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Palm Centro ReviewThe Palm Centro made its debut in Fall 2007 as the smallest and lightest Palm OS based smartphone to date. It is the third new model from Palm this year after the Treo 755p and Treo 500v. Palm basically took all that's good about the 755p, and packed it into a much leaner and lighter body. The Centro brings a number of high end smartphone features including 3G wireless data and a full qwerty keyboard into the $99 range.

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Screen Protector

4s @ 10/18/2007 11:43:14 PM # Q
Great, thorough review as always.

I understand that there is, according to Palm, a "factory installed, permanent screen protector on the Centro to protect from dust and scratches."

Did you notice this? Does the screen seem any more protected than the screens on previous models?

Thanks again for the review.


RE: Screen Protector
Ryan @ 10/18/2007 11:54:42 PM # Q
Thanks 4s, as far as I can tell there is no special screen protector applied on the exterior or over the display. It's seems like the same standard plastic screen as on other Treo's. I haven't had an issue with the Centro scratching so far but I haven't been abusing it too much.

btw, I never use a case on my 680 and carry it around in my pocket all the time and I've never had a problem with the screen sucking up dust or scratching.

RE: Screen Protector
ggeoffre @ 10/22/2007 1:00:28 PM # Q
Hopefully the use of after market screen protectors will not be limited based on this feature.

RE: Screen Protector
luckyangel @ 12/16/2007 12:05:02 AM # Q
I scratched my screen horribly the second I day I had my Centro. It was in my purse, and slipped out of the protective pocket and found its way into my keys. I'm pretty unhappy with the protective quality of the screen, obviously. Haven't looked into getting it replaced it, though.
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That 'linear' keyboard

SeldomVisitor @ 10/19/2007 6:46:40 AM # Q
Doesn't look to me like there is any "make it smaller" reason to go straight line with the keys on the keyboard instead of curved - the side-by-side photo reinforces that belief:


I wonder if PALM did it to save on patent fee costs?

Or perhaps curved-line with such small keys was not usable.

RE: That 'linear' keyboard
Ryan @ 10/19/2007 10:25:02 AM # Q
I realized that the Treo 600 also has a similar layout, just with more space between the keys.

RE: That 'linear' keyboard
Ryan @ 10/19/2007 2:25:57 PM # Q
Here's another keyboard/device comparison shot that I didn't include in the review:

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evdo speeds?

nybble @ 10/19/2007 7:14:58 AM # Q
It'd be nice if you could give us real world EVDO speeds - run a few tests and let us know the signal strength and down/upload times. Would that be possible?

<> that is my tech blog. There are many like it, but that one is mine.
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Still no Vista support in the box?

DrewT3 @ 10/19/2007 9:34:32 AM # Q
Hey Palm, Vista has been out for almost a year.
RE: Still no Vista support in the box?
hkklife @ 10/19/2007 11:58:32 AM # Q
Come on, don't you know by now that Palm resists the march of progress whenever possible?!?

In an ideal Palm world, no screen resolution would ever exceed 320x320, XP would be Microsoft's perpetual OS, and memory card manufacturers wouldn't dare release a card larger than 4GB!

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Will Treo 680 get similar software update?

asiayeah @ 10/19/2007 9:41:20 AM # Q
The new Versamail 4.0's background operation seems interesting. Does that mean you can download e-mails in the background, while running another application, such as Blazer?

I wish Palm will offer a free upgrade of Versamail for Treo 680 users.

With great power comes great responsiblity.

RE: Will Treo 680 get similar software update?
ggeoffre @ 10/22/2007 12:59:16 PM # Q
It is not so much the price of an upgrade, as including it in a ROM update. I would pay for a ROM upgrade if it updated all software to the current versions. Would like to avoid having two copies of the software (different versions) installed.

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MicroSD or MiniSD?

zkam @ 10/19/2007 10:12:37 AM # Q
The review says microSD, the specs table says miniSD.

Which is it?

RE: MicroSD or MiniSD?
Ryan @ 10/19/2007 10:27:44 AM # Q
Sorry about that, it's microSD.
RE: MicroSD or MiniSD?
ggeoffre @ 10/22/2007 12:56:58 PM # Q
Are speed tests a thing of the past? Back when the 650 first came out, there were quite a few speed tests that helped rank which SD memory cards were the fastest. Does anyone have similar comparisons for MicroSD, or is this sort of thing no longer necessary given the fact that most memory cards perform very well now.

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So Small. Great for the Playground...

MleB @ 10/19/2007 10:23:23 AM # Q
Even dinkier screen and keyboard than the Treo - is this miniaturization to the point of losing any real usability?

While other companies are finding ways to increase screen size and keyboards (both virtual and hardware) in a small - though not disappearing - footprint, Palm just gives us a variation of 5 year old design.

The Centro is mean to attract the younger user - and one guesses teen girls by the key size - what they've actually done is build their own Firefly by way of Fisher-Price.


And yeah, support for Vista is LONG overdue - and should have come out with the 680 is January. Meanwhile, Palm's penchant for making Desktop / HotSync less useful in each 'update' (goodbye VersaMail, Media, Expense and Note Pad) encourages users to upgrade from earlier devices exactly how?

RE: So Small. Great for the Playground...
JackG @ 11/22/2007 1:06:40 AM # Q
Okay, so how many times and and different places are you going to post your "Fisher-Price" comments? You've posted on Palm's forums the same stuff. It is apparent that you do not like Palm, so buy something else.

I replaced my Treo 700p with the Centro and couldn't be happier about it. This is a great phone, especially for the price. Much more stable and quicker than the 700p. Try it, you might like it.

RE: So Small. Great for the Playground...
despa @ 2/10/2008 9:38:29 AM # Q
Yes, the Centro is targeting a younger user. Yes, the Centro is a variant of a 5 year old design.

The Palm Centro was made for someone like me, a 20 year old male, who has never used a palm device before because he thought they were too big and ugly. Someone who has nimble fingers and great eyesight. Someone who appreciates pixel density and a touch screen. Someone who appreciates Palm's idea of putting their old but winning PDA ideas in a cell phone with a small price tag.

"Palm just gives us a variation of 5 year old design," you say. The truth is more like: "Palm just gives us a far cheaper and smaller and better looking variation of a 5 year old design." Just? Hardly. This phone is really nice.

