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Palm's lead in Europe is increasing. During the two months before that, Palm-branded handhelds had 37.6% of the market. This is also an increase of 1.6 points over the same period a year ago.
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RE: Queen of De Nile
RE: PocketPC Trolls anyone?
RE: PocketPC Trolls anyone?
Apparently, lots of people don't agree with you. But then, you probably base your assessments simply on the tech spec superiority of the Sonys and ignore other elements considered by consumers. All those Europeans are presumably more focused on other aspects of the "buying equation."
You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, and to your narrow focus. But it is a bit insulting to suggest that "Europe doesn't realize it" simply because they don't agree with your narrow-minded assessment.
RE: Is Sony better? Mmmm....
I dunno my friend. As a Sony owner (S320)I'm starting to wonder. Low market share. And now, what...down to three models to choose from? I'd like to upgrade to a color model that won't make me suicidal if I drop it on the factory floor. What can Sony do for me? Nada.
I'll wait a couple more months to see if Sony wants my business or just the business of those who want a mp3 player that takes lousy pictures and keeps phone numbers. If not, I'll rejoin our Palm-owning friends here on PIC. Afterall, the numbers are on their side.
RE: PocketPC Trolls anyone?
I'll wait a couple more months to see if Sony wants my business or just the business of those who want a mp3 player that takes lousy pictures and keeps phone numbers. If not, I'll rejoin our Palm-owning friends here on PIC. Afterall, the numbers are on their side."
He's got a good point
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I am lost. But I am going to find myself. So if I return before I get back, please ask me to wait.
RE: PocketPC Trolls anyone?
RE: PocketPC Trolls anyone?
Few Sony models available, usually months after international introduction or even longer.
Prices sky high.
No periphs.
Over here, Palm competes with Compaq.
Cheers,
Jan
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RE: I'm not dead yet!
RE: I'm not dead yet!
-- Monty Python (the next line in that scene)
Hmmmm
Cheers,
Jan
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So why Palm Stocks are going down????
steady growth in handheld market, Sony's strong commitment to Palm OS, Palm's dominance in Euro market etc...
Why then Palm stocks are going downward? If all these reports are true, Palm stocks should worth
at least $20 per share.
RE: So why Palm Stocks are going down????
RE: So why Palm Stocks are going down????
Right now fear rules.
It isn't
RE: So why Palm Stocks are going down????
RE: So why Palm Stocks are going down????
RE: So why Palm Stocks are going down????
Condiser Palm's Market Cap
Palm's best perfomance was its fiscal year ending June 2000 when it generated around $45 million net income. Even picking a very high number, say 10x the performance of that best year, would bring annual net income to only $450 million. If you use a realistic P/E (~30) that gives you a stock price of around $24 or a market capitalization of $13.5 billion.
I'm aware that Palm was at an altime high of around $100/share after the day of its IPO, but those days of atronomical P/E ratios are over.
It is possible that market hype about exploiding numbers of PDAs/smartphones all using PalmOS could creat a ferver for Palm's stock, but its tough to justify a price over $24...at least until it looks as if Palm can do 10x better than it did in 2000.
RE: So why Palm Stocks are going down????
I hope the Palm price goes up. However, I'd prefer to see its earnings increase to more reasonable levels first, so that its stockholders are not disappointed.
RE: So why Palm Stocks are going down????
IMPOSSIBLE
;)
It's a little bit like a Bond movie (or every Hollywood movie for the low profiles):
the bad guy think he killed Bond but the first thing he knows...
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.
Dr. Strangelove
RE: IMPOSSIBLE
You do realize the global handheld market grow 17% in 2001 do you? so obviously somebody else get the rest of the growth.
RE: IMPOSSIBLE
(read this in the voice one uses with a not very intelligent 5-year-old)
You have misunderstood. While the size of the total market has increased, Palm's share of that entire market has increased, too, by 1.6%. So more handhelds than ever are being sold and more of those than ever are Palm-branded.
Palm's competitors aren't gaining. They are losing ground. Not that they ever had a very big share to begin with.
RE: IMPOSSIBLE
hint: december throught january, 1.6 pts [compared] over 'a year ago'
to get what you assert, at least palm need to increase the two months sale around 17% area compare to last year just to keep up with overall global growth pattern.
oh well.
