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Palm Treo 750 Pictures

Palm Treo 750Engadget has posted the latest round of leaked Palm Treo 750 pictures. This is the long rumored next Windows Mobile powered Treo expected to be released sometime this fall. This new set of pics seems to confirm the name will be the Treo 750. It was previously known by the code-name Treo Hollywood. This model is expected to debut on Vodafone in Europe and on Cingular in the US. The Treo 750 is expected to support UMTS, HSPDA and there have been conflicting reports about whether or not it will include built in Wi-Fi. In addition it will ship with MSFP push email support, a 1.3 mp camera and features an antenna-less design.

UPDATE: The Treo 750v has been officially announced.

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No WiFi...then it's BiBi

Foo Fighter @ 8/9/2006 9:03:08 PM # Q
Unless Palm finally bakes 802.11 into this Treo it won't even be on my short list of smartphone options. WiFi is a critical connectivity option that a great many smartphone customers will simply not overlook.

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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
mtt @ 8/9/2006 9:28:05 PM # Q
And how many top selling smartphones currently feature WiFi???

Sure it would be nice, but it is way down the list of features normal people demand from a phone. Plus EVDO or UMTS render WiFi mostly redundent.

Handspring Visor, Palm V, Treo 180, Treo 90, Treo 600, Treo 650...
MTT

RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Foo Fighter @ 8/9/2006 9:43:14 PM # Q
>> "And how many top selling smartphones currently feature WiFi???"

Hmm. Let me see, there is the entire line of HTC Apache and Wizard phones offered by carriers like Cingular and T-mobile. Then of course there are all those similarly equipped Windows Mobile Smartphones. Uh..there's the Nokia E61

>> "Sure it would be nice, but it is way down the list of features normal people demand from a phone."

"Normal people" don't buy smartphones and therefore aren't the target market. Smartphones are targeted at business users and prosumers...where such feature is indeed critical.

>> "Plus EVDO or UMTS render WiFi mostly redundent.",

Last time I checked EVDO/UMTS weren't free solutions. Why would I pull data through costly carrier pipes when I can access all my data for free over home or corporate LAN/WAN networks?

Corporate customers want these devices connecting with their corporate WiFi networks.

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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
skennedy1217 @ 8/9/2006 9:56:55 PM # Q
Yeah, I agree with FooFighter. The high cost of data plans is the one thing that's kept me from buying a smartphone like the Treo. And even if the plans were lower in price, I would still want to use my home network. But then again I'm just a Joe Consumer type and not a corporate power user.

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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Rome @ 8/10/2006 12:05:45 AM # Q
>>WiFi is a critical connectivity option that a great many smartphone customers will simply not overlook.<<

I guess the 5+ million Blackberry users must have overlooked this feature....


RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
fierywater @ 8/10/2006 1:28:18 AM # Q
"I guess the 5+ million Blackberry users must have overlooked this feature...."

Your typical Blackberry user is slightly different than the type of person who would buy a Palm or Windows-based smartphone. Most are given to them by their work purely for on-the-go e-mail communications. Granted, that means the businesses have overlooked said feature, but the Blackberry infrastructure is far more important than things like WiFi to them.

RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
scstraus2 @ 8/10/2006 6:02:51 AM # Q
Yeah, the latest round of Palm's offerings on both PalmOS and Windows Mobile are pretty far behind the crowd, and more expensive. The latest HTC TyTn has a 2 megapixel camera, and an extra VGA for video conferencing, UMTS (3g), EDGE (2.5g), GPRS (2g), Wi-fi, bluetooth, and infrared. All this in a package a bit smaller than the treo.

Palm's missed the boat on this generation of mobiles, I'm afraid. I can get the nokia e61 with 3g data for half the price of the treo.

RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Foo Fighter @ 8/10/2006 9:06:52 AM # Q
>> "I guess the 5+ million Blackberry users must have overlooked this feature...."

RIM has a different business model which is based around selling a proprietary e-mail/messaging system to customers and service providers. In short, Blackberry is an email client...not a computing platform. So even though Palm, Microsoft, HTC, et al, target the same market...they go about it from different metaphors.

