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palm pre plusSince the announcement last week at CES 2010, the chief question concerning Verizon's newly-announced Palm Pre Plus has been regarding its internal RAM capacity.

While it is widely known that the device will feature double onboard storage space at 16GB, whether or not the original Pre's 256MB RAM would also be upped remained uncertain until recently. PalmInfocenter can confirm that the Palm Pre Plus will indeed come equipped with double the operating memory at 512MB of RAM.

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How did PiC confirm this?

SeldomVisitor @ 1/14/2010 1:33:19 PM # Q
Did you contact Palm/Verizon directly?

Or did you accept an image from another media venue as proof?

RE: How did PiC confirm this?
Ryan @ 1/14/2010 1:39:15 PM # Q
I personally had a telephone briefing with Palm about the new devices, where the rep confirmed the 512MB RAM.

In addition, there is additional info coming out about it online as this article points out.

RE: How did PiC confirm this?
emomazing102 @ 1/14/2010 1:53:22 PM # Q
i plan on getting a pre plus are you saying that the whole data plan fee will be $30 a month?
RE: How did PiC confirm this?
hkklife @ 1/14/2010 4:12:33 PM # Q
$30 in addition to whatever your base voice + text plan is.

I think an "everything unlimited" VZW plan is basically $25 to $35 more per month over a comparably configured Sprint plan. The $99.99 Sprint plan has free navigation whereas Verizon charges $9.99 per month for it (huge bummer, especially seeing the free Google Nav on the Moto Droid).

Only Verizon's Pre has the beefed-up hardware & officially supports tethering. Pretty much a wash as far as I am concerned, one carrier has the superior network & hardware, the other had WebOS six months earlier and is a better value proposition.

I'm personally pissed that I couldn't have waited a few months longer for the Pre on Verizon, but when I got my Droid, the Pre was nothing more than a rumor on Verizon. If the Pre on Big Red is HUGELY IMPRESSIVE, I may yet still consider paying full price for one and dumping my Droid + 755p combo.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: How did PiC confirm this?
Gekko @ 1/14/2010 4:48:38 PM # Q
Verizon Wireless
PDA/Smartphone Nationwide Email & Messaging - Unlimited
$149.99 monthly access

* Unlimited calling with anyone on any network in the U.S.
* Unlimited Text, Picture, Video & Instant Messaging
* Data usage from within the National Enhanced Services and the Extended National Enhanced Services Rate and Coverage Areas
* Data Access for Email
* Unlimited Calling to all Verizon Wireless Customers
* Unlimited Night & Weekend Minutes
* No Domestic Long Distance Charges


i can't believe you hillbillies let verizon rape you like this every month.

RE: How did PiC confirm this?
LiveFaith @ 1/14/2010 4:59:52 PM # Q
Stop texting ... I think I hear banjo music.
Pat Horne
RE: How did PiC confirm this?
hkklife @ 1/14/2010 5:19:32 PM # Q
That there in't no banjo music, Pat, that's Paw squealin' lek a pig out back yonder. I'mma go join in da fun!

P.S. Gek, my plan is covered by my employer. I supply the hardware, they cover the expenses. If that situation were to ever change, I'd simply jump on a family plan with the ol' lady and be done with it. Or switch to another carrier. I don't look upon VZW with that much affection. I just tell it like it is, and regardless of price, they DO have the best network that I have seen in my experience. Plus, zillions of people I know personally & professionally are VZW users so I can talk to them mobile-to-mobile unlimited.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

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poorman @ 1/14/2010 1:56:19 PM # Q
FYI, my contact at Palm says it's an updated processor: OMAP 800mhz:

OMAP3440 - 800 MHz ARM Cortex A8 + PowerVR SGX 530 GPU + 430MHz C64x+ DSP + ISP (Image Signal Processor)

I hope that can run flash better.

