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New Sony Clie PDA Concept ~ Click For LargerSony showed off a new Clie/PDA concept at a management meeting in Japan. The new prototype has a clamshell like design, a camera and built in wireless. Sony has also lowered prices across the board on many of their US handhelds.
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That's neat looking!!

Fat_Man @ 5/28/2003 3:46:27 PM #
Hey first post...I think

Yeah, I saw this on Cliesource... this may be the new clie form factor line. I wonder if it will be 320x320 or 320x480?



KAY

RE: That's neat looking!!
gfunkmagic @ 5/28/2003 3:56:45 PM #
Considering the square looking screen, it most likely would be 320x320. But this thing looks sooo sweet. It looks like the ultimate portable device! Very cool!!!

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RE: That's neat looking!!
jbeedham @ 5/28/2003 4:33:55 PM #
This looks really cool based on the small size. If this plays mp3's Sony could have a winner on their hands.

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RE: That's neat looking!!
Foo Fighter @ 5/28/2003 4:37:03 PM #
Actually, gfunk, I believe the screen is rectangular, not square. It only looks square because of the angle it is being held.

RE: That's neat looking!!
Palm Cow @ 5/28/2003 4:48:16 PM #
Well, it looks like it is about 6 Sony-CEO-fingers long. Maybe 4"? I dunno. It's possible it's 320*480, but it would be cutting it close. *Close.*

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RE: That's neat looking!!
rsc1000 @ 5/28/2003 6:09:34 PM #
I really hope this is 320x480 - and with landscape support (it would have to have lansdcape with this design - i guess). I am assuming this has a keyboard. I have heard comparisons to Gameboy Advance SP. I think (considering this is a PDA) a better comparison is the Zaurus folding PDA line. This design makes more sense then the N series because the keyboard can be larger by using the space more effectively - no space wasted like on the N-series. I hope this has a keyboard like the new Zaurus AND it is 320x480. Would be perfect.

RE: That's neat looking!!
elo @ 5/28/2003 11:27:34 PM #
Almost positive it's square. We had a team look at the angle he was holding it and also measure his head for a sense of proportion. Our conclusion is that the photo itself is slightly horizonally streched and that the device has a square screen.

elo

RE: That's neat looking!!
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 12:02:43 AM #
That screen is SQUARE. "Landscape-oriented," my patootie! It's SQUARE, dammit! Hold it anydamnway you ant, it's still SQUARE!!

RE: That's neat looking!!
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 12:23:28 AM #
When I saw SQUARE, I *mean* SQUARE:

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/0528/sony_8.jpg

-- try to fool yourself into thinking it's NOT square, and you need some sort of prescription. And I don't mean glasses, either...

RE: That's neat looking!!
macfixer @ 5/29/2003 10:57:24 AM #
Yup -- it's rectangular!

http://www.pdaavenue.com/news/Images/newclie199.jpg

K

RE: That's neat looking!!
JKingGrim @ 5/29/2003 2:46:19 PM #
The form factor may be nice, but it has an ugly apearance to me. If they make it more sleek, I would like it better. I know an actual release would not look exactly like this, but still. Change it.

RE: That's neat looking!!
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 2:57:00 PM #
I no longer believe it is a CLIE. See my message way at the bottom here.

RE: That's neat looking!!
abosco @ 5/29/2003 9:10:32 PM #
The screen doesn't seem to be a touchscreen, either. It's possible it's an early alpha prototype of the PlayStation handheld gaming console due the end of next year. The screen looks somewhere between 320x320 and 320x480, so it's probably something totally different.

-Bosco
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It's not matter of looks though
xeniac @ 5/29/2003 11:09:41 PM #
I say the screen's kidna too small
Even though they say the smaller the better
I would prefer something bigger

I love PDAs
RE: That's neat looking!!
ray00pal @ 5/29/2003 11:42:25 PM #
This is certainly a nice super square-screen PDA. I am not sure about the white color around the screen. It sucks.

Hinge

abosco @ 5/28/2003 3:45:45 PM #
The hinge doesn't look too attractive at all. It looks like the Magellan antenna on either side of the hinge. Great idea, but it needs work.

This COULD fit into what I was trying to say on the last article in one thread.

