Comments on: Palm Debuts the Z22 Organizer
Palm also announced the Palm Z22 handheld today. The Z22 is an easy-to-use and compact color handheld built for the mass market, the Palm Z22 organizer is the most affordable color handheld from Palm yet at $99 USD.
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RE: Palm finally hit $100 sweet spot with color pda...
TREO will not save PALM.
RE: Palm finally hit $100 sweet spot with color pda...
Fish
RE: Palm finally hit $100 sweet spot with color pda...
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Palm finally hit $100 sweet spot with color pda...
It's hardly got the features to be called a pda...
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RE: Palm finally hit $100 sweet spot with color pda...
I would love to see that tech come to palm. Truly innovative. I still fire up my trusty v2.0 Newton 120 just to mess around with the 'assist' feature.
RE: Palm finally hit $100 sweet spot with color pda...
The wife got the z22 and she was even afraid of it at that. Husband asked about the zire 31 and I told him difference, w/ expansion slot and I saw her cringe in fear. This is who the Z22 is for, and that is a lot of people. back to the basics. I was amazed at the size, it's small.
Another man was looking at one to replace his Zire 71 or 2 because it "is too big"! He liked the price and size of the z22.
The Z22 is going to appeal to a very large market. It's small, thin, sleek, & best of all it's simple. People want quick and easy access to data w/ low learning curve.
Does the Z22 use NVFS??
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Gaurav
RE: Does the Z22 use NVFS??
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Gaurav
RE: Does the Z22 use NVFS??
just to clear things up:
Zire 32: AFAIK uses RAM
Zire 22: AFAIK uses NVFS
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RE: Does the Z22 use NVFS??
Actually both the new Z22 and the Z33 use NVFS.
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Wow, it's so easy to use!
It's the perfect upgrade for a wince user who has reached that stage in their development when crash-free hotsyncing becomes important.
And its so easy to use, they won't even miss the big goofy start button! :)
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Kirvin, how much is Palm paying you for your retarded fluff?
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RE: Wow, it's so easy to use!
I bet that's exactly what Palm's market research found. Time to abandon the X50v & HX4700 boys. Here's your daddy, the Zzzzz!
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Too bad that...
If it wasn't for this I would buy one as a gift right now.
RE: Too bad that...
Anyways, she just started using my old Visor Prism, and *I* have to make sure it's charged and backed up to the module...
RE: Too bad that...
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Too bad that...
This is a great device.
The only thing I think they could add is the hi-resolution screen. (no added complexity for end user) A better screen makes this thing better for photos as Live Faith has pointed out.
My other minor complaint is the connector at the bottom. I was really hoping that Palm would be standardizing all their connectors and yet here we are with a different connector than all the other devices:(
RE: Too bad that...
Lack of SD card won't be an issue at all
Otherwise, low end users like my sister are comfy with a Visor (original with just 2MB!). I know this b/c I used her old Visor Deluxe bef it broke, and she only used 400KB of that handheld's 7.9 user RAM. Never even touched a Springboard module. She's not technically incompetent either. She's no IT professional, but she know's her way around the internet, laptops, and desktops. She just plans to use her PDA for only PIMs and limited other software.
The z22 is targetted for such ppl who just want the bare essentials and nothing more than color. If ya want hi-res and/or SDIO, then said person would've bought the T|E or T|E2
"Do you know the difference between an error and a mistake? Anyone can make an error, but that error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."
-Grand Admiral Thrawn
the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse
My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71 --> Tungsten T3 (with 4 of 6 screws still remaining) ~?~> zodiac 2?
RE: Too bad that...
1. The outgoing Zire 31, widely available at $100 or less new, is a MUCH better deal for anyone who cares about anything media-related at all. The 31 has an SD slot and a headphone jack albeit less RAM and a more washed-out looking screen.
