligan admitted, publically no less, that the TC was a complete failure.
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RE: [Peop1e] desperate for a ... Life ....
Some of us truly know all the faults and warts of Palm and have so far still chosen to stick around. I've complained about Palm OS and hardware. I've looked at WM and PPC's. But if I ever decide to "move on", you won't find me hanging out here anymore. (Although according to Mike, "you'll be back". Come to think of it, maybe that's why you are here! Mike predicted it!!!)
BubbaSteve: a Palm employee??? Oh dear.
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00004WCTD.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
He's spun so many lies and tall tales on this site I can't keep track. Though one of his more memorable (and laughable) claims was that the Tungsten C is one of the hottest selling PDAs on the market, outselling all WiFi equipped Pocket PCs combined. Even Ed Colligan admitted, publically no less, that the TC was a complete failure.
Has ANYTHING BubbaSteve ever said on Palminfocenter been true? Ever? Ignore the bogus halfwit posting style and focus on what BubbaSteve has said since mysteriously showing up on PIC. Do a Google search for "RhinoSteve" and "Palminfocenter" and the truth soon becomes clear. Someone needs to talk to Michael Mace about this. Right, Mike?
The Art of FUD:
The Art of FUD, then, is governed by five constant factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations, when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.
These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth; (4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.
"All FUD is based on deception."
- Gill Bates, 1984.
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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Rhinosteve is ......
So.. for your enlightenment and entertainment...
Who is RhinoSteve?
Brownie points for everyone who identifies all the other execs.
Surur
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Bring me the head of Steve Ballmer
Reward offered.
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...
Rhinosteve is....
Really famous, isn't he...
Surur
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
I read posts, not posters.
Sheesh.
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
When some-one constantly uses Arguments From Authority to support their statements, but wont reveal the basis for their supposed expertise, it helps to know who they are.
Simple really.
Surur
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
As for the head of Steve Ballmer, I won't even ask what perversions you would visit upon it.
Microsoft's Steve Ballmer dancein like a fool. Just for you.
This coming from a guy that's eternally grateful for receiving "sloppy seconds"? I was going to let you have a turn with the head before I eBay my Ballmer, but now I canged my mind. Maybe if you sit up and beg for Ballmer I might give you a few minutes alone with him next week. Beg, Cane!
Here's a photo of the (still attached) head just to tease you, Cane:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/steve/default.asp
I know you want a piece of that Dancin' Fool, Ballmer. This is possibly the most disturbing video I've ever seen, ANYWHERE. And that's saying a lot:
http://www.ntk.net/media/dancemonkeyboy.mpg
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...
RE: [Peop1e] desperate for a ... Life ....
(Apparently some among us haven't yet graduated from the day care center.)
RE: P1 desperate for a business spin on Life Drive
It'll All Come Down To Details Now
My feeling is that the success or failure of LifeDrive now comes down to the finer details...
1) Does it come with a cradle?
2) Does it really have WiFi & Bluetooth?
3) Is it bundled with a native MPEG1/2/4 / DivX player?
4) Is it bundled with an excellent audio player (e.g. NOT RealPlayer) & great photo viewer?
5) Is the screen any good?
6) Does the implementation of the above provide the elusive "Wow Factor" that PalmOne really needs to whip up a new base of users?
7) BATTERY LIFE! (High capacity and/or removable cell)
Also - the issue that everyone is banging on about - SIZE! iPod is not the smallest digital audio player - but it is the one most people aspire to own. If the LifeDrive has been well designed, well built and most crucially is bundled with the right multimedia apps straight out of the box, it deserves to be a big hit.
Get any part of this wrong and your looking at a large, expensive and undesirable chunk of junk and PalmOne will look foolish in a marketplace where multimedia gadgets are rapidly becoming two-a-penny.
So let's see what PalmOne bring to the table and hope that LifeDrive is a more positive move for Palm fans than the rather uninspiring T5.
*** Although I do really wonder if PalmOne have thought carefully enough about the Audio/Video/Picture software bundle though ***
Afterall, what would an iPod be without it's core player/sync/playlist managment software??? Just an expensive USB hard-drive with headphones!
KultiVator (UK)
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
This device could be a big hit IF they get it right. I do believe we will see it for $399 within a couple of months as $499 is outside of what the masses will pay for a handheld these days.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Atari-Portolio > HP95LX > HP100LX > HP300LX > HP320LX > Nino300 > Nino500 > HP620LX > Jornada680 > PalmV > Vx > m505 > T|T > T615C > T|T3 > T|E2 > (back to) T|T3
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Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. - Sir Winston Churchill
Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem - Henry Kissinger
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RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
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Do you say the same thing about Pocket TV for PPC?
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
I've always wondered why one should pay about the same amount of money, or more, for a mobile video player when a PDA can do it and much more, that is IF the right applications are installed on the PDA, IF the video is properly encoded, IF you know what you're doing. Maybe the LD can take care of all those IF's?
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
If there is a product like "LiveDrive", my guess is this press annoucement is about positioning it against the digital media players that are twice the size of a thicker PDAs. Stuff like the PSP and Creative Media Player are the competitor targets and not your typical PDAs with limited storage.
This will do well. As said by Halston many years ago, "You complained about it, you scoffed it, you laughed at it, you bought it."
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Where did that come from? Anyway, Windows comes with a video player already, and PocketTV isn't the equal of Core/BetaPlayer. And yes, most people know about it, or won't use it instead of the default app.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
2) Does it really have WiFi & Bluetooth?
