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Austrian film director David Ruhm has won the bronze Clio award award for his latest film production "Nur Tiere Tragen Pelz" ("Only Animals Wear Fur"). He credits some of his success to iambic’s Action Names Datebook, which he has been using for years to schedule and coordinate filming and production, manage his demanding appointment schedule, and handle the multiple tasks that can plague a filmmaker so high in demand.
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this just in

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 10:20:18 AM #
advertorials!
RE: this just in
IanJD @ 5/25/2002 10:21:43 AM #
Light news day.

RE: this just in
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 10:44:50 AM #
Big Whoopdeedoo.

I'm so famous that I wish to remain anonymous.

I use Datebk5. Why doesn't PIC do an interview on me?

RE: this just in
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 12:44:55 PM #
In fact, the more I think about it Ed, this story is just pathetic. You do an excellent job and I have no idea why you thought this was worth a whole article - perhaps feeling guilty about all the negative Iambic coverage generated here (well, you shouldn't feel guilty! consensus on PIC generated coverage, not you, a testament to why PIC is so great)?

Please remove this news story. Because it is *not* news.

RE: this just in
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 10:32:27 PM #
What kind of BS story is this????

This is an effort to restore Iambic credability and it reeks of endorsement.

I thought you were better than this Ed.

Im off to PDABuzz.

RE: this just in
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 8:01:32 AM #
My god! Why are you all so intolerant and frustrated. Full of hate, my god it's only a Palm not a religion, weapon, political party, ...
RE: this just in
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 10:05:46 AM #
I would dislike this article no matter what had happened recently with Iambic. It's an advertisement, not an article, and makes it look like PIC is just kissing up to Iambic. No self-respecting newspaper would have posted an article like this one.
RE: this just in
jjsoh @ 5/28/2002 10:27:54 AM #
: My god! Why are you all so intolerant and frustrated.
: Full of hate, my god it's only a Palm not a religion,
: weapon, political party, ...

Hmm. You're new here, aren't you? :)



Jim

RE: this just in
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2002 10:40:17 PM #
You guy's conspiracy theories are always fun but I can sum up the purpose for this article in three words: slow news day. It was the Sunday before Memorial Day after all.

I don't think so...

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 10:43:41 AM #
First, the Clio awards are given for advertising, not film.

Second, if you search at the Clio Award website, this guy isn't listed anywhere. (http://www.clioawards.com/html/main.isx)

Perhaps this is simply further evidence of Iambic's intellectually challenged marketing program...

RE: I don't think so...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 10:47:58 AM #
I'd also mention that there are several hundred Clios given out a year, so even if he somehow did win one, this is pretty lame news.
RE: I don't think so...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 11:29:18 AM #
David Ruhm doesn't show up in IMDB. However, there's a directory named David Ruhm who's listed on the Cannes web site for having entered two films in 1991 and 1992, and another film BANKROLL made it to the festivals in 1996. Wasn't able to find any work he's done after that.

Very strange way to advertise Action Names. But, maybe Ruhm is the right choice as a spokesmodel. Given that he's been reduced to doing commercials, I bet desperate searches through his contact list are very important to him. :-)

"Just the facts, ma'am."

RE: I don't think so...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 11:33:32 AM #
If you follow the link on the page, you'll see a page in German, but which indicates that he did win a CLIO for advertising.
However, I think this hardly classifies as news. Ed, what happened here? Feeling bad about all of the dakebk5.com garbage? This should never have made the front page....

RE: I don't think so...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 12:33:34 PM #
That German page may well claim he won a Clio. I could also put up a page advertising my Pulitzers for commentary on PIC but what would that convince you of?
I contradict the mainstream
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 2:16:51 PM #
The comment that the gentleman David Ruehm is not listed as a CLIO winner 2002 can be easily proven as wrong:

I made a search as well - the result:

Year: 2002
Award: Bronze
Entry Type: Television/Cinema
Category: Campaign
Advertiser/Product/Service: Oesterreichischer Tierschutzverein
Title: Unabashed
Title: Restaurant
Title: Shopping
Advertising Agency: TBWA, Berlin
Production Company: Mican Film, Vienna
Music Company: Soundtrack
Creative Director: Christoph Klingler
Copywriter: Helge Bloeck, Christoph Klingler
Producer: Ernst Mican
Director: David Ruehm

Contrary to the mainstream - find the story very interesting and the movies very funny indeed.
The Palm idea can only benefit from that. On the other hand PIC is loosing non-posting visitors 8they leave in disgust) if the ongoing brainless iambic beating shall continue.

So please see the story calm as what it is, as a good free advertisement of the international Palm idea – and appreciate the fact that another stone proves the competence of Palms in the industry

My two sober cents

RE: I don't think so...
cykalan @ 5/25/2002 2:33:39 PM #
well....apparently that's a typo for the name......
Ed typed "David Ruhm" instead of "David Ruehm".....
so everything in this thread is just a misuderstanding................

Alan
----
Read your manuals before you ask!!
RE: I don't think so...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2002 6:36:40 PM #
Hi all. Quite funny, how many comments were posted to the plain iambic news on action names & the clio award. Let me first straight some things out: I am really using Action Names (although the Clio award is due to the quality of our commercial and not to any whatsoever program I use). Action Names is just a helpful program for me, as DateBK 5 might be for other users. If anybody wants to check if I really got the award, search under 'David Ruehm' since my name is actually written with an umlaut (Rühm) -) Cheers, David

iambic Again

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 10:54:05 AM #
This had to be generated by iambic.
RE: iambic Again
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 12:23:03 PM #
LOL ... LOL ... LOL ... LOL

Mr. Ruhm said, "My success is partially due to iambic’s Action Names Datebook, which is truly the best contact manager and organizer I have ever used. I have been using the program to plan my films, coordinate castings worldwide, schedule meetings with studios and investors, and, of course, to keep my contacts up-to-date and easily available wherever I go. For a film director with such an intense schedule, using Action Names Datebook is like having a personal assistant at my side, any time of day."

LMAO ... I just cant' stop laughing at how stoopid this sounds. It sounds like such a fake testimonial ... from someone who no one has ever heard of. So what he uses AN????? SO WHAT??? Give me a break!!!! This is just free advertising for Iambic for a 'news' item that's not even worthy.