RE: Processor
LiveFaith @ 1/14/2010 5:01:50 PM # Q
Woohoo if true. Also means that Palm has put 3 different "chipsets" in every US WebOS device. Well, depending on the Pixi+ spec.
Pat Horne
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I'm glad I waited!

imgreenlantern2 @ 1/14/2010 2:21:15 PM # Q
Long time Palm user here.

When the Palm Pre first came out on Sprint I said to myelf, "I wouldn't take the amazing Pre for FREE on the Sprint network. I'll just wait."

I am so glad that I did wait. Not only is it on my carrier (VZ), but the phone has been improved in almost every way. I have never been excited about a cell phone before, but I'll be first in line at VZ on the 25th of January. I'm just glad my Palm Treo 755p has held on for three years now. Quality phones from a quality company.

RE: I'm glad I waited!
Amroth @ 1/14/2010 2:42:14 PM # M Q
I could say the same thing! However, if you try to get in front of me at the NoVA Verizon Experience store... We're dookin'! :)
RE: I'm glad I waited!
surfmaniac @ 1/14/2010 2:44:51 PM # Q
At least five or six of my friends on VZW will be right behind you... they've been waiting VERY patiently, I would say.

Malibu Surfer

RE: I'm glad I waited!
hkklife @ 1/14/2010 4:14:58 PM # Q
@ Green Lantern:

Minor correction here: Sprint 755p was released in July '07. Verizon's 755p, after many delays, finally hit B2B sales in Dec '07 and arrived in-store in Jan '08. I got mine in April '08 IIRC. So your 755p is more like 2 years old, not 3 ;-)

I wouldn't call Palm or their phones "quality" but at least my 755p was certainly leagues better than my miserable VZW 700p experience.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: I'm glad I waited!
LiveFaith @ 1/14/2010 5:11:16 PM # Q

I must say this. After issues with 2 different Treo 650s and bluetooth, Cingular just upgraded me to a 680. That was exactly 3 years ago for me and this thing is still solid as a rock. Even the audio jack seems to have "corrected" itself. I've dropped this thing a thousand times and used it excessively since I got it.
My kid's call it the beast since they have colorful feature phones, but the thing works like day 1. Obviously, most of us have written volumes @ Palm's issues, but this Treo 680 has really blown me away in durability. Now if I just had an upgrade path.
Here's hoping for an ATT "Pre Multiply" with 32gb+1024ram+3.8"screen+1ghz+SDmicro all in that Claudia Schiffer blue. :-D
Pat Horne

RE: I'm glad I waited!
mikecane @ 1/14/2010 6:01:12 PM # Q
My god! Some actual PRO-Pre excitement on PIC? What's next? Cats & dogs living together?
RE: I'm glad I waited!
rpa @ 1/14/2010 9:45:56 PM # Q
My Centro started freezing again on incoming....I may look for a 680 online somewhere...
RE: I'm glad I waited!
DaSH @ 1/16/2010 4:53:52 PM # Q
I may not be standing in line on the 25th, but soon after - before February I plan to grab a Pre....I, too have been patiently waiting for Verizon to offer something to replace my beloved, yet quickly aging centro!
RE: I'm glad I waited!
Gekko @ 1/16/2010 5:34:25 PM # Q

be careful what you wish for.

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Verizon pricing

jmchamblis @ 1/15/2010 8:58:51 AM # Q
Verizon did just announce a price drop for it's unlimited voice, but I am confused by the data plan changes.

Cuts voice fees to $69.99 from $99.99

* New data fee $9.99/25 megabytes vs $19.99/75 megabytes

RE: Verizon pricing
hkklife @ 1/15/2010 12:56:42 PM # Q
All VZW smartphones (WinMob, WebOS, BlackBerry, Android) will require a mandatory $29.99 unlimited data plan. The $10 25MB is for dumbphones & "enhanced" feature phones (LG Chocolate Touch, Samsung Rogue, Motorola Entice, LG EnV series etc).

