Comments on: Palm Unveils Ares, Web Based webOS Development Tool
The web-hosted development environment features an array of developer tools including a drag-and-drop interface builder, code editor, visual javascript debugger, log viewer, framework enhancements, single click deployment on a device or emulator and built in SVN/Mecurial version source control. With this set of features interested developers can simply log in and upload a project or build a new one from scratch. Projects can be easily be uploaded and downloaded for what Palm describes as a seamless "desktop/cloud workflow."
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RE: Bold, Stupid or a bit of both?
I have a couple dozen apps on iTunes http://ax.search.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZSearch.woa/wa/search?entity=software&media=all&restrict=true&submit=seeAllLockups&term=tech+center+labs
and with 50 MILLION potential customers they only bring in a few hundred $/month.
Being required to sign up for a phone account for development hardware is the other reason I'll not switch.
Gary
Tech Center Labs
RE: Bold, Stupid or a bit of both?
Oh wait, wasn't that Palm's original business plan to begin with? I wish Jeff would give up his brain chip pipe dream and start kicking ass and taking names over a Palm and make things go right.
RE: Bold, Stupid or a bit of both?
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iresemble/id340081169?mt=8
Gary
Tech Center Labs
RE: Bold, Stupid or a bit of both?
A visual development environment for a smartphone which permits you to develop, test and deploy applications, and all the wailing willies can do is complain that their 1980's development tools aren't supported.
Planning to launch the app development crew ;-)
NASA plans to use Ares I to launch Orion, the spacecraft being designed for NASA human spaceflight missions after the Space Shuttle is retired in 2010. Ares I is intended to complement the larger, unmanned Ares V, which is the cargo launch vehicle for Constellation. NASA selected the Ares designs for their anticipated overall safety, reliability and cost-effectiveness.[4]
Gary
Tech Center Labs
RE: Planning to launch the app development crew ;-)
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RE: Planning to launch the app development crew ;-)
We got Palm ripping off the name of a Nasa missile to try to convince us that the webOS crap is something special, what they lack in technology advancements they try to mask with smoke and mirrors & cutesy names. Then we have an extraterrestrial thinking he discovered solar energy. Us desert dwellers have always known if you stand in the sun you get solar energy to warm you up, when you get warm enough you move to the shade.
Merry Christmas!
Gary
Tech Center Labs
RE: Planning to launch the app development crew ;-)
RE: Planning to launch the app development crew ;-)
i only hope that e-t and the we-com crew can someday monetize the we-com e-com solution.
OT: Netbook
i'm tempted to get this - any thoughts anyone? seems like a great deal.
Asus Eee PC 1005HAB-RBLU001X Netbook with Slip Case
SKU: 9999122700050001
Reg. Price:
$300.98
You Save:
$51.00
Our Price:
$249.98
RE: OT: Netbook
ozz
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But let me tell you, Gek, that I'm using a PC that has the "power" of a netbook and it is the kind of torment I would only like to inflict on Republicans and Capitalists. Oh wait -- that's you! Go buy it, big guy! Watch YouTube as slideshows. Have Flash ads bring it to its knees.
RE: OT: Netbook
Other than that Asus usually has a good build quality and the seashell design got many good reviews. Windows Xp instead of 7 starter, is a plus.
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RE: OT: Netbook
MikeCon - yes all i need it for is basic email, surfing, flash porn, and light word and excel documents. but sometimes i like to have all of these things running simultaneously. and i have neither the time nor the patience to be slowed down by a slow system.
RE: OT: Netbook
First of all, the HAB is a BestBuy-specific 'neutered' model designed to achieve a specific price point & ensure a specific B&M profit margin. As Palmato correctly states, they remove the N280 CPU and go with the older/slower N270 instead (533mhz FSB, .06Ghz slower CPU).
It also gets maybe 1/3 of the battery life of a full 1005HA-P (3-cell vs. 6-cell battery). The HAB also omits Bluetooth and the bundled neoprene pouch case.
Spend $43 more and get this one:
http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Seashell-1005HA-PU17-BU-10-1-Inch-Netbook/dp/B002P3KMXK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1261495012&sr=8-3
if you insist on an Atom machine---it has Win 7 Starter (still better IMO than the antiquated XP from a security, stability, and overall modernity standpoint), a higher capacity HDD, and a newer/faster CPU. Factor in free shipping w/ Amazon + no sales tax and it's a no-brainer!