RE: iambic Again
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 12:26:57 PM #
"My success is partially due to iambic’s Action Names Datebook, which is truly the best contact manager and organizer I have ever used."

So he is a world authority on which is the best schedule organiser now? It's just one man's experience - out of hundreds of thousands out there. It would be interesting if he was an expert software tester whose tested each Palm app in depth or he was someone of significance but WHO CARES WHAT HE THINKS and how are we to know whether his views are based on experiencing each datebook app? P.S. I use AN myself.

Palmtop-Pro answers
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 2:32:35 PM #
In fact David Rühm has tested software for our magazine on a regular basis and is renown as a seasoned expert in utility software and money programs.

We have indeed proudly published in nearly every Palmtop-Pro magazine in the last years articles from David.

David is rated as a very competent expert here in Europe on professional Palm and Psion software – besides having completed a bulkload of extremely successful films for cinemas in Europe.

Besides doing commercials for non profit organisations as like in that very case for the protection of wild animals.
He donated his work as in many other cases related to wildlife and humanistic projects absolutely for free – we know, he even sponsored these efforts financially.

So he is geared with his ideology in the same direction as the makers of Datebook 4&5– to protect wildlife.

I do not see anything wrong with this.

And I duly hope the majority of silent readers do as well.

Boris Michael Luhovoy
publishing editor
Palmtop-Pro magazine

RE: iambic Again
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 3:06:36 PM #
Blah blah blah ... so what? I still don't care what he thinks.

If I cared what he thinks I would read your magazine or read his articles if he was an official PIC reviewer.

This story is not only a stupid advertisement for Iambic, but it also seems a vehicle of publicity for your publication.

Don't get me wrong, I admire and respect what you do, but I really couldn't care less what a 'bronze' winning film maker without an international reputation does with his Palm. Everyone knows AN is a great app - I use it every day in a business that is 10 times bigger in terms of scale and revenue than what a small film director is involved in.

However, the problem is that this news story is just one big useless advertisement for your magazine and Iambic. It doesn't tell us anything new, it's not funny, it's not critical, it's just nothing. It's just some guy's opinion (if it was a review, it would be different). This item should be a comment in a thread, not an article on PIC.

Yes, much of PIC stories are just recycled press releases which are in themselves advertisements, but at least they inform us about new developments and as such they are 'news'.

There is absolutely no way anyone can justify this as a news story worthy of an entire article (praising AN in such a shameless way). There is more to this than we are being told and shame on PIC's editors for dropping their usually exceptionally high standards.


RE: iambic Again
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 3:16:15 PM #
You wrote:
-This story is not only a stupid advertisement for Iambic, but it also seems a vehicle of publicity for your publication.-

No it is not. And here is the prove:

Our magazine is in German only - now how many of you are fluent enough in German language to follow a highly technical dedicated magazine?

Now - I consider that point as clarified.

You see - we do not win anything commercially - we are just proud having such an indeed international figure on board- by the way David worked in the Hollywood studios for a few years.

And the three movies we show on our page are very funny indeed.
So – what’s wrong with having a little fun?

We simply want to get the Palm idea around – even in cases we do not profit.

Excuse my humble English - it’s not my mother-tounge – and I would not be fluent enough to follow a highly technical magazine in english.

Just get over it and have fun (also with Palm) instead of dark ideas!

BvL.

RE: iambic Again
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 3:37:39 PM #
Again, so what???

None of your arguments are valid. What is at issue here is that he is blatantly endorsing Action Names and he is being quoted so significantly.

Face facts: he may be a big Hollywood director in your eyes, because he's from your region, but the rest of the world (and most of Hollywood) has never heard of him.

I wouldn't have a problem with this story if it was just a link to the films on your site in gMovie format or TealMovie etc. - that would be 'fun', interesting, cool and newsworthy. Even then, it should only be a two sentence item in a news-round up.

However, the story has unecessary advertising for Action Names. The story should be deleted as it is just embarassing.

Shut Up!!
Wollombi @ 5/25/2002 3:42:02 PM #
First you bag on Iambic (ok, some of that was deserved, but it is long past time to drop the subject). Now you bag on Ed because you don't like an article (read some of the posts above) or consider it "news". I wasn't aware that a story needed to be sensational to be newsworthy. People like you all are why news programs only cover scandals these days. Sensationalism. Bah!

Now you're even bagging on Palm Pro Mag. for using some guy's opinion you don't even know, for stating what he personally thinks of a piece of software. Using your logic, Palm TipSheet is merely a long propaganda rag! I don't think so.

It seems nothing will please you, that you will always find something to complain about or criticize. Criticism is beneficial when done constructively, but I see no constructive suggestions here, only diatribe.

What's the matter, didn't your mommy ever teach you? If you don't have positive input, don't give input (also quoted by mothers the world over as "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anyting at all").

Do the rest of us a favor and SHUT UP! Your constant whining is giving us headaches and making us ill.

_________________
Sean

It is not very comfortable to have the gift of being amused at one's own absurdity.
-Somerset Maugham-

Boris - I thought you vowed to never post here again
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 3:43:03 PM #
in protest a few months ago. What happened?
RE: iambic Again
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 3:44:42 PM #
-Face facts: he may be a big Hollywood director in your eyes, because he's from your region, but the rest of the world (and most of Hollywood) has never heard of him.-

Even if this would be true - I state i'ts not good manners to rate people qualitys on basis if they come from certain areas of the world or belong to certain groups. I do not want to elaborate further.

And my friend - the world is a lot bigger as your comparable tiny home known map.

Have a look at a good globe...

BvL

I sign off for good - there's all said

RE: iambic Again
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 7:28:10 PM #
I disapprove of this story with Kellog's Brand Disapproval. Kellog's Brand Disapproval has garnered me top accolades among those rating anonymous disapprovals. Yes, that's Kellog Brand Disapproval.
RE: iambic Again
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 4:31:18 AM #
"ok, some of that was deserved, but it is long past time to drop the subject"

Uh... no.

Iambic's stupid arrogant mistake just happened, and it is nowhere NEAR time to forgive and forget.

