Comments on: Rumor: New Sony Clie SJ33 with mp3 Audio

This is not an ARM device. It will not run Palm OS 5 or above. It may thought have Graffiti 2, but I doubt that Sony would include that with a model before 4.1.2 is released.

Peace,
-Bartman007

Bartman, It didn't say whether it was ARM or not... so that isn't true. It probably won't use graffiti 2, but it might be an ARM device

Katunka----also known as slim devil

sorry I may be mistaken but isn't the new SJ22 the same specs as the old SJ30?

I'm hoping we'll see a T-series replacement based on OS5/xScale with Virtual Graffiti for under $350.

Geez, I've written that so many times my fingers are getting tired! :-)

"it's better to be a pirate than join the navy." - Steve Jobs

So there will be four new models coming out at the end of Feb? This would be a first for Sony.

NZ90
SJ22
SJ33
T665 replacement

If that happens, this thing is going to mop the floor with Tungsten. Palm can kiss those fat cushy margins goodbye.

"it's better to be a pirate than join the navy." - Steve Jobs

I'm betting on:

16M ram (15M useful)
Virtual Graffiti area
66 Mhz CPU
MP3
Palm OS 4.1.2
$400

It will be interesting to see who will bring out the first "thin and light" OS 5 handheld (less than 0.51" and less than 5.1 oz.), PalmSG or Sony. If Sony sticks with the XScale, they could be at a slight disadvantage, since the current XScale system implementation requires an extra "bridge" chip which takes a little more space/volume.

Even though the Motorola MX1 ARM processor was the first one certified as "PalmOS Ready", we haven't seen the MX1 in a PalmOS product yet. The MX1 (plus a larger ROM) could be a drop in processor replacement in any of the current PalmOS units; and it looks to only cost a few bucks more than a 68k Dragonball. What would that be? An m525? Or ???

Didn't you know this?? A new Sony T is coming out soon.. It is called the PEG-TX65, running on OS 5.2, with virtual graffiti, MP3, 64mb RAM, ??recorder. You can check out this convincing picture here..

http://www.clieuk.co.uk/index.shtml

http://www.sonystyle.com.hk/clie/app/sj33/index.jsp

Here is some candy for the Sony lovers ;)

palm is still marketing os 4 for low end devices. Not everyone needs an ARM processor. This is just for the poeple who want a color organizer that plays mp3s...

I think it was pretty smart to keep both OS4 and OS5 devices around... that way they support both ends of the market- those who want the speed, video, games, etc, they get OS5, for those that want organizer features, get OS4. (currently all os5 devices are highend)- palms still making the transition.

This thing is going to be tough selling it against the iPaq 1910, but this will probably be around 200 bucks.

It can compete if:
-$250
-comes with that NZ90 software that let user see office file without conversion.
-assorted multimedia goodies. (probably free kinoma or skinable MP3 player)
-support new MS?

otherwise for more than $250 it's going to be a slow sell.

"Been itching to jump ship to PPC"
By all means, please do. There's plenty of room over here. ;)

Don't you miss the old days when I.M. Anonymous would jump in at this point and say that he was so excited about the flip cover he wet himself?

And that anyone who would jump to the PPC was an idiot.

And that you guys who all sit all day drooling over Sony's are pathetic.

And like that.....I miss that. This place seems so dull since I.M. left.

> "For that price, just buy a low-end Dell PPC. I dont see ANY justification in buying this device."

Ooh! That hurt! ;-)

Yeah, well this is a sore spot with me. Dell really hit the PDA market like a wrecking back, knocking over price expectations. Before the low-cost PPCs arrived, a $299 Sony Clie with built-in MP3 would have been an absolute BARGAIN! Now....it doesn't look all that competitive any longer. :-(

"it's better to be a pirate than join the navy." - Steve Jobs

...on the other hand there are thoose among us that have to pay the early adopter tax ;)

I think the wait is finally over. Sony TX65, the new sony T series PDA, running on Palm OS 5.2, with virtual graffiti, MP3, 64mb RAM!! You can see the proof of this picture yourself!!

http://www.clieuk.co.uk/index.shtml

Here is teh info that the original poster asked for:
http://www.sonystyle.com.hk/clie/app/sj33/index.jsp

however i totaly agree with agonistes .. just to give the mr. pete999 a brief info concerning main disadvanteges of hp ipaq 1910:
- no SDIO secure digital => momery only => forget all that funky stuff that are SD like BT, wifi, cameras, presentation tools, fm radio etc etc
- the connector at the bottom of the hp is for charging only= > it's cripled ! the pins for serialconnection are taken away! => forget all the accessiories for ipaq!
- non standard 2,5mm stereo jack
- from those 64mb ram are only 46mb user accessible, well it's stil a bunch but not for pocketpc stuff ;)
- not to mention only 16mb rom => no upgrade to the windows ce.net which is optimalised for xscale processors
i don't know how about you, but if i buy a pda i intend to have some possibility to expand it .. for my present pda i have got bunch of stuff i'm using with it .. keyboard, wifi cf card, extra serial port cf card (btw. does anyone of you tried to use tungsten and IrDA at the same time ? does it work ? whis one uart port only "bug" drives me crazy on palm os 4 devices), gps ..