PERSONALLY, I would avoid an Atom-based machine entirely and get one of the Intel CULV-based 11.6" machines. Whether it's Diamondville, Silverthorne, or or Pineview, the Atom is very performance-challenged and really only compelling if you are on an ultra-tight budget and/or need to be away from an AC outlet all day and need 9+ hours of runtime.
These are in high demand at the $399.99 MSRP but even for $50 more, it's a steal of a machine. I personally have the SU7300 Core 2 Duo ULV version of this 11.6" Acer and it's probably the best unit I've ever had from a size/price/performance ratio:
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-1410-2801-Widescreen-CineCrystal/dp/B002PIUYG0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1261495137&sr=8-2
Also, unless you are a hardcore gamer, there's no reason to go with ION + Atom over CULV on the higher end or straight up Atom on the lower end.
Email me if we need to discuss this further.
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RE: OT: Netbook
Definitely, absolutely, without a doubt go with (at minimum an ION-based Atom machine or ideally a CULV-based unit). Your dirty videos will do much, much better with more CPU horsepower behind them.
Right now, if you insist on a 10" or smaller screen, Atom's the only game in town. 11.6" and up is the place to be for CULV & ION platforms.
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RE: OT: Netbook
Where it doesn't fare so well is decompression of MPEG 4 stored at full DVD quality.
RE: OT: Netbook
ok - thanks for all the feedback. i think i'll hold out for a while. i see some new Dell Mini 10s are coming in Jan 2010 -
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/21/new-dell-inspiron-mini-10-debuts-features-atom-n450/
RE: OT: Netbook
And the CULVs are crap too. I tried one with Win 7 -- launching WordPad(!!!!) took FOUR FREAKIN SECONDS, OK? As crap as my desktop is, it doesn't take THAT long for WordPad!
WTF are you doing looking at FLV pr0n anyway? There's lots in WMV and MPEG. Or so the kidz tell me. Ahem.
RE: OT: Netbook
most of the fast, good, easy, and free porn is on the "tube" sites as flash movies. it's killing the porn business.
http://www.thewrap.com/article/1394
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/10/05/sex.sells/index.html
it just goes to show you that whatever business you're in - you can wake up one morning and because of technology the landscape can change and the ground right underneath your feet shifts and all of a sudden you're a dinosaur.
RE: OT: Netbook
"There will always be a company that replaces you. At some point your BlackSwan competitor will appear and they will kick your ass. Their product will be better or more interesting or just better marketed than yours, and it also will be free. They will be Facebook to your Myspace, or Myspace to your Friendster or Google to your Yahoo. You get the point. Someone out there with a better idea will raise a bunch of money, give it away for free, build scale and charge less to reach the audience. Or will be differentiated enough, and important enough to the audience to maybe even charge more. Who knows. But they will kick your ass and you will be in trouble." – Mark Cuban
"When you succeed with Free, you are going to die by Free. Your best bet is to recognize where you are in your company's lifecycle and maximize your profits rather than try to extend your stay at the top." – Mark Cuban
"Sooner or later, something fundamental in your business world will change." – Andrew Grove
"A strategic inflection point is a time in the life of a business when its fundamentals are about to change. That change can mean an opportunity to rise to new heights. But it may just as likely signal the beginning of the end. Strategic inflection points can be caused by technological change but they are more than technological change. They can be caused by competitors but they are more than just competition. They are full-scale changes in the way business is conducted, so that simply adopting new technology or fighting the competition as you used to may be insufficient. They build up force so insidiously that you may have a hard time even putting a finger on what has changed, yet you know that something has. Let's not mince words: A strategic inflection point can be deadly when unattended to. Companies that begin a decline as a result of its changes rarely recover their previous greatness. But strategic inflection points do not always lead to disaster. When the way business is being conducted changes, it creates opportunities for players who are adept at operating in the new way. This can apply to newcomers or to incumbents, for whom a strategic inflection point may mean an opportunity for a new period of growth." - Andy Grove
"The fact that an automated teller machine could be built has changed banking. If interconnected inexpensive computers can be used in medical diagnosis and consulting, it may change medical care. The possibility that all entertainment content can be created, stored, transmitted and displayed in digital form may change the entire media industry. In short, strategic inflection points are about fundamental change in any business, technological or not. We live in an age in which the pace of technological change is pulsating ever faster, causing waves that spread outward toward all industries. This increased rate of change will have an impact on you, no matter what you do for a living. It will bring new competition from new ways of doing things, from corners that you don't expect. It doesn't matter where you live. Long distances used to be a moat that both insulated and isolated people from workers on the other side of the world. But every day, technology narrows that moat inch by inch. Every person in the world is on the verge of becoming both a coworker and a competitor to every one of us, much the same as our colleagues down the hall of the same office building are. Technological change is going to reach out and sooner or later change something fundamental in your business world." – Andy Grove
RE: OT: Netbook
RE: OT: Netbook
i cover my tracks, Con. in fact, you're my patsy. i'm registered on all the sites as "Mike Cane, Staten Island, NY".