Posted 5/27 at 4:50 by me:

"IMO, they should discontinue their whole product line and revamp it starting with a BETTER version of these new NX's. 400 MHz PXA255, 64 MB RAM, cameras in these NX's at $500 and $600 as well as Bluetooth and CF slots. Then, at $400, have a TG with VG and 400 MHz/64 MB. At $300, release a unit with a PXA255 at 200 MHz and 32 MB with another VG screen. At $200, go for a cheap ARM with a 200 MHz PXA255, 16 MB RAM, and a 320x320 transflective screen. Reduce the SJ22 closer to $100-150, and you'll have a killer lineup. Seriously, there wouldn't be one thing wrong with it."

This seems to resemble what I was talking about. Not only this, but I called a lot of the specs in what the new NX's should include (retractable CF, Bluetooth, more RAM, backlit keyboard, 1.3 MP camera, but not the processor).

Really, if Sony revamped their lineup like this with this new NZ replacement at the top... wow. How could they go wrong?

-Bosco
Proud Member of the Top Non-Mods

RE: Hinge
Pepper @ 5/28/2003 4:44:05 PM #
I second the hinge comment. Although i REALLY love the idea of a PDA that tiny, the hinge just doesn't do it for me. Its like the unit screams "look at me! im small, portable, cute and very modern"... but then once your eye wanders to the hinge its like "um, or maybe not"

I really do love the idea of making palms so tiny, but step #1 will be to either a) lose the hinge entirely or b) redesign so it is a smidge subtler.

Understandably, this isn't the final release unit, so they might fix it up a smidge

-Pepper

I love my Palm . . . do you?

RE: Hinge
rsc1000 @ 5/28/2003 6:15:20 PM #
No offence Bosco - but what the hell does yr previous wish list for a new Sony line up have to do with this device? The only thing we know about the new device is that it folds in landscape orientation - you never mentioned anything about this. Not to start an argument or nit-pick - but nothing about yr list has anything to do with this, aside from the fact that it is a new design (though not "a BETTER version of these new NX's" or a TG w/VG).

Again - i dont mean to pick or sound harsh - but we already have a mike caine / pseudo-prophet :)

RE: Hinge
abosco @ 5/28/2003 6:32:32 PM #
I didn't make it clear enough that I was referring to the price cuts on current models. It's pretty close to what I said, so I quoted it. Who knows, it might come true.

Oh great, you mentioned Mike. That's like asking for a pain in the ass.

-Bosco
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RE: Hinge
rsc1000 @ 5/28/2003 6:35:47 PM #
>>Oh great, you mentioned Mike. That's like asking for a pain in the ass.

LOL!

RE: Hinge
abosco @ 5/28/2003 8:06:21 PM #
I see the error of my ways. Mike will come in and rip me a new one, so allow me to make ammends:

Mike, you still rule. Wifi is the best. Screw Bluetooth. H2200 series all the way. I want a beginning/end button in Memo Pad.

That should cover it.

-Bosco
Proud Member of the Top Non-Mods

RE: Hinge
Tungsten @ 5/28/2003 8:26:25 PM #
The screen is hinged from the long side, just like the Sharp C700. This design should be much sturdier than the NR/X/Z. I'm glad Sony makes devices for everyone - not just for some idiot's wishlist.

RE: Hinge
daihung @ 5/28/2003 10:19:44 PM #
First question is, where is the Camera? on the hinge? Where? is it like NX/NZ factor that rotate?
ps: if you look at the other picture on Cliesource, you might see that there's a little black circle on the top left side under the screen, that might be the camera too (so the camera is facing us instead of pointing out). But that's a stupid way to place a camera (unless it's dual cameras!! :)

If the Camera is on the hinge, then you CAN'T make the hinge smaller. Check the NX80, it's the smallest they can get. So if you think about it, that hinge actually house the entire camera unit, it's not that big.

Second question, how's the camera position? like the traditional NX/NZ factor? OR (this is intersting) is on the tip of the hinge? (so len is acutally pointing to the side of the machine)

Why this would be interesting? because if the camera is on the tip of the hinge, we can 1) open the screen 90 degree, 2) twist the screen half way. Now, we have a Camcorder like machine. You hold up the Clie sideway, and you can use the screen as a view finder.