Just as the other poster said: try it, you might like it.

RE: So Small. Great for the Playground...
oalmlover3/8 @ 3/27/2008 3:18:32 AM # Q

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Good job

Tuckermaclain @ 10/19/2007 10:57:48 AM # Q
I can't wait to get mine. Minor criticism: lose the KB, get 320x480.

RE: Good job
adamsmark @ 10/19/2007 1:40:00 PM # Q
Agreed. If all I want is a smartphone, there are better. I think most users want a larger screen in a smaller package, e.g. the iPhone. One would think Palm could produce two lines of Treos/Centros: w/ and w/o keyboards.

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RE: Good job
SeldomVisitor @ 10/19/2007 2:19:15 PM # Q
I think it's a safe bet that PALM has a keyboard-less phone or two in the works.

RE: Good job
hkklife @ 10/19/2007 2:20:00 PM # Q
It doesn't matter one whit what us users want. Remember, the carriers are Palm's new customers/masters. We just pad Palm's bottom line by buying accessories etc.

And even if the carriers wanted Palm to produce an all-screen TX-style Treo, Palm would likely fire back with a flurry of smoke & mirrors studies/reasons why consumers overhwlmingly prefer small screens (getting smaller with each generation) and small keyboards (also getting smaller) and smaller, less compatible memory card formats.

Ideally, Palm could go with two variations on a similar non-slider design. One unit could be all screen (TX-sized) with just a TX-style d-pad and app buttons in addition to send/end buttons (like the new HTC Touch). Then the other could have a smaller 320x480 screen and cram a small 1-0 dial pad or maybe even a tiny Centro QWERTY keyboard exposed by a Zire 71/T|T style slider. I always thought the Zire 71 (camera lens + shutter button) was a better execution of the slider concept than the T|T anyway.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Good job
hkklife @ 10/19/2007 2:33:01 PM # Q
What makes you say that? Some scintillating insider info or just a gut feeling?

"In the works" as in "a year or more away" won't be good enough, especially when the 2nd-gen iPhone/HTC Touch successor hit sometime next year.

Right now, all of the rumblings we've heard (800w etc) point to more variations on the rounded-but-still-the-same Centro/500v theme.

As usual, I hope I'm TERRRIBLY wrong and Q1 '08 sees an 800p with 320x480 and full GPS appearing in Verizon stores.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Good job
SeldomVisitor @ 10/19/2007 3:40:23 PM # Q
I have zero inside info - just a "gut" feeling based off current trends industry-wide.

I also think they're developing (or considering) a flipphone.

I wanna see a PALM go Ker-Plack! again!

RE: Good job
TooMuch @ 10/19/2007 5:22:53 PM # Q
"I think most users want a larger screen in a smaller package, e.g. the iPhone."

Don't count on it. I had an iPhone for 4 days and that was enough. (BTW, I am a Mac enthusiast.) iPhone is not comfortable in hand...easy to drop. iPhone "multi-touch" is adequately named because you have to touch too many times to simple things like making a call, etc. Most of all, I am not interested in serious web surfing or watching videos on my smartphone. If I want to watch a video on an adequate screen, I will use my 42" TV. If I want to seriously surf, I will use my laptop. I want a have a small smartphone that I can use with one hand (sometimes without looking) and fits in my pocket (so I don't need a jacket or holster).

RE: Good job
tolucajo @ 10/22/2007 11:20:37 PM # Q
How can one say this is a good job? There's a great article in last week's businessweek at The author comments on the success on the Palm OS with it's interface and ease of use as a planner, phone and etc. The failure is the form factor where HTC and Apple have beaten them to the game. They could've upgraded the OS to be more stable, and faster with a thinner form factor. These modifications could have ensured the continued success, but it's probably to late. With Blackberry capturing all the corporate business and Iphone capture the consumer. Where does that leave Palm? I will use my 700P until it dies. I have a BB 8830 and the interface requires more steps and lacks third party software. If Apple gets on the Verizon network, then bye I will likely bury the 700P next to my BetaMax in the Garage! If the Iphone can be thin, then why can't the 755P be as thin, or almost as thin?
RE: Good job
JoeB @ 5/10/2008 12:09:56 PM # Q
NOT a good job, really. The review is quite misleading about the PDA applications.

I used to like the Palm OS, but... The OS now used by Palm in the Centro (and 680)is a screwed up version of what they have in their PDA's. The reviewer should have noticed this.

For example, in Contacts, there is no longer a compact listing form. Instead, you must view all phone numbers for each entry on separate lines in the main listing. No choice. This means you can't see very many listings per page. Also, if you are not careful about entries, and put a word description with a phone number, you may just get a blank line. It used to be that word descriptors were just fine, as well as helpful. Blackberry has the more flexible entry format that Palm used to have. Also the amount of information you can enter for each number is much more limited. Two steps backwards for Palm. Also, if you press a letter, such as "J" to see all the last name listings that start with "J", in alphabetical order, you are out of luck. It finds every bloody listing entry with a "J", whether it is first name or last that you have to scroll through. This means fewer helpful listings per page. It means you can no longer enter a letter to skip that far down into the alphabetical listing, and if you enter something as specific as "john" to get to Johnson, you will go instead to first names of "john", assuming there are any in your contacts before Johnson. Also don't try to be cute and enter several letters such as "jaa" to go to the start of the "j" listings. The PDA will complain and not even let you scroll further down. The older OS did it sensibly and returned an alphabetical listing of last names starting with "J" if you entered a "J". And you could scroll from there all the way to Z if you so desired.

One bug in the Treo 680 that has been fixed in the Centro relates to the display of contact information. Suppose you click on a contact entry for which you entered a fair amount of information. That is, more than can be displayed on one screen (Given the inefficient way information is now displayed, that is not hard). On the 680 you will not find any cursor or arrows to let you move up or down the page to see additional information. But there is one that is invisible in the bottom right of the screen. On the Centro, it is visible. But did Palm fix this bug in the 680? No. Owners of that model are stuck. This is expected given the general contempt Palm shows toward its customers.