RE: iambic Again
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 9:08:49 AM #
How much retaliation will fit you - nailing on a cross, going nuke?
What personal loss have you encurred to be so full of hate?

Despirate Times, Despirate Measures

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 11:20:27 AM #
So what, now if Bill Gates used Action Names then that might be a bit more newsworthy, oh yeah, I think Michael Jordan uses only brand name Kleenex when he sneezes, give me a break Iambic. (and before you flame me, yes "despirate" might be misssssspelled.)
RE: Despirate Times, Despirate Measures
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 12:21:25 PM #
Maybe we mistyped the URL to PIC and went to a mis-spelt URL registered by Iambic ... who copied PIC's design ...

or ... maybe Iambic hacked PIC and messed with the news feeds!

RE: Despirate Times, Despirate Measures
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 12:32:12 PM #
LOL!!!

Ed: is it April Fool's Day?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 12:14:55 PM #
This has to be the, sorry to say it, dumbest news article I've ever seen on PIC. It shouldn't even merit a two sentence news round up item let alone a whole article.

The guy is a non-figure in the global sense (and PIC has a global audience) - perhaps famous within the indie film community in Austria. So what he uses Action Names? LMAO. I bet not even Austrian readers would be interested in reading that. It's not interesting. It's not significant. It's not in any way a 'cool to know' news item. It's not even funny.

This is probably the easiest advertising spot Iambic will ever get. I bet they're laughing their asses off too.

I know it's a slow news day, but this is just ridiculous.

RE: Ed: is it April Fool's Day?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 11:05:50 PM #
I agree: what a totally absurd and manipulative piece of propaganda put out by a company that is trying to exterminate Gorillas and gain supremacy in the PIM Palm market at all costs: vultures and predators at the same time. Iambic sucks!
Just my $0.02.
RE: Ed: is it April Fool's Day?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 2:03:17 AM #
Completely my opinion, boring article.
Actually I am from Austria, and I have never heard anything from this guy...
I did not know that advertising is now possible on PIC.

RE: Ed: is it April Fool's Day?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 3:28:03 AM #
This means nothing – most of our fellow Austrian citizen don’t know the name of our "Gesundheitsminister" or president of Austria either.

But you often see a film directed from someone not knowing who really made it.
For example the newest t-mobile spot (biggest mobile and internet provider in Europe) running in all TV stations all over Europe from Spain to Austria this week (the one with soundless b/w episodes) was for example directed by Ruehm – did you know that?

To question now the competence of Mr. Ruehm in filming industy (as a scapegoat to have a lame argument to hurt iambic) is as silly as cheap.

RE: Ed: is it April Fool's Day?
swinginjonny @ 5/28/2002 12:39:36 PM #
I agree that while I personally think the article is lame, all of these arguments are worse. Just because one person has never heard of someone does not mean they aren't influential in their field, bagging on the guy doesn't make anyone look more grown-up than the Iambic people they're flaming, and if the article doesn't interest you, do what I did--don't read it! I only read the article after my boss couldn't stop laughing at all the moronic posts after it. (Who knows, maybe Ed knows what kinds of responses he'll get and posts articles like that for the entertainment of those who read PIC! Way to go, Ed!)

(Self-confessed Palm Geek)

Weak ethics must be a contagious disease

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 1:17:03 PM #
Like how iambic's behaviour lowered their ethical merit in the eyes of many, many customers and potential customers, this article might do the same (albeit on a smaller scale) for PIC. The content and wording of this article smacks of marketeeze and brings into question whether PIC was paid for this gruesome piece of drivel. For me, this calls into question past and future PIC news clips. Since this one was not labelled as advertising, how are we to know which PIC blurbs are sponsored and which not?

This is very sad.

RE: Weak ethics must be a contagious disease
Patrick @ 5/25/2002 1:27:17 PM #
Didn't realize I was posting anonymously, so I should say that the above comment is mine.

RE: Weak ethics must be a contagious disease
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 2:03:38 PM #
I totally agree with you. This story will only lessen the credibility of PIC - which on the whole is an excellent and highly accurate source and Ed does an amazing job!

I simply cannot believe that Ed willingly included this story. He was either pressured by Iambic to do something so as to save future advertising revenue, the site was hacked by Iambic or Ed has totally lost his sense of editorial skill!

I keep saying that those dudes at Iambic are losers

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 1:41:53 PM #
why PIM would run this infomercial is beyond me

We also use and recommend action names.

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 1:43:44 PM #
The University of Puerto Rico Computer Engineering Dept. software analysts use and recommend Action Names over competing products.

Here at the University of Puerto Rico we use and recommend to our students quality software (that's why we use LINUX! instead of Windowze and Macinsuck). And we definitely recommend Iambic software, due to the quality and the fact that Iambic does all their programming on Emacs on linux! boxes.

University of Puerto Rico
Computer Engineering department

visit us at:
http://ece.uprm.edu

RE: We also use and recommend action names.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 7:34:55 AM #
Oh please... in the few too many sad months that I actually used Action Names I stumbled over more bugs than I could throw a stick at. The number was only surpassed by the amount of time spent waiting for a response from the iambic support department. And of course, none of them were ever fixed even though they were all acknowledged.

And if your truly believe that the quality of software is determined by the platform used to develop it, you're not only too stupid to be working or studying at a university, you also fall nicely into the category of boring nitwits who rather keep these inane rants against competing OS's going on than actually use their supposedly superior LINUX. I guess we Windows and Mac users feel secure enough with our OS's that we don't feel the need to make a life's work out of bashing the competition.

RE: We also use and recommend action names.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 12:51:15 AM #
> The University of Puerto Rico Computer Engineering
> Dept. software analysts use and recommend Action
> Names over competing products.

Who cares?

Academy award

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 1:50:26 PM #
He would have won an academay award if he had used Datebk5 instead of AN...all the resetting and crashes experienced by using AN caused him a great deal of frustation which sapped his creative juices...
RE: Academy award
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 3:51:03 PM #
LOL!!! Good One!!!
RE: Academy award
nXt @ 5/27/2002 12:46:17 PM #
I also use ActionNames DateBook... tried DateBK for the rolling schedules, and well I had more crashes than Windows 95.