The Panasonic P2102v cell phone in Japan actually has this twist, quite interesting.

http://panasonic.jp/mobile/p2102v/index.html (in japanese)

I don't have a cell phone, I only have a P800

RE: Hinge
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 12:04:33 AM #
>>Really, if Sony revamped their lineup like this with this new NZ replacement at the top... wow. How could they go wrong?

-- by listening to YOU! Who the eff WANTS this pissant little thing? The Powerpuff Girls?

(And, yes, Bosco, old bean, I saw your PITA comment. Traitor! *YOU* are probably BlueAnon, you wanker! Talking to yourself! God knows what else you do to yourself... and He can *keep* that disgusting knowledge too!)

(And it's spelled CANE, you dimwits.)

RE: Hinge
abosco @ 5/29/2003 8:58:06 PM #
Yeah, notice this thread was started by me saying the hinge was pug ugly. It needs redesigning. With the right specs and a slicker design, it could easily be the handheld dream of people who have always wanted a landscape model like an HPC or Zaurus with the comfort of Palm OS and still a 2 MP camera.

And I agree with you on several tough issues and you repay me by calling me a wanker??? And a dimwit for something I didn't say??? Damn you, good sir.

How dare you call me ska. Shall I start the marquee?

-Bosco
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RE: Hinge
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 9:12:19 PM #
Oh, geez, not the marquee!!

RE: Hinge
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 9:12:58 PM #
And who called who a pain in the wheresis?!

And it's a SQUARE screen, dammit! There's nothing landscape about it, period.

And I don't even believe it's a CLIE, neither.

RE: Hinge
abosco @ 5/29/2003 9:17:29 PM #
Actually, I meant no harm by calling you a pain in the blank. I was actually trying to say it would be a pain in the blank for him to have to deal with you since he ripped on you good. I reread my post, realized it made ME look bad, and that's why I posted again referring to SEVERAL things I agree with you on to avoid exactly this. That was the point, damn it. Do I have to bold, italicize, underline, AND marquee to get the message across this time?

"And I don't even believe it's a CLIE, neither."

Read up. Neither do I. It's up in the air.

-Bosco
Proud Member of the Top Non-Mods

RE: Hinge
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 9:24:00 PM #
Oh, stop groveling, dammit. You're so freaking insincere it ruins the pleasure.

RE: Hinge
abosco @ 5/29/2003 9:27:41 PM #
It's pretty hard to be sincere in text without having to resort to girly AOL lingo.

Is that what you want from me? Girly AOL lingo?

Reread the thread.

-Bosco
Proud Member of the Top Non-Mods

RE: Hinge
UZI4U182 @ 5/31/2003 1:29:28 PM #
The Moon is made of cheese.

UZI4U182@suscom.net
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WiFi setup coming soon...

is it just me...

calamari @ 5/28/2003 3:51:03 PM #
Or does this thing look alot lilke the Gameboy Advance SP.

Anything that gets away form the current brick of a form factor that Sony uses is good with me.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

RE: is it just me...
iebnn @ 5/30/2003 5:21:02 AM #
hehe calamari, I bought a GBASP.

my nx isnt a brick, it's clamshell (means no need for a case) and is 320x480 :( the NZ is a brick

Thumboardmania

robrecht @ 5/28/2003 4:11:49 PM #
Yeah cool ... but I'm so tired of SONY's obsession with thumboards.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Thumboardmania
robrecht @ 5/28/2003 4:13:29 PM #
Me again. Think about how much smaller and cooler this could be without those hinges.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Thumboardmania
robrecht @ 5/28/2003 4:15:55 PM #
Of course the thumboard is great for a gameboy, but who needs a gameboy after 6th grade.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Thumboardmania
bcombee @ 5/28/2003 4:18:48 PM #
I do. I really like my Game Boy Advanced SP, which works very well as a gaming device. The clamshell also helps protect the screen and controls, reducing the need for a case.

Here at Metrowerks, we have lots of people using PageWriters, which are small and rugged two-way pagers with a clamshell design, and they seem to like those fairly well.

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RE: Thumboardmania
abosco @ 5/28/2003 4:21:09 PM #
Actually on this one, I would imagine you could touchtype. It would be a little cramped, but you could fit in a lot more text than with a thumbboard.

They just need to redesign it a little bit, and it'll be ready for primetime.