You will also find stupid changes in the Calendar. For example, you could on a Palm PDA hit an entry for 9am on a particular day and it would let you start an appointment with 9 am as the default entry for start time. Now it doesn't enter that default. In my view, Palm has messed things up enough you might as well use some other OS. Like what Blackberry offers.

Oh, and customer support says this new PDA platform is exactly what Palm intended for the PDA smartphone, even though they know it is different from their PDA's. So which do they think is better? If they think so highly of the implementation on the Smartphone, why don't they change their PDA's? Palm won't say, but I think we can guess. Palm's right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, and anyone with good judgement has long since left the Palm development group.

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Virgin Mobile

MrStyle @ 10/19/2007 1:42:19 PM # Q
Put this thing on Virgin Mobile USA (uses Sprint network & partly owned by Sprint) and I'm all over it!

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Windows Mobile

jhopkins81 @ 10/19/2007 3:18:56 PM # Q
Anyone know if there is a plan to release the Centro w/ windows mobile? I don't prefer this OS, but work does not support any Palm OS devices.
RE: Windows Mobile
oalmlover3/8 @ 3/27/2008 3:25:11 AM # Q

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Palm Trivia

gmayhak @ 10/19/2007 3:46:28 PM # Q
Neat review Ryan!

"An odd addition is a new lanyard loop"

If you take apart the case on the Tungsten T (m550, one of my favorite Palms :) there are little lanyard tabs on both sides of the bottom section that can be folded out. You can see the little slits that they protrude from if you look closely.
Still hoping for a new PDA, no use for a cell phone, never go anywhere :-/


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Hmmm...Heads Up on reset excuse

SeldomVisitor @ 10/19/2007 5:45:14 PM # Q
== "...Sent one message and the phone reset itself. They said
== it was on the demo for 3 hours..."


My reading of an excuse like that is:

== "The longer you use the device, the less reliable it gets"


== "Our programmers don't know how to garbage collect nor confirm that
== a memory allocation actually has succeeded, so our devices become
== unstable over time"

Anywho, Heads Up.

RE: Hmmm...Heads Up on reset excuse
woogie @ 10/5/2009 9:59:39 PM # Q
I ahve only had my palm for 2 months and already this thing locks up constantly. Sometimes it won't let you answer calls, you just have to sit and watch it go to message bank. Other times you can't hear anything at th other end, they can't hear you either sometimes. It is always a surprise what it is going to do to you next. Palm support is nothing short of dreadful, prepare yourself to be bounced around India anytime something goes wrong. But the solution to all these problems is to preform a hard reset, in the process deleting everything on the phone. Do this a couple of times a day and your smart phone isn't so smart after all. But the one that really takes the cake. I was advised by the call centre that one way to fix this piece of garbage was to push the hands free kit in and out of the socket a couple of times. "Excuse me friend while I make crackling sounds trying to get my junk phone to work"
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QDeath @ 10/20/2007 11:36:46 AM # Q
And once again Verizon does _NOT_ come out with the latest and greatest.

Palm Vx -> Palm m515 -> Tungsten T3 -> Treo 650
RE: Verizon
SeldomVisitor @ 10/27/2007 8:56:58 AM # Q
Not going to be a concern pretty soon - Sprint/Nextel is apparently going to go unlocked with their phones:


RE: Verizon
AdamaDBrown @ 10/27/2007 7:56:00 PM # Q
Doesn't change the fact that Verizon won't activate them.

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SDK for iPhone

ggeoffre @ 10/21/2007 12:07:16 AM # Q
Is it just me, or did Apple's timing of the announcement to support third party applications come shortly after reports of the iPhone's market share not dominating the smart phone market a coincidence? As a very happy Treo 650 owner (Sprint), that announcement along with Palms honest appraisal of not having an updated operating system for another sixteen months is very disappointing.

Purchasing a Centro to upgrade my current 650 is a no brainer, but do I want to lock myself into a two year contract with all of the changes going on in the smart phone market place right now? Two years is a long time to hang on to a dated platform, believe me I know, I have been doing so since the 650 first came out. The question is, am I willing to stay the course for another two years, or with the iPhone opening up to third party applications the way to go?

It is likely that it will take at least twelve months for developers to come out with a decent assortment of applications on the iPhone to compete with the dwindling number of current and updated software titles available on Garnet. What is also uncertain is whether or not developers will be willing to invest in the next generation palm OS, or if they will have already jumped ship and ported the lion share of leading edge application development over to another platform like the iPhone.

I could just purchase the Centro without the contract extension, or I could plan on breaking the contract early, either way, it is about $1-200 over the $99 price. Not a huge gamble, at least the 650 cables and accessories should still work. Granted I will have to purchase new memory cards, extended batteries, and of course a different case. So it will likely be a $3-400 gamble.

RE: SDK for iPhone
jca666us @ 10/21/2007 7:35:56 AM # Q
It's just you:

Apple's goal is 10 million by the end of 2008 - their current sales figures are in excess of one million.

RE: SDK for iPhone
ggeoffre @ 10/21/2007 11:30:46 PM # Q
Fully understand that goal, and the fact that Apple is on target to achieve it. Have actually read that exact article before. The point was that the marketplace for smart phones is changing at a very fast pace. Locking into a Palm based solution for another two years may not be a wise choice. The single loudest criticism for the iPhone has been its lack of support of native third party development (beyond Web 2.0). AT&T's 2.5G EDGE is not Apples fault, and will be dealt with once the exclusivity clause in the contract expires and/or other companies agree to pay Apple for a percentage of revenue for each iPhone monthly contract.

Today, Palm has a better experience with a wider variety of third party applications, and I do feel that Sprint's EVDO is superior to the current connectivity of AT&T's 2.5G EDGE. Having a wireless DUN device is a major plus as well. I happen to agree with almost every point that Andrew made on the Treonauts blog (recent Treo state of the union posts "Setting The Treo Record Straight" and "Palm Treo 680 vs. Apple iPhone Comparison"). But how long will this continue to be an advantage? Doubtful for the next two years (beyond the hardware QWERTY advantage).