Best PDA for whom? Best PDA ever doesn't make any sense, because people use them for such different needs that there isn't a one-size-fits all clear winner, nor is there one that works best across the board.

Let me make an example.

Why the Dell Axim is a horrid POS:
-Form factor is totally unacceptable.
-No bluetooth built in.
-Nav button is teetering on always breaking.
-No software I use runs on the PPC platform.
-No cradle for the cheaper version.
-It's a Dell, which means it's very possibly an overpriced (even at the low price level) and underpowered piece of machinery with crappy support, proprietary design, and 'dell attitude' inside.

Why the Dell Axim is the best:
-Very cheap for what you get.
-Replaceable battery.
-Decent screen.

If you read closely, you'll realize that the pros and cons come from totally different perspectives. One needs a PDA that's small and compact with built in connectivity options who's company relies mostly on PalmOS and internally built programs (me). The other needs a PDA that will last long and doesn't cost a lot (my roommate).

My roommate would find the Tungsten utterly useless (he has no BT devices, he uses no PalmOS progs, and he is gone for long periods of time without access to a charger), and I would find the Axim pointless without at least a BT card and a PalmOS emulator (not even feasible anymore with the recent in house built programs with OS5 hooks).

Don't be such fanboys. Buy what fits your needs, and get off the PALM SUXXORS! and/or PPC IS FOR L0S3RS! bandwagons. Do you all really need to justify your purchases THAT badly?

Look at things this way:

Dell is a well-off computer company. Dell doesn't really need to make millions of dollars off of their new handhelds. They just want to corner the PDA market like they've been doing with desktops and laptops. So they release these handhelds at the lowest price possible, even though they don't get a whole lot of profit.

Palm, however, isn't doing to well financially. Also, they ONLY makes handhelds. They can't afford to be releasing handhelds at dirt cheap prices, or else they'd be bankrupt...which isn't too far off from where they are now...but still...

If (or when) Dell starts making handhelds with the Palm OS, it's going to be interesting to see what's Palm going to do. Could you imagine a Palm OS PDA with a color screen at around $100-$150? Wowee!

(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)

Yeah, yeah, you want a cheap PDA go get a PPC and get out of this forum. Then Palm will vanish from YOUR market.

Did you sign off as *Stupid!* ?

11? Darn.. it usually should work out to 8 with 4x a year with 2 models.

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.

Georg,

There were 10 new Clies in 2002, so it wouldn't be too surprising to see a similar number this year.

I do find one thing curious about what you were told though. Because of the "Special Edition" T665C and SJ30 that were released, it seems likely that Sony doesn't necessarily do a single production run on every model...

... but regardless, it's hard to imagine - you'd think that they would need incredibly accurate sales estimates for each model for that scenario to work!

Cheers,

Dan

Yeah, that's a good perspective to apply :)

Heh, but I'm still mulling over how critical it is for these companies to have accurate sales forecasts...

Palm buying Sony? ha ha ha h a ha ha ha h ah ah ah ha.

If that happens, I'm gonna make an offer to buy the 49ers.

e740 and T|T

If SONY bought Palm, we might be forced to tolerate Memory Stick.

I think the T|T is too expensive to begin with...

Wait until the SJ33 specs come out, and then argue over price.

(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)

To correct my statement, I remember an identical comment made on a Palm Infocenter forum. I think it was on the Graffiti 2 discussion. I betting its from Palm.

I'd be surprised if Palm didn't release a new mid-range line soon. They've got the entry-level Zire and top-end T|T and an intermediate line that's getting long in the tooth.

A look at www.palmevolution.com shows it pretty clearly ;)

It'll be interesting to see what Palm counters with in the $200 - $300 class.

Straight from the Jot discussion:

"...Grafitti II later this year on a upcoming device running Palm OS 5.1.2."

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Anyone know what this device may be like... or when we'll be seeing it? Could influence my purchasing of a Tungsten|T.

Yes, but I can't disclose any details. I will say that it's a significant upgrade... good enough to change my upgrade plans completely. Already thinking about what to do with my beloved M515.
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Its a pity that the Garmin PDA is better, yet costs less. Estimating that the GPS reciever costs as much to make as the BT card, Garmin has a better feature set for less money. 320x480 res, better than Palm, and 32MB RAM, way better than Palm.

Yes, Sony may be selling, but it's selling based on name brand recognition and flash. What awdr pointed out is that Sony is king of proprietary formats - good for them, bad for everyone else (including the consumer). While Sony's have a good set of features, they get drowned out by the garbage they heap on top of it.

It's also typical Sony propaganda - for some reason, consumers seem to think Sony products are high end, when in reality, 90% of the time (especially in audio!) they are strictly middle of the line. It's all about shelf space and mind share. Sony knows how to wield those two like no one's business.