ActionNames Datebook's high res support is much better than datebk's too.

nXt's Clie Club
Place To Be For Sony Clie Discussion
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nxtclieclub

Worst Story Ever!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 1:48:04 PM #
Sorry Ed, 99% of the time the site and the stories on it are up to par, interesting, informative, and bias free. I've been reading and posting every single day for about 2 years now and this has to be the DUMBEST most unnewsworthy "story" (and I use the term loosely here) ever to get its own peice. Once again, sorry Ed, but on this one, I think you must appease the masses and take this horrid article down. Otherwise you might face ongoing skeptacism from your constituants becuase this really does sound like an paid AD.

~Cal

RE: Worst Story Ever!
Fammy @ 5/25/2002 3:09:06 PM #
If eveyone hates this story so much, vote accordingly below. Quit yer complaining. I for one think slow news is better than no news (the worst being the "Sorry we haven't posted anything new in a while" news).

_____
Fammy
RE: Worst Story Ever!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 10:17:33 AM #
This is NOT "slow" news, it is no news at all, just advertising.

Weird Story

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 1:56:09 PM #
This ,ust be the weirdest story I have ever seen at pic. I really don't get it. I wonder if the story was meant to save face so that Iambic will consider advertising at PIC again? Afterall, the whole brouhaha about Datebk5.com was brewed right here on this site. This "news" is not news at all..who cares what programs this obscure director use on his Palm? If it was Steven Spileberg or Goerge Lucas then at least the story would have some relevance to some users.
Not a Weird Story
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 3:05:36 PM #
In fact David Rühm has tested software for our magazine on a regular basis and is renown as a seasoned expert in utility software and money programs.
We have indeed proudly published in nearly every Palmtop-Pro magazine in the last years articles from David.
David is rated as a very competent expert here in Europe on professional Palm and Psion software – besides having completed a bulkload of extremely successful films for cinemas in Europe.
Besides doing commercials for non profit organisations as like in that very case for the protection of wild animals.
He donated his work as in many other cases related to wildlife and humanistic projects absolutely for free – we know, he even sponsored these efforts financially.
So he is geared with his ideology in the same direction as the makers of Datebook 4&5– to protect wildlife & humanistic efforts.
I do not see anything wrong with this.
And I duly hope the silent majority of readers do as well.

Boris Michael Luhovoy
publishing editor
Palmtop-Pro magazine

RE: Weird Story
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 3:09:46 PM #
Liar
RE: Weird Story
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 3:15:00 PM #
Boris, I usually admire your posts and your publication, but you are wrong on this issue.

The article does not explain that he is a pro Palm user. Even if he is a pro Palm user with a wide ranging experience, then tell him to join the club - there are thousands of us on the planet, and not all of us use Action Names.

The problem here is that his voice is being given such an unusual airing: his testimonial is just one big sound byte. What next, will we get articles every day from mediocre professionals (and yes, he is mediocre by international standards) telling us how amazed they are by each and every app they use? I certainly hope not because it is irresponsible journalism and quite frankly a waste of space and time for readers.

I clicked on the story expecting some deep insight or a revelation by a top European director. Put it this way, I work in the film production industry in the UK and I've never heard of this guy, so I empathise with anyone else whose scratching their head thinking 'David Who?'. There is no way you can defend this story Boris. I should imagine you're only responding because you're also getting publicity out of this and are keen to defend the story to keep it posted here. As another poster said, it's pathetic.

RE: Weird Story
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 11:41:52 PM #
Mr. Boris Michael Luhovoy, how many times are you going to repost that SAME EXACT statement on this message board?

If you weren't so redundant (especially not even bothering to paraphrase, but literally cutting and pasting), I'd take your word for it. But now, you're just sounding like a troll.

At least try to vary your rebuttals, for some of us "silent" readers which wouldn't mind hearing more points of views that (at the very least) SOUND credible.

When Spielberg, Coppola, Stone, or Scorsese uses it...

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 3:40:22 PM #
that's when I will. Not this Liberal movie-nobody.
RE: When Spielberg, Coppola, Stone, or Scorsese uses it...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 4:07:09 PM #
But first you have to get a award for sucking your 2 ounces of milk
RE: When Spielberg, Coppola, Stone, or Scorsese uses it...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 8:41:07 PM #
Spielberg, Coppola, Stone, and Scorsese use datebk5: look where they are now.
RE: When Spielberg, Coppola, Stone, or Scorsese uses it...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 10:30:35 PM #
And 007 drives BMW
You probably even believe that BMW marketing has not payed any money for and that 007 coexists with Snowhite and the dwarfs in real life - do you?
RE: When Spielberg, Coppola, Stone, or Scorsese uses it...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 11:51:04 PM #
"...and that 007 coexists with Snowhite and the dwarfs in real life - do you?"

You mean... they don't?! :(

Why?

sandbuck @ 5/25/2002 4:06:22 PM #

Ed, you and PIC are better than this. But everybody makes mistakes. Let's pretend this never happened.

RE: Why?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 11:52:12 PM #
"Ed, you and PIC are better than this. But everybody makes mistakes."

"Let's pretend this never happened."

Does this apply only to PIC, or can we use this towards iambic too? :)

Mr. Ruhm

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 8:57:21 PM #
I am from Vienna, Austria and I'm also quite familiar with the Austrian film scene but I've never in my life heard from a guy named David Ruhm.
RE: Mr. Ruhm
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 10:14:41 PM #
You may be from Vienna but you surely cannot be familiar with the film industry here.
I am not engaged with the movie industry in Austria but even I know Ruehm - but a troll always can claim one even does nor exist.
So I invite everybody to make a search in Google for David Ruehm see how many entries connected with the national and international film industry are found and prove you a liar.
It seems that something is going on here beyond the scope of Palm interests. A kind of withchunt.


RE: Mr. Ruhm
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 12:22:18 AM #
OK, done.

Did a search:

for "David Ruehm" (quotation marks included
to exclude irrelevant hits).

Results 1 - 7 of about 9

I wouldn't say that is a lot of hits.
I invite anyone else to try that as well!

