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RE: First Post!
Great Reivew!!
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Nice review
One Palm to rule them all!
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Thanx
RE: First Post!
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RE: Oh yea!!!
Hey, what I'd really like to see is an external sled that gives me a compact flash card slot! Then I could plug in the wi-fi card of my choice.
Wi-Fi is *not* missing.
A self-powered sled would be a great option.
RE: Oh yea!!!
It called the Guyver sled:
http://www.hotsync.com.hk/guyver.htm
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RE: Oh yea!!!
RE: Oh yea!!!
Palm says:
"Stay productive in the office, at your favorite HotSpot, or at home with built-in Wi-Fi:"
Are they using Wi-Fi in some new sense?
RE: Oh yea!!!
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RE: Oh yea!!!
As for the additional power consumption, my personal app for WiFi is around the house, lounging on the couch on in bed--I keep Palm chargers at both spots. I'd like to be able to do light Web surfing and to control my Audiotron through its Web server.
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I take it that's too high?!
RE: Oh yea!!!
Promotion Price: US$160 (Till 30/June/2003
TOO MUCH.
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I am simply happy with my T|T1. Best PDA ever made. With Jot Complete, SlideFree and McPhling, I never open my slider except to do a reset. Add a good launcher and mp3 software and it is the best organizer package around for the size, price and features.
Just need a good BT phone (may just opt for Treo 600 instead) and either the WiFi SD card w/ memory or that PDA Case with the WiFi built in
RE: Oh yea!!!
If the battery is 900mAh and the card uses 15mA (just standing by) that would give 3600 seconds (900*3600/15)????
Is that right?
RE: Oh yea!!!
I take it that's too high?!"
According to a table in that davespda.com review that I cited, it's exactly 100 times the power draw of a normal SD memory card.
"How would you estimate the batterylife with the Sandisk-Card?"
I'm not sure whether your estimate is correct or not. Personally, I would try not to leave the card plugged into the PDA when not using it. I'd only need it for 5 or 10 minutes at a time.
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Thanks, robrecht
RE: Oh yea!!!
I don't see you saying, "who needs a backlight that idles at 75-100 mA". It's just the cost of doing business, so to speak.
But nevermind the idling consumption. When actively transmitting, both Bluetooth and WiFi SD cards are going to use 75-300mA, depending on the card, with the majority between 100 and 200.
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As for preferring using Bluetooth with a phone for data, I'd actually like both options. The WiFi is for use on my wireless LAN, not random hotspots outside.
RE: Oh yea!!!
> Well, I don't know about the middle of nowhere but I still need a POTS modem on my frequent 3-day weekends in the Adirondacks!
Infrared travel modem. You can find them on eBay. Advantage is that one modem will work with any Palm or Sony model (OS3 or newer). You still need to be near a phone jack to use one.
RE: Oh yea!!!
and finally our wait is over!
On the other hand don't you think it is kind of strange that Sony never sold the 320x480 screen in a tablet shape and only after Palm has done so they are going to sell it? (wait a couple of weeks to see what I'm talking about)
On the other hand I apreciate the core PIM improvements, but I wonder if those changes will be backward compatible?
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RE: and finally our wait is over!
I seriously doubt we will ever see an OS upgrade for T|T's, and perhaps not even the T2. pa1mOne is a hardware company now who wants to sell more PDAs, not give people a reason to keep what they have. Just like the PPC makers who didn't release Windows Mobile 2003 for their older models, pa1mOne is using planned obsolescence to get us to buy new (even when the current hardware can support an OS upgrade).
Can someone tell me why upgradeable flash-ROM is still even a selling point? I can't afford $400 every year just to stay current, but I'd be willing to pay $50 for a worthy OS improvement.
RE: and finally our wait is over!
Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: and finally our wait is over!
It also makes users feel more confident in a manufacturer to know that they are not going to be abandoned when the next device starts shipping. That has to count for something in buyer's eyes! I know Sony has developed a reputation for not supporting any real upgrades and in theory that would preclude people from buying their devices, don't you think?
RE: and finally our wait is over!
The margin on OS upgrades has actually got to be pretty good. I would bet the PalmSource would help it's licensees to put together an upgrade. I also thought PIC had a comment from Pa1mOne saying they would support upgrades to OS6.
RE: and finally our wait is over!
RE: and finally our wait is over!
RE: and finally our wait is over!
If you feel the need to have the latest PDA all the time thats your problem. Until a month or two ago, I was still using a IIIxe.
Hmmm. So SONY is finaly comming out with a VG tablet huh? Are you a beta tester, A3? Somehow, I don't think it will compete with the T3. SONY's work is to proprietary and over priced.
RE: and finally our wait is over!
Unfortunately I only have 10MB of RAM available. I loaded all of my Mapopolis maps on the handheld and it sucked all my memory. I wish that Palm would come out with a T3 with 128MB or 256MB of RAM...sigh
Ugh, the slider
The Slider!
It makes no sense. The point of the slider on the older TT models is to hide the grafiti area when you didn't need it. NOW, however, if I'm not using grafiti, I want to be able to fit more on the screen!
Leaving it open all the time is a pain and a complete waste of space.
RE: Ugh, the slider
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The T|E as is killer competition for any PPC, as it already has a 33% larger display in terms of pixel count than any of them.
RE: Ugh, the slider
I don't see the need for the slider. The Clie Sj30 series is the same size as a closed Tungsten and does not hides the graffity area.
Palm could have made it small without the need for a slider.
RE: Ugh, the slider
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-Jonathan.
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RE: Ugh, the slider
www.departmentofcomfort.com
RE: Ugh, the slider
RE: Ugh, the slider
Palm could have made it small without the need for a slider"
Hmmm. Sony's keys are very much smaller, though (the keypad area is probably one third as long)--I like the T3's big keypad.
Not crazy about the slider but I can live with it.
RE: Ugh, the slider
"Leaving it open all the time is a pain and a complete waste of space."
You just answered your own question.
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RE: Ugh, the slider
RE: Ugh, the slider
"I hate to beat a dead horse. But what I want is a Tungsten E (E2?), tablet style, flip cover, soft Graffitti with status bar, portrait or landscape mode, 64MB ram, replaceable battery, and Bluetooth (don't need Wi-Fi or keyboard)."
Actually, that spec is already available - but not in english PalmOS. It's called Lenovo Pam168. Only avail in China though.
http://appserver.lenovo.com/Product/Product_PDA/Product_detail.asp?productid=1833
RE: Ugh, the slider
(if someone gets in my way, I will use them as my stool)
Forgive my typos, its just way too early
A Palm in one hand is worth 2 PocketPCs
: )
-Steve B.
RE: Ugh, the slider
No, that's not what I want. I want to have a 320x480 screen visible all the time. That's not a PPC.
Use the space created by eliminating the extra casing required by the slider and put a smaller row of buttons on the bottom edge. The T3 reconfigures the buttons to look like the PPC making that impossible. So I don't want that either.
Simply put, I want a large screen in a small case.
RE: Ugh, the slider
RE: Ugh, the slider
ARM, pah, wide screen, pah-
what's next, customizable resolution?
windows?
RE: Ugh, the slider
Hope that palm drops the slider soon. What a impractical idea. Very strange.
RE: Ugh, the slider
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RE: CNET coverage
Decisions, decisions. Choice is a good thing 8-).
Will be bashed for it's battery
Scott
RE: Will be bashed for its battery
RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
Note also different iPAQ series uses different battery sizes/shape. I rather have the Power2Go solution where I can charge up future Palm PDAs with the UC. But that's just my opinion. I will gladly take a T/T3 with or without removable battery since its not on my must have list of improvements (the screen was, the processor was and the memory was). Seeing how Palm SG manages to improves on future models maybe the T/T4 or T5 will have removable battery and/or (hopefully) WiFi. Using WiFi on the TC was a joy and a much better experience than on the iPAQ. If only Sandisk hurry up in their PalmOS driver development!
Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
Boogaboo
Bashing a dead horse
OK, everybody flame me now. It's OK, I can take it!
Thanks, robrecht
RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
Actually, in the title, he wrote "it's" which is incorrect. I think that he was addressing that in his immediate follow-up post, in which he wrote "its." I don't think that he was referring to the "it's" in the body of the post.
Wow, it's funny, debating about it(s).
Jamie
RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
Thanks, robrecht
Lot of moves done today
Price of Zire was reduced to $79 and T2 to $329.
One think about the TE, I noticed that the hardcase looks similar to the m500 series (opens 360 degrees). That's good. Just wondering if they are going to release a cradle for the new USB & AC connector.
If I was a betting man, Palm should do very well this Holiday season.
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RE: Lot of moves done today
The TC price is especially shocking. Maybe they just haven't gotten around to updating it. I can see $429 tops, but $100 more than the TT3? Sure it has Wi-Fi and the thumbboard (though that's liked by some, disliked by others and really doesn't add much to the cost). It also has a bigger battery. OTOH, it has a lower-res screen, no Bluetooth, no MP3 (for all intents and purposes), and a larger, plastic body. It also lacks the new PIM apps that palmOne has introduced with these new models, though hopefully they'll remedy that with an OS update soon.