-Bosco
Proud Member of the Top Non-Mods

RE: Thumboardmania
robrecht @ 5/28/2003 4:36:51 PM #
I know I got a little carried away. Does this thing have a pill box for lithium? I know how popular those Blackberries are in the corporate world too. I just wish SONY would release a high-end PDA without a thumboard. I apologize to all 6th graders.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Thumboardmania
rsc1000 @ 5/28/2003 6:24:58 PM #
Think - new Zaurus clamshell - not gameboy advance sp. The space is not wasted like on the current N series - so you caould have a larger 'touch type-ish' keyboard like on the new Zaurus:

http://www.sibelle.info/gadgets/fold.htm

I would love to have that form-factor for a PalmOS device. The only way the N-series clamshell / keyboard design would have made sense is if they used that vaste tract of real-estate below the keyboard for a decent D-Pad. Alas - they wasted it.

RE: Thumboardmania
robrecht @ 5/28/2003 8:59:24 PM #
BTW, the new Zauri are now available at dynamism.com I seriously considered the Zauri but it sounds as if the one-time sync work-around with MS Outlook is way too complicated. More on point, I don't think I could ever touch type on such a small keyboard--I have trouble with the tiny laptops. I'd prefer a detachable keyboard cover like on the Samsung Nexio S160 to the Zaurus.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Thumboardmania
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 7:37:24 PM #
Funny you should mention the Z. I just tried it (the CL-700; well, it had no battery power, just having been taken out of the box) here in NYC at User's Side (down the block from DataVision). I liked the keyboard; which is more than I can say for the keyboards of the Tungtens and Treos. I wouldn't want to do full paragraphs on it, but I'd rather be forced to use it than the keyboards of the other two.

RE: Thumboardmania
robrecht @ 5/29/2003 8:02:35 PM #
That's what I figured. Have you ever tried the Nexio?

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Thumboardmania
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 8:14:48 PM #
I saw a mono version of the Nexio at the last PC Expo. But my attention was being taken up by other, color, PDAs. So, even though it was there, I didn't try it. I don't even know that the mono one had any sort of keyboard. Did it?

It's seems to be a nice unit, looking at pictures -- but isn't it just too large for a pocket?

RE: Thumboardmania
robrecht @ 5/29/2003 8:34:33 PM #
Yeah, it's big, but the screen looks great. I only brought it up as a better way to incorporate a superminikeyboard (but not thumboard) than the new SONY Sharpalike design. Take a look over at:

http://www.dynamism.com/nexio/index.shtml


Thanks, robrecht

RE: Thumboardmania
robrecht @ 5/29/2003 8:44:00 PM #
PS: You'll like the integrated WiFi
RE: Thumboardmania
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 9:59:19 PM #
Yes, I saw the Dynamism stuff moons ago, and just tonight when I was looking at their Z info.

For me, the Nexio is just too big. It'd be like the Newton: nice, but I can't fit it in my shirt pocket. That said, I'll probably drool all over the ones people own when I see them in person...

I n t e r e s t i n g D e s i g n s

Fahad429 @ 5/28/2003 4:02:07 PM #
Seems like companies are on the verge of trying to find a product-design that could become a new culture in the PDA market. One thing I am looking forward to is something that has widely been used in Hollywoord movies. I am talking about the one where you can wear the computer on your fore-arm, close to your hand! It would be so cool! We won't even have to dig into our pockets anymore!!! :) *drool*

RE: I n t e r e s t i n g D e s i g n s
LanMan @ 5/28/2003 5:17:27 PM #
I'm afraid that the geek-factor for that would be too much for my office. And we are a software developer!

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Part-time computer science teacher
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RE: I n t e r e s t i n g D e s i g n s
rsc1000 @ 5/28/2003 6:31:03 PM #
>>I'm afraid that the geek-factor for that would be too much for my office. And we are a software developer!

Yeah - that and i would like to continue enjoying the company of the opposite sex:) This would be cool - but for now its a little too 'geek' for this world.

RE: I n t e r e s t i n g D e s i g n s
Fahad429 @ 5/28/2003 8:25:11 PM #
LOL! Well yes the "geekness" does play a role! Having said that, I do think that in the recent years we have started to look at technology in a non-geeky fashion. Not too long ago, a person carrying a PDA was "supposidly" a geek as he would stand out from the crowd. But NOW, having a PDA is considered something "cool".