So you basically have $100/month for unlimited data & voice for all practical purposes on Verizon. Unlimited texting is a staggering and absolutely outrageous $20/month extra on top of that.

To cut to the chase for what PIC's audience cares about:

In essence, under the "new" terms, a Pre Plus on Verizon with unlimited everything will cost $130/month. A Pre on Sprint will cost $100/month for unlimited everything. That is an apples to apples comparison, with unlimited texting & VZW Navigator added to the Verizon monthly bill.

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: Verizon pricing
SeldomVisitor @ 1/15/2010 1:14:55 PM # Q
When they offer me two lines, unlimited everything, for the $70-ish I'm paying for essentially nothing on two lines, I might bite for a smartphone.

Til then I'll wait til I'm home before surfing.

RE: Verizon pricing
hkklife @ 1/15/2010 3:10:24 PM # Q

Centros are grandfathered devices and do not require mandatory data plans. At least that's how it is in VZW & AT&T. You could buy a cheap used or unlocked Centro and just use it as a PDA that happens to have a phone built-in. Or just get your carrier to put a data block on the line. That could at least have SOME idea what we're talking about here on PIC!

You'll find the Centro isn't too terribly different from that Palm IIIe you had a decade ago. ;-)

P.S. I doubt you'll ever see smartphone pricing sink THAT low. Voice minutes are going to eventually end up unlimited everywhere but the data will continue to remain pricey, especially as mobile devices become more capable and people do more and more data-intensive tasks on their devices.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: Verizon pricing
SeldomVisitor @ 1/15/2010 6:10:28 PM # Q
Actually, I sincerely believe "voice plans" are a dinosaur waiting for final extinction and "data plans" will be the only thing offered.


Simple pipes anyone?

VoIP rulz.

A not-so-brief chat with Randall Stephenson of AT&T
Gekko @ 1/18/2010 4:46:51 AM # Q

a must read -

A not-so-brief chat with Randall Stephenson of AT&T

Randall is like, Okay, I get your point. I'm like, You know what, I don't think you do, because if you did, we wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation, would we? I mean if you did understand how to do things, your guys wouldn't be standing up at Wall Street conferences and complaining about how much traffic you're getting. Instead, you would be running around like a ****ing maniac trying to build out your ****ing network and make it the best network in the world and the only reason you would ever need to talk to me would be to thank me for creating a phone that's so amazing that it draws people to your shit network in the first place.

Randall, baby. we've got a hit on our hands. We've got the smartphone equivalent of Meet the Beatles. It's not like that album was the first rock album ever. It's not like nobody ever made a band with some guitars and drums before. But it was radical. It was new. They took old forms and made them new. Same with us. We didn't invent the smartphone or the PDA or the music player or the Web browser. We just made them better. We made them new. We changed the ****ing world, Randall.

And when I say that "we" have a hit on our hands, I'm really giving you way too much credit, because let's be honest, the success of iPhone has nothing to do with you. In fact, iPhone is a smash hit in spite of your network, not because of it. That's how good we are here at Apple we're so good that even you and your team of Bell System frigtards can't stop us. You know what it's like being your business partner? It's like trying to swim the English Channel with a boat anchor tied to my legs. And yes, in case you're not following me, in that analogy, you, my friend, are the ****ing boat anchor.

So let's talk traffic. We've got people who love this goddamn phone so much that they're living on it. Yes, that's crushing your network. Yes, 3% of your users are taking up 40% of your bandwidth. You see this as a bad thing. It's not. It's a good thing. It's a blessing. It's an indication that people love what we're doing, which means you now have a reason to go out and double or triple or quadruple your damn network capacity. Jesus! I can't believe I'm explaining this to you. You're in the business of selling bandwidth. That pipe is what you sell. Right now what the market is telling you is that you can sell even more! Lots more! Good Lord. The world is changing, and you're right in the sweet spot.

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