Scott
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Awesome!
The T3 is brighter, faster, and more reliable than any I've had. Definitely a keeper (at least until the T5 comes out...).
RE: Awesome!
Did you have any problem moving your PIM data from the old OS 5.0 to the new 5.2 format? Any glitches with the extra address fields in Contacts?
They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
Come on, dont give me that S#$(&^$@T!!!
Bigger device and you couldn't put a bigger battery??
Not even your new tini-winni new OS5 treo (which is much smaller than the T3) has a battery so small!!!
Even the dummest of us knows that thing aint gonna last as long as the original T's...NO WAY..IT JUST DOESN'T ADD UP!!
Sticking with my T/T till further notice...
Hey Palm, great device...great improvements, but not for me yet...call me when you put a larger battery and WI-FI; then we'll talk business again.
Cheers!
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
Yeah..when is that happening? I heard they keep pushing the release date. Anyway, when are they supposed to be coming?
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
Optical illusion. The T3 is thinner, lighter and only 10% greater in volume than the Treo 600. Given that the display on the Treo is 6 times smaller (in pixels) than that of the T3, there's more room for a bigger battery.
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
They already have. It's called the T|C.
They did just fine.
Ok, how 'bout 400mg of Thorazine...
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3rd party solution?
What I am thinking is that maybe there is the possibility of an 3rd-party upgraded replacement battery, just as it happens with cell phones...
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RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
thanks.
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
I'm very intriqued with the match up of the T3 with my BT 610 and how this combination will help me with e-mail response when I'm out of the office.
I went to Circuit City and tried to connect (BT) with a demo T-3 and couldn't get it to work.
Background: My 610 is new; T-mobile account is less than a week old and at this juncture, only have "Internet" access via their "T-Zones."
Am I missing something on the "phone side" that will enable the BT connection and round out this BT solution?
Thanks for any input...
Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!
Off course the fact that it has an incredible screen, more memory, tons of power, bluetooth, small form factor, flip cover, excellent included software package and great starting price of $399, this is one killer pda.
RE: Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!
ahhh! Very good point, I forgot to add that to the review. Must get sleep, working 18 hours straight...
RE: Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!
RE: Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!
Thanks, robrecht
its Outlook
is this a joke?
Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: its Outlook
Im getting one!!!
Battery life - that's really bad.
When I was choosing my first Palm (and still the last one) - the Palm IIIx I was very concerned about battery life. I was really tempted by these WindowsCE's but the choice was pretty simple when I've compared the battery life. IIIx gives me almost 24h of constant use under average load - this results in about 3 weeks between battery changes in my usage pattern. Reading about various improvements made to the Palm platform i.e. colour, faster processor, bigger screen I was afraid that Palm will go to the same direction where PocketPC's already have been - that is very short battery life.
Of course I've read the articles that PalmOS is so and so efficent in using the power BUT the difference was about 10-15%, and one could always wonder about the test procedure made-up this way that PalmOS was better.
With IIIx I do not have to remember about the batteries. I really do not want to charge the device every other day or even every day! Even my (also trusted and pretty old) Nokia 5110 GSM works WHOLE WEEK between charging...
Generally I think producers should really think more about extending the battery life than the rich power-consuming hardware.
So T3 is a no-go for me. I'll work with my old trusted IIIx.
RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
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RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
320 x 480 screen looks cool, but its a nice to have (ok very nice to have) feature, but not essential like battery life, as I rely on my pda working every day.
RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
However, I for one, do not mind sacrificing some battery time for a device rich is features such as the T3. The only thing missing for me is WiFi....however that will be solved with the Sandisk WiFi card when it makes it to Australia and the Palm OS drivers are released. But for now I am waiting on the T3 to be released in Australia. Does anyone here know when that will be?
Jodi
RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
Surely shipping is not that much.
Jodi
RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
Sony CLIE T665:
2.9 in x 0.5 in x 4.8 in
Weight 4.9 oz
T3:
4.3 X 3 X 0.66 (closed)
weight 5.5 oz
I'll take it unless there is a new sony rumor pronto.
RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
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RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
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RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
Organiser World is the first Aussie site that I have found to have the T3. It is selling for $749AUD, that is less than what is on Palm's web site.
Jodi
RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
Palm should actually be firmly controlling foreign distribution and immediately cancelling the distribution rights of anyone who overcharges.
I'll just do what I always do, import my own.
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double res???
i dont have a pocket pc...but can someone explain what this means? im sure pocket pc's are not that low res.
thanks
RE: double res???
320x480 = 153,600 total pixels
240x320 = 76,800 total pixels
153600/76800=2
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RE: double res???
One big advantage the PPCs have is built-in support for sub-pixel antialiasing ("cleartype"), so normal text on PPCs is often easier to read (I think) than the standard Palm OS4/OS5 fonts. Most good Palm OS doc readers (I use Mobipocket) have this, so reading long docs is find on Palm but it would be nice to have standard apps like datebook with antialiasing.
You can easily tell the difference looking at photos on a PPC or a Palm though. Palm looks WAY better.
RE: double res???
-alan
RE: double res???
Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: double res???
RE: double res???
Thanks, robrecht
RE: double res???
Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: double res???
RE: double res???
A Palm in one hand is worth 2 PocketPCs
: )
-Steve B.
Hmm, I wonder...
Cases
Looks like we are stuck with a flip cover as a side option doesn't seem possible?
RE: Cases
Expect this to be a good investment until others appears on the market
JoranG
JoranG
RE: Cases
RE: Cases
Confucious say, "man who jump off cliff, jump to conclusion".
Too big, too power hungry
Why can't Palm just add Bluetooth and MP3 audio capability to it's Vx? I don't want a colour screen if it means I can't read my PDA in bed because it has to be charging.
Release a good PDA Palm, for old time's sake!
RE: Too big, too power hungry
RE: Too big, too power hungry
For MONTHS we heard 'Palm is so stupid, give us virtual graffiti.' To which the people with a clue responded 'but that would hurt batter life'.
Now we hear 'Palm is so stupid, all of these new features hurt battery life!' To which the people with a clue respond 'told you so'.
RE: Too big, too power hungry
Where the hell are the battery manufacturers?
Dammit, why don't I have an atomic battery?!
RE: Too big, too power hungry
Alltho I have to admit, palm could have put a larger batt in it.
Just the thing...
RE: Too big, too power hungry
I would recommend not doing this unless you are either:
a) tech-savvy or
b) a gambler
If you get a HandEra 330, make sure it is a new one. The TRGPro and HandEra 330 were both revolutionary PDAs for their time, but the HandEra 330 has a few "issues" - which you can learn about elsewhere - and you would also be buying an orphan PDA.
Instead, just wait a bit longer before choosing your new handheld.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: Too big, too power hungry
I have a 330 and it's a nice PDA, but the original poster asked for a Vx with MP3 and Bluetooth. The 330 is certainly nice for reading e-books in bed, but no MP3 and you'd have to dig for the right "unofficial" OS update and the right card for Bluetooth. The best on battery life though.
The Acer s10 has a mono screen and does MP3 (is there a Bluetooth Memory Stick that'd work with it?). On the non-Palm OS side, there's the Franklin eBookman: 240x200 screen, plays MP3.
http://www.franklin.com/ebookman/shortpage.asp
RE: Too big, too power hungry
If you buy a high bang-for-the-buck model, the worst that happens is that you eBay it later and don't lose too much in depreciation.
Scott
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Operating system upgrades?
RE: Operating system upgrades?
RE: Operating system upgrades?
T 3 is NOT Upgradable to OS6 -- said Palm Tech Support
From: Palm Support <support@palm.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:09:38 -0400 (EDT)
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I would like to inform you that all the three new Palm handhelds
have the Palm OS 5.2.1. These handhelds do not have the flashable ROM
to upgrade the Palm OS to higher version. Also, the Palm OS 6.0 is not
released or available to download or to purchase. The Palm OS 5.2.1 is
the latest version. Palm, Inc. has not yet planed about any new Palm
OS.
Sincerely,
Yogesh D.
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Earlier yesterday, another Palm Tech Support Person(the phone rings in Chicago, but they answer in Southern Ontario) told me that ALL 3 New PDA;s that were announced(T-3, T-E, Z21) are DEFINITELY upgradable to OS6! The difference is that this person stated that VERBALLY, as opposed to Yogesh D.m who put it in writing.
So, after the initial excitement, I now don't know whom to believe. To buy Z21 for $99, no back light, is SAD, only to tie me over to OS6, where OS6 Developer Kits will be announced in February, which means that we probably won't see OS6 PDA's till a year from now, or am I wrong?
By not telling us whether T-3, T-E, Z21 can be upgraded to OS6, Palm could be losing T-3, T-E sales to Z21, because folk don't want to stick their necks out.
