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RE: GSM again...
I don't quite understand why it's so hard to release for all networks, but really, you have nothing to complain about.
RE: GSM again...
RE: GSM again...
how come GSM is not popular in America .
RE: GSM again...
how come GSM is not popular in America .<<
Simply, because it's been mismanaged. After being forced into a different part of the spectrum from the Eurasian version, the only nationwide carrier, VoiceStream, never bothered to build out the network to provide the coverage of the CDMA carriers. Now that AT&T and Cingular are converting to GSM (for 3G services), GSM's plight in the US will likely improve.
RE: GSM again...
Cingular (granted Cingular is not really one company) has GSM coverage on both coasts, just not over all their network. VoiceStream doesn't even service my state at all, so it's not like pervasiveness is a criteria for defining "nationwide"....
RE: GSM again...
RE: GSM again...
qualcomm=cdma
...
RE: GSM again...
So basically they are screwed ..... CDMA is like acient history in most places except maybe China and US.
RE: GSM again...
RE: GSM again...
Heheheh. Like the US isn't the most important market in the world. Where are you from, like The NETHERLANDS or something?
There's a good reason the USA is arrogant. Silly little Euro-Australia-etc wannabes...
RE: GSM again...
Kyocera has not introduced a GSM phone to this point. However, they did have some initial commitment to use only Qualcomm chipsets in the purchase agreement, which I believe has expired, so this may change soon.
RE: GSM again...
GPRS is a transitional piece GSM carriers are tacking onto current TDMA based GSM systems to make data transfer rates of GSM competitive with CDMA's packet based technology.
RE: GSM again...
-Joey from New Jersey
RE: GSM again...
RE: GSM again...
It is widely understood that CDMA gives better signal quality and more calls/spectrum than GSM. This is cheaper for the carrier and therefore cheaper for the customer.
The only reason GSM is so widely used around the world is because the socialist governments of Europe forced an early standardization on this inferior technology.
Now, carriers in Europe are paying the price because the migration path from GSM to 3G is very expensive and will require large capital expenditures to completely replace all transmitters. W-CDMA (aka UMTS) is the 3G version of GSM. GPRS is the 2.5G step between GSM and W-CDMA.
CDMA carriers have a much less expensive migration path to 2.5G and 3G. CDMA2000 (and CDMA2000 1X, -1X EV-DO, etc.) will not require the massive changes to the infrastructure and are also backwards compatible with 2G (GSM/GPRS/W-CDMA is not).
ALs, since most handsets now are made in Korea and Japan, and Korea and Japan are going to CDMA2000, there are more CDMA2000 handsets available than W-CDMA handsets.
Therefore, CDMA carriers will have to spend less money to implement the 3G systems, will be able to roll it out much sooner, have more handsets available for their customers, and will start having 3G revenue come in much quicker. The safe bet is that CDMA2000 will win out in the end.
But the Socialist European governments may bail out the bankrupt GSM carriers rather than let the market decide, so there are no sure bets.
See www.3gnewsroom.com if you have any questions.
RE: GSM again...
So you see, our 'Socialist Governments???' may have hit the mark after all.
RE: GSM again...
I'm from Slovenia (Europe) and we have the GSM standard. I'm not interested in which standard is better. I'd only want to know if you think that Kyocera will make a 7135 compatible with our standard or not.
Thanks for the answer.
''high rez'' let down!
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
Scott
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I have a 6035. The screen is small such that even if it did have hirez, utilizing it with spreadsheets would require me to have a magnifying glass.
David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
Perhaps we could call this resolution standard "HiRes-".
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I think they do have a 16Bit screen if not better
And this phone is GPS Ready not GPS BUILT-IN . That means you are limited to use a certain phone carrier who offers the 911 thingy
No SD Slot, but SonyEricsson does have an industrial standard MemoryStick Slot.
And P800 is not compatible with thousands of PalmOS Apps, but ironicly so is PalmOS 5.
