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It's difficult to judge the success of new handhelds, especially as companies generally don't announce sales for individual models. However, there are some clues that models recently announced by Palm Inc. are selling well. On the list of Buy.com's Top 25 Best Selling Products, the i705 is first and the m515 is second. The m130 is a still respectable ninth, considering its competing against everything else the webstore sells. -mashby

Novell's new version of iFolder allows users to backup their Palm handheld onto a network drive. -Ed

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The masses have spoken

sandbuck @ 3/14/2002 10:18:01 AM #
Sorry guys, but all the ranting and raving on this board does not change the fact that people like the overall m515 package better than the CLIE.

RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 10:24:13 AM #
Buy.com doesn't sell sony clie's, so the palm would have to win. More importantly the palm is winning hands down compared to Pocket PC.

RE: The masses have NOT spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 10:24:20 AM #
Sorry, but you are absolutely wrong in this example.

First, the "Buy.com top 25" is in no way an accurate or scientific measurement of consumer sentiment...BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANT...

Buy.com doesn't even sell ANY of the Sony Clie models!! So there is no way for them to get on that list!! Go to Buy.com, to the PDA section, and click the link to list all models. You will find Palm, Casio, Compaq, HP, NEC, and Sharp...no Sony models at all. If you search the Buy.com site for "clie", the only products available are screen protectors and the thumbboard...no PDA's.

Nice try...

"It is better to remain silent and appear ignorant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

RE: The masses have spoken
AzureGuy @ 3/14/2002 10:27:00 AM #
I say, let's band together my brothers, It doesn't matter if your CLIE or Palm! (I like that one, I came up with it ALL BY MYSELF LOL) All that matters is that Palm Powered Whoops PocketPC to next year!

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PALM POWERED!!!
No more fighting
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 10:31:57 AM #
I agree, there has been way to much infighting. It doesn't matter if your handheld is made by Sony, Handspring, Palm, Samsung, whatever, as long as it runs the Palm OS, it's great in my book.

RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 10:40:11 AM #
> Sorry guys, but all the ranting and raving on this board does not change the fact that people like the overall m515 package better than the CLIE.

***

Obviously, the only thing you should feel sorry about is that you failed CRITICAL THINKING in school. It really makes you look stupid.

Palm Wins, Sony/PPC Loses
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 11:58:11 AM #
These numbers clearly show that all you sony well-wishers should keep on wishing....Palm IS KING.

RE: Palm Wins, Sony/PPC Loses
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 12:04:43 PM #
It's important to read other people's comments before posting your own. You'd see that Buy.com doesn't sell Sonys.

But you are right about PPC.

RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 12:07:14 PM #
Did anyone else notice that the iPaq 3850 got *both* 14th and 15th place?!

Lack of Critical Thinking
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 12:38:29 PM #
I continue to be amazed by the lack of critical thinking and common sense by people who think they're technologically savvy.

The original poster's argument (if you can call it that) is so full of holes you can drive a dump truck through it...

Did it ever occur to the original poster that Buy.com makes up this list to move merchandise? Did it ever occur that Buy doesn't sell Clies? Did it ever occur to the poster that this "list" isn't even statistically significant? I could go on and on?

There are enough people that don't believe in evolution and that the sun revolves around the earth because experts and holy books say so. I expect better from the posters to this board, but I guess my expectations were too high. School ain't what it used to be.

It's time to think and think critically.

RE: Lack of Critical Thinking
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 12:45:44 PM #
Guess those words are a little too harsh, since they already looked like an idiot there's no point to embarrass them even more, let the poor kids go home.

Anyway I wonder why did ed post this at all, since the sales figure of buy.com really doesnt mean anything, it's not like it's the industry standard, but one must agree that Palm is still doing pretty well by just feeding off it's brand regonition.

RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 12:51:41 PM #
<< I agree, there has been way to much infighting. It doesn't matter if your handheld is made by Sony, Handspring, Palm, Samsung, whatever, as long as it runs the Palm OS, it's great in my book. >>

I agree completely. Unfortunately, it seems that people are so obsessed with the idea of "my PDA is better" that they can't look past this. Sony users appear to insist that because Sony's offerings are more feature rich, etc., that this somehow means Palm's offerings are bad. The truth is, Sony's are better, but Palms are still good.

On the other side, Palm users are unwilling to admit that their PDA is simply not as good as the Sonys. As a result, they look for ways to "tear" the Sonys down--buttons, stylus, "washed-out reds," etc.

It'd be nice if we could all admit that there are a variety of machines out there, with a variety of features, and as long as they have the PalmOS, then they're good devices.

