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Gartner has released its latest global forecast for mobile phones predicting that the milestone of one billion units sold per year will be reached in 2009. The report also states smartphones are the fastest growing category of mobile devices sold.
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would be nice to see how they define 'smartphone'

craigf @ 7/22/2005 9:59:33 AM # Q
What are Gartner's criteria? Are they the same criteria that normal people use (or even the people that read this board)?
RE: would be nice to see how they define 'smartphone'
sr4 @ 7/22/2005 12:46:25 PM # Q

Here's and informative recent article. They are basically saying that if it does voice well and a lot, its a smartphone. If it does it poorly its a PDA. This why they classify the Treo as a smartphone and the Blackberry as a PDA.

http://www.internetnews.com/stats/article.php/3484291

Surur

RE: would be nice to see how they define 'smartphone'
fishtastic @ 7/22/2005 2:53:12 PM # Q
Time for Palm to make a phone without that big sticky out aerial which pan-handled sales in Europe and produce it with RF performance approaching that of Nokia, or at least not pitiful. Then then will have a chance of getting their fare share of that 1 billion phones a year market.

Fish

RE: would be nice to see how they define 'smartphone'
ginsberg @ 7/23/2005 4:31:25 PM # Q
These Gartner numbers include all mobile phones, not just smartphones. Smartphones currently comprise only about 5 percent of all mobile phone shipments, but that percentage is growing steadily.

I'm not sure about all of the qualifications Gartner makes in determining what is a smartphone versus a "regular" mobile phone or cellular PDA. But I'm sure that smartphones have to have a real OS so that users can add-in off-the-shelf third-party software to their smartphone after the purchase. So there are Symbian, Microsoft, Palm, Linux and RIM-based smartphones.

I don't think Java (J2ME) based phones are smartphones, since every phone vendor has their own flavor of Java.

RE: would be nice to see how they define 'smartphone'
Altema @ 7/27/2005 2:32:17 PM # Q
I guess the line gets pretty blurry of you define just by capability. Let's see, my phone does calendar, appointments, tasks, notes, voice recording, email with multiple accounts using POP or IMAP, ebooks, photo editing, web browsing, games, and 3rd party apps. However those are 3rd party Java apps, so it's a smartphone to Gartner, and a regular phone to everyone else. Is there a category for semi-smart non POS/WMOS phones? Oh well, it gets signal in places that no one else does in addition to all that other stuff, so at least it's cool to me!

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More bad news for Palm: PDAs are dying...

The_Voice_of_Reason @ 7/27/2005 9:47:40 PM # Q
http://www.canalys.com/pr/2005/r2005071.htm

(to interpret these figures more realistically, simply delete the Symbian numbers and recalculate!)

Bottom line: Treo is STILL kicking a$$, but the Windows juggernaut appears to be picking up steam.

Take a look at this surreal thread at another site for more startling evidence that something's not quite right with Jeff Kirvin.

http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92694&page=6&pp=15

I was stunned to see the lack of outrage over his seemingly-deranged attacks on Foo Fighter. An apology is in order, but given Kirvin's (lack of) character, I doubt he'll ever admit to having been way out of line.

TVoR


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The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: More bad news for Palm: PDAs are dying...
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 7/27/2005 10:27:53 PM # Q
And here are the IDC reports:

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS00202205

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS00203505



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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

And TapWave is GONE!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 7/27/2005 10:55:47 PM # Q
Gone. Done. Played out.


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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

Next on the PalmOS deathpool...
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 7/27/2005 10:59:38 PM # Q
Or was the Tapwave website just hacked? ;-O
Either way, Tapwave is not long for this world.


Let's see:


HandEra

Acer

Handspring

Sony

AlphaSmart

TapWave??? ;-O

Garmin...?
Kyocera...?
Lenovo...?
Fossil...? (heh heh heh!)

Time to update this page:
http://www.palmsource.com/partners/licensee.html

Mike Cane must be ready to have a seizure right about now.

TVoR


All your Tapwaves are belong to ME. Ph33r my 1337 haxx0R sk1llZ.


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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: More bad news for Palm: PDAs are dying...
hkklife @ 7/28/2005 1:01:20 AM # Q
It does look a touch unprofessional to be a "real" corporate whit flag waving....but then again, it could've been simply whoever was in the building before the doors were locked writing the obituary for tapwave.com

This pretty much confirms everything the Voice, myself and other have been saying on here for the past year.

Here's my "batten down the hatches and circle the wagons, Ma" emergency Palm OS resuscitation plan:

#1 ALL of the remaining Palm OS licensees are driftwood!! Let them ride out the terms of their contracts and/or just pretend like they don't exist anymore.

#2 Palm needs to go ahead and slyly pull the plug on PalmSource, tank their stock, and pick up the remnants for pennies on the dollar.

#3 Work out an ironclad agreement with LG (they're the ONLY ones with any clout and resources anymore) to make sure all pertinent pricepoints are covered across the board. Heck, keep Symbol along as a reminder of the good ol' days.

#4 Do some 11th hour repair work on Garnet and get Cobalt devices shipping in SOME form or another by year's end.

#5 Bring all of the remaing developers who give a rat's a$$ close to the fold (Dataviz, Handmark, SplashData etc) and threaten to CANE them if they don't provide rock-solid bundled apps with every future Palm product. Palm also needs to give better support in regards to the FrankenGarnet crazyquilt to developers (one thing I DO agree with Kirvin on).