Does Kyocera 7135 have a real High Res big screen !? no
Does Kyocera 7135 have built-in Bluetooth !? no
Does Kyocera 7135 run on GSM 1900/1800/900 (so called World phone) !? no
So will you be able to use Kyocera 7135 in anywhere except US !? I doubt it
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
-->And this phone is GPS Ready not GPS BUILT-IN<---
GPS is built in putz, read the facts. IT's an APGS solution that uses the network for completing the POS LOC. ALL carriers must support the E911 Phase two mandate, it's requried by the FCC.
http://www.fcc.gov/911/enhanced/releases/factsheet_requirements_012001.pdf
-->That means you are limited to use a certain phone carrier who offers the 911 thingy<--
See above...
-->Does Kyocera 7135 have a real High Res big screen !? no<--
It's a phone, I don't want 320x320 against my head to talk...you would look like an idiot.
-->Does Kyocera 7135 have built-in Bluetooth !? no<--
Doesn't need to. IT has SD so you can get the SD Bluetooth card if you insist on being able to communicate with the handfull of other devices in the world that have that crappy technology.
-->Does Kyocera 7135 run on GSM 1900/1800/900 (so called World phone) !? no<--
You europeans really are strugling with that GSM thing aren't you....
-->So will you be able to use Kyocera 7135 in anywhere except US !? I doubt it <--
Seeing how many world travelers there are.....
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
However, 160x160 is simply not sufficient for general-purpose web browsing (or viewing 80-column text, etc.).
I badly want a 2.5G or 3G phone (preferably on a network that has a provider in Southern California offering flat-rate data access -- I guess Sprint CDMA 1xRTT this summer is the last hope for this) with a full-featured PDA and a resolution of 240x320 or greater.
Sadly, it looks like the only phones to come out in the forseeable future with these specs run Microsoft OSes. I really don't want to support Microsoft, but the alternative looks to be to wait until sometime in 2003 (or beyond) to get a phone...
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
The 7135 will be marketed toward people like myself.
I do not use a Palm every day, but I REQUIRE a cell phone. I like this device because it is PRIMARILY a cellphone, and SECONDARILY a PDA. This is perfect. I do not plan to play games, only keep an address book, date book, and tasks/lists. Include the MP3 player and an SD slot, and I am happier than a pig in slop. I could care less that it can't upgrade to Palm OS5.
In talking with Kyocera's sales team, this is how they will market it - Cell phone with PDA abilities.
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
BTW, the 320x320 and 160x160 has the same PHYSICAL screen size, so you would not look "stupid" holding a "big something" to your head... Check you the SONY Clie's to see what I mean... The fonts are just easy to read...
RE: Great review
Scott
RE: Great review
RE: Great review
The only problem I see is for a cell phone not to have a good screen outside where most of my calls are made!
RE: Printer questions?
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RE: Great review
David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: Great review
Use the keypad. most people I call I have their numbers memorized so I tend to dial it or use voice recognition dialing (on my kyo6035)
I wish I was outside more. I have the opposite need. I'm indoors entering data into handbase and behind the bar particularly I have a dead spot where it's too dark for regular screen, and too light for the backlight to help on the 6035. I look forward to having a color device. To yall crybabies who are lucky enough to be outside I say: "tuff" :-)
David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: Great review
RE: Great review
I wonder what ever happened to that compact keyboard some company in the UK designed. Remember, the clever one with number buttons between the letters so that you could type full alpha-numeric in a small grid of buttons? The idea was that when you pressed on 'A' you were really pressing in buttons a the diagonal corners, and when you were typing numbers you hit the buttons directly, so you could make the keyboard very small and with fairly few buttons. Darned clever, and I haven't seen it in any products yet. Perfect for a phone...
RE: Great review
I love your town.. I am in Dallas, and have noticed the same problems with the 6035.. I ABSOLUTELY HATE the backlit screen.. It is totally bogus unless in pitch black.. I got mine after driving down I-35 one day, looking over at the guy in an expensive BMW (M5) next to me, and seeing a palm in one hand, a cell in the other, and I can bet he had a cup of hot JAVA between his legs -- going 75mph..
RE: GPS with MAP
RE: GPS with MAP
IOW, these phones don't access the satellite-based GPS system.