RE: Mr. Ruhm
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 1:10:18 AM #
Try Google - you get a few hundered
RE: Mr. Ruhm
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 1:13:55 AM #
Sorry - I missed how many: Exactly 967
RE: Mr. Ruhm
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 2:14:24 AM #
I did the search just now on Google and used "David Ruehm" (in quotation marks) and Goodlge returned "Searched the web for 'David Ruehm'. Results 1 - 7 of about 9. Search took 0.23 seconds."

The first result is called "The Elephant's Psion Page" and the URL suggests that it is Mr. Ruehm's personal web space from his ISP, www.chello.at. On that page, a program called "LottoWizard V2.40" for the Psion is featured. There is no indication whether the application was written by Mr. Ruehm and the web page was last updated July 28, 2001. No references to Palm whatsoever.

The Google sub-result to the above is Mr. Ruehm's listing in Chello Members' Webspace and a link to the above Elephant's Page.

The third Google result is just a re-direct from Mr. Ruehm's former personal home page on CompuServe to Chello.at.

The fourth result appears to be a film event in early December 2000 that lists a short (3 minutes, 15 seconds) 35mm film named "SPAGHETTO" made in 1993 by Mr. Ruehm.

The fifth and sixth results are web pages listing Psion software and having a link to Mr. Ruehm's LottoWizard page at Chello.at. No links to Palm here, either.

The seventh and last result from Google lists a 1996 film entitled "Azzurro", by Mr. Ruehm. It is listed in the Filmography page of a web site about actress Babsy Artner. I would assume that Ms. Artner appears in "Azzurro."

Google did not find hundreds of results. FYI.

RE: Mr. Ruhm
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 2:54:23 AM #
Serarch in Google - coy and pasted:

Searched the web for David Ruehm.   Results 1 - 10 of about 100. Search took 0.05 seconds.

Searched the web for David Rühm.   Results 1 - 10 of about 875. Search took 0.10 seconds.

Searched the web for David Ruhm.   Results 1 - 10 of about 9,550. Search took 0.16 seconds.

(not all but most pages her belong to Ruehm especially the entries to the Cannes Film Ferstival and all movie related entries)

The difference comes from the fact that you can write european names with accent in very different ways - its alwys the same man.


RE: Mr. Ruhm
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 7:04:54 PM #
Interesting.

Maybe Google targets their search engine based on
your country? Because my searches do not come
ANYWHERE near that many hits, and I'm located in
Canada.

At any rate, the point of this is that most of
North America, Asia, and I can probably say, Australia
has never heard of this guy.

RE: Mr. Ruhm
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 7:22:40 PM #
NOTE that the original search was done USING quotation marks, and this was STATED EXPLICITLY. The person
who managed to get 9,000 hits obviously doesn't read
instructions, or is on crack.
Why? Because there's a lot of irrelevant hits when
you search without quotation marks!

The exact same search is as follows with
quotation marks to eliminate irrelevant hits:

"David Ruhm" 1-10 of about 112
"David Rühm" 1-10 of about 58
"David Ruehm" 1-7 of about 9

I'm not saying whether he IS or ISN'T important. I'm
just stating a fact.

Huh?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 11:58:44 PM #
Is this an advertisment for Iambic, or a kudos for an animal rights activist or what.

What kind of crap story is this?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 12:04:27 AM #
Ed, you let several down by posting such a junk article on PIC. I would rather have a no-news day then fluff and blind advertising like this on here.

What a waste. Way to cave in to Iambic.

crap story
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 12:09:10 AM #
What is the point of this story??
People want to read good news(confirmed, exciting), not rumors or silly stuff....Now I know why I come here less and less.

:/

RE: What kind of crap story is this?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 2:44:25 AM #
The unreflected blind and destructive energy of most of the posters here leads to the diagnosis:

Most of the self-proclaimed "active & posting" Palm user seem to from a medical point of view use their misunderstood weird and religious motivated "Palm-love" not for duty but as a drug to heal there own psychological shortcomings. The Palm as a simple tool cannot run away from them. If he could he would.

Reminds me of the crusade from middle age to 9/11

Otherwise it is unexplainable why some in the audience have nothing in mind as to try to smear **** on iambic and everybody who mention this company’s name like PIC or even a completely unknown magazine in a foreign language. Iambic is a company, which makes very good, if not the best Palm software. Would you rather be more happy having again a software producer and magazine switching sides to M$ or even close down?
Is this what you rally want?
Then your in fact M$ best propaganda machine

RE: What kind of crap story is this?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 3:27:05 AM #
If the program cited in the story had been something other than AN (DateBk 5 or ShadowPlan, for instance), I think the reaction might have been less vitriolic but much the same in general theme, ie: this isn't really news but an advert.

Last year there were several pieces (on several sites) about a polar expedition taking along certain programs. I don't recall as negative a reaction, but then I don't recall them sounding so much like a commercial.

I would have expected a comment from Ed on a story getting so much attention, but I believe that this is a holiday weekend in the US, so maybe he's not aware of the debate as yet? Maybe we'll get a reaction during the week...

Dryden

RE: What kind of crap story is this?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 3:33:38 AM #
I agree what you said. And it's time to forget about the past and try not to be bias again.

(Also, I don't find anything in this article that is non-sense or offensing. Please keep your good work, Ed!)

RE: What kind of crap story is this?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 6:39:13 AM #
QUOTE---The unreflected blind and destructive energy of most of the posters here leads to the diagnosis:---QUOTE

Some people like to sound self-important.

RE: What kind of crap story is this?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 2:47:36 PM #
You wrote:
--Some people like to sound self-important.--

And some are indeed – and it is interesting to analyse.

They’re 4 groups here over / under represented – you choose.

1.) The one posting anonymously or behind a alias name to throw trash and wild accusations at random with a lot of fanatism (called the mainstream)
2.) The one posting anonymously or behind a alias name not to get flamed for not being 100% in line with the trash hurling mainstream whackos. (like me)
3.) The Palmtop-Pro magazine Editor has nothing to do either with iambic or with PIC and is the only one who sticks his neck out with full name postings here.
And consequently get flamed for being guilty to allow that in his Palm magazine there is a report that a movie director uses a Palm. Why this gentleman even responds here at all to the low-knee-level postings on PIC remains a mystery to me. No other magazine rep in the world would do that.
4.) The mayor group, who scratches their head why in the world there are people getting so upset that PIC is reporting on a fact that a more or less prominent filmmaker who got a US award uses a Palm.

