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RE: New names for Palm OS and PalmSource?
Whatever, hopefully they sound better than Garnet and Cobalt...
But I have a feeling that PalmSource is about to under a major change in its strategy from selling OS to selling an extra platform layer, so that you could have Palm on Linux, Palm on Cobalt, Palm on Windows CE, Palm on Mac OSX, Palm on Symbian, and Palm on whatever...
RE: New names for Palm OS and PalmSource?
Nah.
Cobalt = Dead in the water
Windows CE = Resource hog (among other things)
OS X = Not a mobile device OS
Symbian = Smartphones only
Suggested new names
Be Gone
-- essentially, that's it.
This is all legalese. PalmSource is for all intents and purposes DEAD.
RE: Suggested new names
Besides, you would have been the ONLY person who, after leaving that company, would have written the TRUTH about it.
They couldn't have that!
It's a good thing for you too: the rest of your life would have been taken up giving depositions for all of the forthcoming licensee and investor lawsuits!
I'm sure Gassee has regularly been parking his money in the Caymans -- and then to Switzerland. Cherchez those Euros, Jean!!
The Chinese Factor
The Happy Lucky Landfill Company (China), LLC today announced the total acquisition of the company formerly known as PalmSource, Inc.
In keeping with the brand that has gained notoriety in China since its exclusive contract with palmOne, Inc. made it very very rich through an exclusive contract for the disposal of the failed Tungsten T5 line of pocket disorganizers, the new company will heretofore be known as The Happy Lucky Operating System Company (China), LLC.
Please note that this statement contains forward-looking statements, and since we are Chinese and intend to rule the rest of you dogs within twenty years, make your time.
PSource now claims FORTY-FIVE licensees!
Which are the Infamous Eleven?
RE: PSource now claims FORTY-FIVE licensees!
Surur
RE: PSource now claims FORTY-FIVE licensees!
>>>Nagel went on to share his thoughts about the fragmented Microsoft Windows Smartphone approach, "Microsoft says it has more than 25 licensees [for its Windows Mobile software] but I challenge anyone to name more than five. Most of them will never bring out products," he said. "It’s crazy to take a small market and slice it 25 ways. Nobody makes any money."
RE: PSource now claims FORTY-FIVE licensees!
Ah Mike, this is a big part why I come to this web site. Brighthand and 1src is just plain boring. Its wonderfully entertaining here!
Surur
RE: PSource now claims FORTY-FIVE licensees!
Well - I am not arguing with your point, but Garmin does still license Palm OS and fairly recently re;eased a new version of the iQue 3600 (the 3600a is the 'aviation version' of the 3600) released after the Win Mobile version. So it is not correct to say they do not license the OS. But you are right - where are the major licensees?
RE: PSource now claims FORTY-FIVE licensees!
PalmSource Licensess at 12
The 45 claim seems to be a misunderstanding.
Flagrans Veritatis Studio
RE: PSource now claims FORTY-FIVE licensees!
>>>PalmSource dosnt have 45 licensees, its website dosnt claim that.
>>>The 45 claim seems to be a misunderstanding.
Are you an idiot (as if you could even answer *that* question)? It comes from their own damned press release!
RE: PSource now claims FORTY-FIVE licensees!
I was wondering why you didn't include other licensees like Handspring.... and all those other older, more obscure ones that die relatively quickly
P1 sees OS as profit - not their hardware
Moreover, if P1's recent PDA offerings (and the Company's increasingly dreadful Support - both to retailers and users) are anything to go by, it would seem that the Company would really rather prefer to give up on the PDA market entirely and simply be a provider of smartphones to the wireless industry - distancing themselves even further from the user of their product.
Hardly surprising therefore that they want unfettered access to the OS. Providing they can stop screwing around with it and make it stable again, that, with wireless, may be their way 'out of the darkness'.
RE: P1 sees OS as profit - not their hardware
There is nothing stopping Palm from running their user interface on top of Win CE (not pocketpc or windows mobile), and styletap has shown that they wont have to lose compatibility with their old software either.
Just because they are running on win ce does not mean they will be competing with Dell. Whats under the hood does not have to be visible to the end user, except for the greater stability of new software, which would also be able to multi-task. The old OS is a millstone. The UI can easily be copied to run on top of any OS.
Surur
RE: P1 sees OS as profit - not their hardware
"People who like M$ products tend to be insecure crowd-following newbies lacking in experience or imagination."
RE: P1 sees OS as profit - not their hardware
MS licenses are quite cheap actually. The OS is also quite stable and proven in the market, vs the POS which has just become buggier with time.
Surur
RE: P1 sees OS as profit - not their hardware
RE: P1 sees OS as profit - not their hardware
*cough* *cough* *gag!*
RE: P1 sees OS as profit - not their hardware
I certainly don't soft-reset 6-9 times per day.
Surur
RE: P1 sees OS as profit - not their hardware
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Sean
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.
RE: P1 sees OS as profit - not their hardware
RE: P1 sees OS as profit - not their hardware
But only because we take your coins at par...
Where is Mace NOW?
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=2966
Do you want to drop any hints on future licensees?