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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Foo Fighter @ 8/10/2006 9:11:30 AM # Q
>> "Palm's missed the boat on this generation of mobiles, I'm afraid."

Unfortunately that is the case. I've been ranting lately that the Treo form factor is getting long in the tooth and is no longer competitive in today's market. The Moto Q is the most coveted smartphone right now, I'm starting to see these things everywhere, even in the supermarket people are whipping out Qs...and I don't mean in the Alphabet soup aisle. ;-)

When you consider the Q is less than half the cost of the Treo, and the possibility of the unlocked GSM model having WiFi, who is going to want the WinMob/PalmOS Treo 700/750?

>> "I can get the nokia e61 with 3g data for half the price of the treo."

And in the case of PalmOS Treos..you would be getting a superior phone and software.

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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Foo Fighter @ 8/10/2006 9:33:30 AM # Q
>> "The latest HTC TyTn has a 2 megapixel camera, and an extra VGA for video conferencing, UMTS (3g), EDGE (2.5g), GPRS (2g), Wi-fi, bluetooth, and infrared. All this in a package a bit smaller than the treo."

I find myself oddly drawn to this smartphone for some reason, which is unusual because I have never found these clone-like HTC Apache/Wizard phones appealing in the least; too bulky. But the TyTn seems to change that for me. The killer of course will be it's pricetag, which is likely to surpass Treo. I'm thinking around $700 is what the unlocked GSM model will set you back. I hope I'm wrong.

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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
dorelse @ 8/10/2006 3:53:09 PM # Q
I gotta politely disagree.

As a mobile professional, RIM has it right...from a communication strategy.

Most mobile professionals (especially large corporate deployments), don't pay for their access, so they don't care how they get their e-mail, calendar, contacts, etc....all they care about is that it works quickly, and seemlessly, all the time, every time.

I don't want to hunt for a wi-fi spot, in fact, sitting in the airport last night, I didn't even look. Just whip out the Blackberry, and viola...e-mail. When I had my Treo 650, it was the same thing...work pays the bills, I use all the data minutes I need to get the job done.

Using cellphone towers is the only viable solution...WiMax may change all that, but that's what 2-3 years away in a stable, reliable mobile device, that doesn't need to be recharged every 30 minutes, if not more.

Finding, configuring, logging in, etc, at all the various wifi hotspots, is far too complex and cumbersome for the average user to ever gain a large adoption rate. Joe Corporate Road Warrior wants simple, reliable access, and that's via cellphone signal, not wifi.

Wifi while important for a lot of the individual power users like you and I, is not at all important for the large corporations...and that is where Palm is trying to gain marketshare.

My company of 15,000 employees has not 1, not 1 WiFi location anywhere. They are deemed, unreliable, unsafe, and unsecured. Every PC, desktop or laptop is plugged in for security reasons, as well as the TCO being reduced. Many are the same way.

RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Rome @ 8/10/2006 4:47:00 PM # Q
>>Your typical Blackberry user is slightly different than the type of person who would buy a Palm or Windows-based smartphone. Most are given to them by their work purely for on-the-go e-mail communications. Granted, that means the businesses have overlooked said feature, but the Blackberry infrastructure is far more important than things like WiFi to them.<<

My points exactly. For majority of Business customers, a reliable and robust email solution is far more important than having wi fi on their smartphones. While many people on this board like to complain about the lack of built-in wi fi on their Treos, the reality in the market place is totally different picture.


RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Rome @ 8/10/2006 4:55:09 PM # Q
>>Blackberry is an email client...not a computing platform. So even though Palm, Microsoft, HTC, et al, target the same market...they go about it from different metaphors<<

BB is not a computing platform? Microsoft and I disagree. In a recent presentation, Microsoft sees Symbian, RIM, and Mobile Linux as its top three competitors in the mobile market.

RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Foo Fighter @ 8/10/2006 4:59:16 PM # Q
>> "I don't want to hunt for a wi-fi spot, in fact, sitting in the airport last night, I didn't even look."