I’m with group 2&4

RE: Thank you doc.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 10:01:36 PM #
Quote:
"The unreflected blind and destructive energy of most of the posters here leads to the diagnosis:
Most of the self-proclaimed "active & posting" Palm user seem to from a medical point of view use their misunderstood weird and religious motivated "Palm-love" not for duty but as a drug to heal there own psychological shortcomings. The Palm as a simple tool cannot run away from them. If he could he would."

Have no idea what you means but its exciting to know
Dr.Frasier Crane posts here.

HA HA!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 4:33:21 AM #
Sorry, but i just had to put in my two cents...

Haa!

VULTURES?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 5:07:49 AM #
It would seem that a large percentage of you are vultures, just waiting to pounce the momment some "news item" doesn't meet your high standards. Many of you are probably the same individuals who watch CNN/AOL/TW and declare THAT commercial product news..... If some important American Director had said it, then you MIGHT even recognize the name (If the director produced TW blockbuster action films *) )
Nevertheless, give Ed a break. I've been reading the site since 2000?, and if I see a "news item" that I don't care for, I go on. BTW - I saw a reference to a German site - can I have the address?
RE: VULTURES?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 8:45:26 AM #

No more this kind of story please.....

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 9:38:25 AM #
I really do not want to see any of this kind of dumb "news". What kind of jurnalism is this?
RE: No more this kind of story please.....
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 4:46:46 PM #
1. Make your own Palm News site if you want other news.

2. Learn how to spell.

3. Grow up.

RE: No more this kind of story please.....
PDA Guy @ 5/27/2002 4:34:41 AM #
Well, despite spelling errors, this person (as is obvious from a LOT of other posts) is just voicing the same opinion that a lot here have.

It's a silly story, and coming right after the iambic fiasco, it seems even more so.

Lighten up on the criticism, sheesh.

What is really important

PIC mobile user @ 5/26/2002 10:07:00 AM #
I think what is important here is not the app he is using, but it is the platform. It is the palm os that makes things easier. People that actually use thier pdas as an info manager/organizer know that this is where the power is.

AL (commenting from my NR70)
RE: What is really important
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 8:41:25 PM #
I don't read it that way at all. Even the article's title doesn't imply that. It is supposed to be about a film maker who uses AN Datebook.

The problem is that it really does read like an advertisement, like an attempted product endorsement. For me, it has nothing to do with which product it is. I'd rather click on PIC and find that there wasn't any news that day than be "mis-lead" into reading an article with no informational value. There have been other "articles" in the past that also were guilty of this, but none ever seemed so blatant to me.

At a minimum, I hope Ed sees that PIC readers in general would rather not see product endorsements masquerading as PIC articles.

RE: What is really important
swinginjonny @ 5/28/2002 1:04:09 PM #
Ed, I think you're great. This is my favorite Palm site. While it certainly didn't deserve the fury it received, the AN article DID sound like an ad. Why not have a few software reviews put away for a rainy day? Oh, wait, you'd still get flamed for posting old news. I'm afraid slow news days put you between the proverbial rock and hard place.
Know that most of us support you.



(Self-confessed Palm Geek)

I beg your pardon?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 1:28:27 PM #
Is this a PR article? What's happened to Palm Info Center? Are more articles like this one in the pipeline? Did you get paid for this? I don't want to hurt anybody but I really don't understand. Sad. Sad.

datebk5.com

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 1:35:25 PM #
he only uses action names by iambic because he was redirected to their site while searching for plimco software....

Read, Moron.

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 3:14:06 PM #
How would this be different if the film maker is using DateBK instead of ActionName? Would you still call out and said this is an advertisement? Would you still call this a crap?

Bias is Bias. You can have all kinds of excuse, but most of you are bias.

I'm here to educate you. If you are reading a news, you should read what's important in it. In this case, it's the PalmOS platform for what he's talking about.

RE: Read, Moron.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 4:52:33 PM #
wow...idiots like you really exist....why dont you read the story over again, buddy...the 'press release' just praises iambic, not the palm os. it is a ploy to help us forget what iambic did 3 weeks back.
RE: Read, Moron.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 5:24:09 PM #
The basic press announcement is not focused on software.

If your fluent in German this site proves:

http://www.palmtop-pro.com/onltexte/ruehm3.htm

1.) The story came from the magazine Palmtop-Pro
2.) The German text is focused on personal matters besides Palm & Psion OS

To understand this and the history of this thread you have to know German - otherwise your just talking around something you do neither understand nor know about.

In other words -- thats bad manners.

RE: Read, Moron.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 10:03:57 PM #
I get the feeling this is something of a "Erm... Iambic likes monkeys too!" PR attempt.
RE: Read, Moron.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 2:52:19 AM #
If you follow the link above (here it is again:

http://www.palmtop-pro.com/onltexte/ruehm3.htm )

and then click "Press Release" under the Iambic "ad" on the left, you'll be directed to an English web page showing that the "news" article is indeed a promotional press release from Iambic. Iambic's Press Contact is listed on the left. The last half of the press release plugs Action Names, Iambic, and Palmtop-Pro.

RE: Read, Moron.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 3:33:20 AM #
Why dont you read and comment the German text there but report was a link to somewhere sais?
RE: Read, Moron.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 10:25:55 AM #
I would hate this just as much (well almost as much) if it was endorsing DateBk5. It's advertising, not news, and I'd like to think this was a NEWS site, not a place to have to read more advertising. I get enough junk already.

Ok...

BiffK @ 5/26/2002 3:36:56 PM #
Good Lord! And I don't mean the story, all this jibber-jabber... thought we were done with this a couple of weeks ago. If you like ActNames... so be it... if you like DateBk5... all power to you. Some people are satisfied with Palm's built in Datebook. The story isn't fantastic breaking news, but does it really matter if someone comes down on the side of Iambic?

For what it's worth, I like Iambic better than Datebk5 as well.