3) Is it bundled with a native MPEG1/2/4 / DivX player?
4) Is it bundled with an excellent audio player (e.g. NOT RealPlayer) & great photo viewer?
5) Is the screen any good?
6) Does the implementation of the above provide the elusive "Wow Factor" that PalmOne really needs to whip up a new base of users?
7) BATTERY LIFE! (High capacity and/or removable cell)
Are u actually asking these or confirming the info, b/c all the info on the LD has pointed out that:
#1 speculation that it woN'T include a cradle... either b/c it can't have one by design, not available yet, or P1 wants to make more $$ off this
#2 is definately there. It's one of the main features
#3 If it's still kinoma, then no and yes as you need to convert to Kinoma format first, so it's not that straightforward. If they just use Palm Media instead, then i think no DIVX is supported
#4 They have AeroPlayer instead of RealOne Player, which i hear the former it bad at all. Palm Media is the app that replaced Palm Photos as well as other apps. This should be good enough for most ppl, and if it isn't for the rest, try a 3rd party alternative.
#5 Palm screens have always been good for mid to high level devices so i have no reason to doubt this one won't be good as well.
#6 don't know. Probably the same pOS interface but jazzed up somewhat since the T5 using os5.4
#7 good battery lief is supposed to be another main feature
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RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Steve, does it ever bother you that your incessant cheerleading strips you of credibility? You said the exact same things about the T5. When you refuse to offer balanced discourse, you usually come off as a fanboy.
The whole principle of ignoring the power users and selling only to the mid-range is flawed. Power users are the ones who make recommendations to managers, friends, and family. Power users are the developers who create new programs and compelling solutions. Power users drive a considerable number of sales, not just of the high-end models but also of mid-range and low-end devices.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Steve, does it ever bother you that your incessant cheerleading strips you of credibility? You said the exact same things about the T5. When you refuse to offer balanced discourse, you usually come off as a fanboy.
The whole principle of ignoring the power users and selling only to the mid-range is flawed. Power users are the ones who make recommendations to managers, friends, and family. Power users are the developers who create new programs and compelling solutions. Power users drive a considerable number of sales, not just of the high-end models but also of mid-range and low-end devices.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Oh, and I stick by my word on the T5. If you read what I said, -- not what has been talked about -- most of it came true. The T5 sold well to the market it was intended for (a.k.a. not people that post to sites here.)
So what is next, you going to Spinmaster that M$ actually knows what they are doing in the PDA space? The brick media players they are pushing by proxy is a good example they will never "get it" on anything smaller than a laptop.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
I'd like to point out that WiFi on the E2 was one of the "main features" that drove my decision to buy that plus a WiFi card that I currently cannot use, and P1's making no promises as to when I can.
I understand what P1 is doing with LifeDrive and I can understand and appreciate many facets of the discussion that's been presented here, device size, target market, and so forth. But in some ways it seems to me like P1 fixes "issues" with one device by releasing another.
I'd be grateful for some solid develpopment and some real support from the company. I think their vision is so grand and lofty that they're missing what people are saying our needs are today.
Just my .02 worth...
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Do you know one of the biggest reasons that Toshiba was crippled in the U.S. market? They released a model called the e740 that was, while powerful and innovative, also full of bugs. A lot of power users bought the e740, figuring that the bugs could be worked out. Not too long thereafter, Toshiba dumped the e740 and released the e750, identical except for a few minor tweaks, and the newest OS. They did not offer an OS upgrade for the e740--which was expected of them at the time--and they never fixed a lot of the bugs. The early adopters felt so burned that they advised everyone they could to avoid Toshiba models. Toshiba's sales slumped, and when the next OS release came around, they upgraded all their current models in an attempt to bring back the high-end users.
And actually, Steve, if you run the numbers (average selling price, number of Treos sold, TEs sold, Zires sold, etc.) you'll find out that the T5 did rather poorly.
As for Microsoft in the PDA space, they don't actually do much of anything, their licensees do. Kind of like PalmSource, except Microsoft actually delivers on new OSes. Microsoft is well known for firing a lot of shots, like the HD media players, and seeing what actually hits.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Also, if you want to spin this I honestly believe that there are a bunch of people on the Microsoft cash stream doing their thing here to trash the Palm OS. Yes, they are that desperate to try to gain market share.
I'm still up in the air of VOR is a Microsoft backed black-pr agent or just very sexually frustrated. I honestly don't know. However, I have seen this group get very negative as the Palm community continues to do well as the Win32 Kernal Group at Microsoft still maintains overall control of any OS that is released.
It all comes out of the wash. I'm here for laughs. Some here take this place to seriously to make up for the lack of accord they get in their corporate enviroments -- you all know who you are.
Viva cest la ger!
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
I don't know that I buy the theory of MS employees invading. Probably more like jilted Clie users attempting to justify their wayward path that has lead them to the dark shores of PPC. In any case; I sure hope the Lifedrive has at least WiFi to shut up that line of complaint.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Q: What is the difference between the Psychiatrist and a Con Man?
A: A Con Man only works on comission.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
When a person decides the Palm platform is no longer for him/her, this site ceases to be anything but a sounding board for his/her complaints and attempts to justify their decision. They become a troll.