Applications will explode on the iPhone platform following the 2008 ADC, and Palm/Access is/are seriously behind on delivering an update to Garnet (Linux based POSE), as several articles on this site will attest to. Before Jobs announced officially and formally supporting and encouraging development on its iPhone, serious mainstream mobile application development organizations most likely dismissed the device all together. Over the next few months, those same organizations are likely having a much different discussion and having to make some hard decisions on the future direction of their individual product lines. Before October 17th, these companies had better things to do the week of January 14th 2008, after October 17th, may of these same individuals will likely be hanging out in the back of various keynotes and technical discussions in San Francisco.

The Centro is a nice little package, and is a real contender for us remaining 650 holdouts. But will this serious lack of advances continue to satisfy for the full two years? We may have no choice but to jump ship in order to survive in the quickly evolving smart phone marketplace before we all turn into that devote gathering of Newton owners that remain loyal to the platform that revolutionized their respective lives as the Treo has don for ours.

RE: SDK for iPhone
ggeoffre @ 10/22/2007 1:49:47 PM # Q
Not to get too far off topic, but this does speak to ones willingness to purchase a Centro via a long term contract in the current world of smart phones here in the US...

Free My Phone

Cellphone carriers tell us what phones we can use, and what software and services can be offered on those phones. Consumers deserve better.

October 22, 2007

IMO: The review was very informative where the comparison of features to previous models were concerned, but was lacking as to information on how long such a dated product will be able to last in todays marketplace.

RE: SDK for iPhone
mikecane @ 10/23/2007 9:30:04 AM # Q
>>>It is likely that it will take at least twelve months for developers to come out with a decent assortment of applications on the iPhone to compete with the dwindling number of current and updated software titles available on Garnet.

No. There are apps *now*.

And your conspiracy theory is off. An SDK was planned from the get-go. It's been fun watching people turn into crybabies over this issue. I never had any doubt in the matter.

Apple, unlike Palm, is not stupid nor self-deluded.

BTW: Colligan, resign!

RE: SDK for iPhone
ggeoffre @ 10/23/2007 9:40:35 PM # Q
I realize that there are native applications available today for the iPhone (non Web 2.0 Applications), but I consider these to be "rogue" applications created by individual developers and are likely just one offs, and not part of the mainstream commercial mobile development community where a team of developers may support several commercially available products across multiple platforms. It would likely take twelve months for a good sampling of such development powerhouses to ramp up a good number of their existing product line on the iPhone. I am think about the SplanData, DataViz, Iambic, MobiMate, StandAlone and even ShapeServices to start seriously considering a different platform like the iPhone.

RE: SDK for iPhone-how open is open?
twrock @ 10/24/2007 10:06:10 PM # Q
Don't know if this has been linked yet, but I found it interesting:

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RE: SDK for iPhone
mikecane @ 10/25/2007 8:51:11 AM # Q
Motorola should just STFU. Their own Linux OS is nothing to brag about.

And for the other guy -- I have no desire to see Palm app devs move to the iPhone. You can hold your breath. But I want better devs. And it won't take much for current Mac devs to move stuff over the iPhone. Twelve months? You've been beaten down by Palm too much!

RE: SDK for iPhone
ggeoffre @ 10/25/2007 11:49:19 PM # Q
The twelve month estimate was from now, October of 2007. Apple has announced that it will 'do something' at the next ADC in February of 2008. Assuming that this event will be the first time that any developer can access the iPhone SDK, that would leave eight months for apps to port over, test, and release. Some apps sooner, other apps later, the 'guestimate' was that a good sampling of solid applications running natively on the iPhone is about twelve months away. This is also assuming that this same collection of developers never planned on doing anything with the iPhone when it was only for Web 2.0 development, and they were not interested in gambling on developing applications for hacked iPhones.

No conspiracy theory, just a question if the events were choreographed (timed) based on recent events and market research. Apple most likely knew exactly what they were going to do, just waiting for a good time to tell us all of their plans. That was the observation being made, concerning the timing of the announcement.

The original point was that this will likely happen before the next release of a major Palm update on the next Palm OS, and certainly before a renewed two year contract with Sprint would expire. Love my Treo 650, have been using Palm devices since the Palm V first came out (still use my T|T). Would love to stay with Palm forever, just have not been able to see much added value in any new Palm devices recently. The real value I get from the device did not come from Palm, it came from the developers that created all of the applications on the Palm that I use every day. The 'core' applications are too similar on an device to be a distinguishing factor any more (contacts, calendar, email, web, chat). Once developers of 'unique' applications all support the iPhone platform, or their competitors come out with 'like' functionality, I will likely switch. I see that day coming in the next twelve months. And based on information, editorials, and comments in forums like this one, there is nothing being said to the contrary.

RE: SDK for iPhone
endaugust @ 12/25/2007 3:35:17 PM # Q
I doubt that *all* of your favorite 3rd party apps now usable on Palm will go on to the iPhone in the next 12 months. iPhone might open things up but it would take a while longer for apps to be functional and applicable on the new platform.

And you are not wasting your money by switching to Centro and extend your contract. Sprint still has the cheapest data plan available out there. Switch to AT&T (or wherever else) for an iPhone and your monthly phone bill will jack up.

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$99 Centros are SO yesterday

SeldomVisitor @ 10/27/2007 8:55:49 AM # Q
Now $30 on Amazon.

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Other Carriers

shirlock1 @ 10/29/2007 8:31:09 AM # Q
Thanks for the review. You did not mention is the other CDMA carrier, verizon, will be introducing the treo. Also did you find any problems with the need to reboot due to lock ups. My 700p is becoming more prone to needing continous reboots. Is there an easy solution for that?

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Softkick Audio Gateway

Kai579 @ 12/3/2007 4:37:31 PM # Q
Quick Question...

I understand that adding the Softkick Audio Gateway software will enable me to listen to music wirelessly via bluetooth that the same case for a regular bluetooth earpiece. Will it allow me to connect to my reg earpiece as just a headset to transfer music?

I have a small earpiece, I would love to listen to music at work w/o anyone noticing!!

RE: Softkick Audio Gateway
endaugust @ 12/25/2007 3:29:09 PM # Q
The softstick app enables using bluetooth headset with STEREO. Of course, the Centro allows you to use Bluetooth normally without softstick app.
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Keypad Malfunction

ddixon @ 12/10/2007 10:10:29 PM # Q
I'm on my second Palm Centro phone since October. The first phone just stopped working and the keypad on my second phone is not working well. Certain letters on keypad are not working. At this point there is a huge possibility I will be getting my third phone. Is anyone else having this same problem?