-Biff K

RE: Ok...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 10:27:27 AM #
Well, is DateBk5 going to get equal "air" time? To post a story like this is pretty much like saying that PIC endorses ActionNames.
RE: Ok...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 1:19:45 PM #
No it doesn't. Datebk gets plenty of publicity. It's this what-have-you-done-for-me-lately type of equality that has our society screwed up. Reporting on something one time does not imply support. If we get articles like once a week for a month, all about ActionNames, then we can all wonder. One article in now way implies support.
RE: Ok...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 7:03:25 PM #
I would agree if this was an article posting true news about ActionNames or a review. But for this kind of blatant advertising, nope, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that since other products don't get similar treatment, this kind of thing is inappropriate.

Great Story!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 4:56:53 PM #
This story is important for the palm comunity. It shows the important Role action Names is playing on the life of important people.


The University of Puerto Rico Computer Engineering Dept. software analysts use and recommend Action Names over competing products.

Here at the University of Puerto Rico we use and recommend to our students quality software (that's why we use LINUX! instead of Windowze and Macinsuck). And we definitely recommend Iambic software, due to the quality and the fact that Iambic does all their programming on Emacs on linux! boxes.

University of Puerto Rico
Computer Engineering department

visit us at:
http://ece.uprm.edu

Smart people use Linux and Action Names.

RE: Great Story!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 6:48:04 PM #
Smart people? LOL

This comment has to be written by an Iambic employee...

RE: Great Story!
escobar @ 5/26/2002 6:54:44 PM #
No, it's written by a Linux-lover who actually only cares for Palm OS, and wish that Linux ever will be used by more than him alone!

My opinion on this is that I think it should have been presented in another way, and not like a commercial for AN!


RE: Great Story!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 1:18:04 AM #
Forgot what a dictatorship is?

Raise your voice (for iambic) and you get troubles - be in line (Datebook) and you get candys.

And you want to bomb Hussein for being a bad boy?

RE: Great Story!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 12:16:17 PM #
Iambic is famous for infiltrating newsgroups, websites and competing products groups and spreading mis-information about competitor's products and promoting their own. The above case is a clear case of such an action by Iambic.

Scumbags!

RE: Great Story!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 12:19:08 PM #
Yes, U. of Porto Rico...uhmmmm... typical of con artists to name a distant and little known university where it would be very difficult to verify the information provided.

BTW I have heard that the University of Botswana and the College of Higher learning in Uganda both prohibit the use of Action Names within their campuses citing loss of important data by poorly written code. Armed guards travel in pairs throughout each campus checking all Palm pilots for the insidious software...

RE: Great Story!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 2:28:16 PM #
wrote: ...BTW I have heard that the University of Botswana and the College of Higher learning in Uganda both prohibit the use of Action Names ...

should read correct:
...BTW I have heard that PIC prohibit the use of Action Names...

RE: Great Story!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 7:10:24 AM #
>Forgot what a dictatorship is?
Raise your voice (for iambic) and you get troubles - >be in line (Datebook) and you get candys.
>And you want to bomb Hussein for being a bad boy?

Um, you're actually comparing people showing a disgust over a company's clumsy, underhanded attempts at PR with a murderous dictator who has deployed chemical weapons against his own people, literally butchered (aka chopped up)dissenting members of his own government, and is constantly threatening to invade neighboring countries?

Amazing.

You're right, WE'RE the unreasonable ones. More power to Iambic.

RE: Great Story!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 7:52:54 AM #
Are you referring to Agent Orange and nuclear tests on army personell and nuclear ammunition in the Golf War and Jugoslavia?
RE: Great Story!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 7:53:09 PM #
No, but thanks for trying to keep up.

news-worthy?

Psikotic @ 5/27/2002 3:25:34 AM #
Isn't it funny how this "non-newsworthy" story has generated more comments than the rumor about the T650? If you don't like the story, don't read it. The complaints are worthless as this is a free site and as such, does not have to cater to every opinion about what is newsworthy. To complain about whether a story is newsworthy is just ridiculous and to threaten to take your traffic to another site because of it, is even more so. Go... I don't think Ed or any one else is going to loose any sleep over it. Now I have to go post a comment about how the T650 story is not "news-worthy" cause I only buy Palm products and don't want to have to read about Sony.

RE: news-worthy?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 12:09:42 PM #
News-peddlers, if they are serious about their craft, have an obligation to maintain the distinction between events that are honest news and those which are pap. Where this distinction is not maintained, the integrity of the reporter is called into question.

PIC has a long history of fair and even-handed reporting which its readers have come to expect. A story such as this reads like a fluffed-up press release, or worse yet, some kind of PR media guide. Readers do not expect this kind of tripe from PIC. Your suggestion, Psikotic, that readers "don't read it" if they "don't like it" is reductive and childish (and in this case, also impossible: you can't exactly 'unread' the article after you've finished it). There are deeper issues here than liking or not liking a particular story--Palm InfoCenter's integrity is somewhat in doubt, if just for a moment. That Ed hasn't yet responded to these legitimate issues is further troubling.

And I'm sure Ed does care about his readership, despite your protestations to the contrary.

RE: news-worthy?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 12:55:17 PM #
Ed probably hasn't responded because this is all very petty- I had no idea so many 7th grade girls were fans of Palm Infocenter.
RE: news-worthy?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 9:11:04 PM #
I am, perhaps foolishly, waiting for the argument in the above statement. I've provided a set of legitimate reasons for the uproar but get only ridiculous palaver in response.I think even 7th grade girls could do better.
RE: news-worthy?
Psikotic @ 5/28/2002 10:17:50 AM #
First off, if we want to mention credibility, let's note for the record that most of those complaining are doing so anonymously. Take that as you will...

"News-peddlers, if they are serious about their craft, have an obligation to maintain the distinction between events that are honest news and those which are pap."

Agreed, except that the distinction is a matter of opinion. We see it from reporters to newspapers to TV news. To those that like Action Names (I use Dtbk5) this was an interesting read. For the record, I didn't particularly care for the story.

"PIC has a long history of fair and even-handed reporting which its readers have come to expect. A story such as this reads like a fluffed-up press release, or worse yet, some kind of PR media guide."