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hey justajackass - did you ever think that PLMO/PSRC has turned many here from happy customers to critics through their recent batch of shiit products????? we are the MAJORITY and the minority are those battered-wife apologists who can see no wrong. now stop insulting our intelligence, fool.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
I strongly consider you check the profiles of some of the more "vocal" members of this site and look at their # of posts and how long they have been registered with PIC. I personally posted on the site for several years as I.M Anonymous before mandatory registration was required. I'll wager that most of THOSE users have been with the platform since the beginning or at least for several years. I've been a POS user since 1996 when I bought one of the first batch of Pilot 1000s that Egghead (RIP) got in stock. So let me state that I feel WELL ENTITLED to make whatever judgement calls I desire about the hardware and the OS. If the heavy discussions become too unconfortable to bear here, then head over to the calmer waters of Brighthand PDABuzz etc.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
hkk - well said.
I've owned a Palm III, V, m505, m515, T1, T3, T5, Treo 600 so all of the Apologists/Conspiracy Theorists can kiss my azz.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Gekko,
If you're so disgusted with the features and quality of Palm's products, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?
Move on, Gekko. Save yourself from the aggravation.
Eric
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Gekko and the Rest of Us will squawk all we damn well want. WE are the ones p1 should be concentrating on -- NOT the fickle unwashed who will drop a p1 device for a Crackberry or an MS Smurfphone and not see any damned difference because they UNDERUTILIZE their devices to begin with.
Gekko: Pull out the quote.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
If you're so disgusted with the features and quality of Palm's products, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?
Move on, Gekko. Save yourself from the aggravation.
Eric
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AFAIK, doesn't Gekko have several PPCs already? One of them VGA? That would explain it as he's already moved on if true. PPC users are still entitled to their compliments and complaints towards P1 as former users. HOwever, I don't understand why Gekko would have a T5 tho. Perhaps it was free?
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http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7821#107044
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7821#107045
Are you guys really defending these "heavy discussions"? Give me a break.
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
They're a helluva lot more entertaining than your whining tripe.
>>>Give me a break.
Be glad to! Can it be your head and can I use a sledgehammer?
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
You seemed pretty darn harsh on Surur if you thought it was entertaining.
>>> your whining tripe
Sorry Mike, whining tripe is all that's on the menu at the moment. We're all waiting for the big release and the kids are getting cranky.
>>> Be glad to! Can it be your head and can I use a sledgehammer?
A quick glance over today's posts and it feels like you already have - can someone get me an asprin?
SHOCKER!!! BubbaSteve's real name is...
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7821#107044
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7821#107045
Are you guys really defending these "heavy discussions"? Give me a break.
Boo hoo hoo!
Waaaaaaaa!
It's my God-given right to biotchslap BubbaSteve any time I want to. No Commie pinko twerp's gonna stop me either.
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Was that "heavy" enough for you? Once everyone is finally told BubbaSteve's secret identity, they'll be laughing in the aisles.
Right, BubbaSteve? Here's a clue for you all: "The walrus was Paul."
The eagle flies at dawn.
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Please don't use the phrase "conspiracy theorist". It brings up bad memories for me. Once upon a time, yours truly was accused of being a Pocket PC user that was part of a global conspiracy to frighten off consumers from buying PalmOS devices.
Way back when the original Tungsten T first came out, mine developed the dreaded dust under the screen issue, a problem common to reflective LCDs. When I pointed this out to others in PDA Buzz's forums and elsewhere, several Palm nazis accused me of secretly being a Pocket PC user masquerading as a Palm owner, and part of a collaborative effort to undermine Palm handheld sales by spreading FUD about the new Tungsten. Which I found quite hilarious considering I didn't even own a Pocket PC at that time, and hadn't for nearly a year. How's that for nutball fanboy paranoia?
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BubbaSteve's secret identity: Clue # 2
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FUDtastic
Kent, Mr. Gates wants to meet us tomorrow in the third floor conference room (in the Deschutes Wing) to go over the plans for "Operation Pa1mMud" with the interns that will be flooding Palminfocenter and the Palm fanboy sites next week when you-know-what is released. Remember the key points to focus on: size, harddrive access times and the Contacts Bug. Remember: we need to hit Palm hard, fast and often. If we can kill the LD in the crib, Palm will finally be down for the count. Take care.
Heil Gates!
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Only an delusional idiot would have thought that Paris Hilton could crop up in a discussion about the speculative details of an upcoming PalmOne device.
Mind you, 4GB would be plenty of space to hold her accidentally-on-purpose-released-into-the-public-home-porn-vid-self-promo-exercise!
...with plenty of space left over for similar home-vidz of Abi Titmus, Pam Anderson,etc,etc.
Perhaps LifeDrive should be re-marketed as PornDrive and feature a new splash-resistent finish!
Nuff Said!
RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
Ah yes, more baseless claims from a man with a track record for making similar wild claims of success where failure exists. Wasn't it you who once claimed the Tungsten C was the hottest selling WiFi device on the market, even outselling all wireless Pocket PCs combined? We all know that was a grotesque lie. Even Colligan admitted that.
It might interest you to know that the T5 is not only a flop, it's actually one of PalmOne's least popular products currently. In fact, it's even being outsold by the HP iPaq rx3115 (which itself is a low-volume seller). How do I know this? PalmOne disclosed this fact to myself and other members of the media during the Tungsten E2 product briefing early last month. And that info in turn came from NPD. Always a shame when the truth gets in the way of a damn good lie, isn't it?