We've said in public that we're working on Asia. Beyond that I'd end up screwing up the negotiations if I dropped any specific hints.
I don't want to set the expectation that all of a sudden there are going to be 15 Palm OS licensees because we don't want to flood the market with so many licensees that no one can make money. It would be easy to really screw up this market by doing too much licencing too fast. On the other hand, there is room for more licensees and you'll see us go after some folks aggressively. There is more to come.
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Note to Mace: You DO NOT get to count palmOne/Palm! That should make things easier...
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
Here he is -
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What we'll do
>PalmSource has not said what it will do after the transition period is over.
We'll have a new name.
There was a huge amount of confusion about what the Palm name meant -- hardware devices, software, etc. We frequently ran into customers and even reporters who couldn't keep track of the difference between PalmSource and palmOne.
Benjamin Franklin once said something to the effect of: when you realize you have made a mistake, the worst thing you can do is keep supporting that mistake. Trying to share the brand between two companies didn't work, and now we've fixed it. The name was more closely associated with hardware in most customers' minds, so it made sense for palmOne to have the name.
Mike
CCO, PalmSource Inc.
Michael Mace
05-24-2005 06:20 PM
http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?threadid=118473
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
>>>I am flattered that Mr. Mace repsonds here at Brighthand's humble forum, but his comments continue to show he doesn't get it. It is not the name that has caused PalmOne to fall behind in market share; it is their failure to deliver.
CCO, C yourself!
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
"Reorganizing can be a wonderful method for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
And does Mace *really* believe this?
>>>Check out how things look in 2009, when we'll have the new name and four years of marketing behind it.
Mace = The New Criswell?
"We are all interested in the future, because that is where we will live."
Pull the Strings, Mace!
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
Out of curiousity, deliver *what* exactly? I think we're kind of in a vague "42" kind of area here. What exactly was PalmOne supposed to deliver that they didn't do?
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
You could -- well, *Mace* could --- say that he is proving his (Mace's) own assertion about the name confusion.
Still waiting for those Eleven Licensees of Nagel's...
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
"Nit, nit, nit. I think he meant PalmSource, although both companies have fallen from their real peak (Palm) and Nagel-hallucinatory peak (PalmSource)."
Have they really? Okay, I'll grant that Cobalt hasn't caught hold nearly as fast as anyone hoped. I'm worried about that myself. But from PalmOne's perspective...
Here's another line from the same Rapson post Mike quoted earlier:
"the company has not delivered a really satisfying product of the level of the Palm V."
This is demonstratably not true! The Tungsten E outsold the Palm V. The Tungsten E was the most popular model Palm ever made. The E2 is selling well, and might topple the Vx. Personally, while I detested the Palm V design, I loved my E and I love my E-like T5. (Not to say Palm didn't have their lemons, too; the T3 sucked.)
This is devolving quickly into jilted fanboy ranting. It's all subjective. How do you define "really satisfying," anyway?
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
Caught hold?!!? "Hoped"?!!?
Hey, NAGEL EXPLICITLY ANNOUNCED WE'D HAVE COBALT DEVICES BY NOW.
From the looks of things, only *Group Sense* (whoooo?) will deliver one -- and 4Q this year (and probably only in China?!!?).
Stop excusing failure. These guys were paid a frikkin FORTUNE. It's people like these that make me want to warm up lampposts...
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
-Davy Fields
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
The resulting effect of this broken road of mishaps, missteps, and mismanagement is that confidence in PalmOS is eroding. Right now it's is beginning to take on that sweet pungent odor of death. Who would want to hitch their cart to a dying horse? That's the line of thinking that will permeate the minds of would-be developers and potential licensees. Unless something dramatic takes place to reverse these trends, I don't hold much hope for seeing any device with a "Palm-powered" logo on back in 2009.
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RE: Where is Mace NOW?
I know this will sound like I'm just jumping on the bandwagon, but if I was a Palm developer with a fanatical following like Pimlico Software I would be preparing a port of my product to windows mobile, and automatically cash in on all the users jumping ship.
People praise the UI of Palm software a lot, but in the end the "look and feel" of a device can be replicated on any other device.
e.g.
vs.
http://www.resco.net/palm/explorer/screenshots.asp
The Palm one just looks purtier
Surur
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
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Beware a blast from the past...
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
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RE: Where is Mace NOW?
Surur
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
Exactly. And LIFE ISN'T FAIR.
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
Mace used to post here all the time. You *KNOW* he's still here lurking though.
RE: Where is Mace NOW?
--The only reason Symbian dominates is due to the popularity of Nokia phones.Exactly. And LIFE ISN'T FAIR.
Agreed. I hope you can agree that Windows Mobile is competing on merit in the PDA/Smart-phone field (vs the campaign of dirty tricks MS have always been accused of in other areas) and that they are coming from behind against a company with a huge brand and installed base.
From what I've heard about MS culture, this is the kind of fight they like. To their advantage is the low public awareness of the Symbian OS vs Windows, and the high turnover rate of mobile phones.
They have a huge fight on their hands. May the best OS win.
Surur
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New names for Palm OS and PalmSource?
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