Keeping that in mind, I think with a bit of mettalic shiny surface, a sweet screen, and an overall "futuristic" look, I think that sort of a product just might sell! Of course, the businessmen may not go for it because they may have to roll up their $10,000 suits' sleeve to get in on the action, but for the casual person who runs around all day in jeans (majorly students) it will be a hot item! *fingers crossed* Either that or I need to stop pondering about the future so much!! :)

RE: I n t e r e s t i n g D e s i g n s
LanMan @ 6/5/2003 5:50:08 PM #
Okay, here's your computer-up-your-sleeve:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/030605/168/4azix.html&e=8

Full-time computer network engineer
Part-time computer science teacher
Christian till the end-of-time <><

Buttons?

kevdo @ 5/28/2003 6:08:43 PM #
Anyone have info on the hardware buttons? Sony hasn't had a very good track record in this regard and the photo doesn't exactly show them...

-Kevin Crossman

My guess

ray00pal @ 5/28/2003 6:34:31 PM #
1. We get to view the display from both sides. I don't know why you want to do that but why not?
2. A "+" shaped key for gaming.
3. A lager key pad in lanscape orientation, or fill it with more programable keys. Why have any sinlge place with no keys on a PDA?
4. How about get rid of all keys. Have it ALL replaced by touch screen. So, two screens for one PDA.
5. Fit two AAA batteries in the hinge.
6. Voice control.
7. Integrated cell phone function.

RE: My guess
rsc1000 @ 5/28/2003 6:49:09 PM #
>>1. We get to view the display from both sides. I don't know why you want to do that but why not?

Why not? I can think of 1 reason - it would suck down batteries faster then any PDA in existance.

RE: My guess
ray00pal @ 5/28/2003 9:55:32 PM #
I was talking about having a transparent display, so that you don't flip the thing. We have seen this done for LCD clock so maybe it can happen to PDA. It can be useful for presentation or just to look cool.

RE: My guess
iebnn @ 5/30/2003 5:27:43 AM #
that would be terrible, one side would be mirrored. Plus, you could see through it. Plus, the big hinge is probably for the camera. AAA batteries would be awful, this thing is going to have a rechargable lithium battery. and a touch screen can only handle one point being pressed at a time, so using it as a controller wouldnt work. Also, it would be terrible since you'd have to constantly look at the controller screen to see if you still have your thumbs on the dpad and the right buttons (since you cant feel them).

For the Smallest Palm...

Gekko @ 5/28/2003 6:54:31 PM #
1. keep the 1/2 of the clam with the screen.
2. nix the hinge.
3. nix any hardware buttons - i don't need them.
4. nix any D-pad or up/down rocker/ - i don't need it.
5. nix any hard grafitti area - i don't need it.
6. add a jog-dial - i'll use that to navigate.

do you really need hardware buttons, up down rocker, hard-graffiti??? I'll sacrifiice all 3 if they can make a Palm the width/length of of a closed TT but with 320x480 screen (you use the space of where the TT's D-pad and hard-buttons for screen). (I'm not a gamer - strictlyy buusineess). Any flaws in this proposed device?

Would anyone be interested in this?


RE: For the Smallest Palm...
Satan @ 5/28/2003 8:04:37 PM #
Since that design would make sense to a lot of professionals (especially with a non-crippled CompactFlash slot), it will be the last possible permutation made by Sony. Right after the 8 inch, 3 pound clamshell model with built-in full sized folding keyboard, DVD player, surround sound speakers with subwoofer and ice cube dispenser.

Right now Sony designers feel that *bling* *bling* geegaws outweigh Palm Vx-type minimalism. But since they're putting out PDAs at the rate of one a month now, eventually they'll come up with this combination. Except it will be neon orange and will be discontinued a week later.

Don't hold your breath.

RE: For the Smallest Palm...
kevdo @ 5/28/2003 8:44:28 PM #
>nix any hardware buttons - i don't need them.
>nix any D-pad or up/down rocker/ - i don't need it.

Are you high?

I love using the D-pad on the new Zire. Sure jogdials are cool but to go without a Palm standard up/down is crazy. Especially for a device claiming to be "entertainment" (e.g. Games) centric. That's why Sony should be raked over the coals at every opportunity until they release a Clie with decent hardware buttons!