RE: Keypad Malfunction
JoeB @ 5/10/2008 12:22:35 PM # Q
While not a repair, there is a screen keyboard on the Centro (and the treo 680) for text and numbers in some applications. E.g., memos. Press the menu key after you have opened a new or old memo (or doc., or etc). Then press "Edit" You will see an item called "Keyboard". Select it. It is almost like what was used on some of Palm's PDA's that only had this soft keyboard.

Don't bother asking customer support about this. I never found anyone who even knew about this feature on the Centro.

RE: Keypad Malfunction
HunterCentro @ 1/11/2009 8:08:23 PM # Q
I'm having the same problem on my first centro where both my send call button and power button put the phone to sleep, and my Y, H, and B buttons mimic that of the E, D, and X buttons when pressed... when i press the Y it shows that i have pressed the E as with the H for a D, and B for an X.... No idea what is going on! anyone know?

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likeanisaid @ 12/10/2007 11:29:49 PM # Q
i really appriciate this review, its extremely thorough. but i was wondering, can you send pictures through text? i had a pocket pc before and it didnt have the capability to send pics through text, thats why i was wondering.

many thanks,

RE: pictures
Ryan @ 12/10/2007 11:50:03 PM # Q
Thanks. Yes, there is a mms multimedia message application included that can send text messages with pictures and sounds.
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MicroSD or MicroSDHC

GoofyDude @ 12/11/2007 11:41:11 PM # Q
I just bought a Centro today off the Palm web site. I guess it will come in a week or so. What I can't figure out in reading everything I can find is if the OS can support the new 4GB MicroSDHC card or do I try to find the older 4GB MicroSD card. The trick here is that if the Centro can't support the MicroSDHC card, then the you can't get the older MicroSD. Just when you think you've spotted one, the HC logo is inevitably on it. What's worse, vendors forget to tell you that it is HC. Can anyone confirm with certainty whether Centro supports MicroSDHC or not? Thanks for reading this!

RE: MicroSD or MicroSDHC
endaugust @ 12/25/2007 3:27:14 PM # Q
My Centro works with MicroSDHC!
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I like my Centro!

CougarMutt @ 1/23/2008 1:47:04 PM # Q
I am a recent convert from the Smartphone (Motorola Q) to the palm Centro. I find it easier to use, faster to operate, better connectivity, and more stable. not to mention the Centro has better reception than the Q. An area I drive through to and from work has a low spot (signal wise that is) and I would drop a call with my Q ina heartbeat! With the Centro, I barely loose a bar or connection (strting from full connectivity).

As for what it is lacking, the only thing I can think of is WiFi connectivity. it would be nice to be in a coffee shop with Free WiFi and connnect that way (on 802.11x) rather than through the Sprint Data network.

As for the battery cover squeeking, never had that issue. I camp once each month with a Scout Troop and what i do is get a freezer grade Ziplock (pint size) and put my phone in it. It is sand proof, water proof - rain proof, and mud proof. You can also talk through the bag if need be.

Once I turned off the BEAM my battery lasted a lot...LOT...longer. And i leave the Bluetooth on only when I need it. My battery lasts for a couple days now.

Drawback, my Blue Any headphone (Bluetooth earpiece) will not initiate an autodial. is there a way to set up the earpiece to initiate a voicedial?

Well, nuff said. have fun!

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Centro Review

bill45 @ 2/1/2008 2:09:25 PM # Q
i have had my centro for a few days. I just would like to say that its soooo awesome. i think the point about the ear phone size is right. my friend bought a iphone and i am sorry but 499 to 99 come on!!! this is by far the better buy. they say the keys are too small yet i only use one hand to send text and its no probleam. if your a two thumbs person then it is. I have had zero troubles with this unit love all the apps. no its not a iphone but its not 499 either. oh yea to all you iphone people suckers.

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Does the Centro freeze up & require reboot?

scooter137 @ 2/17/2008 12:16:23 AM # Q
I am thinking of buying the Centro, but can Centro owners please tell me if it freezes up on you? A friend who owned the Treo 650 told me that it would often freeze up while he was using the PIM programs and required rebooting. From reading online user reviews of Treo 650 and 680, I have read many similar complaints. One user reviewer on CNET claimed this was due to the inherent limitation of the Palm OS, being ill-equipped for the multi-tasking required in a phone-PDA. Because the Centro has the same OS, I wondered if you have noticed this. From reading the user reviews on the Centro on this site as well as other sites, I have not noticed any complaints about this. One more thing -- AT&T has better coverage where I live than Sprint, and AT&T just released the Centro. Does anyone know if I can expect the same performance from the Centro on ATT as it does on Sprint? I know one has EDGE and the other has EVDO, but I don't care that much about how quickly I can surf the net, I mostly want a reliable phone and PDA. Many thanks.

RE: Does the Centro freeze up & require reboot?
bhartman34 @ 3/13/2008 10:08:57 AM # Q
I've had the Centro (AT&T version) for a couple of weeks now. It's never frozen up during the PIM functions. In general, I've found it very stable.

One word of advice, though: if you're upgrading from a previous Palm, you probably want to add apps back slowly, rather than just synching your Centro to the old profile immediately. I had a lot of problems with Documents to Go initially, and it was because something in my old profile (from my TX) was conflicting.

RE: Does the Centro freeze up & require reboot?
jeffgalliano @ 3/25/2008 7:18:49 PM # Q
My Centro doesn't respond ("freeze") on incoming calls up to 10 times a day. The "answer" button (on the screen) and green "send" button (next to "phone") block and it is impossible to accept the incoming calls. It is necessary to perform a soft reset to solve the problem temporary. Even after hard reset the situation is the same. This is very frustrating for a new device. Sometimes, frequent callibration of the screen from the "Preferences" menue delays the freezing effect. AFAIK the problem is software-related, considering the recovery after reset. Is there any update on the palm support page / forums, related to the problem? I couldn't find any. From time to time, there is onother problem I experienced - from the contact menu it is difficult to dial the selected number. Sometimes it is necessary to press "dial" several times resulting in significant delay.