#6 Meanwhile Palm needs to put all of their eggs into getting PoL shipped at some point in '06! It's as simple as that. Better to delay it a bit longer than have it just a fancier version of the mess OS5.x's become.


If ALL of the above fails...then sell the whole damn parcel to Lenovo/Matsu****a/LG so they can assimilate at least the Palm and Treo names (that potent combo's worth AT LEAST 31 mil nowadays, right?)!

P.S.
For the record, Voice, I'd mark Garmin off too. Other than some fancy aviation-oriented bundle (just a rehased 3600) they haven't released anything Palm-based lately but they'd still put out, what, three Windows-based units in a row? Same with Kyocera. You'd actually have an easier time walking into a store and buying a Fossil wrist PDA than you'd have going to a cellular store and buying a Samsung or Kyocera Palm-powered smartphone from any provider.

RE: More bad news for Palm: PDAs are dying...
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 7/28/2005 1:22:59 AM # Q
It does look a touch unprofessional to be a "real" corporate whit flag waving....but then again, it could've been simply whoever was in the building before the doors were locked writing the obituary for tapwave.com

The Tapwave announcement was written by Billy Wong, the janitor/Wi-Fi driver coder/delivery man that works at Tapwave corporate HQ.

This pretty much confirms everything the Voice, myself and other have been saying on here for the past year.

Yep. But Tapwave's demise was probably the most inevitable failure (besides Fossil) of any PalmOS licensee. I'm sure even Mike Cane could have seen this coming a long time ago.

Here's my "batten down the hatches and circle the wagons, Ma" emergency Palm OS resuscitation plan:

#1 ALL of the remaining Palm OS licensees are driftwood!! Let them ride out the terms of their contracts and/or just pretend like they don't exist anymore.

WHAT remaining PalmOS licensees? Believe it or not, no one wants PalmOS 5 or 6. And PalmOS 7 ("PalmLinux") is vaporware.

#2 Palm needs to go ahead and slyly pull the plug on PalmSource, tank their stock, and pick up the remnants for pennies on the dollar.

Already in place. We're about to see some corporate games that would have done Gordon Gekko (or Enron) proud. Remember to take notes. Posts at Palminfocenter will probably be Exhibit 1 during the trial if/when PalmSource's shareholders sue for damages. ;-O

#3 Work out an ironclad agreement with LG (they're the ONLY ones with any clout and resources anymore) to make sure all pertinent pricepoints are covered across the board. Heck, keep Symbol along as a reminder of the good ol' days.

PalmSource isn't exactly in a position to dictate terms to LG. PalmSource has bupkis. As George Costanza said in that Seinfeld episode, "I have no power. Do you understand? I need hand. I have no hand." PalmSource has no hand.

Symbol covers a unique (if you ignore Aceeca!) niche and probably could continue licensing PalmOS 4 for the next five years without blinking an eye.


#4 Do some 11th hour repair work on Garnet and get Cobalt devices shipping in SOME form or another by year's end.

PalmSource needs to outsource the OS coding to people that actually know how to code properly. The crap spewed out by those Be engineers and the buggy, fecolent PalmOS 5 kludges flushed onto the PalmOS community by Palm/pa1mOne™ suggest the Palm companies are incapable of doing such a major development project alone. As I've said before, PalmOS 5 needs to be thoroughly cleaned up, since it will be holding up the fort by itself for a while.

#5 Bring all of the remaing developers who give a rat's a$$ close to the fold (Dataviz, Handmark, SplashData etc) and threaten to CANE them if they don't provide rock-solid bundled apps with every future Palm product. Palm also needs to give better support in regards to the FrankenGarnet crazyquilt to developers (one thing I DO agree with Kirvin on).

Bundle BackupMan, TealLock, Desktop To Go, TCPMP etc, fully expose all aspects of the OS to developers - including backdoors, with examples - and ensure the developers' forum is staffed by some expert hardcore techs that know PalmOS inside out + can provide instant feedback to questions.

Mark Bercow was brought back to Palm to fix developer relations. I don't think it's working...


#6 Meanwhile Palm needs to put all of their eggs into getting PoL shipped at some point in '06! It's as simple as that. Better to delay it a bit longer than have it just a fancier version of the mess OS5.x's become.

Shipping PalmLinux on a real, stable device in 2006 is probably impossible - unless development is outsourced. Quickly. Given the endless stream of LIES we've heard about Cobalt, don't expect to ever hear the truth about PalmLinux... even after it's officially delayed.


If ALL of the above fails...then sell the whole damn parcel to Lenovo/Matsu****a/LG so they can assimilate at least the Palm and Treo names (that potent combo's worth AT LEAST 31 mil nowadays, right?)!

If you don't own the company, how can you sue Microsoft for $500 million?
;-O

P.S.
For the record, Voice, I'd mark Garmin off too. Other than some fancy aviation-oriented bundle (just a rehased 3600) they haven't released anything Palm-based lately but they'd still put out, what, three Windows-based units in a row? Same with Kyocera. You'd actually have an easier time walking into a store and buying a Fossil wrist PDA than you'd have going to a cellular store and buying a Samsung or Kyocera Palm-powered smartphone from any provider.

Actually, I was being facetious. All those companies I listed are not producing anything of any worth to the PalmOS platform. And I still am pi$$ed off that Samsung never released all those vaporware phones. And that SonyEricsson never licensed PalmOS and released a tiny PalmOS phone. Oh well - I guess my stockpile of CLIE TH55 and UX50 is starting to look like a good insurance policy these days.

TVoR


TVoR



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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
------------------------

The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

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