RE: GPS with MAP
Scott
RE: GPS with MAP
GPS is REAL!!!
www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/110-1.htm
No mention how it works with mapping though.
RE: GPS with MAP
RE: GPS with MAP
These phones probably in fact are talking about...
GPRS - G... Packet RADIO Service, sorry can't remember what G meant (Probably Global)...and this means they know where you are, and you can talk / send data wherever anyone has made an effort to put the service in place...
RE: GPS with MAP
It strikes me that, since their non-Palm phones use chips with the ARM CPU core, a future product using PalmOS 5 would be a natural outgrowth (though I think that the chip would probably have to support more external RAM).
RE: GPS with MAP
RE: GPS with MAP
Is this SnapTrack's a-gps IC you're talking about?
Size
And BTW--I have to give Samsung credit for having the brass balls to release 2 Palm OS devices this year (the Bluechip AND the i300 replacement)!
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Boze
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RE: Size
RE: Size
RE: Size
-run apps from card?
-or at least copy to ram and run seamlessly
-etc...
Cool would be an SD gps card so if you got lost you could put that in.
David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: Size
Palm OS 4 already does this.
RE: Size
-Mike
RE: Size
RE: Size
RE: Size
Moving MP3 files to device?
-Kevin Crossman
RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
If so, that would make things relatively easy for both Mac or Windows users.
-Kevin Crossman
RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
course if I found out a way to convert ArtBell shows to MP3, and save on SD cards, then that's something I could use. I can't stand music, sorry.
David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
which works native with OS X
RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
This is far better than transferring files by syncing, since it's so much faster. Using the PCMCIA adapter, files copy at almost 1mb/second.
Built in stylus???
RE: Built in stylus???
RE: Built in stylus???
RE: Built in stylus???
Another thing missing from the pictures is the infrared port. Did they 86 it?
David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: Built in stylus???
Nice overview Barton!
I'm left with only a couple questions on the specs:
- if it's washing out in direct sunlight, then it may use transmissive, not transflective, screen technology
- how much ROM, and whether it is flash or mask (heh, and if it's flash, how much is used/free)
Pretty cool 3rd generation device for Kyocera (pdQ > 6035 > 7135) and I hope it does well for them.
Screen too small
RE: Screen too small
If you're concerned about usability (tapping buttons, selecting text, etc.), then you're right. My i300 can be quite aggravating to use at times.
Scott
RE: Screen too small
you're putting the cart before the horse. Before you can land on the moon u have to first have a saturn 5 rocket to get off this rock.
smartphones require integration to work. They need existing stuff not vapor to work with. Look, handspring is using 3.5.2 in it's smartphones, no?
David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: Screen too small
RE: Screen too small
So... sux0r.
RE: Screen too small
RE: Screen too small
Open the screen for every appointment?
RE: Open the screen for every appointment?
David in Pflugerville, TX
Excellent
I hope there'll be a GSM+GPRS version soon, cause this is one great device!
What is the size btw?
Excellent (2)
Handspring is dead
The Treo looks and feels like an autistic child's creation and toy. The KPhone feels like a expensive *tool*.
K did everything right. Let's just hope Jeff Hawkins doesn't wind up at Microsoft. But he will need a new job; because Handspring is dead.
RE: Handspring is dead
Treo's idea of only putting the speaker at the flip cover is just dumb. It's sad that they copied from Nextel's i1000.
RE: Handspring is dead
RE: Handspring is dead
RE: Handspring is dead
RE: Handspring is dead
GSM phones, handspring has a future.
most business users require GSM, as that is
the standard everywhere outside US and China.
business units have higher gross margins than
consumer units.
Answer to questions
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/110-1.htm
Scroll down to the videos.
text as in press 2 2x will be B
graph
RE: text as in press 2 2x will be B
Overseas
RE: Overseas
I want this!
I'm carrying a BW Palm and a phone now, and to go beyond just combining them sounds great to me!
RE: I want this!
-Marsha & Patti
MP3 ringers???
RE: MP3 ringers???
RE: MP3 ringers???
Now that would be cool!
RE: MP3 ringers???
RE: MP3 ringers???