"Also, if you want to spin this I honestly believe that there are a bunch of people on the Microsoft cash stream doing their thing here to trash the Palm OS. Yes, they are that desperate to try to gain market share."
Desperate to gain market share? Why...they've already stolen most of PalmSource's share of the mobile market. Windows Mobile is currently outselling PalmOS. If anything PalmSource needs to put a few people on its payroll to trash Windows Mobile in internet message boards, and try to gain back some of the market share they've lost to Microsoft.
By the way, the Chicago Zoo called. They want you back in your cage in time for opening tomorrow, along with the other ring-tailed Lemurs. And stop throwing your feces at park visitors.
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RE: It'll All Come Down To Details Now
God, what a great sentence!
Mobile Manager Admission
The introduction of a new category reflects usage patterns palmOne has tracked over time, especially among customers for its premium products. Customers of palmOne's high-end Tungsten(TM) T3 handheld computer, for example, show a strong affinity for taking full advantage of the included DataViz(R) Documents To Go(R) software, which puts Word, Excel and PowerPoint documents at their fingertips. Customers also have asked palmOne to provide them with convenient ways to carry, file and manage rich digital content, such as music and video. While overlap exists, palmOne has identified three major customer segments and assigned three corresponding product lines to better serve them. They are as follows.
Does this mean that they are accepting that the T5 was a mistake and that people are not using it to its supposed full potential because it was a lame duck before it was ever released? And then does it then follow that their “creation of a new category “ is a way of them getting round having to say we really got it wrong. They then go on to cite the Zire and Tungsten series for consumers and business professionals, Aren’t we all consumers and if we’re going to spend the money don’t we want more pow in our pound? Surely everyone who would consider buying a Tungsten branded series will now be waiting for the “Mobile Manager”. Only time will tell but I would not be surprised to see sale drop off for the T5 after the “Lifedrive” release and indeed it be removed from the market like it’s older but far superior brother the T3.
RE: Mobile Manager Admission
The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: Mobile Manager Admission
Zires for consumers (z31), entry level (zire, z21), and multimedia fun types (z71, z72)
Tungstens for the business (T|E, T|E2) or serious/power user (t3, t5, T|C)
Treos for the smartphone, mobile connected user (tr600, tr650)
Now this LifeDrive has its own category
This article mentions how T3 users tend to be the ones to pound away heavily at Office documents and such. Frankly, all i ever wanted was a PDA that could do PIMs with a HVGA screen, more than 32MB of user RAM, Voice recorder, and digicam, preferrably a vid cam as well. No one P1 PDA would do that. As little as 2 perhaps, but i want just one. I ended up sacrificing the digicam to get most of the features that i wanted.
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TV sighting?
I watched the show (ahem), but did not see it. Anyone else see it?
RE: TV sighting?
At least they had a new model's sneak peak on Housewives instead of a past-its-prime offering from the past (T|C etc).
Back on topic:
LD's success or failure is going to to come down to a few primary issues (build quality, battery life, size) and a slew of secondary ones, mostl outlined above. Other notable questions:
-Will it be more stable than T5?
-WIll G1 be offered as a hack/legit plug-in/Prefs option?
-Will the metal have an adverse affect on wi-fi performance?
-Has the OS been tweaked to permit IR & BT or BT & Wi-Fi access simultaneously?
-FAT 32 for the HD or will they have two 2gb partitions?
-Finally, how badly will the $500 MSRP cripple its success after the initial adopter frenzy has died down?
I know P1 has their new "Sock it to 'em early" pricing strategy (look at the Treo 650 and T|E2) but this thing should clearly be launched at $400. $500 is laptop territory (or a nice PPC/T|E2 and an iPod) and has heretofore been a no-man's land as far as volume sales. I expect the price to drop to $450 with the inevitable rebate by back-to-school time but for $500, this thing should be rock solid in every way possible. How P1 can offer the Zire 31 for such an attractive price and then be out of their minds on the LD is beyond me.
Of course, all of the above concerns would be moot points IF P1 announced a free Cobalt upgrade for LD owners "when it ships"-sorta like how the PC manufacturers gave you a free coupon to upgrade to XP from ME back in '01. I see an OS6 LD with a bigger HD on the horizon if this thing is even close to successful.
RE: TV sighting?
Hu!?!?!
Consumers know what Windows is, and they put some value on an upgrade to the next version of Windows.
The vast majority of PDA owners don't know the darn thing has an OPERATING SYSTEM, let alone knowing that in some cases it could be upgraded, let alone knowing what COBALT is, let alone diving a gamn.
Alessandro
RE: TV sighting?
1. $-laden college kids/hipsters looking for something "more" than an iPod mini
2. Long-time Palm users who are going to give the platform one final shot before throwing in the towel (the majority of the initial purchasers, I'd wager) and/or Treo users who are going back to separate devices b/c of the Treo's lack of 320*480/wi-fi support.
3. A vastly smaller group of blindly loyal Palm apologists who want to "supplement" their T5s aka The Best Handheld Ever
4. The usual early adopters & execs who will buy it on impulse and then unload it on E-Bay two weeks later.
Chop $100 off of the pricetag and the odds of at least moderate mainstream success are greatly enhanced. Remember, folks, P1's retail presence has been flagging as of late. BB is almost totally out of the PDA biz. The average Office Max, Staples, and CUSA have PDA counter displays that are in shambles. Target dropped all P1 inventory completely as did Wal-Mart. Sharper Image and the Apple stores wouldn't touch the thing so you can forget about the mall crowd buying them. P1 retail kiosks have just a handful of stores.