PalmOS envy
Why would you want to upgrade to Palm OS 6 when Palm OS 7 will be so much better? I'm going to keep using my USR Pilot 5000 until the Palm OS 7 models are released.
You may be shocked to learn that Palm's in house (and outhouse) research shows that 99.7% of Palm purchasers don't care what OS version is installed on their PDAs. Furthermore, the number of people that have actually upgraded the OS on their PDAs is a vanishingly small (but tediously vocal) minority.
If the T³ or Sony's new PDAs suit your needs today, buy them now. There's always someting New And Improved around just the corner.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: PalmOS envy
> will be so much better? I'm going to keep using my USR
> Pilot 5000 until the Palm OS 7 models are released.
Because OS 6 will be a fundamental shift in the Palm OS, similar to Apple going to OS X. For the most part even OS 5 with PACE isn't fundamentally different than the OS on your Pilot 5000 (and it certainly isn't considerably different than OS 3.5 with VFS extensions for most users). I'm sure there are some apps still supported today that work on the original Pilots. There will be a whole new generation of apps that are going to be OS 6 and later only. Those devices are probably only about 6 months away.
RE: Operating system upgrades?
Why wait for Palm OS 7 when Palm OS 8 will be so much better... why wait for Palm OS x when Palm OS x+1 will be so much better.
This sounds like the advice I was given when I wanted to buy my first computer in 1995. If I listened to them I'd still be waiting because there will always be something better right around the corner.
My opinion: If you can afford it, and want it... buy it. When the new stuff comes out and you want it... buy it. Put the old stuff up on eBay to recover some of your expense.
RE: Operating system upgrades?
It isn't a matter of waiting around for some unknown future OS - v6 finally does what v5 should have been in the first place; at the very least it eliminates some limits that should have been removed in v5. They have now with 5.2.1 finally upped the Memo size, but I presume we're still stuck with the 16 category limit. If that category limit exists then the very least Palm can do is fix it in 5.2.2 or whatever and make an update available to current owners.
I know Sony won't offer an upgrade, they're too greedy and really don't care about the customer once they have your money. In the past Palm have been good, but I'm beginning to suspect those days may be over and their attitude may become if you want the new software you have to buy the latest hardware even if it isn't necessary for technical reasons - they must already know most of the requirements of v6 by now.
At the moment I'm getting the same doubletalk from Palm that I usually get from Sony which makes me very suspicious. It is very annoying to buy something this expensive and find out in a few months that it can't be upgraded and Palm knew all along.
Would current hardware be upgradeable to v7? I doubt it and I really don't care because by then I'd be prepared to buy new hardware.
RE: Operating system upgrades?
Damn, I'd like to know where YOU live!
In NYC dollars, the TT3 is two week's food and one week's rent!
RE: Operating system upgrades?
Sarcasm is a lost art.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: Operating system upgrades?
A new study from Outhouse Research, Inc. states that 99.84% of Palm purchasers don't care what OS version is installed on their PDAs, slightly higher than previously-published numbers. The study also found 0.01% of Palm purchasers upgraded the OS on their devices.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: Operating system upgrades?
I do find that an interesting stat. I had thought it would be higher. Maybe that's because I have the HandEra 330 and upgrading is such a simple task. I'd bet the percentage of HE owners who upgraded is much higher with the free OS upgrade and an easy way to do it.
RE: Operating system upgrades?
You would be interested in the source of his statistics as well.
RE: Operating system upgrades?
I agree about the fact that users don't need upgrades. Good example is game stations sales. But there are some people who want to upgrade!
more detailed review and photos (but german)
check it out with much photos of the new bad battery baby ;-)
http://www.pdaforum.de/tungsten-t3/
watch the photos and translate with google :-)
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RE: more detailed review and photos (but german)
Contra:
Akkuleistung
Akku nicht austauschbar
keine Status-LED (Bluetooth)
keine automatische Lautstärkeanpassung bei gesteckten Kopfhörern
WAV-Dateien nicht als Alarm nutzbar
Kunststoffslider (? noch nicht bestätigt)
mitgeliefertes Schutzcover
to:
Versus: Akkuleistung Akku not exchangeably no status LED (Bluetooth) no automatic volume adjustment with put headphones WAV files not as alarm usable Plastic eyelids (? yet does not confirm) provided Schutzcover
-- what is "Akkuleistung Akku"?!!?
RE: more detailed review and photos (but german)
Read it as:
Battery-capacity / Battery not exchangable
(Beginning of a lists of minor points of the machine)
regards,
René
RE: more detailed review and photos (but german)
Akkuleistung:
It's the running time and explains how long the machine is usable till it turn's off.
Akku:
It's the german expression for rechargeble battery 'cause we differ between normal batteries, rechargeble batteries (special type) and the types of rechargable batteries you all know (LiOn, NiCad...).
It's the short form of "Akkumulator" (technical term).
greetings
Thomas
T.W.G www.twgmusic.de
Palm Powered Handheld Reviews from T.W.G at: www.pdaforum.de
Category Limit?
32K Memos & Clipboard
Anyone know how many characters it can handle now?
RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
I would have done it myself, but there are NO TT3 demo models out in NYC that I've found yet (have not hit RCS or Circuit City; can't go to Best Buy -- a month ago I called an annoying salesjerk there a fatso!).
I did try it on a Tungsten E with just a 4K Memo beamed over -- Clipboard limit exceeded when I did Select All->Copy.
RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Scott
http://TapLand.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -
RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Listen, you toadstools, if I paid attention to WHO posted things, I'd never reply to a single fekkin message here.
And, you nitwits, do you expect others who have the SAME DAMNED QUESTION to ALSO post it?
Thank you for continuing to deserve my low opinion of you.
RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
As it is:
Clip Pro or BigClipboard fromm PalmGear.
This is something I would pay for. Until you brought it up here again, I had not found such a hack for OS 4. Now, in searching for these, I see PalmGear does have an OS 4 hack. The last time I checked for this I think I was worried about installing hacks. I had to install X-Master anyway for FITALY, so maybe I will return to my quest and get the OS 4 clip manager I found.
RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Thanks, robrecht
RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Got bloody Clipboard Alert!!!
What good are 32K of Memo if you can't copy all 32K of text?!
Someone mentioned two clip utils. Are these Hacks that need Tealmaster or what?!
Robrecht, I would never take medical advice from you. It's so kind of the interns to indulge you by doing all of your typing. How they can put up with all that screaming... they deserve medals.
And for the fellow who told me not to flatter myself -- what, I should wait for you to do it?
BTW, am I the only person to see that the DTG in ROM is not the full version?!
PPC is dead
JVC cancels two first Pocket PCs
By: Jørgen Sundgot, Wednesday 1st October 2003, 08:00 GMT
After announcing its intention in June to enter the Pocket PC market with two high-end Pocket PC models, JVC spokesman Terry Shea today confirmed to infoSync World that the company recently decided to cancel the introduction of the iO MP-PV131 and iO MP-PV331. Citing delays in availability, Shea said JVC in light of this opted to delay its entrance into the market, and would as a result bring second generation products already in development to the market next year.
-- first Gateway, now JVC.
Tch, tch, tch! Should've licensed PalmOS, boyos!
RE: PPC is dead
http://www.itnews.com.au/storycontent.asp?ID=7&Art_ID=15594
Hmm...Gateway cancels its upcoming PPC...now JVC. And things were starting to looks so promising.
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RE: PPC is dead
Why? PalmSource won't license its OS to these guys. Toshiba tried, but Nagel and his team showed them the door. PalmSource doesn't want too much competition within the PalmOS market, so it only selects licensees that intent to enter new markets. And that's why you'll never see a Dell PalmOS handheld or smartphone.
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RE: PPC is dead
>Toshiba tried, but Nagel and his team showed them the
>door. PalmSource doesn't want too much competition
>within the PalmOS market
I can see how Palm (before PalmSource was split) didn't want more competition - same reason why Apple decided not to license MacOS. Now, PalmSource, as a purely software company *may* be a different story.
RE: PPC is dead
Feh! From what I heard, Toshiba wanted X, Y & Z mods to the OS, and Palm said Can't Do That Just Yet.
So Toshi went PPC. And got the rotten rep they deserve!
RE: PPC is dead
Your innocence is very sweet. But you're old enough to know a few things now:
Santa Claus isn't real.
The Easter Bunny isn't real.
The Tooth Fairy isn't real.
Palm = PalmSource = Pa1mone = Palm0ne = pA1MOn3. Despite the smoke and mirrors show for the SEC, it will be business as usual in Milpitas.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: PPC is dead
A dual slot Dell for $200 would be a nice option.
RE: PPC is dead
I don't. There are too many players in the PDA space now. We need some attrition to flesh out the weaklings. Toshiba, I'm looking in your direction. Followed by Sony.
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My blog: www.pocketfactory.com
RE: PPC is as dead as JASON
Really? Is Palm better now that they got rid of HandEra?
Is PPC better now that Casio is gone?