RE: Does the Centro freeze up & require reboot?
Rastick @ 3/26/2008 1:01:57 AM # Q
Something is clearly wrong with your unit. Did you install any "old" software onto to it from a prior unit, as that's a favorite problem. TreoCentral forums are probably the best place to go to get people to help you diagnose the issue.
RE: Does the Centro freeze up & require reboot?
jeffgalliano @ 3/26/2008 2:17:28 AM # Q
That was what I thought in the beginning. I performed a hard reset, deleted all data in the Palm Centro, even start entering my contacts manually to avoid unnecessary remnants form previously uninstalled software, but the "freezing" effect is still there. I will contact the reseller to check my Centro and hope to receive a brand new. Otherwise, great operating system and very attractive model.

RE: Does the Centro freeze up & require reboot?
mrae429 @ 4/1/2008 10:23:14 AM # Q

Just talked to a Sprint Tech and he told me when this happens to go to the dial pad and key ##377 and will get a message in the phone telling you what is causing the problem , date and time included

RE: Does the Centro freeze up & require reboot?
cookiben @ 4/7/2008 3:44:00 AM # Q
Hi All.. I have EXACTLY the same problem as stated there. Incoming calls when click on the "Answer" button, the whole screen freezes for a while until the other party decides to hang up. It happens like this for a few times per week until I decided to do a clean Hard reset many times without installing any new applications at all. But the problem is still there.

Worst still, when try to dial out using the green button, it freezes for like 7 seconds before it starts dialing. IT happens the same way from choosing from Contact or Call History.

Call Palm support and they suspect it's my SIM card but I don't think so. Never had such a problem in my previous Samsung phone.

Sigh.. a bit disappointed though, I love Palm OS.. but it's not great as a phone really..

RE: Does the Centro freeze up & require reboot?
mikecane @ 4/7/2008 10:15:25 AM # Q
And now imagine that happening to ONE MILLION PLUS PEOPLE all across this country.

Nice work, Colligan!

Put a bullet in your other foot too.

RE: Does the Centro freeze up & require reboot?
hkklife @ 4/7/2008 12:17:58 PM # Q
My first 700p did exactly that no mattter what was loaded on the device or not. My 2nd & 3rd 700p's (refurb replacements) were newer and were slightly better than the first one in regards to this huge lag when placing/answering/ending calls. My 755p does it too (though not AS badly).

The problem is inherent with FrankenGarnet. It simply collapses under the weight of telephony. My advice is to go to 2 devices and carry a small dedicated dumbphone & use the Centro as a wireless PDA (cut its service down to data only).

Anyone who has any serious need for voice functionality should not be using a Palm OS smartphone. It's simply too unreliable & too unstable, even in a totally clean, barebones state w/ no 3rd party apps.

Just because the Centro is the best of a sorry lot (650, 700p, 755p) still does not mean it's a GOOD phone. Now, I will say that for non-phone functions, the Centro is very snappy and doesn't have nearly the kind of NVFS-related lag most other recent Palm devices do. Also, it might help you a bit to go into prefs and select Date & Time to "Automatically set: nothing" instead of date/time/time zone from the network towers.

For what it's worth, there have been reports on TreoCentral and other sites that state GSM Centro owners who inset a 3G SIM card into their Centros have experienced issues that are minimized or not present when using a 2G SIM card. So that might be something to look into...

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: Does the Centro freeze up & require reboot?
JoeB @ 5/10/2008 12:28:59 PM # Q
I found that by and large the Palm Desktop was backward compatable, bringing up almost all the data from my old PDA (and desktop), but the Centro and 680 are not backward compatable with some contact information. This relates at least to how contact information is now treated. See my comments above under "Great.." near beginning of comment section.

RE: Does the Centro freeze up & require reboot?
cervezas @ 5/12/2008 10:04:33 AM # Q
I picked up an at&t Centro a few weeks ago and have been delighted with it. Not seen any freeze-ups or lag and have yet to need to reboot it for any reason. It's been a step up from the Treo 680, which was the best Treo I'd used before the Centro. For various reasons I've been carrying both a Sprint BlackBerry 8820 and a Palm smartphone for almost a year, so it's interesting to compare the BB with the Centro. The Centro is superior for voice, PIM, text and browsing-all by a wide margin-and, to my surprise, is also a more handsome device than the BlackBerry, which I thought was pretty snazzy when I first got it. For me the BlackBerry is still marginally better for email, though the gap is certainly closing. And the GPS on the BB is a great feature using MapQuest Navigator for turn-by-turn directions. I guess you should get *something* extra for paying three times the price, huh?

All said and done, I'll put the BlackBerry in a drawer and carry the Centro in a heartbeat if I can get my current client to let me access their Exchange server from the Centro.

David Beers
Senior Wireless Developer

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lazieg @ 4/3/2008 5:21:26 PM # Q
Is it just me or do the features on all the palms look a little cartoonish especially the icons. It also seems that with all the technology that they would at least upgrade to a better camera 1.3mp is just waaaaay out dated, this should have been improve years ago. Also a flash would be nice since alot of pics are also taken at night i.e. concerts clubs etc. Even the iphone has a 2mp camera and the clarity is 100x better, but again it's probably just me.

RE: Features
hkklife @ 4/3/2008 7:27:38 PM # Q
We're seriously quite lucky that the Centro even has a 1.3mp camera and not a VGA one. A flash would require spending money and reworking the formfactor slightly. No, it's not just you. Palm has never been known for multimedia in any form, nor have they been known for spending the big $ on R&D or for their engineering prowess. Remember, if Palm decrees that we don't NEED it, then we shouldn't WANT it!

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p
RE: Features
twrock @ 4/3/2008 8:54:15 PM # Q
Remember, if Palm decrees that we don't NEED it, then we shouldn't WANT it!

Vs. Apple, if Steve doesn't want it, we don't need it. ;)

"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

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Ring tone

tarangmedico @ 4/6/2008 4:13:12 PM # Q
Can any one tell me how to set up a ring tone which says "call from XXXXXXX"
I mean the ring tone says call from the caller name.
I have seen that option in Treo and was wondering Centro too has that option.

RE: Ring tone
tarangmedico @ 4/18/2008 7:56:18 AM # Q
Thanks for your time.
But this is not the one I was expecting. I have assigned speed dial, as shown in the link but its not saying the name of the person when some one called.