I have a feeling that the LD won't appear in too many chains other than CUSA, Staples, and OD while saddled with a $500 pricetag.
RE: TV sighting?
I for one will opt for a 4GB, USB2 PDA with HVGA rather then a huge (the 4700 is big!) VGA screen ill-used (have you thought about DPI?? It's a great technological achivement with no cocreat purpose... 3.8" HVGA look as good as 4" VGA screens..)
With 4GB I can store 4 hours of movies for my kids when I am traveling, I can store my entire "My Documents" (reaching 1.5GB as of today) and still have enough space for most of Europe maps for a good navigation software.. so basicaly it DOES provide a good laptop-like expirience and a good media player..
Throw in your bag a BT foldable keyboard and you are king of the road.
Moshe
RE: TV sighting?
I do, however, have gripes with recent P1 efforts and most certainly with the $500 pricetag. Consumers nowadays are very price sensitive, having gotten spoiled by rzor thin margins on consumer electronics and bottom-barrel Chinese hardware. By and large, that stuff works pretty much as advertised and if it is buggy, you can junk it and buy a new one for less than a Franklin.
P1 is notorious for cutting corners and shipping half-baked hardware. I don't see charging $500 *cough T|T cough* as the panacea for the shoddy craftsmanship and quality control that's ailed them over the past four years.
LifeDrive in Apple Stores
The Apple Stores UK (i.e. both web and physical shops) sell the full range of PalmOne Tungstens and Zires. The PalmOne LifeDrive has some potential for competing against Apple's 4GB iPod Mini but let's face it, the iPod Mini is cheaper and smaller; it's unlikely that someone will buy a LifeDrive JUST to listen to music!
I think Apple can safely stock the LifeDrive in its shops. Okay, they may lose a few sales to people would have bought a handheld AND an iPod but if you're someone who buys a handheld with a memory card slot and a headphone socket, you're more likely to get music software for your handheld and a flash card than an iPod anyway.
RE: TV sighting?
Back on topic:
LD's success or failure is going to .........
But that WAS the topic. We're talking about (in this thread) the LD being sighted on TV. Never saw Desperate Housewives. I have seen Little Black Book and the T|C which seemed to be the real star of the movie. I also saw a zodiac on an episode of Law & Order SVU. Benson's kid was playing some hockey game on it at his house. Another zodiac appeared in that awful TV network movie Locusts where it was being used to track locust movement across the country using some mapping software.
@hkklife again... curious, in what situation would you want to have BT+wifi on simultaneously? I'm guessing wifi to web browse in some hotspot while BT to connect to your WL keyboard or other BT accessory?
And finally, while some of the pOS community still eagery awaits Cobalt... my impression is that most of us are done with that optimissm. I'd be more inclined to believe a jesus look-alike running down the street screaming the world is coming to an end than Cobalt coming out anytime soon. Didn't they shelve Cobalt for a new Linux based pOS?
@everyone else
PDA presence has been dying in most of all brick and mortar stores. If it's not some dumbdumb lazylazy associates who can't keep their PDA selection well powered, it's the store just losing interest in them and shoving their PDA wares into a darker corner. In one CC, the PDA wares is next to the restroom. What I am surprised is that the ipaq demo models have dumbed down alot. From 6 - 8 to half that many.
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RE: TV sighting?
This appears to be one of those items that is going to need a dang good marketing plan in order to get out in the public's eye and show what it can be. I don't think the iPod would be as successful without their marketing plan that they threw out. Being that palmOne is announcing a new "product category," I wouldn't be surprised if they had something big in store...
RE: TV sighting?
RE: TV sighting?
Yes, connected to a wi-fi hotspot while typing furiously on a BT keyboard. Since it looks like no tethered Athena keyboards are on the horizon and I cannot STAND the ThinkOutside IR keyboard (too sensitive), BT is my final hope. In older Palm devices, the IR & UC could be used simultaneously but not BT/wi-fi and IR. I am going to continue my assumption that you can only have one "wireless method" going at a time, whether it be IR, BT or wi-fi.
LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
1) Is the 8-limit Find function fixed?
2) When using Find in Calendar, does it show dates of found items?
3) Can it play DiVXed AVIs natively (ie, NO conversion)?
4) Can it play MPEG video natively (ie, NO conversion)?
5) Does the HD make any noise?
6) Torture test: Loop a video til the battery warning comes up: How long?
7) Torture text: Loop an MP3 til the battery warning comes up: How long?
-- the rest of you feel free to pile on with your questions too.
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
good idea, Mike. let's all add non-trivial questions -
9. How snappy is the GUI/OS compared to the T3 (with a LOADED LifeDrive)?
10. Is there a G2 imput lag/delay?
11. Will a G1 Patch Work? Will Tealscript work?
12. What version of Garnet?
13. Where does the PIM data reside? RAM or Hard Drive?
14. How fast to Soft Reset? Hard Reset?
15. How fast is WIFI/surfing the web?
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
-will a cradle be included?
-can you reset the device with your stylus?
add-on,
-will jot and other writing utilities work?
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
(1) How easy is it to set up a Bluetooth connection?
(2) How easy is it to set up a WiFi connection?
(3) How many taps/button presses/clicks to key applications?
(4) How different and how intuitive is the new synchronisation system?