RE: The masses have spoken
sandbuck @ 3/14/2002 12:58:21 PM #
Hmm.. looks like Buy.com doesn't sell CLIES..

RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 1:03:11 PM #
<< Sorry guys, but all the ranting and raving on this board does not change the fact that people like the overall m515 package better than the CLIE. >>

Here's a rational, flame-retardant response to this. Because Buy.com doesn't sell Clies, you can't conclude that people like the Palm BETTER than the Clie. What you SHOULD have said is this:

"Sorry guys, but all the ranting and raving on this board does not change the fact that people still like the overall m515 package." You could also point out that even though Buy.com doesn't sell Clies, it's not the ONLY source of PDAs on the internet. People who seek Clies can go elsewhere, but they don't--they go to Buy.com and purchase a Palm m515 more often than any other PDA right now. This, at least, shows that the m515 is very popular.

RE: The masses have spoken
sandbuck @ 3/14/2002 1:11:44 PM #
If I took myself the least bit seriously, this would be WAY embarrasing. :-)

RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 1:52:16 PM #
I don't want to join the arguement.

But when I passed HK earlier this year, Clies
are the hot Palms there. I think
Sony probably have more than half the Palm market share
there now.


ted

RE: The masses have spoken
eboychik @ 3/14/2002 2:19:06 PM #
For a more accurate assessment, you might want look at the Top 10 List on PDABuzz.com, where you need to write a little essay for your vote to be included in their ratings. The M515 and the 705 aren't even in the Top 10. There are two Palms and 3 Clies.

RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 2:46:12 PM #
You are saying that the requirement to write a short paragraph is a more significant statement of preference than actually buying a handheld? That's how people "vote" on Buy.com.

Anyway, the majority of readers at PDABuzz are PPC users. You only have to read over the comments to get that. It's like going to a Young Republicans meeting and asking whether people prefered George Bush or Al Gore.

Fake Information!!
achen @ 3/14/2002 2:51:53 PM #
How long have Palm i705 / m515 came out to the market? How much is the unit? How many people can afford this?

How could it possible that they being sold more than some other products which exist in the market for 6 month?

Can you believe that a notebook costs $1994 stays in the FOURTH PLACE, another one costs $2629 stays in the SIXTH PLACE on the list?

I can see this list is absolutely not true by browse the first 10 of them, I am not even interested to move to the next page to see the rest of the list.

I don't have to "doubt" it, I totally DO NOT BELIEVE IN THIS because this list is waaaaaaaaay tooooooooooo fake !



RE: The masses have spoken
ssussmann @ 3/14/2002 4:21:10 PM #
"You are saying that the requirement to write a short paragraph is a more significant statement of preference than actually buying a handheld? That's how people "vote" on Buy.com.
Anyway, the majority of readers at PDABuzz are PPC users. You only have to read over the comments to get that. It's like going to a Young Republicans meeting and asking whether people prefered George Bush or Al Gore."

Wow - two specious analogies in one post.

First, how do you "vote" for the Clie on Buy.com when it's not even on the ballot? The point of writing a critique, as you must on PDABuzz.com is that you can't stuff the ballot box.

Second, if in fact the "majority of readers" (and you took that survey WHEN?) are PPC users, it says something that PPC users picked 6 Palm OS devices in their Top 10 (3 Sony, 2 Palm, 1 HandEra). So I guess what that means, to use your Young Republicans metaphor is that 60% of the Young Republicans prefer Al Gore to George Bush.

By the way, looking at today's PDABuzz homepage, under Headlines, there are 5 Palm stories and 1 PPC. Under news stories there are 2 palm stories and 0 PPC stories. And in their discussion groups, there are 68K palm posts and 56K PPC posts. So I don't see how you can claim a PPC slant to that website.


RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 4:29:46 PM #
The majority of the Sony / Palm infighting on this board is done by Sony and Palm employees and stock holders.

Sony's PR team has always been ruthless and ready to gin up a fake groundswell any way they can. Posting to message boards is one way to do that. Anybody remember the movie critic that their PR department MADE UP to give their movies better reviews.

Palm stock holders have seen their stock fall from 65 to 3 dollars in one year. This has caused the loyal shareholders and employees to want to make sure that their handhelds sell well, so they brutally defend Palm's products on this board.

The rest of the people fighting about Sony vs Palm are trying to validate their purchase of a $400 device.

Personally I am sick of it, this subject line had NOTHING to do with sony, yet most of the freaking posts are about it. The message boards on this site have become a broken record. Sony rules, no Palm, no Sony, no Palm.... ARGH!!!!

RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 4:51:06 PM #
If Buy.com list is a poor representation the Amazon.com is likely a better representation. Palm seems to outsell Sony at Amazon...