Yes, it might have been biased, but everyone is forgetting that this is an interview from another source, not from PIC. Ed thought it relevant due to the fact that Palm is mentioned in an interview about the Clio. If Spielberg starts going into how much he loves Bejeweled in an interview, I guarantee that it would be posted here. Does that mean that Ed is an Astrawhore? PIC has consistently posted about any mainstream (or other) article that mentions Palm. This one just happens to coincide with the Iambic fiasco.

"Readers do not expect this kind of tripe from PIC."

What kind of tripe did you expect? 'Save Telephone Troubles with BeamDial'? Come on, this is a site about handhelds! In perspective, it is all tripe.

"There are deeper issues here than liking or not liking a particular story--Palm InfoCenter's integrity is somewhat in doubt, if just for a moment."

In doubt by whom? There are only a handful of people posting here who state they doubt it (anonymously). And those that are so quick to question PIC's integrity, I don't know that they had much respect for it in the first place. If I respected someone's integrity, my first reaction isn't to call them a sell-out when there is a disagreement.

"That Ed hasn't yet responded to these legitimate issues is further troubling."

Why troubling? He didn't do anything wrong. There is nothing that he has to justify to anybody. Don't like how he writes, don't read his stuff. Do you read editorials in the paper from reporters you don't like, then complain about them? I like the response of the previous poster, "Ed probably hasn't responded because this is all very petty- I had no idea so many 7th grade girls were fans of Palm Infocenter." You know what? He is probably right.

"And I'm sure Ed does care about his readership, despite your protestations to the contrary."

If the small handfull of those who posted here carried out their threats and never came back, I'm sure Ed would somehow manage to find the strength to carry on. But that is a non-issue as, unfortunately, all of the threats are hollow. You will all be back, no doubt bitching about another article in the future and about how PIC is biased one way or another. sigh...

RE: news-worthy?
jooky_cruise @ 5/29/2002 3:13:51 AM #
Thanks for the well-reasoned response, Psikotic. I can't agree with everything you say, but your objections are thoughtful. Point taken about the anonymous posting, but man am I lazy and is registration hard...

It looks like this issue is played out, so I guess I won't be coming back to this thread, but let me just say:

1) *IF* Ed accepted some form of compensation for publishing an article, that'd be disappointing. More to the point, it would be de-legitimizing--most respectable news media clearly distinguishes between news, editorial content, and advertising. Advertising, under any guise, isn't really news, and to pass it off as such is a cynical abuse of the Fourth Estate. When Sony's fake movie critic was exposed, the ensuing uproar was over the passing-off of paid advertisment as legitmate criticism, even though film criticism is hardly the frame of civilization. If Ed did take payment, he sure didn't disclose it. Citing sources and disclosing should be a natural part of reporting the news.

2) The article in question reads like an advertorial. Ryan even responds that it was taken from a press release.

3) If you accept 1) and 2), it logically follows that compensation may have been involved. Do I believe that? No (and Ryan's reply denied it). But surely you can understand the concern that it was true.

Why?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 5:44:58 AM #
Datastick announces a Universal Connector data acquisition system last week, wins a show awayrd, I don't see it here and you publish this crap?

YOU LOST CRED, ED!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 7:28:06 PM #
Sorry buddy, but you lost it. This is not news. It is not even a very good attempt at PR (if that's what you and Iambic was thinking). It is lousy as an infomercial and if PIC needs to go THAT way to support this site, please change it www.palminfomercial.com. At least the readers here knows what they are getting into.

Don't do a "Chris Pirillo" will ya?

YOU DO NOT LOOS CRED, ED!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 1:13:03 AM #
The whole problem of this discussion seem the general lack of language skill in the USA- otherwise all of you would be in shame harassing Ed for putting up a link to an advertising site.

And another problem in the information age becomes visible – one depending on the opinion of another unchecked information builds his own opinion and cries it out loud

If you could read German you would find the link a very moderate and interesting Story not mentioning iambic, Action Name or any other software product.

The only product mentioned in the provided link from Ed are Palm and Psion.

What all of you comment is a text following a tiny link on that providet page.

Fair is fair – so please be fair and build your opinion on facts - not fiction.

Boris Michael von Luhovoy
Publishing editor
Palmtop-Pro Magazine
www.palmtop-pro.com

RE: YOU LOST CRED, ED!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 4:56:22 AM #
Boris, you missed the point. We are NOT interested (at least me, myself and I) in what was said in YOUR magazine - in English, American English, German, Tutsi, whatever.

What we are interested in is what was said in THIS online magazine.

"better to have something posted on a slow weekend"?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 1:51:08 AM #
Thanks for the clarification, Ryan. The reaction would suggest that you might have been better to maintain quality rather than throughput, however.

If we try new things, we're bound to make a few mistakes: not a problem if we learn from them!

Dryden

RE:
Patrick @ 5/28/2002 4:51:57 AM #
I also say thank you for the clarification and am relieved to know it wasn't a paid ad.

I guess the question for me still remains: who wrote the blurb itself? It so reeks of marketeeze it is hard to believe it wasn't copied verbatim from some iambic press release.

Just to assure myself I wasn't imagining what I was reading, I went back through a dozen or more pages in the PIC archive trying to find a similar story about another product. While I found plenty of single-product announcements, they invariably contained some element that was new to the community, and there was certainly none of this insipid "like having a personal assistant at my side, any time of day" nonsense.

BTW, not all the people asking the questions did so anonymously. The insertion of that word into your update seemed to be an attempt to dis your critics.

Let me close by saying that I am an extremely unimportant engineer in a tiny Canadian software engineering company and I use DateBk5! I figure that statement ought to be more than enough to balance out this plug for AN from Mr. "Important-And-Oh-So-Busy-Director-That-Makes-Ads-That-Win-Bronze-Clios" Ruehm.

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I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

RE:
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 11:45:52 AM #
LOL ignorant and immature. Who cares that you use Datebk5. This is a piece of **** like AN. What a bunch of nerds. pity, pity pity
RE:
Patrick @ 5/28/2002 1:40:40 PM #
Ignorant and immature? Ha! That's pretty ironic coming from somebody who doesn't recognize something obviously said tongue-in-cheek!

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I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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