These and similar questions will speak to whether the "Zen of Palm" is still maintained.
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Zen means cheap
According to VOR (or is it Gekko) the "Zen of Palm" was always a (very successful) marketing strategy to sell cheap underpowered devices at inflated prices.
I must say many things make more sense when looked at through a jaundiced view.
Surur
Only then will the Palm Zen Masters™ enlighten you(r wallet)
I must say many things make more sense when looked at through a jaundiced view.
Aaaah so, Grasshopper. Not jaundiced - just honest. Businesses are all about making money, and market manipulation/spin/mind control/fad creation are a big part of the equation with tech devices. So no one can fault Palm for using that sleazy spin to fleece customers for so many years with cheap hardware. I plunked down my money for my old Pilots and was grateful Palm even existed. Likewise, no one from Palm ever put a gun to anyone's head and forced them to pay $400 for a Palm Vx or the egregious Dungsten "5". And no one forces Apple Cultists to buy ridiculously overpriced Apple hardware/fashion statements.
The Zen of Palm died when it became obvious that Palm's primitive hardware was looking REALLY silly in the stores next to PPC hardware. Suddenly, color screens/poor battery life/media expansion/MP3/increased bundling of apps, etc. became acceptable to Palm. Overnight. Hmmmmmmm....
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
1) Is the 8-limit Find function fixed?
This is not wanted by those who have time to use Find right.
2) When using Find in Calendar, does it show dates of found items?
Why do you want that? That is what the caldender is for. Dates would take up too much screen space.
3) Can it play DiVXed AVIs natively (ie, NO conversion)?
Who wants that? Last thing I want is to watch a whole movie on my Palm. Gawd, go to a bar and have a few beers and get a date!
4) Can it play MPEG video natively (ie, NO conversion)?
Again who wants that other than a bunch of over vocal minorities that can't afford a portable DVD player?
5) Does the HD make any noise?
What hard disk doesn't noise? I can see it now, someone will complain it is too quite and someone will do a patch so the speaker makes hard drive noises so you can detect hard disk access.
6) Torture test: Loop a video til the battery warning comes up: How long?
Long enough for a half dozen women to check you doing this at a coffee house with you getting the "silent ewww!"
7) Torture text: Loop an MP3 til the battery warning comes up: How long?
Long enough for a dozen women to check you doing this at a coffee house with you getting the "silent ewww!"
8) Does wifi support WPA (still MIA on the wifi card)
9) How snappy is the GUI/OS compared to the T3 (with a LOADED LifeDrive)?
Snappy? I guess below zero seconds is too slow for most of the crowd here.
10) Is there a G2 input lag/delay?
11) Will a G1 Patch Work? Will Tealscript work?
Ever hear of a virtual keyboard?
12) What version of Garnet?
Buy one and find out. If you can afford it. Or will the guys at Circuit City kick you out of the store too soon?
13) Where does the PIM data reside? RAM or Hard Drive?
Oh man, and I though it would take a while for people to buy one and then complain about this feature. Now we have pre-release vapor-bugs.
14) How fast to Soft Reset? Hard Reset?
I can see it now. People will complain about spin up time on a PDA -- woowoo!
15) How fast is WIFI/surfing the web?
Obviously it will never be fast enough for you.
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
1) Is the 8-limit Find function fixed?
This is not wanted by those who have time to use Find right.
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What does it mean to use Find in the "right" way? When I hit find, I want it to show me all references to that word in the databases of interest. Why would I want there to be a limit on the number of items that might show?
Actually, I wish I could specify which apps to search in (on a system level, not a per app level) and I wish that the list of results was more easily navigable too. Basically I wish Find was *more* powerful not less.
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2) When using Find in Calendar, does it show dates of found items?
Why do you want that? That is what the caldender is for. Dates would take up too much screen space.
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You want to see the date because you can have two events with similar descriptions happening on different days, obviously.
As for dates taking too much room, I don't have that problem on my T3... (but it would be even better if the Find form was able to fill the screen in landscape orientation)
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3) Can it play DiVXed AVIs natively (ie, NO conversion)?
Who wants that? Last thing I want is to watch a whole movie on my Palm. Gawd, go to a bar and have a few beers and get a date!
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I don't think this is really an issue since it is already possible to watch native DivX movies just fine using third party software, but I think plenty of people would like this feature. People already watch TV or video on the phones; a PDA size screen is a great improvement.
I almost never agree with mikecane, but in this case I think you are being overly dismissive...
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
You win my "first real laugh of the day award". Thanks
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
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I'm not convinced that this matters either. Some argue that all the software should be preinstalled to run DIVX... but not even Windows XP has that feature built in.
People who know what DIVX is are going to be able to find the program that supports it.
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
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BubbaSteve: you are officially nominated to personally follow the trajectories of those PDA as they are thrown off the bridge. Hope someone straps a couple hundred pounds of Palm's new Brick PDA™ to you to better analyze what happens to a soft object (your head) in a high impact collision.
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
RE: LifeDrive checklist for reviewers
Thanks for the mention but I do not have much to comment on towards the LD. I'll be sure to think about the reviewer questions when I get my chance to fondle an LD.
antoinerjwright.com
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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Palm 6
What difference would that make to a "mobile manager"? Palm6 has been a long wait, but are we actually waiting for..?