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i like the centro

Gekko @ 6/1/2008 7:56:49 AM # Q

i like the tiny form factor, functionality, and price.

is it groundbreaking? no. exciting? no. effective? yes.

RE: i like the centro
gmayhak @ 6/7/2008 11:23:38 PM # Q
I've had just about every Palm device, still have most of them. This little Centro has a lot going for it! With the bundled PocketTunes it is the 'Transistor Radio' for the new generation. Its speaker quality is exceptional, I carry it in a cloth pouch in my pants pocket and enjoy Beach boys, Garth and a lot of my favorites while tending the critters & making buggy whips ;-)
Seriously, I still use the LifeDrive & TX for some stuff but I always carry the Centro although I don't have a data plan & don't use it as a phone.
If you have a Centro be sure to check out all the 320 X 320 Pocket Tunes skins, my favorite is a simulation of the Apollo command module instrumentation.


Tech Center Labs

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centro application error sony clie

amandaj @ 6/2/2008 8:06:37 AM # Q
I owned a Sony Clie at one time with palm OS, now I receive errors often which freeze up my phone. The error states "This application is for Sony Clie only". Any idea how to permanently remove this error? I have removed all applications in the Palm OS software that have Sony in the file name. Help?

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Dodgy screens

Unhappycustomer @ 7/28/2008 2:38:03 AM # Q
Dont know if maybe i got a dud or something, but after 2 weeks of having bought my centro (and looking after it meticulously.... uni students dont have much cash to replace phones) I pulled it out of my pocket after watching tv to find the screen wa busted. I know it sounds weird, but its true. And my only option?? $235 for a new phone because the warranty doesnt cover screen repair. Dont think so. Ill not be buying another palm product and will be warning my friends and family from doing so.

RE: Dodgy screens
PacManFoo @ 7/28/2008 8:55:06 AM # Q
-and looking after it meticulously....
-I pulled it out of my pocket

Don't think you can blame Palm for this one. Did you have it in a hard case? It doesn't take a whole lot to damage a digitizer screen. Next time I'd suggest one of these ->

The last known classic PDA user.
I've recently upgraded from a Palm TX to a Newton MP2000!

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Want iphone theme for centro.

friendlyfarmer @ 9/3/2008 2:20:42 PM # Q
I've downloaded a few different zip files to my centro so i would be able to have the iphone theme. It takes me a long time to browse on the phone and once I download everything I think I need there's just a bunch of letters on the screen and no download button. I would appreciate if someone told me everything I need to do in order. It'd save me a lot of time, I'm sure. Thanks in advance.
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goducks0124 @ 9/7/2008 6:04:57 PM # Q
umm yes does anybody know how to download songs from i tunes or windows media player on to the palm centro
RE: help
jds3000 @ 9/12/2008 9:25:16 PM # Q
You should be able to find the file where your music files reside; if all the palm drivers and software are installed to hotsync, you should be able to right-click on the music file and send to device (palm) using quickinstall, or Install tool, or whatever it's called. When you hotsync your palm and pc, the files should be there in Ptunes.

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Retrieving Deleted Texts

darkone23 @ 12/16/2008 7:08:12 AM # Q
Hey folks,

I am trying to find out if there is a process/feature for me being able to retrieve deleted text messages. Is there a text trash bin or deleted folder I can locate?

RE: Retrieving Deleted Texts
Gekko @ 12/16/2008 7:16:54 AM # Q

09/16/2005, 02:36 AM #8
David Sydney

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Yes it can. If you Hotsynch'd before you deleted the message you can go into your user\backup folder & double click on "Messages_Database.pdb" to restore your previous SMS & MMS folders and messages. Of course anything since the hotsync will not be there.

I have done this & also with the call log "PhoneCallDB.pdb" to restore after deleting the wrong thing while trying to reconcile my phone bill. In fact the call log has got to be a great example of how not to do programming. Not only is there dumb options on the Purge menu item like the absense of "Delete prior to Date" bringing up a date picklist. Which forces me to delete call log items one by one, but also the Delete items is one of the only ones without a menu shortcut key - heaps of taps. You can see why I have restored before...

RE: Retrieving Deleted Texts
darkone23 @ 12/16/2008 7:45:11 AM # Q
Yeah, that's the thing. My wife has not used HotSync since we bought the phone. So are you saying I can still go through a link and retrieve these deleted messages?
RE: Retrieving Deleted Texts
Gekko @ 12/16/2008 8:31:38 AM # Q

if it was never hotsynced, you will not be able to retrieve the messages because there was no SMS database file created on the desktop. and the SMS database file on the phone has been changed forever and can't be brought back.

why are you trying to recover your wife's SMS text messages? something kinky going on?

RE: Retrieving Deleted Texts
darkone23 @ 12/16/2008 9:28:25 AM # Q
Yeah, we got into it because she had been texting this guy and she deleted the texts which don't seem to go with her story, so I wanted to know if there was a way to retrieve them.
RE: Retrieving Deleted Texts
Gekko @ 12/16/2008 9:34:42 AM # Q

dude, sorry to hear it. that sucks.

RE: Retrieving Deleted Texts
darkone23 @ 12/16/2008 9:44:08 AM # Q
Yeah, I really wish I was able to get those texts. It'd be all I need. She says that the conversation was only about some "general" stuff but why delete them if it were? Why even entertain the conversation of a stranger? Thanks for your help.
RE: Retrieving Deleted Texts
freakout @ 12/16/2008 1:19:17 PM # Q
Mate, if you're so paranoid about your wife's activities that you need to go digging through her personal messages I'd suggest your relationship is in enough trouble already.
RE: Retrieving Deleted Texts
Gekko @ 12/16/2008 1:47:20 PM # Q

"Never judge a man until you walk a mile in his moccasins."

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Ansley @ 1/3/2009 10:51:00 AM # Q
Well my friend's mother had her BlackBerry dropped in juice (dont ask)and so she got the palm cetro as a replacment but after she got it she kept saying it crashes alot. I really want one as my new phone but i dont want a phone that crashes alot so can sombody please tell me if there a good phone for an 11 year old girl that likes to text alot or would a rumor or rant cellphone be better..