Without competition, Palm would never have come up with the T³ or any fresh new designs. Instead you would be buying the Special Edition J Lo Palm IIIxe for $400.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
PPC is as dead as JASON
Really? Is Palm better now that they got rid of HandEra?
Is PPC better now that Casio is gone?
Without competition, Palm would never have come up with the T³ or any fresh new designs. Instead you would be buying the Special Edition J Lo Palm IIIxe for $400.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: PPC is dead
PalmOne I hope it will release also some new smartphones soon! Like next Treo?
RE: PPC is undead
Apple - exists today only because Microsoft wanted them to. (To lessen antitrust headaches and provide further Office sales.)
Netscape - does anyone even use this browser these days?
Quicken - refused to sell out to Microsoft, so Microsoft eventually created a better product than Quicken and undercut their price.
WordPerfect - poor Corel can't even give this away now.
Visio - assimilated.
Diskeeper - (partially) assimilated
Outlook - does anyone use any other emial programs now?
etc., etc.
Having used both platforms, I've found that for my purposes Palm OS is superior. I could easily keep using my current (1999) PDA for the next five years without any problem. In fact, if my previous Pilot 5000 or PalmPilot Professional could have been upgraded to 128 MB RAM, I would have had no real need to upgrade my PDA. The Treo 600, CLIE PalmTop™ and Palm T³ represent the only new Palm OS designs in the past four years that offer compelling reasons to buy another PDA. While I wish Palm would go back to making their hardware in the U.S.A. - instead of China, Mexico, Hungary, etc. - I'll still probably get a Treo 600 as long as the carriers don't attempt to gouge us on the rates.
Despite the potential shown by the Palm OS hardware released this Fall, smart money still doesn't bet against Redmond ultimately succeeding. Sony needs to hurry up and buy the Palm OS and add it to their slick Sony-Ericcson cellphones. That is where Palm's future lies.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
Does country of manufacture affect quality these days?
I say this because the US-made devices and Japanese CLIEs I've used all seem to have been of better quality and much more durable than PDAs made in other countries. It seems that everything is made in China these days. I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for a Palm made in the USA, but I doubt the USA manufacturers will ever be able to compete with countries where workers are paid a pittance compared to what American workers receive. Perhaps if Palm ditched some of the 5000 Vice Presidents they have on salary (the Palm bureaucracy is truly ludicrous) they could shift production back to the USA...
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: PPC will bury you all.
Sony needs to hurry up and buy the Palm OS and add it to their slick Sony-Ericcson cellphones. That is where Palm's future lies.
It's happening...
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6117
January 15, 2004. The new beginning for Sony-Palm.
2004's Sony lineup:
UX - PalmTops
Sony Ericsson - Palm OS smartphones
TX - 320 x 480 stand alones with virtual Graffiti + multimedia
TJ - 320 x 320 base model stand alones
Expect major price "adjustments" within the next two months.
Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™
RE: PPC is dead
You only have to look at the junk the US auto industry churns out to see the build quality of a typical product.
Excessive bureaucracy is typical of almost every large company across the entire world. And that bureaucracy devotes most of its time and energy to one purpose - protecting and maintaining the bureaucracy. The result is overpaid executives stripping lower level staff so they don't have to give up their bloated bonuses or worse their non-productive position.
Battery life again
RE: Battery life again
The M5xx series will run longer in standby though. The Original T|T is able retain data for 21 days AFTER the battery is drained. The M505 was not oficially tested, but my own experience shows it to be around a month. The iPaq gives up it's data in just 4 days after battery drain.
RE: Battery life again
RE: Battery life again
Expenses and Macs
RE: Thanks
Excelllent
Thanks Ryan.
"Life is Too Short"
RE: Expenses and Macs
Lack of Powerpoint support is DataViz's fault.
What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
You would also need extra internal casing to protect the inside of the device, and the connection terminals are a likely point of failure increasing cost.
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
I think that keeping the same battery in the T3 largely came down to price point. They packed a lot of new features into the device and still offered it at $399. Keeping the same battery as is used in the rest of the line streamlines costs--while the R&D for a replaceable battery would have been costly, too.
Still, I wish they would have put one in there.
Scott
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
A Palm III is slightly thicker than the T3, and barely has enough room for the even smaller AAA cells in the area between the display and the buttons.
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
You must consider voltage as well.
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
Because the Li-ion battery has a average life around 3-5 years, no one(very few)will take the trouble to replace it due to the expensive labour cost and the risk of mailing, so everyone will end up being forced to buy new equipment
Good for them
Ditch the slider now!
RE: Ditch the slider now!
SDIO Speed
Does anybody know if the speed of the SDIO slot has improved?
Palm m505 User
RE: SDIO Speed
Missing
T3: $400
WiFi: $100
Thumbboard: $40
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$540 ..... probably more
If you add in a camera ($60), if it is possible at all, cause you've already used up all the available ports on the T3.....
Hmm... looks like the Sony UX-50 ($650 online so far, probably price drop after 2 weeks) isn't so bad afterall. At least its all neatly packaged in ONE unit and closes into a nice clam protective shape.
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PDAs rule the world !
RE: Missing
RE: Missing
You take out any Palm, have to slot this in, that in, and attach keyboard that freezes the unit once in awhile. Why bother!!
As you mentioned, the UX50 already thought of the WiFi battery sucking problem, has another battery sled for sale already. Of course its heavy, but at least its still one unit. Unlike the T3.
I'm gonna wait a few weeks, for prices to drop a little and go for the UX-50. T3 is definitely missing the UX50 WOW factor too.
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PDAs rule the world !
RE: Missing
You obviously haven't actually SEEN a T|3.. this thing has tremendous 'wow' factor in my mind. The screen is huge, vibrant, 320x480, and rotates...
Not Missing
RE: Missing
In the UK its different. I have to use GBP for the pound sign since the keyboard I am typing at my friends house does not have a pound sign (Pentium 100! 16Mb RAM!)
Tungsten T/3 GBP 330
Palm UltraThin Keyboard GBP 50 (got it in a sale a few months ago and can be used on all future Palm PDAs featuring the UC)
WiFi SD card GBP 70 (ordered from the US - also able to use on future PDAs)
Polaroid 2Mp Digital Camera with LCD screen(way better than the VGA offering of the UX50) GBP 80
Total price GBP 530
Micro Anvika sells the Clie UX50 for GBP 600. The 70 pounds I saved I could get a 256Mb SD card plus a case.
Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: Missing
While we are on the topic, where in the heck is the new Palm BT card (the shorter one) and the OS5 drivers for the existing BT card?
RE: Missing
Okay, I can agree with that. I haven't seen it in person yet. But as soon as it comes out here, I'll go and take a look.
With a 3rd party app. I'm sure UX50 can rotate screen as well later.
So to me "Wow" would be "See, I can take a photo of you right now and put it in my Address entry", "twist my screen and fold it down", "type in the keyboard", "record a mini video", "let's go to a local cafe and connect to 802.11b internet!" and "lets connect to bluetooth phone and send this pic I just took a minute ago".
And hook it around my hand like a phone with UX50's wrist strap.
Okay, I know that's all silly..... But I think BOTH T3 and UX50 will cause a "WOW" initially, but then, you run out of features to show on the T3, while UX50 will take you 5 times longer to show off to friends.
Looking at the reviews, MP3 sound in the T3 is just average, while Sony CLIE's sounds are known to be quite good. Same with video playback.
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PDAs rule the world !
RE: Missing
You may wish to use that 70 pounds to buy a new bag to put all those add-on accessories. Maybe a strong bag, incase you drop the keyboard or WiFi card or camera.
Or spend 70 pounds on the UX50 and just close the unit shut like a clam and slip into your pants.
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PDAs rule the world !
MP3 on ux50 sux
There is no long shot winner in this contest. If I can find someone to purchase my children, I'm a T|3 guy for sure.
RE: Missing
Sure about that? Read Ed's review over at Brighthand.
Thanks, robrecht
RE: Missing
Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
What about Native Security Encryption?
RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
1. does this mean the desktop memo is secure/encrypted as well or just the handheld?
2. does this app come with the T3 ROM or must you download it?
RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
I've found that it changes the unlock screen such that it won't allow a lower-case first character to be entered as the first charcater of the unlock password using G2 (can via pop-up keyboard). Unless I come up with some other trick, I'll either need to change my lockout password or continue entering an incorrect password the first time so that it accepts my lowercase the second time in.
RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
I run ClipPro, so don't know about the clipboard straightaway.
RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
Thanks!
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My wife has to sell a lot of candles (www.ccandles.com) to buy her new Palm.
Some PPC questions for the T3 to win me over
2- Can I view TIF images natively (I have an electronic fax that sends me TIF attachments).
If so, then I am switching back to a Palm (T3 of course)!!!
JAG
Ipaq 3360 -> Tungsten T -> Ipaq 2210
RE: Some PPC questions for the T3 to win me over
I am not sure about folder synchronisation, I use Snappermail for email program (no sync...)