2. I'm curious to compare the Z22 & Z31 screens side by side as well as the hard buttons etc.
3. Palm needs to release a solid $200 MSRP unit combining a 320*320 screen, 32mb NVFS, Bluetooth, Athena connector, the Treo 650's decent quality VGA camera, and an SD slot/headphone jack. Basically, combine the Zire 31, the T|E2 and the Zire 72 with a single model. That'd give Palm solid PDAs at the $100, $200, $300 price points while keeping the line pared down to the bare essentials. Let the LD(s) and Treos cover all of the pricey segments.
FrankenGarnet is on its way to being the Wal-Mart (or Target if we're lucky) of the mobile OS world...
RE: Too bad that...
The lesser screen and RAM would do it for me. IMHO, i feel that 16MB is too little for today's pOS media user. SD card adds great potential, but u still need some breathing room in user RAM to run apps and internal media. Washed out screen may not be as big a deal, as I'm assuming music is 1st in media for handheld, followed by pics, then vid. Else, it's a concern for ppl who wanna show off many pics.
I would still get a T|E or T|E2. Just a better "entry level" handheld IMO.
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If ya geta chance to view them in a brick and mortar store like Staples, let me know :) I'm also gonna try to compare the screens for myself if i have time
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SLOW DOWN THERE!!
Palm doesn't wanna leap too far too fast! I'm guessin they wanna do some pacing with upgrades so R&D can keep up and so they won't end up with no new features come next time (altho some ppl would argue this has been true since the T|E and/or T|T3)
Besides, Palm has a hard enough time making ONE good PDA at a GOOD price. It took them this long to combine 2 PDAs together (good features of 2 PDAs, not bad features) with adequate results. Let's let Palm work its way up.
"Do you know the difference between an error and a mistake? Anyone can make an error, but that error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."
-Grand Admiral Thrawn
the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse
My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71 --> Tungsten T3 (with 4 of 6 screws still remaining) ~?~> zodiac 2?
RE: Too bad that...
I revied for BPDA so I can answer a few things.
1. No Sd card because it would have made the cost more (didnt believe it either, but I just am a reporter).
2. Pics are handled by a Palm branded version of Splash Photo, automatically resizes photos for the screen. They get insanely small. And look great. Drag, drop, sync. Its that easy.
3. Battery lasted 9.5hrs from 100% to 0% in my battery test. That works out to easily 2 weeks for this market group.
4. The AddIt program on the Z22 is imporved such that it will make installing new software a breeze, aka for those afraid to download anything that isnt certified MS safe.
5. Hard buttons on the 22 are larger than the 21/31. My fiance, who owned a 21, remarked that she liked the power button being easier to press (its closer to the outside of teh device. She also liked teh 5way as it felt better.
6. There is NO CONNECTOR at the bottom. only the mini-usb at the top. It charges fully no matter if plugged into wall or computer. Very nice and thoughtless feature. Basically, gives two charging options to those who want to keep this for work and home (USB at work, and wall wart for home).
7. Doesnt come with a case but Palm is offering Boxwave like skins for it for $15. didnt get mine with teh review, but rad boxwave's and you get the idea.
Yes, this device is simple. Think 7 habits simple. Exactly the folks that would want this device. It should sell well, not as well as the orig Zire or TE, but not far off from it either.
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Thanks Antoine
$100, $200, $300 and $400 PDAs. (I actually think the only way to justify a $400 traditional form factor PDA in 2006 will be if it includes either a decent keyboard + CLIE UX50-quality construction OR if it has a built-in cellphone radio.) The LifeDrive is the answer to a question no one was asking and should go the way of the dodo. Fixed harddrives have no place in PDAs now that 1 and 2 GB memory cards are coming down in price and have the advantages of no moving parts, lower power requirements and the potential to be swapped out for use in several devices.
Now Palm needs a $200 "average intelligence" phone to go with the $500 Treo 700w and 700p.
P.S. One suggestion, 'Toine: spellcheck your posts! ;-O
Your typing is almost as bad as mine and undermines the great info you always provide.