Kyocera 7135 very nice, but let’s be honest with each other
I just wanted to start off by doing a level set.
I currently have a Kyocera QCP-6035 which I have owned since this unit was first released (this was a trade up from the Palm Vx and Startac combo).
I have to be honest with everyone and even more importantly, myself.
I lust after the Handspring Treo 270, this is the unit that would be perfect for me, 16mb of memory, color display and most importantly, that Blackberry style keyboard.
The only reason that I don’t own one is that it is not available on the Verizon network, I read something that said that Handspring is coming out with a CDMA version, does anyone know if this will make it to Verizon???.
Lets face the facts here, there is just no way that Graffiti can be considered a superior method of text entry over a keyboard, just to prove that point, I borrowed my friends Blackberry and composed a test message to myself, I then composed the same message using my stylus on the QCP-6035. Well I had to backspace so many times that I even considered switching my provider to VoiceStream just to purchase the Treo.
I would like to re-state that I think the Kyocera QCP-7135 is a great looking unit and that I think the MP3 thing is a great idea if the battery drain is not to bad (I would love to leave my Discman home and just enjoy music from the phone).
Here are some questions that I have about this unit:
1). Is the Graffiti are lighted??
2). Back lighting was not mentioned, I am sure this unit has that right??
3). How come no Hi-Res, after all, they went as far as 16-bit, 65,000 colors
Here is what I think is wrong with this unit:
The Jog Dial was replaced with buttons; I think that the Jog was one of the better features on the 6035, what’s point of that???
Overall, I think that this unit will sell well, as a matter of fact, if I can’t get Treo 270 on Verizion, then this is my only upgrade consideration.
I really think that they should go back and re-consider the Jog Dial and Hi-Res before they go to market, there is still time and that would just open the gap even wider between this phone/pda and the others.
RE: Kyocera 7135 very nice, but let’s be honest with each other
RE: Kyocera 7135 very nice, but let’s be honest with each other
Mike
RE: Kyocera 7135 very nice, but let’s be honest with each other
RE: Kyocera 7135 very nice, but let’s be honest with each other
RE: Kyocera 7135 very nice, but let’s be honest with each other
Oxy Moron?
•Bosco
Waiting for ARMed Palm Smartphone
RE: Oxy Moron?
readable. If you were to take a $10,000 flat panel TV into the sunshine and turn it on,
the colors would not be nearly as vivid as when you watched the TV indoors.
Eduardo
RE: Eduardo
Predictive Text Entry
RE: Predictive Text Entry
The guy does mention that it does have predictive text input, but he didn't say what kind (T9???)
battery life
I use my smartphone in combination with a stowaway keyboard to take notes in class. My classes tend to be about four hours long. Will the battery hold up for that long? In order to use this phone, would I need an extra battery to switch out with during my class break?
How long can I continually use the pda function of this smartphone before the battery gives out.
Thanks,
dave
RE: battery life
RE: battery life
Could it be..a Palm with a real battery?
GPS
In the news and on snaptracks website they discuss possible future location services, but i've heard nothing tangible yet. I work with Verizon Wireless & there's nothing on the horizon.
Regarding the 7135's availability on Verizon, nothing announced, but there certainly is a lot of buzz about it. we better get it, or I'll have to change jobs! I carry the 6035 now, in spite of it's size & terrible screen. The 7135 takes care of all of the 6035's problem. I will miss the jogdial though.
Compared to Handspring Treo 300
Do you think waiting for the Treo 300 or the Kyocera 7135 instead of jumping now for a Handspring 270 would be worth the wait? Is the data speed faster? What other benefits justify waiting?
Now the hard choice: if it’s worth waiting, please list your views on which to Kyocera or Treo? I love the keyboard but now use and enjoy a Sony Clie' N610C and am used to the stylus. I won’t use the MP3 function often, but I would enjoy the voice recorder.
Decisions, decisions.
Thanks for your thoughts.
RE: Compared to Handspring Treo 300
What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
We have them in stock now and they accept the Verizon PRL download.