Solo
RE: Some PPC questions for the T3 to win me over
--
Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
Battery life is not that bad
http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1644
Also, I know a couple of guys who tested T3 and they didn't think battery life was an issue for T3
RE: Battery life is not that bad
"All of that power, of course, does impact on battery life. In our standard Atom Smash battery rundown tests, the T3's Lithium-Ion Polymer battery lasted 2 hours before throwing its first low power warning, then shut off after 2 hours, 7 minutes. That is with the backlight on full brightness and the case open. (The handwriting area is not lit when the case is closed to conserve power.) That's one of the shortest battery lifespans we've seen from Palm."
The Brighthand review also mentions the poor battery life, not to mention that Bluetooth is not anywhere near as battery intensive as wi-fi.
With regard to the apps, the T3 has added new fields including multipe addresses to the address book and expanded the memo limit to 32K I believe.
Cheers
RE: Battery life is not that bad
:While the Tungsten T3 is an outstanding handheld in many ways, its battery life is below average. I guess that its fast processor, large screen, and generous amount of memory are simply too much for its battery.
I've found that I get about three hours of use out of each charge. That's enough for one day's use for me, but I have to remember to recharge it every night. If you are considering taking a T3 with you on a trip, I'd definitely invest in some form of portable recharger.
This isn't a torture test where I keep the device on until the battery is dead. I'm using the T3 normally and tracking the amount of time it takes to empty the battery with Jeroen Witteman's BatteryGraph. "
RE: Battery life is not that bad
Full brightness? The screen is so bright and clear that you can see it clearly on the dash of a car while driving directly into the sun... at half brightness. This situation would make me almost blind with the T1 even when on full. 1/3rd brightness on the T3 is the same as maximum on the T1.
I know the IIIc was bright, but not that bright. Let's be realistic: we are talking about a device with over 6 times the RAM, 6 times the screen resolution, 20 times the processing power, all in a smaller package than the weakest III series.
PS: the graffiti area turns black when the slider is closed, the area stays lit.
RE: Battery life is not that bad
Altema, can you elaborate on this?
Thanks, robrecht
RE: Battery life is not that bad
Docs to Go 6 w/native MS Word/Excel - How Fast on T3?
RE: Docs to Go 6 w/native MS Word/Excel - How Fast on T3?
RE: Docs to Go 6 w/native MS Word/Excel - How Fast on T3?
YOu can also enter text via graffiti 2 directly on the screen by flipping a toggle on the toolbar.
RE: Docs to Go 6 w/native MS Word/Excel - How Fast on T3?
RE: Docs to Go 6 w/native MS Word/Excel - How Fast on T3?
I have a 3.5Mb spreadsheet, and is not designed very well (I created it over two years ago as a quick interim solution for result and stat tracking for dart leagues, and has continued to grow unabated since). It contains many sheets (at least 15 now), and all contain formulas (and two of these are sheets are huge).
Anyway, I was looking forward to the native mode, too, mainly to avoid the minutes (plural) the slow PC I primarily sync to takes to convert it. Well, in native format, there's no conversion, so that part met my expectations. However, my attempt to open the native document was not even 50% complete after about 3 minutes when I canceled it.
On the other hand, even when converted, opening and closing the converted document on my original T|T would take at least 5 seconds, and sometimes more, after resizing a few fields, etc. (I won't even mention how long it would take if I changed a value used in a formula somewhere!). However, on the T|T3, opening and closing takes less than a second, even after resizing fields, etc. Of course, right now on the T|T3 I have the document in RAM, whereas on the TT I had in on an external card...
Can you beam addresses from new PIM to palms w/old version?
Thanks,
Aron.
RE: Can you beam addresses from new PIM to palms w/old version?
Scott
http://TapLand.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -
RE: Can you beam addresses from new PIM to palms w/old version?
Everything but the new 'enhanced' fields were transfered.
RE: Can you beam addresses from new PIM to palms w/old version?
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Can you beam addresses from new PIM to palms w/old version?
Built-in DocsToGo?
RE: Built-in DocsToGo?
So to upgrade, just install a new version. As long as they keep their creator ID's/database names the same you will automatically use the one in RAM instead of the older version in ROM.
RE: Built-in DocsToGo?
RE: Built-in DocsToGo?
Yours,
Mike
RE: Built-in DocsToGo?
Very beautiful Handheld
I have to admit though that even though the Battery can use a lot more work, I really like the overall design of this handheld plus the fact that you can have it either Landscape or Portrait. Not to mention VG, though I don't use Graffiti whatsoever. I have yet to see a Tungsten T3, though (but I'm gonna have to wait next year for Palm OS 6.0 to come out because I'm bargaining for Palm OS 6.0 at this point, furthermore, I prefer Tungsten Cs over Tungsten Ts now because I'm a Wi-Fi Nut).
The only low point I would have to say is the fact that it should've included Built-In Wi-Fi instead of Bluetooth, and the improved button layout should be 6-Buttons instead of 4.
Otherwise, the Tungsten T3 is one of the most beautiful handhelds in the market.
My Primary Handheld: Palm Tungsten C "Air Swallow"
My Secondary Handheld: Palm Tungsten T "Sea Chugger"
What is V6.0 going to offer
And, what do you love about wifi so much?
Just curious, cuz I'm shopping
docs to go & on screen grafitti
The thing is tiny!
The doc's to go is awesome
the flip screen is flawless
I made a word doc & excel spreadsheet with landscape full screen on screen writing & it was perfect.
Now I am trying to replace my t615 with it & am told the replacement plan is now being enforced differently then when I was sold mine. They will determine what I can replace with.
I don't agree with being sold one thing & them changing the terms mid contract. I have to go back this evening while they test my pda.
Any suggestions on how to win this arguement?
RE: docs to go & on screen grafitti
RE: docs to go & on screen grafitti
RE: docs to go & on screen grafitti
Peace,
-Bartman007
RE: docs to go & on screen grafitti
RE: docs to go & on screen grafitti
The first day I was there an older gentleman said to me as he left the tech dept. "stick to your guns, son" & I did.
Bought another warranty understanding the new policy cause its better than a broken $400 machine but I wanted them to honor my previous agreement & eventually they did.
Slider ugh
RE: Slider ugh
Long memos on Desktop?
RE: Long memos on Desktop?
Australia ignorant about palms??
I guess I will have to forget actually trying to GET a T|T3 or an T|E anytime soon. Have money in hand, but can't find anyone who can actually sell me a unit.
(mind you, they were only released a day ago, but still...... :-) )
RE: Australia ignorant about palms??
RE: Australia ignorant about palms??
:-)
Not so in Australia. I found a supplier the other day selling Vx and other ancient palms at full fare oblivious to the fact they are EOL. Oh the humanity......
RE: Australia ignorant about palms??
RE: Australia ignorant about palms??
The Australian eBay site has someone selling the T3 for a 'by it now' price of $649.95AUD plus $20 postage....you can save yourself $80 by doing that. However, stock does not arrive for a few days yet.
I personally, have just listed my Palm Vx and iPAQ 3870 on eBay. If they sell then I will get a T3.
Jodi
NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
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64 MB Backup Card Plus
http://store.palm.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1306839&cp=1170719.115
7589
back up EVERYTHING, including 3 party Applications, and their data, or
does it only do
? Selective backup and restore of specific PIM application data
This
? Selective backup and restore of individual files/applications?
implies that it should backup EVERYTHING, including 3 party
Applications, and their data
Also, with this Palm? 64 MB Backup Card Plus, can I do Save As, i.e.
Save Addresses, let's say, as Addresses1001, then another copy as
Addresses1002. This way, if my Addresses get corrupted, I can
Restore(Overwrite them) from this Palm? 64 MB Backup Card Plus with
Addresses1001, or Addresses1002?
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Palm Tech Support, Melisa in Ontario, Canada - stated that 64 MB Backup Card Plus backs up EVERYTHING! But later that day, I received email from Palm Tech Support rep. Yogesh D stated this --
1. Backup cards: They are only used to back up of all the data of the
Palm handheld as and when required and retrieve them back from the card.
They do not have any other function. The Backup card can be used only
to backup the information in the basic applications (Address Book, Date
Book, To Do List and Memo Pad) on your Palm handheld. It does not back
up third-party data.
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As a USER, I am VERY FRUSTRADED, and as a SHAREHOLDER of Palm Stock, I am HIGHLY disappointed that MY COMPANY can't provide MORE CLARITY on such BASIC issues!
I need a new PDA ASAP, and I would prefer T-3 to Z21, but knowing that T-3 has no OS6 future is forcing me towards a disposable Z21. Adding to further frustration is the BACKUP Q --
If 64 MB Backup Card Plus does NOT back up EVERYTHING, i.e including 3 party stuff, which product does?! On my Palm IIIx and Mac OS 9.0.4, I've been using a fantastic product called Backup Buddy! Why doesn't Palm offer EVERYTHING Backup Option as a DEFAULT?!
RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
There are tons of backup programs..
backupman
botsam backup
backup pro.... etc
go look on palmgear.com , freewarepalm.com, palmblvd.com,
RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
From the different forums I'm reading it's not conclusive yet whether the OS6 will or will not be available for the T3?
Do you know something specific?
RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
> How bout you stop bitching like a little school girl and go LOOK FOR A FSCKING
> PROGRAM TO BACKUP YOUR PALM.
> There are tons of backup programs..
>
> backupman
> botsam backup
> backup pro.... etc
> go look on palmgear.com , freewarepalm.com, palmblvd.com
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On one hand "stop bitching like a little school girl ", is VERY HARSH and NASTY, and totally unnecessary! Then you try to help by suggesting other products.
Given how FANTASTIC http://www.palminfocenter.com is with all these Forums etc., why would you want to poison the air with such NASTY digs? I am not the only person "bitching" here, and most of this FORUM is full of complaints, wish list items etc. We all have our "issues", Palm among them:):):) . The idea in this Forum is to help, and INSULTS undermine the spirit of this Forum. Good luck on ALL your issues. To quote a great American, Rodney King:), "Can't we all get along?". Now let's get back to the topics at Handheld:) And THANK YOU for those products ideas... REALLY!
BTW. BackupBuddy doesn't do OSX
http://www.bluenomad.com/support/supp_backupbuddy_mac.html
it says --
> Does BackupBuddy work with OSX?
> Not at this time... BackupBuddy has to be updated to work with Mac OSX. If you
> have a handheld device with Memory Stick or memory card, you can use
> BackupBuddyVFS to backup to your memory card.
Which, to me, suggests that it'll probably be at least a year before OS6 PDA's are out there, and then developers will be playing catch up. Yes I've heard that OS6 Developer Kits will be out in Feb 2004(?), but the developers would probably want to test their software on OS6 PDA's 1st hand, right?
Here is another way of looking at OS "timing" issue --
Tungsten T-3 - $399
Palm Protection Plan Plus -- $49.95***
64 MB Backup Card Plus -- $69.95
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Total at Palm Store $518.90 + No tax
COST OF OWNERSHIP --
$518.90 for 1 year = $1.42 per day
$518.90 for 2 year = $0.71 per day
OS6 Devices are approximately 1 year away. Tungsten T-3 will be on OS5.2.1 for 1 year concurrently with OS6 PDA's. In 2 years from now, $518.90 for 2 year = $0.71 per day, we'll be looking at Smartphones.
CONCLUSION -- it will be another 1-2 years till Smartphones are mainstream, and till then do I want to live FAT on a nice Tungsten T-3, GREAT COLOR, or without Backlight on Z21 in BLACK+WHITE.
I've squeezed 4 years + 2 months from my Palm IIIx @ $275 = 19c per DAY for 4 years, or 38 cent per DAY for 2 years! Compare to Tungsten T-3 = $518.90 for 2 year = $0.71 per day
RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
Enjoyed your viewpoint on choosing between the Zire 21 over the TT3. Sounds like the time that my local Rolls Royce dealer didn't offer a trailer hitch on the new model, so I just decided to get a Daewoo.
RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
I want a dumb phone and a smart PDA.
Babies.....
so thats exactlky what u got!! u have to have slider, or its gunna be a sony brick (well not really, but slider makes it so much smaller in ur pocket)
You got what u wished for! now suck it up! this is the best PDA ive seen (love my brick, but its just too darn big)
RE: Babies.....
Palm designers: "oh for the love of christ.. Will they ever be happy??"
Smart users : "Thats really nice, but doesnt have good batt life And I really dont need it. Stick with my he330 ;)"
T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
A friend of mine has gotten two conflicting emails from Palm about whether or not the T3 will be upgradable to OS6. In one email, Palm stated that OS6 devices will not be available for 2 years, so this is a non-issue.
Can anyone get a definitive answer on this? i would really hate to buy a T3 now, and find myself orphaned 6 months from now.....
Regards,
-cnegrad
RE: T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
RE: T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
I can't see any real advantage to the PocketPC right now though - it's applications don't appear to be any better or more capable. I don't see anything major I can do with a PocketPC that I can't do with the T3, but...
Still I'm dubious about spending $400 (need Bluetooth) on a PDA even though I need one now, unless PalmOne are willing to come out and make a commitment to either an OS upgrade or a reasonably cheap hardware upgrade. I they screw me on this I'll buy a new PDA, but it'll be a PocketPC.
RE: T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
RE: T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
E-B-A-Y
Seriously, do you really want to upgrade a 1 year old (outdated) T3 while your buddys have the T5 w/ OS6? Just a thot.
RE: T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
Have fun with that low res screen and adding to the bank accounts of Ba'al Gates and Steve Ba'almer.
And then you'll say the same damned thing on a PPC board when PPC2004 or whatever comes out and isn't offered for the one you bought! (Hello! Most PPCs could NOT get the 2003 PPC upgrade!)
Can T3 sync in a Palm 515 cradle?
RE: Can T3 sync in a Palm 515 cradle?
Only draw back is that you can't charge while you sync.
RE: Are all the T series stylus the same?
Thanks, robrecht
RE: Are all the T series stylus the same?
But I second what you said.
As if anybody would ask me!
RE: Are all the T series stylus the same?
Thanks, robrecht
RE: Are all the T series stylus the same?
RE: Are all the T series stylus the same?
REQ for a file: System_MIDI_Sounds.PDB from a T|3
I think the file name is:
System_MIDI_Sounds.PDB
My email address is mattyparanoid@hotmail.com
TIA
matty
RE: REQ for a file: System_MIDI_Sounds.PDB from a T|3
I haven't actually heard an alarm on the Tungsten models - How does it compare to some of the OS3 machines?
RE: REQ for a file: System_MIDI_Sounds.PDB from a T|3
I was not ready when I heard the T3 alarm go off... scared the mess out of me and I almost dropped it.
I currently have the system sounds off, game sound on low, and alarm sound on low. If you want to use it as an alarm clock on high, make sure you are used to the sound and volume. Otherwise you might be starled out of your sleep and smash the thing in panic.
Things I want in my PDA - are they ont he T3?
1. Soft Buttons - I use them eg for the calculator
2. I can't abise graffiti 2
3. I can't abide the timing issues of ~ is it select
text or ~ is this a character thus...
4. I require a dedicated graffiti area
5. Thus I want a dedicated graffiti area as well as
the soft buttons.
6. The kiss of death for me on the TC was the change
in hard buttons.
I want a PDA compatible with the conventional Palm and with my cel phone PDAs.
QUESTION: does the T3 have soft buttons and a dedicated graffiti area, and can I force a dedicated graffiti area to remain visible along with soft keys?
QUESTION: the TC wobbles on its cradle, and can abort o hotsync. Does the T3 sit firmly on its cradle?
Thanks to Teal Script I can solve teh graffiti2 botch up and revert easily to graffiti1. I am sorry, those double strokes, especially coupled with the timing issus (of is it text or is it text select) make graffiti2 unacceptable to me.
Simon
RE: Things I want in my PDA - are they ont he T3?
BTW, there is a procedure to replace G2 with G1. look in the forums.
RE: Things I want in my PDA - are they ont he T3?
I do a lot of data entry, and searches on strings, hence my need for the graffiti area, and I got very tired on the TC of accidently selecting text when I thought I was drawing a letter, and bingo, the next thing I did deleted the text. And since I do graffiti fast, I entered the next character, so the deleced text was unrecoverable.
Similarly, I often need the calculator, hence the soft button. With the TC you have to go to the applications display then find the calculator and use it.
Words fail me on that TC keyboard. I have a digital pager whose keyboard is the same size BUT its layout is much more practical.
And the TC change in the second row up of hard buttons whose sequence bears no correlation to the prior soft buttons, was also another disaster.
So I will prabably get the T3. Now what the heck do I do with the TC which has been collecting dust!
Simon
RE: Things I want in my PDA - are they ont he T3?
In essence, Palm seems to have listened.
1. The T3 doesnt wobble as badly as the TC on the stand.
2. There is no longer a screen delay so you cant accidently block select text AND delete it in the next entry because...
3. The virtual graffitti area exists and works
4. And with TeaclScript I get my old graffitti 1 back
5. My MP3s played when I took the SD card from the TC to the T3.
6. Major miracle of miracles, my Kinoma movies I saved in .pdb form I simply synchd -and- they played with good quality and sound.
7. You can tailor the soft keys in the virtual graffitti area - I like the old PowerONE calculator for the top right soft key.
8. This really pxxxed me off - they even change the Icon on the soft buttons in the virtual graffitti area when you select your favorite program. I admit I am pleased!
It works in my old stand, and I didn't load the new desktop because my cel phone needed the version I have, and it still synched.
So, grudgingly, I give the Tungsten 3 a thumbs up. It meets my stated needs.
I do still have something to bitch about however: now what to do with the TC?
Simon
Transferring Data to the TT3
RE: Transferring Data to the TT3
T3 Buyers Beware!!!!!!