Now for next questions:
-is the country breakdown indicating growth for each or just netherland? where are the comparative data between the two years.
-is the percentage indicating unit sold or revenue? If it is unit sold, than Palm is VERY toast, since that mean people increased spending that much more money on non Palm items. If it is revenue (Somewhat better in term of market share but lousy financially, selling more for less money)
RE: IMPOSSIBLE
Palm's sheare of the entire market increased by 1.6%. If the entire market increased, then Palm's share increased 1.6 percent more than anyone else's.
Let's do it as a math problem.
Say in 2000, there were 1,000 handhelds sold. Palm's share of that was 40.4%. (That's 42% - 1.6%) So Palm sold 404 handhelds.
In 2001, the number of handhelds sold went up 18%, so there were 1,180 sold. Palm's share this year was 42%, so it sold 495 handhelds.
Can you see now? The number of handhelds sold went up, Palm's share of the total went up, and so the number of Palm's sold went up even faster.
RE: IMPOSSIBLE
It is SHARE that is talked about. Let me illustrate.
Pie has 4 slices, if I eat one that is a 25 percent share of the pie.
Now if I get another pie that is TWICE as large, has 4 slices and I eat one, my "share" of this pie is exactly the same, 25 percent, but since the pie is larger my slice is twice a large as the one from the smaller pie.
If the WW figures for growth in PDAs hold true for europe this would mean Palm grew by more than 17 percent overall
Do you get it now?
RE: IMPOSSIBLE
(Oh there I go, I just couldnt restain myself from bashing him.)
I'm sorry. Dont run away little troll, come back. PLEASE COME BAAAACK.
RE: IMPOSSIBLE
read the original press release, 1,6% increase in ratio (market share), not "unit sold" in the month of Dec.-Jan. compare to last year.
so we are talking probably around 40-60K unit. Hey good for palm.
RE: IMPOSSIBLE
Scaring off little trollies only because it uses a Microsoft technique to compute market share?
Tsk tsk tsk, you ought to know that ppc share always increases and others always go down, don't you?
hehe
Cheers,
Jan
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RE: IMPOSSIBLE
No, that's the percentage of the total for each country. So in Germany, 49% of all handhelds sold were made by Palm.
RE: IMPOSSIBLE
I have a question...
RE: I have a question...
RE: I have a question...
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Lie is the future.
RE: I have a question...
RE: I have a question...
Just kidding.....
RE: I have a question...
This is fact, make what you want of it.
For example before PPC even made ANY inroads on Palm they PROJECTED MS would overtake Palm, which fyi was sopposed to have happened by now. When PPC made SMALL gains on Palm, Palm was doomed, but at least they pushed back the time of the projected PPC lead. There was no data ever to support their biased claims.
The difference is that this DATA is not some wishful projection. It doesnt even make any conclusions. It could have stated, "PPC will never catch Palms insurmountable lead." It does no such thing. Gartner OTOH always tries to project Palms demise.
Tell me WHERE HAS GARTNER BEEN HIDING LATELY!!!!
They LOVE to report on PDA sales right?
Wanna bet as long as Palms share grows we will see NO PDA news from Gartner.
What do I expect from an UNBIASED report?
1.Just the facts, no projections
2. Reports that give those facts NO MATTER WHO is gaining share.
3.
IDC forecast
RE: I have a question...
These new positive Palm numbers will NEVER be revealed by Gartner. Yet they ARE a research firm they must have the data. Wait till PPC gets a bump and Gartner will be all over it.
European availability of Sony devices
RE: European availability of Sony devices
International translations are part of the deal if your market is the globe itself, not an excuse for being late.
For most countries in Europe - including the Netherlands - there is no local version, because apparently not enough potential buyers speak the language. Scandinavian countries for example, or the Balkan countries.
If this release policy by Sony is true - Japan first, US second and Europe last - then I do not understand Sony's product release policy.
They release products at a speed noone can match. By the time it hits Europe, the next generation is already there! And the prices!
If you want to compete with Palm, make sure you get there at the same time or earlier at a competitive price. Not the other way around. I am not surprised at all to see Sony selling so little in Europe.
Sony-ista's flamed Palm about the supposedly inferior m505 compared to the 625. Not so in Europe. It was released at about the same time as the m515. The 625 served as a testbed for Palm, effectively.
Cheers,
Jan
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