I own several Palm's and two Sony CLIEs... and I like both of their products for different reasons. The high resolution screen on the CLIE T615 is my favourite reason. The more asthetic form factor of the m505/515 and the smaller size of the expansion memory is my reason for liking the Palm. It's just a matter of taste.

RE: Fake Information!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 6:10:17 PM #
I can't agree any more!

See what buy.com had done.. just try to gain sale?

Shame on them!

They better take it out or provide more evidence to convince us.

RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 7:06:10 PM #
"But when I passed HK earlier this year, Clies
are the hot Palms there."

Yeah alot of kids buy Clie there, specially N7xx becasue of the mp3 player and high res screen, it's actually quite a good deal, And most adults there don't even believe palm could do anything useful. So basically Sony is gaining alot of ground (for palm) in most part of asia.

RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 11:15:41 PM #
How can anyone on this board believe the pro-Sony posters are not employees of Sony? Sony has just been caught red-handed putting out fake positive reviews of films their company produces. I am sure there are plenty of real Clie owners who love their PDAs, but how can the rest of us believe they are not just paid stooges? Some Palm supporters might also be employees but at least they haven't been convicted in court of lying to the public.

Just goes to show that don't believe everything you read here (except from the Editor, of course). Go out and look at the products and try them for yourself.

Jack

RE: The masses have spoken, I'm disappointed
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 11:24:02 PM #
I'm disappointed with my m515. Yes it is brighter, but the edges are shadowed and dark. I took my unit to Best Buy and compared it with 2 others and they are the same. I notified Palm of my disappointment and asked why? This unit is NO quantium leap, in fact had I not already sold my m505, I would have shipped the m515 back and waited to see what Palm has next in line to release. I can assure you, if I didn't have all of the extra goodies (keyboard, extra cradle and ALL THAT SOFTWARE) I would be buying a Compaq Ipaq Pocket PC.


RE: The masses have spoken
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 12:03:52 AM #
"How can anyone on this board believe the pro-Sony posters are not employees of Sony?"

So I guess you are a Palm employee too then.

A quote from the news about fake reviews:

"Other studios and their subsidiaries named include Sony, Lions Gate Films, DreamWorks, Vivendi Universal, Artisan Entertainment and Viacom.

The California Civil Code and the Federal Trade Commission set down laws saying advertisements should be truthful."

1) There are alot of company that's doing this, I am not saying it right to do it, but it would be unfare for other people if they don't do it while others are doing it.

2) "advertisements should be truthful" I wonder which company just got accused for misleading advertisement, is it parm, plam or something like that.

3) Sony is a huge company they got movie department, music department consumer electronics department, chemical department, the list goes on and on, so is that Sony Movie US Division Made a lie about their movie so we should assume that their chemical, electronics, music are all built upon lie ?

Get a life

Re: The Masses Have Spoken
PIC mobile user @ 3/17/2002 6:33:19 PM #
...of course, you can always tell the Sony employees by their willingness to rally to the defense of their beloved company as well as their...ah...unique grammar. Hey, sing us the company song, salaryman. Anata no eego ga iijanai da, ne?

Amazon.com

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 10:36:31 AM #
Both the m515 and m130 are in the top 40 at Amazon.com. Currently, the m515 is 12th and the m130 33rd. They were higher last week when they were both on sale. They also include a free 16meg SD Card. It was a great deal. The T615 is 57th and 101st (for the two colors).

RE: Amazon.com
nategall @ 3/14/2002 10:49:20 AM #
Amazon Top Handhelds
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V5182288

1. Palm M515
2. Compaq IPAQ 3765
3. Palm M100
4. Sony PEG-T615CL
5. Compaq iPAQ 3835
6. Palm M130
7. Targus Stowaway Keyboard
8. HP Jornada 720
9. HP Jornada 568
10.Palm Vx
11.Palm M505
12.Palm i705
etc.
24.Palm IIIc

but, without qualifing information, this isn't that useful.


nategall says "blah!"

RE: Amazon.com
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 11:24:15 AM #
The Staples 32mb sd card is a better deal. If somebody threw in a case, the package would be complete.

RE: Amazon.com
jpfeiffer @ 3/14/2002 3:20:31 PM #
Ahhh...apples to apples.


RE: Palm Wins, Sony/PPC Loses
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 12:04:00 PM #
Sorry Sony didn't even make the top 10 thousand, you know why ??

Do you notice that buy.com don't even sell Clie !?

it's just stupid to declare someone won while the other's not even in the game.

I have 3 products on the topsellers.

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 2:41:50 PM #

=) Go RIOVOLT!!!

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