TVoR (who now uses voice recognition software after enduring years of people biotching about their 133t typing 5Ki11z...)
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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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RE: Too bad that...
I assume you really meant "thoughful" in the "Very nice and thoughtless feature" sentence, right?
This could make a nice little replacement for the IIIxe that my wife is still using. It's been a solid unit and will probably keep going for a few more years. But playing Bridge and Solitaire in color is a lot more fun. ;-) Since mobile MP3 listening is of no interest to her, the Zire31 would not be desirable. It would just add complication and bulk.
I assume the G1 libraries will work on this one too. That would probably be a deal breaker if it didn't. Come to think of it, that might just be the only advantage of having to use OS5 for so long; the G1 libraries still work!
I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."
RE: Too bad that...
RE: Need functioning G1 libraries for the Z22
I used the libraries that worked fine on my TE and another set that have apparently been tweaked for use on the TX. Each time it transferred into the PDA, I performed the necessary soft reset, then when I touched the screen to write something the screen went haywire and the unit froze up so badly that it could only be brought back to life by doing a hard reset.
Does anyone have a line on G1 libraries that work on the Z22?
This vs the $100 'laptop'?
I mention this b/c both would be the same price. And would b/c the latter isn't to see the light of day till next year, at earliest, if ever.
If there were some more adult games and software, along with good battery life, I may get that laptop..... after spending $200 to $400 first for a decent Palm PDA
RE: This vs the $100 'laptop'?
My understanding is that another group tried to do the $100 computer thing for developing countries. I believe the Simputer was the result of that:
They don't show pricing, but my understanding is that none of them hit the $100 price point.
That said, if someone does the $100 (or even $200) Linux crank-up laptop, put me on the list to buy one.
Good choice on including "Craisy Daisy"
"Do you know the difference between an error and a mistake? Anyone can make an error, but that error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."
-Grand Admiral Thrawn
the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse
My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71 --> Tungsten T3 (with 4 of 6 screws still remaining) ~?~> zodiac 2?
Stalwart
why?
Palm m125 December 25, 2003 to March 24 2004 > palmOne Zire 71 March 24, 2004 to March 31, 2005. Tapwave Zodiac 1 April 18, 2005 to present.
RE: why?
Very few users of the previous "beginner" zires ever used the SD card slot. SD just generated more user complications and questions.
If you want an SD card slot, there are other models for you. (Like Zire 31)
Interesting Buttons
I'm not running out to buy a Z22, but it's actually a pretty design...
RE: Interesting Buttons
The two app buttons have been the hallmark of the Zire line since its introduction in '02.
RE: Interesting Buttons
The #4 button was taken away and locked into being a "power" button.
The #1 button has been crippled to only bring up the phone application.
Leaving us with control over only the #2 and #3 buttons.
Yes, there are a few hacks and other ways of squeezing a little more usability out of the 50% remaining buttons, but IMHO Palm should have ADDED hardware buttons, not taken them away. They are the quickest way to get to your destination with just one hand. "Software" buttons and screen launchers simply suck in comparison.
RE: Interesting Buttons
RE: Interesting Buttons
I think it's time for Palm to start adding a multi-function button (programmable) on the side (ala LD) or top panel next to the SD slot on all of its better models.
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RE: Interesting Buttons
Unless I've missed something (it's totally possible), is there some way to just push on a keyboard button (when the Treo screen is OFF)and have an application launch? I seem to recall some way to map some things to the keys when the device is on and in a certain status, but they ain't launcher buttons in the true sense of the definition.
I've had to accept the keyboard (no choice), and it comes in handy more than I had expected. But Graffiti (especially Grafitti 1) is still sorely missed, Grafitti Anywhere is wonderful, but doesn't do punctuation - making it barely useful in practice.
Bummer that I'm jealous of this $99 device that has a feature (Grafitti area) that my $700 smartphone does not. At least it doesn't have any more launcher buttons.