-Kevin Crossman

RE: For the Smallest Palm...
Satan @ 5/28/2003 9:10:58 PM #
If Sony wants to sell PDAs to the professional market, they should look at why the Palm V stuck a chord with this group of buyers. Small, thin, light, with understated styling.

At this point, Sony could easily put together a PDA slightly narrower than a Palm V, with a 320 x 480 screen. Include expansion slot(s) but nothing else that doesn't compromise this configuration. If buttons fit then include them, but otherwise keep it simple. Put it in a black metal case like IBM's Workpad c3 and include a Word/Excel companion, email program, browser and no other third party applications. Release it as a member of the new "Sony Professional Series" and see what happens.

RE: For the Smallest Palm...
robrecht @ 5/28/2003 9:14:20 PM #
"Would anyone be interested in this?"

You and me and everyone else in the 7th grade.


Thanks, robrecht

RE: For the Smallest Palm...
flevy @ 5/29/2003 9:43:50 AM #
Satan is describing the Palm that would make me upgrade from my m500: Palm V form factor with the 6.0 OS with VG, document software, some kind of wireless connection and a voice recorder. The no-gimmick form factor and solid feel are worth more to me than keyboards, the ability to get e-mail, take pictures, stir fry vegetables, etc. But it may be that there are only a dozen other people who see the world in the same way.


RE: For the Smallest Palm...
Gekko @ 5/29/2003 10:34:52 AM #
flevy - upgrade from your m500 already! do your part to help the economy and spend some damn money! And greyscale is soooooo 90's!!!

http://www.palm.com/products/handhelds/zire71/



RE: For the Smallest Palm...
Gekko @ 5/29/2003 10:38:44 AM #
sorry I meant this one

http://www.palm.com/products/handhelds/tungsten-t/



RE: For the Smallest Palm...
flevy @ 5/29/2003 1:52:03 PM #
Hey, Gekko - What can I say -I'm a 90s kind of guy. But I think this points to the problem: for routine users like me, even OS 4 works so well (with a few add-on programs) that upgrading is a marginal decision that competes with about 500 other other non-necessities.

This is why the $99 Zire seemed like a sensible way to expand - once you have sold to most of the higher end users, lower the price and bring reach a new market segment.

RE: For the Smallest Palm...
Gekko @ 5/29/2003 2:31:44 PM #
you don't realize what you're missing until you own hi-res color.

RE: For the Smallest Palm...
bleedingedge @ 5/29/2003 3:11:25 PM #
Thank you Gekko. I think you are right on with the form factor you describe. I use my palm as a peripheral brain at the hospital. I can't seem to upgrade past my m505 because of all the extra crap (no other word for it) Palm and Sony add to an otherwise fine device! A thumboard??? Camera??? NO! Just give me clean lines, no moving parts, VG, BT, 802.11, 320x480 and card slot for my large medical reference databases. Why is this so difficult to understand?

If I were to buy one of the Sony Palm Entertainment Centers (NX, NV, etc) and try to carry it in a little holster on my hip, my scrub pants would be around my ankles from the sheer weight of the damn thing!

RE: For the Smallest Palm...
hotpaw4 @ 5/29/2003 4:50:56 PM #
The smallest Palm will have a 160x160 standard res display, because that will allow the use of the thinnest li-ion battery, while still giving reasonable battery life. A hires+VG display requires 6 times more power to refresh, and 50% more power to backlight.

Be careful of what you ask for, or you may get it (a very thin 320x480 64 MB 400 MHz CPU dual slot dual wireless handheld... with room for a battery that will last only 12 minutes)

RE: For the Smallest Palm...
iebnn @ 5/30/2003 5:35:31 AM #
I hope you know that sony creates their devices for certain markets, and you're obviously not included in their target audiences. Don't complain that sony doesn't make your kind of device (something completely different from what they've been making) -- get a device from a different manufacturer.

The Next Best Selling Clie...

Sid_Sid @ 5/28/2003 8:30:48 PM #
Would have the T665 form with a 320x480 VG screen. I've read this desire in several different places, if only Sony would listen.

RE: The Next Best Selling Clie...
rsc1000 @ 5/28/2003 9:15:29 PM #
>>Would have the T665 form with a 320x480 VG screen. I've read this desire in several different places, if only Sony would listen.