give my regards to Oswald.
RE: OT: Netbook
that Asus Netbook was pretty cheap. $250 which included the free sleeve. i just want to do basic email, light excel/word, light surfing, and the occasional youtube/flash porn video. i don't need super longbatter life since i typically bring the power cord anyway.
i just wanted a backup machine (backup to my company laptop) and a small light CHEAP machine i could easily throw in my overnight bag or carry on luggage. hauling a laptop is a bitch. i also like cheap too because if it gets bitched up or not used much i don't have to worry about it.
do i really need a bitching processor? 99% of usage will be email and web surfing. i do like to multitask though.
RE: OT: Netbook
Flash performance on the original EEE sucks, G, although things must have gotten slightly better since then.
the beauty of netbooks is they're very light and easy to prop open with one hand. xD
RE: OT: Netbook
is there that much of a noticeable difference between say a N270 vs. an N280? i've always thought it was RAM that made the big performance difference - not a next 1 or 2 speed level (not class) of processor.
RE: OT: Netbook
ozz
RE: OT: Netbook
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=1026142
This will be a "Doorbuster" sale. They will have 10 minimum per store so you better get in line early. The sale starts at 8:00 am.
Might be worth getting for what you want it for, Gek.
ozz
RE: OT: Netbook
thanks.
this looks interesting too -
Lenovo - IdeaPad Netbook with Intel® Atom® Processor - Black
Model: S10E | SKU: 9648687
Reg. Price:
$249.99
You Save:
$52.99
Sale:
$197.00
RE: OT: Netbook
RE: OT: Netbook
it appears the emachines is a rebranded acer -
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1765774
http://www.stevenjgarner.com/2009/12/emachines-em250-with-ubuntu-910-netbook.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevenjgarner/4210316233/in/set-72157623061906144/
Acer Black 10.1" Aspire One AOD250-1624 Netbook PC with Intel Atom Processor & Windows 7 Starter Edition
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=12961478#Specifications
RE: OT: Netbook
well i took a chance and got the emachines netbook from walmart for $228. using it right now. the thing is nice! great build quality (it's basically a rebranded acer). firefox, explorer, thunderbird, filezilla, word, excel, youtube, and flash porn all run fast and great.
for $228 i couldn't resist. that's like a bar bill or a speeding ticket!
what's my best bet for email app? thunderbird? using that now since don't know of better alternatives. no outlook express with win7 which is what i used before.
best wishes all.
RE: OT: Netbook
You could install Windows Mail which is what is on Vista and replaced Outlook Express. Windows Mail is free and works fine on my Vista desktop. I may go over to Walmart today and check this out, too (if I can avoid getting stuck in the snow!)
ozz
RE: OT: Netbook
The two things your money goes to most!
RE: OT: Netbook
i never ever shop at walmart. i hate the place. it's like a crowd from the star wars bar. called at 8ish am this morning - i asked if they had any. they said 13 and nobody bought one yet and there was no line. then they tell me they've been open since 6am. so i first pop into best buy and ask them what's the cheapest netbook they got. they have an asus for $329. so then i traipse over to walmart and pick up my little netbook. the box was tiny - they come from warehouse packaged two together and i thought that was one - and small. then dude tells me that was two. he hands me one box and it was like the size of a tissue box. tiny. 15 day return policy and $228 makes this a no brainer. been customizing this bad boy all day. windows 7 is sweet and this puppy hums. i would have been afraid of the emachines brand but hkk said that he has an acer with great build quality and then i find out that acer makes emachines now! this puppy is exactly like the acer one netbook.
it's hard to believe that just a few short years ago we'd have to spend $369 for a 160x160 monochrome palm pilot with 2MB RAM and a 33mhz processor.
now for $228 i get a 10.1"LCD, 1.6GHZ, 1GB RAM, 250GB real computer.
we live in an amazing time! and our best days are yet to come!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: OT: Netbook
Oh, you'll be needing a lot of those now. LMAO!