RE: Interesting Buttons
The lack of a screen rotate button on the TX is kind of worrying....though I can see how it'd not fit in the formfactor.
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Yes, the shell is basically a T5 / TE. As for rotation, I'm working on a version for the TX.
http://www.ytechnology.com/rotate/download.htm
--Mike Y.
Strange, but some how I would consider it...
RE: Strange, but some how I would consider it...
I think in some way it might recapture the zen.
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RE: Strange, but some how I would consider it...
Another idea would to shrink everything down--screen size, Graffiti silkscreen area etc. and have a minimum of plastic border around the screen. Something like that, especially with a cheap integrated VGA camera, would make a perfect model to slot in between the Z22 & T|E2 or even replace the Z31, Z72 and E2 in one fell swoop! OR...include a built-in 128mb storage partition (but no SD slot!) so the user would have room for a few mp3s or photos/apps.
This is definitely the most Zennish Palm in quite a while. The Zire & Zire 21 were TOO barebones to be useful. The Zire 31 was arguably the best bang for the $ Palm ever but I can see the SD slot & headphone jack adding cost & complexity for n00bs.
RE: Strange, but some how I would consider it...
PDAs, like smart phones, are tools - and each tool is what best suits your purpose. Me - I don't want, nor need, a smart phone. I have a prepaid phone for the past 4 years and it's been plenty enough for me. (I'm one of those few who DON'T like to be accessible 24x7.) My ideal PDA: Something of this size, with huge amounts of RAM, an upgraded OS (and we're not talking OS 5.x.x.x.x.x.x.x), built-in thumboard, voice recorder, headphone jack. In other words, I'd almost like my T3 to have all these features but with the thumboard on the slider part. I think the only other handheld I dabbled with briefly was a Visor Treo 90. Now THAT had a near perfect keyboard for me! (Handspring really did make, in my view, the best PDAs - and were the most advanced, of their time.)
Sorry to wax nostalgic, folks! Just had to get it off my chest! Why Palm, oh why, have you driven your dedicated users so mad?! Guess it doesn't matter now, as they've sold off the OS and have just about come another hardware manufacturer for Microsoft.... (Maybe I'm wrong.) Time will tell.
How rugged?
How rugged is this design? I know it's reasonably small, but if it is designed for mums, then it could get destroyed in their handbags. I know this because I gave my mum an old m100. one week later and it was dead, with the screen cover and the faceplate lying at the bottom of the bag. After a salvage mission, I later put it back together, but that's not the point. the question I'm asking is: Will this last a year in a handbag?
Akula
DESPERATELY NEED HELP Z22
PLEASE HELP.
G
RE: DESPERATELY NEED HELP Z22
Factory Reset for Palm z22 handheldsIf you've set a password on your handheld, any hard reset will automatically become a Factory Reset. With this method, you'll enter a password and then perform a hard reset.
1. On your handheld, launch the Prefs application. Under General, select Security.
2. If the Password box says "Unassigned," tap the box and create a password for your handheld.
3. Once the password has been set, remove the stylus. Disconnect your handheld from the AC charger, if connected.
4. On your handheld, hold down the Power button.
5. While holding down the Power button, use the stylus to press the RESET button on the back of your handheld.
6. While still holding Power button, the screen will show the Palm logo and a progress bar. Then the circular Palm Powered logo will appear. Release the power button when you see the Palm Powered logo. Keep holding the Power button during this screen. When you see this screen, you can release the Power button.
7. A message will appear warning that you are about to erase all the data stored on your smartphone. Press UP.
8. You'll see a series of Palm logo screens, then a prompt to tap onscreen targets. The Factory Reset is complete.
If you can't see the screen, just do as the instructions say up to step 6 and give it a minute or so to boot, then release Power and press up and you're done.
Tim
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Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680
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Palm finally hit $100 sweet spot with color pda...
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