That's fine, not everyone wants WiFi. I can respect that...but you and Rome are missing the big picture; if you don't want it...don't use it. The 802.11 radio will never burden you in any way, while it's absence leaves much to be desired for many users. There is simply no logical reason for handset vendors to exclude WiFi. It adds minimal cost to the bill of sales, and if unused will never in any way tax power consumption. I don't have EDGE support in my area...does this mean I should demand a phone that DOESN'T support EDGE? Of course not. The technology is there under the hood whether I need it or not. If I do, fine. If not, that's fine too. The point is that I have the option of using it I so choose.

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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Gekko @ 8/10/2006 7:47:16 PM # Q

Sprint's "all you can eat" data plan is a $10 per month add-on making WIFI unnecessary and superfluous. I don't know anyone in my company who would ever use it. There's no reason.

Also, the WIFI radio adds size, weight, cost, and certainly wouldn't help Palm's critical negotiating position with wireless carriers.



RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Foo Fighter @ 8/10/2006 8:36:09 PM # Q
>> "Sprint's "all you can eat" data plan is a $10"

Great price...if you can get it! With Cingular I pay that same amount now for their "Media Basic" package which offers...hold on to your hat...a whopping 1MB download limit. Meaning you only get 1MB of wireless internet data transfers...after that the toll meter kicks in and you pay through the nose.. Nice, eh?

For twice that amount, I can upgrade to the Media Max 200 package which grants me unlimited Internet access and free Video, which isn't bad. But you only get quota of 200 messages (text-picture-IM-video), which kind of sucks.

Pound for pound I still prefer a WiFi network, especially given that it provides full control over your wireless experience.



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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Foo Fighter @ 8/10/2006 8:59:52 PM # Q
Also forgot to mention that unless you have 3G access, WiFi is your only option for truly high-speed data access. Unless of course you enjoy experiencing vintage dial-up internet access at its best. All about the information super-cowpath!

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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Foo Fighter @ 8/10/2006 9:05:58 PM # Q
>> "Also, the WIFI radio adds size, weight, cost,"

No it doesn't, Gekko. The Nokia E61 is proof that argument no longer holds water. You can easilily fit a WiFi radio into a small thin lightweight package. Myth busted.

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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Gekko @ 8/10/2006 9:35:00 PM # Q

FooMonster -

1. Switch to Sprint. Cingular offers you nothing but shiitty service/coverage and high costs IMO.
2. Palm is no Nokia. Different companies with different resources and different economies of scale.

There is no need for WIFI when you have a virtualy UBIQUITOUS cellular connection.


RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Rome @ 8/10/2006 9:35:49 PM # Q
I never said that I didn't want wifi. I merely pointed out the fact that 5+ million customers didn't allow the lack of wifi stop them from using their BB smartphones.

Foo Fighter wrote: "WiFi is a critical connectivity option that a great many smartphone customers will simply not overlook."

I gave you 5+ million data points on why your above statement is inaccurate. Can you quantify the "a great many smartphone customers will simply not overlook" phrase in your above statement?


RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
AdamaDBrown @ 8/10/2006 10:00:13 PM # Q
Foo wrote:
I don't have EDGE support in my area

Good god man, where the hell do you live? I live in nowhere, and even I have EDGE.

Gekko--you do realize that Sprint's broadband network covers less than half the US population, right? Also, no data roaming is available on Verizon, so if you're not in the city = no go.

Anyway, maybe a cellular connection works for you, but I'd rather not have to go through an encrypted VPN with high latency and limited bandwidth just to run VNC with my desktop computer.

RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Foo Fighter @ 8/10/2006 10:01:23 PM # Q
>> "1. Switch to Sprint. Cingular offers you nothing but shiitty service/coverage and high costs IMO."

No thanks. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever go back to a dinosaur CDMA carrier. That is a dead-end architecture. Even Nokia is phasing out its CDMA production, which is one of several reasons why I dumped Verizon. Phone selection sucks and always will because GSM is the world standard and most broadly supported. The best phones are designed for GSM, and then if ever for CDMA. Plus I can own as many phones as I want (I have four right now) and the freedom to move between them at leisure, simply by swapping SIM cards. With CDMA you are all but locked into one phone throughout the duration of your contract. Not so with GSM. I can go out right now and buy an iMate Jammin or any othe GSM smartphone that suits my fancy (as I recently did with the Nokia E61). Go buy yourself an E61. Oh...that's right, you can't.