RE: T3 Buyers Beware!!!!!!
As far as the battery issue, I can't comment with certainty. However, I just upgraded from a TT yesterday and the battery appears to be getting used up at a comparable rate with the T3.
Your comments about the screen couldn't be further from the truth. In a side-by-side comparison, my eyes perceive the T3 screen's LOWEST brightness to be approximately as bright as the TT screen's HIGHEST brightness setting. Colors are incredible rich and pleasing to the eye. I have yet to see a screen of this caliber and I believe it rivals the best screens on the market today.
-jcm
RE: T3 Buyers Beware!!!!!!
RE: T3 Buyers Beware!!!!!!
I too was perturbed to find that I could only use the Home, Find, Screen Orientation and VG 'buttons'. I couldn't activate System, Menu or Onscreen Graffiti. Once I disabled Jot and the control strip functioned perfectly.
Hopefully CIC will come up with a solution soon. In the meantime I just use WordComplete with G2, which doesn't bother me at all.
Personally, I'm delighted with my T3. Yes, I am a fan of the slider. I love the screen, I like the improved PIMs, and (after initial scepticism) I have found the 'hard' button layout to be an improvement that makes it much easier to use with one hand. I think Palm has done a superb job.
I have owned a V, Vx, M500, M515, TT (two of them!), T2, TC and now a T3. While I wouldn't recommend the T3 to a newbie or someone who just wants a diary and address book, the T3 is a well constructed and well designed PDA.
RE: T3 Buyers Beware!!!!!!
"shatter" is either:
1) using software that messes with the system
2) joking
3) not very bright
4) a troll looking to spread FUD
1) If it's software, I suggest you hard reset and reinstall one-by-one to isolate the offender.
2) If you're joking, you need to be funnier and give clearer indications that it's a joke.
3) If you're not very bright, I suggest you refrain from announcing your ignorance to the world by posting stuff like this
4) If you're a troll, then you're ALSO not very bright in this case, posting a claim that's so implausible and easily debunked. I suggest, obviously, that you stop posting on this site.
OS6 on the T3
........the Palm Tungsten T3 handheld has a flashable ROM and hence you
should be able to upgrade the Palm OS of the Palm handheld. However, we
at Palm Technical Support do not have the necessary resources to comment
whether Palm OS 6 will be compatible with the Palm Tungsten T3 handheld.
We at Palm Technical Support are unable to comment on future unreleased
products of Palm, Inc.
-cnegrad
RE: OS6 on the T3
Given the way Palm PDA prices have been plummeting (well, for *Palm* it's a plummet!), next year's OS6 PDAs will have much more power for much less money.
At least those from PalmOne.
Sony will no doubt bring out something for $800.
RE: OS6 on the T3
If Palm could tell me today that this device (or Tapwave with the Zodiac) will be upgradable to OS 6, I would give their device serious thought. Otherwise, I can wait till next year. I'm clearly not the only person that feels that way. If Palm wants these people's money, they could commit to an upgrade.
Of course, odds are that the money to be made from the commitment isn't worth the costs involved.
RE: OS6 on the T3
I find these posts considerably more useful than the "it should have a bigger battery, WiFi, no slider, a camera and have all that in the same form as the Palm V" that permeates the other 95% of the comments here. Oh yeah, like Palm's going to get back to you tomorrow on that one.
So, geez/jeez STOP telling people what they can or can't ask.
RE: OS6 on the T3
RE: OS6 on the T3
Really, I don't see the fuss about an OS6 upgrade. There's ebay (or relatives!) to get rid of old ones. And think of the enjoyment you have from such a speedier model in the meantime. Besides, how sure are you that you might not drop the unit (alas, my poor Palm III died that way!) or lose it or whatever?
And let's say Palm did give an upgrade -- but owing to ROM size, it was a *subset* of OS6. Would that make you (you = anyone/everyone) scream, "I've been cheated!"?
USA/UK Differences
UK prices for T3
is selling the T3 for £329
http://www.dabs.com is selling it for £304
http://www.expansys.com/ lists it £285.63
All these prices include tax.
Is there some trick to this, or is the palm store the worst deal here? Are these 3 prices all for the same thing - ie are the extras in the box the same?
Where would you buy a palm online in the UK - or would you take a walk down Tottenham Court Road? Will the price drop in a week or two?
ribbit
RE: UK prices for T3
Personally, I still use Tottenham Court Road for laptops and digital cameras but all other items of kit, be it PDAs or peripherals I buy online.
Louis
RE: UK prices for T3
The current estimate for more stock at Expansys is two weeks but they have a large backlog of orders to fill.
Interestingly, they also told me that the T2 is now discontinued by Palm hence the uptake on the T3 rising. I think this may be proce related (note T3 is cheaper than the T2 which is cheaper than the T ?!?!?!)
I was also told by another retailer that because Palm were annoyed that details leaked from some retailers they are carefully controlling device release. Some retailers who posted details before 1st of October may not receive stock for up to three weeks as 'punishment' for this. I'm not sure if this is to believed....
RE: UK prices for T3
That's where I'm stuck right now. The instockness of the items in my order seems to change day to day. First they have it for my order, then they don't any more. Argh. Should I cancel? How long might it take? Bah.
ribbit
RE: UK prices for T3
It does sometimes happen that on-line retailers get overloaded and things go a little awry. I think we have a tendency to expect everything to happen instantly and for businesses to operate perfectly which is a totally unreasonable expectation. I only get upset when it is clear someone is deliberately messing me around.
As for prices the manufacturer's web site is usually the most expensive place to buy anything, although I have found Tottenham Court road retailers with prices beyond even the manufacturer's RRP.
RE: UK prices for T3
No offence to expansys – No doubt when they have product in stock they provide a good service at an unbeatable price. But they clearly haven't overspent on stock control systems.
ribbit
RE: UK prices for T3
I've used Dabs in the past and they were also very quick. In this case though I am exiting the country for a while so I want my VAT back.
MacOS X Entourage sync ?
Thanks
Colonel Panic
T4 predictions?
I'm guessing April/May release (since palm has a hitory of spring/fall releases). I'm thingking it will be based on the T|T3 but with 128Meg RAM, OS 6, with Java integrated into the WebBrowser, and perhaps a slightly larger battery. I know a lot of people are saying we won't see OS 6 for a year, but I'm thinking if Palm is releasing a dev kit in Dec, it must be pretty far along.
Now for pricing. I'm thinking that Palm is going to see how the T|T3 sells. If it sells poorly, T|T4 will be released at $399 or $450 and the T|T3 will drop by $50-$75. If the T|T3 is selling well, the T|T4 will be released at $450 to $500 and the T|T3 will drop $25-$50.
Anybody else got their own predictions?
Ron
RE: T4 predictions?
After consideration I realised the best option is to get the T3 and use it until the 2nd or even 3rd generation OS6 devices make their appearance - give them time to get the bugs out and add forgotten enhancements. Just like any other OS really.
New OS stuff
For example, I was surprised to see the following in an OS5 Palm:
Virtual Graffitti
Signficant enhancements to the PIM applications
Increased memo pad memory limit
Landscape screen
Were these new features rumored for T3?
RE: New OS stuff
Virtual Graffitti
Signficant enhancements to the PIM applications
-- CLIEs have had both! Sony modified the Contacts so it could display a picture. And the Nx CLIEs have had Soft Graff (yes, alone with the HandEra!).
This is part of licensee customization of the OS.
Hi Res Icons? More Fonts?
RE: Hi Res Icons? More Fonts?
Bluetooth Phone Drivers
RE: Bluetooth Phone Drivers
A couple of questions
1. I still am forced to use NT 4.0 at work -- is there a serial cradle for the T3?
2. I would like to see more information on the extended PIM apps and how the new conduit works? Is there an opportunity here for second party conduites? What fields from the PIM transfer to what fields in Outlook? Does the included conduit sync things like folders and categories (ala PocketMirror)?
T3 BlueTooth defect?
RE: T3 BlueTooth defect?
RE: T3 BlueTooth defect?
-do a hard reset (you do a lot of those getting your T3 setup - have a good 3rd party backup)
-load the updated AT Phone Driver files
-my Sony T68i pairs better when done from the phone using a simple pass key such as "1"
Good Luck
About the Contacts
But I want to talk about the software. In T|T3 and OS5, Palm have made quite good improvement but there's one thing that still bothering me. Why do Palm's Contacts (in T|T3) still cannot sort the list based on the first name? I need to remind them that many people in Asian countries especially still prefer to remember the colleagues by using their first name. I know that we can use other s/w, like AddressPlus that I use in my old trusty Clie 760. But Palm should make this little but vital feature in the future.
Thanks.
RE: About the Contacts
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Syncing with Palm Desktop 4.0
RE: Syncing with Palm Desktop 4.0
T4
The specialized input area is outdated. There are plenty of software solutions that allow input anywhere on the screen. And with the taskbar or other utilities basic options such as find, brightness, etc can be accessed without hotspots.