Several different places? I've read this everyplace that the words 'sony' and 'pda' come up:)

Looks similar to their picture book viao series laptops

Gizmo Geek @ 5/28/2003 9:18:09 PM #
In my opinion, I think they have a winner considering that it looks to have a similar design to their Picture Book laptop series. If it is the same design then the batteries would be hidden in the hinge and maybe have a thumb board where the screen has a landscape view. This would definately be cool for word process and spreadsheets.

Sony's latest baloney

mikecane @ 5/29/2003 12:09:04 AM #
What nitwit came up with this pathetic thing? No doubt some dolt who's going to have a nice corner office (that's a *demotion* in Japan).

Where's the bloody 320x480 screen with built-in WiFi and a *good* stylus (not these toothpicks -- or are they earpicks?)?

What is this tiny thing? Something to stuff in the stocking for the chillllldren come Xmas? Please!

RE: Sony's latest baloney
Fahad429 @ 5/29/2003 2:16:28 AM #
HAHA! Yea that is the first thing I thought when I looked at this picture. But if you look at the full size picture (the link of which can be found in the article), this "dinky" little thing doesn't look too dinky afterall.

I guess its just one of the several designs that the companies are trying to come up with to see what the consumer market needs. This one is just way too small. I have a T|T and I love it as far as the size go. Maybe this product's target market are the young ones who are still into game boy and things like that? Who knows.

RE: Sony's latest baloney
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 12:02:56 PM #
Sony's been playing a creepy me-too game which is beneath them. Word comes out about the Garmin unit, Sony suddenly offers GPS attachmenst for their CLIEs. They get wind of the TungT and they come out first with their short, squat and ugly SJs/SLs. Now we have a Gameboy-like form factor.

Hey Sony, why not do Garmin *again* by releasing a frigging 320x480 all-in-one with WiFi built-in?! It's not like we haven't been asking overandoverandover...

Oh, I see: *Palm SG* will do it first. Fine. Better! *They* know how to do English-language fonts.

Sony's PSP Uber Alles strategy

mikecane @ 5/29/2003 12:26:36 AM #
Your dinky CLIE is nothing but a drone for the PSP:

http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp/news/2003/05/28/09g.jpg

-- and your Windows-based PC is about to be assimilated:

http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp/news/2003/05/28/09h.jpg

Resistance is Futile.

Remember that.

Now bow and go away.

Isn't it possible...

wendo @ 5/29/2003 11:24:02 AM #
Isn't it possible that this design concept is not a Clie at all but the rumored Sony portable gaming device meant to compete with the Gameboy Advance SP? Seems possible.

RE: Isn't it possible...
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 12:05:43 PM #
See

http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp/news/2003/05/28/09h.jpg

-- what is this Pocket Station?!

RE: Isn't it possible...
JonAcheson @ 5/29/2003 12:43:02 PM #
That seems unlikely. The portable PlayStation is a one-spindle design that uses a mini-DVD drive for game storage. I could be wrong, but I don't see how it's going to fit into that little device AND have space for a decent battery.

And if the battery life isn't there, the portable PlayStation is doomed.

Plus, the portable Playstation has a 16:9 screen, which this doesn't seem to have.

Jon Acheson



"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: Isn't it possible...
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 7:13:28 PM #
You are thinking of the *PSP*.

http://news.com.com/2100-1043-1001279.html

Look at that slide. There's a Pocket Station listed. I think that photo is it.

http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp/news/2003/05/28/09h.jpg

RE: Isn't it possible...
fulmer @ 5/29/2003 10:58:57 PM #
the pocket station is a small greyscale game machine similar to the keychain pokeman games that were popular about 2 yrs ago.
RE: Isn't it possible...
mikecane @ 5/30/2003 10:00:56 AM #
Get outta town! Sony would really put out a *mono* game unit in a marketplace crowded with *color* units.

RE: Isn't it possible...
JonAcheson @ 5/30/2003 1:35:13 PM #
Mike, THIS is the PocketStation:

http://www.toysnjoys.com/access_psx/pocketstation.jpg

It's Sony's answer to the Dreamcast VMU, a combination memory card and el cheapo handheld that you can download games to from the Playstation console.

It only ever came out in Japan.

Jon Acheson


"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: Isn't it possible...
fulmer @ 5/31/2003 7:32:35 AM #
that picture is almost actual size
Mike Cane is **WRONG**!!
mikecane @ 6/1/2003 12:09:33 AM #
My God! The PocketStation was only released in -- gasp! -- JAPAN?!