As far as coverage goes...mine is just fine. As good as I was experiencing under Verizon. Voice plan packages is fairly comparable across carriers, only the data plans have some differentiation.

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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Gekko @ 8/10/2006 10:07:59 PM # Q

Move out of the sticks, gentlemen.



RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
Foo Fighter @ 8/10/2006 10:42:41 PM # Q
>> "Good god man, where the hell do you live? I live in nowhere, and even I have EDGE."

Well this is a hoot. I just checked on Cingular's coverage map and NOW I apparently am under EDGE. When this happened God only knows, as that wasn't the case just a few months ago when I inquired. Thanks for notifying me, Cingular. Friggin jerk offs!!

In that case it's time to bump up my data plan.

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RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
dorelse @ 8/10/2006 10:54:59 PM # Q
Foo - Believe it or not, my employer views Wi-Fi as a huge huge security risk in any an all devices. They absolutely do not want it even included, and PAY to have the Wi-Fi cards removed from our laptops...as some enterprising young IT types might get it working and risk data theft.

So they're paranoia is ultimately a good thing for protecting customer data.

I think most large corporations are of the same mind set....and since they have the big $$$, their voice is hear louder than ours.

I'm not arguing your point, b/c I'm probably going to purchase a t-mobile SDA as my next phone b/c is has wi-fi included (vs. Cingular's 2125 or the Treo's)

RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
mtt @ 8/11/2006 7:28:30 AM # Q
I'm sure some of you are seeing this... as more carriers carry BlackBerries, and they make slicker phones, more and more non-corporate people are getting them. They do text extremely well, most have AIM & MSN chat compatibility, Nextel has them with the DirectConnect radio, etc. BlackBerry is growing, at the expense of less synced/connected smartphones.

Handspring Visor, Palm V, Treo 180, Treo 90, Treo 600, Treo 650...
MTT
RE: No WiFi...then it's BiBi
hoodoo @ 8/15/2006 3:20:47 PM # Q
Re the Nokia E61 and Wifi: that's if one can get it!

Rogers here in Canada is about to introduce the E62...*without* WiFi...thanks. Either that or get the unlocked version of the E61 on the grey market for $600.

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Palm, you bastards

freakout @ 8/9/2006 11:04:44 PM # Q
Lennon is black.

Nitro is grey.

Are they trying to force me onto WinMob?

Tim
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Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

RE: Palm, you bastards
Foo Fighter @ 8/9/2006 11:39:13 PM # Q
Actually the carriers usually get their own unique color schemes, so don't immediately assume that Lennon is black while Nitro is grey. For example, the Cingular Treo 650 looks radically different than the unlocked GSM model.

I agree though...the black is sexier.

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RE: Palm, you bastards
ComputerGeek9866 @ 8/9/2006 11:57:40 PM # Q
Are you kidding? Black treo with silver accents and no antenna... Excuse me while I wipe the drool off my keyboard...
RE: Palm, you bastards
freakout @ 8/10/2006 12:42:38 AM # Q
Actually Foo, that's a good point. I forgot that the U.S. carriers get a variety of colours.

Fingers crossed the unlocked GSM (when it eventuates) will be in black.

Tim
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RE: Palm, you bastards
KultiVator @ 8/10/2006 3:39:59 AM # Q
But Tim - it runs WinMob...

...you're not really gonna sell your soul are you????


KultiVator

RE: Palm, you bastards
serpico @ 8/10/2006 3:45:32 AM # Q
I would get one of these if it had PalmOS running. My Treo 650 is so easy to navigate and use.

RE: Palm, you bastards
freakout @ 8/10/2006 5:45:11 AM # Q
KV, not yet! Even if the PalmOS one is in grey, I'll accept it - begrudgingly. It's just that black is much sexier and makes it look a bit less "corporate".

Tim
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RE: Palm, you bastards
scstraus2 @ 8/10/2006 6:12:17 AM # Q
Unfortunately the newest PalmOS GSM phone will barely be an upgrade over the treo 650. No 3g, no Wifi, maybe not even a better camera.

