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RE: So, does this only work with the TT?
RE: So, does this only work with the TT?
RE: So, does this only work with the TT?
Decoding the format (MP3 or whatever) is best left for the ARM processor.. and if it is done in native ARM, should be plenty fast for the decode.
RE: So, does this only work with the TT?
RE: So, does this only work with the TT?
Sony didn't implement the OS 5 sampled sound manager on the NX; you can use the ARM CPU to decode mp3's, but there's no official way to get the results to the speaker.
RE: So, does this only work with the TT?
RE: So, does this only work with the TT?
> Decoding the format (MP3 or whatever) is best left for the ARM processor.
Not necessarily true. The C5XX DSP inside the OMAP might be able to do mp3 decoding faster and using less battery power than the ARM9 CPU. The DSP runs at a higher clock rate (200 MHz vs. 144 MHz) and has much faster multipliers. You could put mp3 playing in the background with much less of a slow down of the foreground app.
RE: So, does this only work with the TT?
Tony
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RE: So, does this only work with the TT?
This is wholly dependent on Palm SG. PalmSource has implemented an Extended sound call in OS 5.2 now which can offload both decode and play functions to a stream. However, it's up to the hardware makers to implement it for their hardware. If they updated their halsnd_dsplib to include support for MP3 and/or OGG decode and playback, then the software makers could update their MP3 players to support it.
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RE: Killed the cat
RE: Killed the cat
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RE: Killed the cat
OGG will not be "better" than MP3 until the majority of portable music players support OGG. The vast majority of consumers still use MP3, and regardless of audio encoding, MP3 is the standard.
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RE: Killed the cat
"AeroPlayer is the best. I have used Real beta and final and it sux. Aero has great skin support and playlist accessible right away. Pocket tunes has a bad playlist."
I would agree that AeroPlayer and Pocket Tunes are superior to the Real One Player. At the same time, I would pick Pocket Tunes over AeroPlayer.
With the latest version (1.7.2), Pocket Tunes supports playlists. In addition, Pocket Tunes is faster navigating through the playlists and changing playlists. I also like the options you have for accessing the control pad in Pocket Tunes while in other applications. Another big plus for me, Pocket Tunes does not crash when downloading messages on my TT using VersaMail via Bluetooth.
All in all, it is a matter of preference, but Pocket Tunes is worth a look. I prefer it! You might, too!
As always, just my humble opinion...
RE: Killed the cat
Prelimary Performance Comparison with Aeroplayer
I've performed a brief performance comparison of RealOne Player with AeroPlayer.
While playing music in background, the Aeroplayer consumes less CPU power and the foreground applications run much less chunky.
For one particular video clips, I played mp3 in background with each audio player and measures the playback performance of the Kinoma Player. Here's the result for one particular mp3 file and one particular video clip,
AeroPlayer RealPlayer
44.2fps 33fps
Tony
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RE: Prelimary Performance Comparison with Aeroplayer
No player: 275%
PocketTunes: 132%
RealPlayer: 90%
I don't have AeroPlayer right now but that was almost identical to PocketTunes.
Real's shortcoming is probably due to a low-pass filter that seems to cut off pretty much everything above 17kHz. See http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11760 for charts.
RE: Prelimary Performance Comparison with Aeroplayer
RE: Prelimary Performance Comparison with Aeroplayer
I've been cheated!! :-)
Seriously, how do I find out if there is stuff running in the background, that is slowing things down?
Dave
I am confused...
Did I miss something or is this just the official press rollout?
--Jon
RE: I am confused...
Has a couple of advantages
Hopefully they fix the performance issue and get on with adding video to the feature-set.
RE: Has a couple of advantages
I would feel happier if they also add the streaming features of audio files.
Tony
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So where is the Mac version?????
RE: So where is the Mac version?????
Us Mac users are strictly 3rd class citizens...
RE: So where is the Mac version?????
Why only audio?
This is a fine audio player for me, and I wouldn't pay for a better one, but I was expecting video playback.
The RealOne Mobile Player even plays video clips on the Nokia Communicator. Why not on my Tungsten|T?
RE: Why only audio?
Current gadgets: Palm Tungsten T, HP Ipaq h5455, Ericsson T68
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RE: Why only audio?
RE: Why only audio?
RE: Why only audio?
Yep - Tealmovie kind of blows by comparison. What i'm really waiting for is a player that will play avi & divx natively from the memory card. I'm sure we will see this soon - hopefully for free.
Real one leaves crud on your palm after being deleted
RealOne_RNWK_app size 84 b for certain
I was able to remove the file with a file management program but only after a soft reset. Guess they are having a tough time breaking old habits got to leave a foot print behind when they have been on your machine It's worth the money to regiter Areoplayer just to know these guys are not in my system.
RE: Real one leaves crud on your palm after being deleted
For me this is the main problem with th 345 file problenm: with 100 installed apps one would have 200 files already...
Am I right about this?
Streaming file capture?
Sound Volume Issues
Just got Real Player and the Palm T Audio patch. Quality is good, especially on 192k MP3's.
The only issue is that the sound volume doesn't go loud enough. On the train etc. it can be difficult to hear. Any ideas? Are there any third party apps that can amplify the volume. I know Aero Player has a +5db option. Has anyone used this feature??
Peter
RE: Sound Volume Issues
FYI - HotSync
44k MP3s click ....except in realplayer
Just to be wierd, I have found that any 44kHz MP3 played on aeroplayer or Pocket Tunes has random clicks etc. through it, while it plays OK on realplayer.
If I use a 22kHz MP3 it plays fine on all 3.
Anyone seen this problem with Aero or PT??
Is it just my TT?
RE: 44k MP3s click ....except in realplayer
RE: 44k MP3s click ....except in realplayer
I ran VFSmark and got a 48% file read result and an overall VFSmark of 92, for the old 8MB Sandisk card I was using.
No idea how that compares, but at least it gives me a benchmark when I go card shopping - has to be better than 92, otherwise I may have problems.
Thanks a lot for the tip.
Dave
RE: 44k MP3s click ....except in realplayer
Well, I've not seen scores on a wide range of MMC cards, but scores like you recieved would seem predestined to cause problems whenever it has to move a high rate of data. It also seems that the other major click and pop story I heard was from someone with an MMC card (although they never revealed their VFS scores).
"I ran VFSmark and got a 48% file read result and an overall VFSmark of 92, for the old 8MB Sandisk card I was using."
Ouch. Just as a point of reference, the _worst_ file read result I've had on my SD cards is 127% with the worst overall VFSMark being 179.
"No idea how that compares, but at least it gives me a benchmark when I go card shopping - has to be better than 92, otherwise I may have problems."
I would be looking for something significantly better than 92 if I were you. Lexar 256MB SD cards which run a score of ~211 overall are found at places like buy.com and ecost.com in the US$65 range.
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So, does this only work with the TT?