RE: Palm 6
RE: Palm 6
I can't believe these morons at PalmOne think they can create their own product category through marketing alone. Yes, and through my analysis, I've decided that everyone needs square coffee mugs to drink out of instead of round ones. Don't be afraid though, I'll be releasing one at the end of the month because I knew you just couldn't do without one before.
The PalmOne shareholders should be screaming at the top of their lungs at this ridiculous annoucement, but all the majority of them care about is short term stock gains. Who cares if the Palm OS is gone in another year or two, when they'll be profiting off the PalmOne Windows Mobile devices.
RE: PalmOS 6 - Did pa1mOne have a good reason to avoid it?
Wow, ganoe - you're on a roll. Yet another Clueless Comment blaming the victim. Get your facts straight, Bubba. pa1mOne isn't a charity. They have to do whatever it takes to ensure their survival, and if one of its Skinny Puppies can't keep up the pace, it's best to cut them loose rather than bringing down the whole pack. Law of the Jungle™. It's sort of like chopping off a diseased, infected limb before the infection can spread and kill the rest of the body. (Analogy just for Mike Cane.)
pa1mOne has thus far incredibly managed to weather the Cobalt Catastrophe relatively unscathed. Had they embraced Cobalt as you think they should have, pa1mOne would no longer be in business. Sorry, but that's the brutal truth. Give these guys a little credit. They know a lot more about gambling in this industry than you could ever understand and wisely chose to save themselves first. "Women and children first"? Don't make me laugh. In business it's "Every man for himself".
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...
RE: Palm 6
Not true Gekko. Remember how much fun and important it was in December 2003, to see if they would actually hit the release date they promised ... "before the end of the year". We debated, hacked, attacked, spew and argued up to and even past the 6.0 release date.
Surely that's worth a few $ million!
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Flyboy vs LifeDrive
PR release: http://tinyurl.com/af7b5
>>>The Linux-based MediaREADY FlyBoy™ Portable Media Player allows you to record up to 80 hours of video, store over 200,000 digital pictures, or hold up to 740 hours of music on its 40 GB hard drive and enjoy it all on the move. The Flyboy has a easy to watch 3.5 inch LCD screen with built-in speakers. The internal USB 2.0 hard drive allows your Flyboy™ to receive files from a connected MediaREADY™ 4000, MediaREADY™ 5000 or PC. The MediaREADY Flyboy™ has a $349 MSRP and is now available online.
http://www.vwbinc.com/products.html
At that price, I doubt it's more than a 240x320 screen...
RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
# Size: WxHxD : 146mm x 87mm x 297mm
# Weight : 10oz (300g) with battery
# Display : 3.5¨, 320 x 240 pixel resolution, backlit LCD Display
# Capacity: 40GB Hard drive
# Power: 12V-DC In, 100-240V AC Adapter
# Battery: 7.4V 1360mAh rechargable Lithium-ion
# Accessories: AC/DC adapter, Lithium-ion battery, carry case, stereo earphones, IR remote control, A/V cable, USB 2.0 cable
Shipping Weight: 14 oz.
RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
Device weight 10 ounces, shipping weight 14 ounces? I guess they don't include a manual.
RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
Interesting names I must say
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RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
BTW, I saw that 80GB HDed Archos in a store today. Brick! And the other Media Players I saw were Super Bricks!
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RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
146mm == 5.7in.
87mm == 3.4in.
297mm == 11.7in.
So the flyboy is 3.4in thick? That can't be right, can it?
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RE: Flyboy vs LifeDrive
RE: How long? Got rejected as not high tech enough
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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RE: How long?
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/panasonic/dc3000-review/
I had an iPalm back in '01 right after I got my m505. Probably one of the first products to piggyback on Apple's naming nomenclature (though not their early iMac styling).
RE: How long?
http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/ipalm.jpg
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Apple iPalm™... coming soon?
The irony is if Apple ever DID release your design it would probably be a smash hit. Funny how far a little good industrial design and curvy plastic can take you...
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...
Security Issues
Carrying your life in your pocket, this thing better have a hell of a security program. People have hacked into cell phones (Paris Hilton and Fred Durst), it's ineviable that hackers and thieves would try to steal or hack into this.
KAY
RE: Security Issues
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the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse
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My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71 --> Tungsten T3 (with 5 of 6 screws still remaining) --> zodiac 2?
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RE: Security Issues
RE: Security Issues
RE: Security Issues
What security will OS5/Garnet offer the LifeDrive's 4GB Hard Drive?
I have a feeling that "Private" and "Autolock" will not be sufficient.
RE: Security Issues - What Me Worry?
Palm should have licenced TealLock years ago and made it part of the ROM. Oh wait a minute. Doing that would have gone against "The Zen of Palm", wouldn't it? Sorry.
I especially love those PalmOS backup apps that don't encrypt data or that allow you to restore to a new device without asking for a password. (Hey, Mike Waldron: Wassuuuuuuuuuup!!!)
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...
RE: Security Issues
[signature0]
the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse
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My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71 --> Tungsten T3 (with 5 of 6 screws still remaining) --> zodiac 2?
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RE: Security Issues
I should recommend a neat little utility called I'm-Not-Important-Enough-To-Get-Hacked. After realizing just how effective this little app is, I've not had a worry in the world about my data security.
RE: Security Issues
Not much fear in losing those maxxed out Viser numbers, huh? :-)
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Apple idrive
It would also motivate Apple to assimilate PalmOne/source, similar to PalmOne buying up Handspring for its Treo technology.