Call Jack @ 877-543-5225 or e-mail infos @ cbstelecom.com
I have Kyocera 7135 ready for shipment now. They accept the Verizon PRL download. Only 3 left in stock
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
We have them in stock now and they accept the Verizon PRL download.
Call Jack @ 877-543-5225 or e-mail infos @ cbstelecom.com
I have Kyocera 7135 ready for shipment now. They accept the Verizon PRL download. Only 3 left in stock
Keyboard
Is there really such a consensus on how 'difficult' Graffiti is that everyone is moving to mini-keyboards?
Bummed, if that is the trend.
RE: Keyboard
What about voice 'controlled' dialing?
Where is the promised 7135 from Kyocera?
Internet via laptop IR port
RE: Internet via laptop IR port
The truth of revealed religion fails under the scrutiny of reason.
GSM vs CDMA
GSM is wide spread in Europe becuase the european governments got together and decided on a STANDARD.. It wasn't that much better 4 years ago, but, witha a standard in hand, the developers went to work..
In the USA, we had a slightly different problem.. NO STANDARD (or too many wannabes)... No way was ATT/Verizon/Sprint etc... gonna let some little upstart euro-biz dictate to them any standards.. So, here we are - four years later, no worldwide standard that is really accepted in the USA, and, the cool toys are still on GSM...
*sigh*
RE: GSM vs CDMA
I was in South Korea for the World Cup, and the CDMA phones and CDMA infrastructure is far superior to GSM/GPRS in Europe.
Yes, the US is a mess today because our coverage areas (for GPRS and CDMA 1X) are still spotty, but this has improved steadily over the last year.
The economics of the migration path within the CDMA standard are far superior to the migration path for GSM/GPRS users. The US CDMA infrastriucture will catch and surpass Europe within two years.
The new 7135....
on the 6035, in pitch night, I can barely make out enough of the writing area to use it.
with the screen split, is there any light on the writing area?>?
or am I no longer going to be able to write emails while I'm sitting in the trees looking in peoples windows?
(actually, I usually do it in a moving car at night... I just had to go for the humor)
RE: The new 7135....
Jonathan
Kyocera 7135 / Available ISP's
RE: Kyocera 7135 / Available ISP's
The truth of revealed religion fails under the scrutiny of reason.
Intended usage
The truth of revealed religion fails under the scrutiny of reason.
COMPARED TO SAMSUNG I300
Its a phone !
Let's put things in the clear, Kyocera is marketying phones ! with a great adress and date book.
I dont use it for anything else, for other stuff i use my laptop.
I cannot wait for it to be available in Canada, now I just have to convince my company bean counter that I need the latest model... I wonder what happens if I drop it in the toilet ?
RE: Its a phone !
James Kendricks
Savannah, GA
Memory / Car kit
Also the purpose of a mobile is that you can take it in your car and drive. Some locations (NOT JUST THE USA) do not allow to drive while having a mobile in ones hands. WHERE IS A PROPER CARE KIT WITH CRADLE and not some Mickey mouse plug in gig-light thingy...
Re: File Manager
I read all the manuals and literature and nowhere does it say how to.
Thanks..
BBB
Kyocera 7135 Rocks!!
RE: Re: File Manager
To open a folder, tap on the *folder* icon -- not the name.
RE: Re: File Manager
So far the phone is great... better than my Samsung SCH-N370 that only allowed you a few bytes for the name, and usually was not enough to put in the last name or to add and reference to who it was to begin with... mostly I like the flexibility and the amount of info you can enter in the address book.. although I wish it had my pocket pc's speed in some instances... but you can't beat having one device do it all... in the end when a 3Ghz version comes out, I'll be upgrading... as for power.. by then I'm sure they'll have an antimatter power cell to take care of any power brownouts lol
Take care all
Guess the future holds a lot for smartphones...
Kyocera 7135 Rocks!!
RE: Re: File Manager
Do you have a data cable and software for your old
Samsung SCH-N370
If so, would you like to sell it to me? Or anyone else out there reading this?
I have a couple of n370 phones with a lot of phone numbers in them, and want to get them out to upgrade to another phone.
Please reply to me at my email address:
marilyn.lake@gmail.com
Thanks so much
Marlie
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