For palm users it's probably time to either try to make it another year with their already old treo 650 or just get a nokia E61, HTC, or Motorola Q. The new Palm Treo is DOA.

RE: Palm, you bastards
hkklife @ 8/10/2006 9:37:26 AM # Q
Anything that adds to the 650's miniscule amount of onboard memory is an "upgrade" no matter how you slice it.

If I were a GSM user and, being a die-hard POS fan to the end, I'd seriously look at trading in my 650 for a Nitro. No antenna, battery buttons & styling, over 2x the available RAM, updated OS/bundled apps...and probably an improved but same resolution camera. This IS Palm, people...we have come to expect minor updates from one model to the next!

I'm just curious to see if the battery on the Nitro is replacable (if so then dropping a big Seidio battery in it is no problem) and if no major compromises have been made that might make it look worse than the outgoing 650. I essentially expect the new GSM Nitro to be identical to the 700P other than having EDGE instead of EVDO and the VGA camera. The smaller battery is likely intended to spur sales of an upcoming (drum roll) Palm-branded 2200mAh battery! And replacing the 1.3mp camera with a VGA one makes sense if you think about how long it'd take to upload 1+mp images over an EDGE connection. I've taken some pics on my 700P's camera that were too large to be sent via a picture message and had to go over e-mail instead!

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

The low-end POS/ High-end WM5 paradigm
Surur @ 8/10/2006 10:23:33 AM # Q

Unfortunately the Nitro isnt just a 700p with the antenna lobbed of. Its smaller and thinner, and the battery is a different, flatter, wider shape. Your old Seido battery will not work. Even the SIM card is now in the standard place, under th battery.

Saying they only used VGA because of EDGE is giving Palm too much credit. Remeber the old Cobalt plans, where they were going to use Cobalt for high-end handhelds, and Garnet for cheap phones? Or was it the other wa around.

With this move its clear that they felt, if they cant match the technology in the Lennon, they might as wel go all the way to a low cost device. This is the advent of the low-end POS/ High-end WM5 paradigm.

Surur

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RE: Palm, you bastards
T_W @ 8/10/2006 11:00:16 AM # Q
>This is the advent of the low-end POS/ High-end WM5 paradigm.

Dude, with your inherent spinning capabilities your wasting your time sitting in you mother's basement posting to every conceivable handheld message board.

You really should go into politics.

RE: Palm, you bastards
Surur @ 8/10/2006 11:46:31 AM # Q

Hey, how about refuting the argument instead. Is it not true that the W will be high-end, and the P low-end?

There is an interesting rumour on TC at the moment, saying that the Sprint Treo 700wx will have 64 MB SDRAM, vs the paltry 32 that Palm tried to get away with before. It looks like Palm is learning how to play the game in the WM world.

Surur

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RE: Palm, you bastards
hkklife @ 8/10/2006 12:39:30 PM # Q
I honestly see nothing wrong with using POS/Garnet for "low to midrange" devices and WM for high-end.

If I want bells'n whistles, I'll take my laptop.

I'd rather have a stable, FAST implementation of FrankenGarnet than a hacked-up mess like the LD was where Palm tries to make the rickety old OS do more than it's capable of.


Remember, the mythical 320*480 TX + T3 hybrid or the HVGA Treo (Pat's 800g) would be easily doable with off the shelf tech that's been used in numerous earlier Palm devices.

Coming up with solid OS 5.x devices is more of a question of Palm's beancounters + marketing department wanting to make the effort vs. any inherent technical limitation.

The TX didn't have a charge LED, a mic or a cradle because Palm wanted to save as much as possible on it. It wasn't because Garnet couldn't support those basic essentials.

The 700P doesn't have a larger 320*320 screen because Palm doesn't want to retool and have a slightly larger FF.


Surur's point is perfectly valid and reasonable. I'd even advocated it since the 700W rumors were in the works.

If I were Sprint I'd try to squeeze Palm to shoehorn the 700wx into the new GSM FF AND include the 64mb RAM! The reception on my 700P on Verizon is so much worse than my Moto V3c was before that it might as well have an internal antenna.

Surur et al:
Will both of the upcoming GSM Treos continue to use SD or is Palm going to mini-SD? Any word on SDHC compatability?


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