Apple would gain an instant solid foothold in the PDA, cellphone, idrive market with no overlap whatsoever. The main change would be a true innovative ruthless leader like Steve Jobs kickin PalmOne to get their act together and come out with some innovative, less buggy products.
RE: Apple idrive
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Of course, I don't know how interesting any of this really is, but now you've got it in your brain cells so you're stuck with it. --Gary Larson
RE: Apple idrive
HUH? Business slave connotations?!??!?
Announcing a product category: absurd!
It's as if Toyota announced the 'Flying Vehicle' product category and said 'we'll have a car that flies any decade now!'
I don't want to spank Palm in general -- I love my Treo -- but this announcement reeks of desperation.
RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
they're building up the suspense to try to suck you in.
i'm not touching this pig until all the reviews are in.
RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
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the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse
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My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71 --> Tungsten T3 (with 5 of 6 screws still remaining) --> zodiac 2?
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RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
* Fixed the FIND Contacts limit bug
* Adds back the T3->T5 missing features (Vib. alarm, Voice rec. etc)
* Comes with Cradle
The early signs are good on the case being robust and professional - unlike the T5 and E2.
What I want to know is "Will PalmOne come out with a variant of this (Tungsten T6?) that removes the harddive and is slimmed down?" This is what I am after. I have the stupid hope that the will announce 2 products (Lifedrive and the "Tungsten T6"). I don't want to splash out on a Lifedrive only to find out 3 months later they come out with what I really want. I'd be happy with the luanch of the Lifedrive with a mention annoucement of the slimmer product "coming soon" ... at least I know to wait!
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Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. - Sir Winston Churchill
Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem - Henry Kissinger
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RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
Maybe they can shock mount the vibra-motor so it won't cause any interference with the HDD. :-o
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
I too am worried about coughing up the $ for an LD only to find out a sleeker, cheaper, non-HD spin-off Tungsten is announced in late summer or this fall. Of course, that's the price you pay for progress! I am going to be sorely disappointed (among other things) if a cradle's not included with the LD at the $500 retail price. Considering Amazon didn't list a cradle as one of the accessories for it (just cases & styli) then it'll hopefully either include one or use the same T5 cradle.
RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
Maybe they can shock mount the vibra-motor so it won't cause any interference with the HDD. :-o
Yes, that would reduce the transmitted vibration enough not to damage the hard drive. If you use enough padding you could reduce vibration enough that you could not even feel it if it was in your pocket! That would be perfect!
Surur
RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
Or mount little jingle bells on the heads and initiate a random track seek.
Or park the heads real hard, over and over, at say 60 Hz.
Or mount an ultrasonic transducer that vibrates whatever is next to it, rather than the device itself.
Oh the fun you can have with vibrators, ahem.
RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
RE: Announcing a product category: absurd!
If they do have vib on LDs, I would like to see P1 jack up the vibration effect and make it more customizable. The former in just making it so intense that you'd actually be able to hear it going off evne in silent mode... like a cell phone. Latter in allowing you to set frequency vibrations and effects (eg helicoptor, single strong, pulse, etc.). Of all the new features of my T3 from my z71, BT is technically the most useless, but vibration is the biggest disappointment.
LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
nice find. my 4 big concerns are:
1. Sluggish GUI/data access due to NVFS.
2. Bugs/Crashiness due to NVFS/Garnet/Sloppy programming.
3. No G1 patch or app available.
4. poor backward compatibility with many OS5 apps.
RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
Very cool find.
RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
Thank God we have Core now!
RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
* The PDF shows a depth of the device as 0.76" on the picture and 0.74" in the Feature Table of the same PDF. While 2/100th of an inch is a bit like p*ssing in the wind I hope the accuracy of the code running on the thing is better. Regardless this is too think for me - I am the executive geek - I want someting thin and no HDD that will get damaged when I drop the thing (which I will!). Strike 1.
* No cradle - just a cable. WHAT! On a (rumored to be) $499. Strike 2.
* The way PalmOne are going these days I would not be surprised to see the following feature bullet: "Ability to Search unlimited number of contacts" as a new feature as they fix the FIND bug. Speaking of which ... someone out there has one of these babies in their hands. Does it still have the bug? This could be the clincher...strike 3 or not?
I'm sure there are many this will be a good product for...I'm still waiting.
Neil
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Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. - Sir Winston Churchill
Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem - Henry Kissinger
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RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
RE: LifeDrive PDF spec sheet leaked!
Maybe because you can use the LD as a storage device for photos by offloading them from your REAL digital camera to the LD. Sit down and S T F U. Please.
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...
WELL, WHERE IS IT?!!?
What's going on here?!
Let's have that damned announcement already!
RE: WELL, WHERE IS IT?!!?
Cane: "At my signal, unleash hell."
No excuses this time, Palm. No excuses.
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...
RE: WELL, WHERE IS IT?!!?
PalmOne's Special Offers page shows that PalmOne will offer free overnight shipping for LifeDrive purchases.
This slip up officially confirms the LifeDrive rumors at last. 1SRC's anonymous source has told us that the LifeDrive is set to be launched tomorrow (Wednesday). We have created a new forum called "LifeDrive."
We have managed to take a snapshot of the page:
See more (including screen shot) at http://tinyurl.com/8cpha
BTW - PalmOne already removed the page but someone at 1Src got it captured.
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Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. - Sir Winston Churchill
Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem - Henry Kissinger
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