RE: T4
Buttons could be shrunk, although I prefer them as they are, but the space above and below the buttons could be reduced.
RE: T4
Go try Transcriber/Calligrapher on a Pocket PC. Then go try Decuma on a CLIE NX73/80. Decuma, with its dedicated area, is simply superior.
RE: T4
The problem with writing graffitti anywhere on the screen, and yes there are some very good graffitti 1 systems around, TealScript, Graffitti-Anywhere, is that the use of one screen for BOTH data entry AS WELL AS line or character or even block selection, is that the system must know what you want to do.
A dedicated data input area allows tapping the screen to mean one thing, selection of a block of text OR selection of where to type.
A dual use screen means that timing is used to detect whether this is data being typed OR this is locating the cursor.
The timing problem continually hanged my up on the Tingsten C which is why I got rid of it. The T3 is better in this respect that the TC.
The T3 is a fabulous machine, although my 128mb card disagrees! Any news on how Palm is comign on fixing it?
T3's VersaMail attachments not Mac-friendly?
I am having a problem sending and receiving e-mail attachments between the Palm and my Mac (but not on Windows).
Composing on the Palm: If I compose an e-mail on the Palm and add an attachment (e.g. a Word file, .jpg from the SD card) and e-mail it to myself, I can view the attachment when I receive it in Outlook XP under Windows XP. However, the same e-mail copied to the same e-mail address, although received by Apple Mail (1.2.5) under Mac OS X (10.2.8), does not allow viewing of _any_ attachment added by VersaMail; all I get is a coded text file.
Composing on the desktop: If the e-mail is composed within Apple Mail under OS X and received in VersaMail on the Palm, the attachment cannot be displayed by Photo, and if an attempt is made to view e.g. a GIF file in Web Pro, I get the message "Unable to display this image. Invalid image format." If the e-mail is composed within Outlook XP under Windows XP, and received in VersaMail on the Palm, the attachment can be viewed with either Photo or Web Pro (in this example).
So it would seem that the sending and receiving of attachments with VersaMail 2.61 is dependent on the user having a Windows-based system. Can anyone confirm that this is the case?
Is its case really made of aluminum?
I have a T3
1. I hate the sliding open and closing. What a pain! I can tell the thing is going to wear out and get wobbly, because it is just cheap plastic. Seemed cool on the shelf, but in real life, it makes living with the T3 pretty painful compared to my old Toshiba e310 PPC.
2. Bluetooth. Why did I want this again? Bluetooth is *nowhere* and there are no bluetooth devices to hook it up to. I bought a Belkin Bluetooth USB thing and stuck it in my PC. I synched my palm with it. It uses about 25% of the battery to do a synch, and it is about 4x as slow as the cradle, since it only goes 56k.
3. Connections - trying to get the bluetooth to connect was a chore. The docs online and with the device are useless and explain nothing. I had to fight it for five hours to get it to connect. Here's the really ugly part: I synched it once via bluetooth (took six minutes), and then I stupidly tried to up the speed in PREFS to 128kbs. That broke the connectoid, caused the T3 to drop the device name, and I had to do a hard reset and rebuild everything.
4. Don't touch the status bar while an application is thinking - especially webpro. Once I got onto the web via my bluetooth card (something that I do not see any use for), I stupidly tapped the status bar while it was trying to connect. DOINK! I had to hard reset to stop the error messages. Yes, it was the update version from PalmOne.
That's two hard resets.
5. Battery life: using bluetooth to do anything - especially hotsynch, uses up a buttload of battery life. I'll need to get a travel charger and a car charger or it will power out on me.
Third hard reset - it did power out on me. I'm starting to get tired of resetting it.
6. Almost no downloads work well with the T3. Agendus and Datebk are not aware of its big screen, nor do they use the OS5 high quality fonts. Blech! Stuff looks awful on it compared to the native apps.
7. Don't be fooled by versamail. There is no such thing as a useful email program for the palm. You reply to the email - the email is not marked as replied to either in outlook or on the palm.
In summary, bluetooth is useless and slow. I have no idea why this is supposedly useful compared to a cradle. The web browser causes hard resets, but so does bluetooth use and status bar playing during application time-outs.
Compared to the Vx, which I think of as that hardy woman who works the farm, pays the bills, and feeds the family, the T3 is a dumb blonde that wants jewelry, furs, and fast cars, but is as dumb as a brick but looks darned good on your arm.
Skip it. Get another model.
RE: I have a T3
RE: I have a T3
I have encountered one problem though. It seem the T3 chews up cards (SD). I have gone through two so far and still don't understand what is happening. It appears that there is a problem with the Hot Sync-to-the card process. After the hot sync, the card becomes usuless and any of the applications that can use the card cause the T3 to hang-up. After you reset the t3 and remove the card the device becomes alive again.
Has anyone else experienced this problem. Are you aware of a fix?
RE: I have a T3
It only recognises cards if I put card in then reset it. then new card means reset again.
I checked with palm. they scratched heads and said it must be a pin in the card slot that has "oxidised" (quote) due to inactivity.
Kinda makes sense since slot has not been used since new
RE: I have a T3
If it is oxidation, inserting and removing a card many times should rub off the corrosion unless it is extreme.
BTW, if you remove and then reinsert the same card, does it have the same problem? Does this problem exist for different cards or are you only testing with one particular card? I suppose Palm asked all of this, but who knows.
I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."
PXA 250 or 255 for the tungsten T3 ???
Eric
RE: PXA 250 or 255 for the tungsten T3 ???
Intel PXA27X, Motorola's ARM Processor, or Texas Instruments OMAP? Pick one Palm Enthusiasts, the choice should be yours. When handheld makers make you choose the ARM Processor, you win.
A Big Problem with the T3 -- Watch Out
Serious Tungsten T3 Problem!
Serious Problem with Tungsten T3
Bear with me folks, I have a tale of woe and and warning.
Summary: Palm has a problem with the Tungsten T3 screen. Some are bright, others are dark! I hope you don't get stuck with a dark one.
Here's the story.
I am a long time Palm user, most recently the T2. I took the plunge and purchased the T3 after looking at it again carefully in my local CompUSA. I got a great price from a company in California, newegg.com. Received the T3, powered it up. But. . . guess what? It was noticeable dark and dingy looking. Yes, I know how to operate a Palm. Brightness setting is on high, but no luck, still noticeably dark. Not the bright display I saw on the demo. So, I returned it, after a horrible hassle with Palm's customer service, etc. [another story].
I went to CompUSA and purchased another T3. Same problem. Dark screen. Then I did a Google search and discovered the claim that some T3 screens are noticeable dark, not bright. So, I took the CompUSA Tungsten T3 back and told them, "I want the demo." After a bit of puzzlement, I have the demo and have the bright, sharp T3 everyone is raving about.
SO, be warned!
IF you buy a T3 take it into a store with demo models and hold it up next to a T2 and a Tungsten E. You will quickly discover whether you have been stuck with a "dark screen" T3.
And if you are, you will be upset and angry as I still am.
Is Palm aware of this problem? Somebody on the Internet already is, there is a photo showing the two different screens, one nice and bright, one dark.
Anyone who sees a dark T3 is really amazed by it. I had five CompUSA emplyees huddled around as I showed them, yes, I had the brightness setting the same, yes same color scheme, but look how the T3 I have is darker than the Tungsten E and the T2 and the T3 demo! They all said, "Wow, look at that, man, that's bad."
So, be on your guard!
black out!!!
Help me please, my T3 is on "blackout" he will not work or charge or sync...
when i puch on reset buton, he give me the palm logo and that's all folks.
nothing.
maybe i virused
i was juste instaled whith "quick instalation" progr,
some downloaded progr.
i don't know if is possible?
please tel me more.
RE: black out!!!
RE: black out!!!
I had this blackout issue, turn the Palm on, see logo nice and clear, then straight to a black screen.
All is well again.
Thank you very much.
T3 is awesome
RE: T3 is awesome
Re: battery life; Make sure your unit has the most current OS. Tap Menu, Info, and then tap the box for version. It should say "Palm OS software v. 5.2.1" or higher. The first version had a problem which drained the battery and slowed performance. Also, turn of the BT radio when not in use, but you probably already know that! Still, the fastest handheld in the smallest form factor has a tradeoff, but it's worth it to me.
driver for tungsten t3
i wanted to know from where i can get the driver for the palm tungsten t3 driver for my computer i am using the xp as the operating system.i will be waiting for your reply.
with regards,
zakie khan
RE: driver for tungsten t3
http://www.palmone.com/us/support/downloads/tungsten.html#tungstent3
I have 2 of these units
the bluetooth can be used to hook up to the net with speed that is good enough for any hanheld user to be happy with without the power drain
bluetooth runs about 30 feet so you can move about the house while using it.
T3 is also great for viewing text.
I use it for the study of Classical Greek.
http://www.handheldclassics.com
I have a TX now and am going to part with my T3's
if interested drop me a line (email on the above site)
John Jackson
http://www.handheldclassics.com
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