RE: Isn't it possible...
mikecane @ 6/1/2003 11:29:20 PM #
So, where are the jackals?! I've been away for close to 24 housr and expected a litany of ridicule.

God, you people are getting old and stodgy. (Or have I been missing something good on TV?)

Sony Shows New PDA Concept: Lowers Prices!

RAMdŽd @ 5/29/2003 12:54:17 PM #
That's what that headline should have read.

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RE: Sony Shows New PDA Concept: Lowers Prices!
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 12:57:59 PM #
Sony Shows New PDA Concept: Fonts That Don't Suck

-- ah, still in the future...

That's *NOT* a CLIE!

mikecane @ 5/29/2003 2:43:08 PM #
OK, I've looked at the photos again. And I've changed
my mind completely.

I will go all the way out on a limb and state that this is NOT a CLIE. ALL the reports -- including the one here at PIC -- are WRONG.

This is not a CLIE, was never meant to be a CLIE, and just because it has a camera in a CLIE-like swivel, everyone assumed it was a CLIE.

That black area is not a flip-lid, it is a cover for the screen with mild magnifying properties.

This is NOT a CLIE. It is Sony's "Pocket Station."

See this slide:

http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp/news/2003/05/28/09h.jpg


RE: That's *NOT* a CLIE!
radleyp @ 5/29/2003 4:46:16 PM #
The two images, the one posted earlier here by Ryan and this one posted by you, are not, IMO, identical. Your case is NOT proven, but then neither is PIC's. radleyp

RE: That's *NOT* a CLIE!
fulmer @ 5/29/2003 11:04:41 PM #
The Japanese article specifically says Clie. This is a prototype Clie. The press conf was talking about many things, not just the Clie. Mike, the picture you showed was part of a different section of the press conf.
RE: That's *NOT* a CLIE!
fulmer @ 5/29/2003 11:07:38 PM #
to be more specific, the caption under the image says

"The CLIE new terminal under development was also announced at the briefing session."

Is this really a Clie?

radleyp @ 5/29/2003 4:42:45 PM #
Your Mike Cane is at present going crazy on the WOYP site with claims that this is NOT a Clie at all, but rather some kind of portable play station. Are you sure that it is a Clie? radleyp

RE: Is this really a Clie?
gfunkmagic @ 5/29/2003 6:27:43 PM #
Your listening to what Mike Cane says! LOL!! :)

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RE: Is this really a Clie?
enjolras @ 5/29/2003 6:52:39 PM #
I actually agree. I think this thing is the 'PocketStation' portion of the Playstation home entertainment line up.

I think it's sort of the portable brains between the portable and fixed entertainment consoles Sony is planning on bringing to market.

RE: Is this really a Clie?
mikecane @ 5/29/2003 7:10:24 PM #
Radley, pal, I am not "their" Mike Cane. And I resent your characterization of my post in that list.

And I will be proven right.

RE: Is this really a Clie?
radleyp @ 5/30/2003 10:39:36 AM #
Mike, you have, as you can see above, already been proven wrong.

And if I characterized your comments as I did, it's that I, a Clie owner (615) who would welcome a new small OS5/6 unit, do not understand the intensity with which you are making your statements. Is this really that important? radleyp

RE: Is this really a Clie?
mikecane @ 6/1/2003 12:10:41 AM #
I have been proven WRONG on this point!!

It is a new CLIE.

See abosco? I've led you astray. Serves you right for those marquees...

RE: Is this really a Clie?
abosco @ 6/1/2003 3:55:56 AM #
My savior was wrong?

Err...

Damn it Mike, you were wrong again. You hit a drafty cold spell and it's blowing my way as well.

Wow. I really need some sleep.

-Bosco
Proud Member of the Top Non-Mods

New PDA

jmccullough @ 5/29/2003 11:53:49 PM #
I have to admit that it looks way cool, even though I generally don't like the clamshell design. My problem is that It appears that they are abandoning graffitti or VG completely for a keyboard. I don't know this for sure, but I don't se them putting two touch-sensitive screens on the same unit.

RE: New PDA
trayip @ 6/1/2003 7:45:44 PM #
it's not a pda, hehe, don't u read the previous posts?

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