RE: Crashing
dandrade @ 1/7/2009 6:46:58 AM # Q
I have had a Centro for 3 months and it has never crashed yet. In fact, I have had no problems with it at all. You can get them now for about $50 so it is not only a great smartphone, but extremely inexpensive.

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centro vs treo

magicboy @ 1/13/2009 1:21:23 PM # Q
Nice review. I currently have Verizon service,and a Treo 700P. I use the keyboard for text messaging,and also use Decuma for texting also (I can't use my left thumb to text due to carpal tunnel syndrome). My kid got a Centro, but doesn't really like it due to the inability to use instant messaging on Verizon with the Centro unless you also pick up Verizon internet, a hugh monthly charge. So, 2 questions if I may: is there any way to use the Centro without internet service? And, if I offer to take her Centro for myself, will I like it as much as the Treo?

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Centro auxiliary antenna

sedonalorax @ 1/19/2009 2:11:46 PM # Q
The Palm Centro has a "jack" for connection of an auxiliary antenna, but does not sell and cable to make the connection. Does anyone know the specifications of the "jack?" I have connected previous phone to a "ground plane" antenna in the roof of my car and need to do the same with this one to reduce the number of dropped calls.

RE: Centro auxiliary antenna
Gekko @ 1/19/2009 2:25:49 PM # Q

please don't. it's 2009.

RE: Centro auxiliary antenna
twrock @ 1/19/2009 4:42:30 PM # Q
sedonalorax, please ignore the postings of some of the more "ignorant" among us who haven't figured out that not everyone lives where and how they do.

"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
RE: Centro auxiliary antenna
freakout @ 1/19/2009 4:59:35 PM # Q

At the bottom of the page you'll find an "external antenna adapter" for $10.95. Says it's for the Treo 650, but the Centro uses the same jack (I'm pretty certain it does anyway). Uses a standard FME connector, so it should work fine for your antenna.

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Palm's Bargain Phone - Buyer Beware

Review2u @ 4/28/2009 9:56:09 PM # Q

Cheaply constructed buttons. Long delays after button presses, etc. Can't sync email, etc unless connected the 'Sprint' network

I liked the included ring tones, battery life decent

I was excited to get a new Palm OS based phone at a great price. However, the phone's cheaply constructed tin-foil buttons caught on on the corner of my pants pocket just after the 30 day exchange policy. It was all over after that, as the bent buttons just kept getting worse, then the center button fell out making it impossible to use. Palm offered to fix the phone at a gracious 50% off for $150. So it can break again? No thanks!

Some might get lucky and not see these problems until months after purchase - just be forewarned.

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Centro migration

markrhys @ 7/25/2009 7:36:55 AM # Q
I have just bought a Centro.
For years I have used a Sony Clie PEO for addresses, calendar and memos.
It has now had it and I should like to move the data to the new Centro.
But the Centro will not synchronize with the old Palm Desktop installed in my computer, through HotSync.
I installed the software disk on my reserve laptop and in "updating" the software it removed all the existing data.
I cannot get the software to install on the desktop without this (radical and unwanted) "updating".
Is there any way I can get the old records onto the Centro? I should be most grateful for advice.
Mark Rhys, 25th July 2009
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lorianne @ 8/22/2009 11:46:02 AM # Q
I sing in in my account but i dont know how i can log out, anybody can help me. thanks
RE: Facebook
freakout @ 8/22/2009 4:01:27 PM # Q
Are you talking about the Facebook for Palm app, lorianne, or the web version?

If it's the app: press the 'menu' key on your Centro's keyboard, go to Options, then Settings, and there's a logout button.

If it's the web version, there's a link at the very bottom of the page to log out.

Hope this helps

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alfresco5 @ 10/7/2009 10:24:35 PM # Q
I have owned the Treo 500 and the Treo 755, and now the Centro. didn't work properly, the next stolen, so the Centro is my 3rd palm.

I like how much smaller it is (fits better in purses/pockets). I love how durable it is. I can't tell you how many times I've dropped it, and so far a minor scratch on one corner. Lastly the keyboard is hard enough for me to use, and i'm a thin female.

The treo on the other hand had a larger qwerty. Much more user friendly. The sound was better (both incoming and outgoing). And, most of all, the battery lasted much longer.

All in all...if u need a serious palm...go for the treo. If you want a palm that can do most of the tricks, but is smaller, get the Centro.


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Pretty much amazing.

holahhman20 @ 12/20/2009 9:55:13 AM # Q
So basically, I think this phone is amazing. I use it all the time, I bring it in the woods, everything. I've had my phone for about a year and a couple months now, and I can only tell a small difference between it's performance since I first got it. Obviously the screen will get a little scratched up, it's a TOUCH screen. And if your phone gets scratched up the next day, then I would just say you have the worst luck in the world. My phone has dropped in the street, in the mud, and almost in water. So what if there are a few scratches; not like you can't text or anything. The keypad is great, in my opinion. This is my first full screen keyboard, though, so I can't really judge other phones. As far as the camera goes, the pictures and movies are obviously not high quality; it's on a phone. You can't expect it to be like a 100 dollar camera. All in all, as long as you buy one with an attractive color, I would buy this phone every time i needed a new one.
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RIP Centro

Gekko @ 2/24/2010 6:03:10 PM # Q

no more Centros listed on not even the ugly olive one.

RIP Centro.

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Palm Centro

shym14 @ 3/21/2010 11:03:04 AM # Q
I've had my palm for almost a year now and recently the touchscreen stopped working... I have no damage to the screen otherwise. Is anyone else having this problem?
RE: Palm Centro
Gekko @ 3/21/2010 12:59:20 PM # M Q
IMO - if a hard reset doesn't work - it's time to buy a new one on ebay (i trust best buy ebay store) OR time to upgrade to Android or iPhone. make sure you do a backup!!!

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Palm Centro- Best Phone Ever!

nessa1123 @ 5/22/2010 6:34:21 PM # Q
If you got this phone from AT&T you'd know that this is the best phone ever! I had this phone for a whole year and even though I dropped it in a toilet and the charger outlet was messed up, it still worked. Someone just had to steal it and now I'm stuck with the worst phone ever; the LG Neon... I love it but, its slow and the Palm Centro is just and all around better phone... it's an iPhone with a QWERTY keyboard!
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