RE: OT: Netbook
The EEE, even the cheapest 2G SSD version, destroyed the Fooleo in every single spec other than screen size/resolution. It certainly beat it in CPU/GPU speed, RAM, port selection, wireless connectivity etc.
The Fooleo was basically LifeDrive/TX innards blown up to netbook proportions. In fact, I've always maintained that Hawkins & Colligan had some kind of LifeDrive 2 in the works that used SSD for storage. But it eventually likely outgrew the feeble capabilities of Garnet, so the Fooleo project ultimately came about.
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RE: OT: Netbook
not to mention size and form factor in addition to price, specs, performance, hardware, capabilities, and standards. i think this netbook is smaller, sleeker, and lighter than the fooleo.
comments blast from the not so distant past -
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/7471/hawkins-talks-netbooks-in-first-post-foleo-interview/
RE: OT: Netbook
RE: OT: Netbook
Con - why f**k around with anything other than a Netbook at this point? there's no need to compromise anymore. the capitalistic free market system that you deride and hate so much has given you technological innovation and value beyond your wildest dreams.
RE: OT: Netbook
A netbook IS a compromise too, you dimwit.
RE: OT: Netbook
"Most probably, of our decisions to do something positive, the full consequences of which will be drawn out over many days to come, can only be taken as the result of animal spirits -- of a spontaneous urge to action and not as the outcome of a weighted average of quantitative benefits multiplied by quantitative probabilities. Enterprise only pretends to be mainly actuated by the statement in its own prospectus. Only little more than an expedition to the South Pole, is it based on an exact calculation of benefits to come. Thus if the animal spirits are dimmed and the spontaneous optimism falters, leaving us to depend on nothing but a mathematical expectation, enterprise will fade and die; though fears of loss may have a basis no more reasonable than the hopes of profit had before." - John Maynard Keynes
RE: OT: Netbook
Laptops in the Year 2000 Were the Smartphones of Today
VAIOs in the Year 2000 Were the Netbooks of Today
http://gizmodo.com/5437844/laptops-in-the-year-2000-were-the-smartphones-of-today
RE: OT: Netbook
RE: OT: Netbook
what do you mean? what specifically do you disagree with?
Sony was making Netbooks back in 2000. albeit expensive.
RE: OT: Netbook
Con - it appears you made it to 2010. but what are the chances that you'll see 2011? the way i see it with your weak immune system and poor judgment - you're only one bad contaminated slice of pizza or one dumb pedestrian mishap away from winning a Darwin Award. hopefully they'll find more than just a pair of black converse and a grease spot left.
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko wrote:
what do you mean? what specifically do you disagree with?Sony was making Netbooks back in 2000. albeit expensive.
And that's precisely the problem with this position. A netbook by my definition is not supposed to be expensive. The whole point of netbooks is that they are cheap because they are designed specifically for web and email use -- hence the name "netbook." Sony made small, expensive general purpose laptops which were made with the exact same chips as any other 2000 era laptop. There was no low power Atom chip designed to minimize battery life in 2000. There were only tiny (by the standards of the era), little VAIO laptops which even the sales drone would concede that "it looks like a toy" which would have meager battery life and would cost at least $500 more than a comparably specced big boy laptop.
The old Sony VAIO laptops were not netbooks then and the MacBook Air is not a netbook today.
Palm Apologist
Shouting down the PIC Faithful Since 2009
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
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RE: OT: Netbook
of course they were not exactly netbooks but they helped pave the way. i would say they were far more like netbooks than are that God forsaken fooleo was. it boils my blood when i hear someone claim that the stillborn weak crippled ill fated fooleo was the first netbook. BULLSHIT! revisionist history.
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Palm Apologist
Shouting down the PIC Faithful Since 2009
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko thinks these are Converses?
http://twitpic.com/7arbz
What a maroon!
RE: OT: Netbook
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
how's the Pre treating you? is it growing on you yet? like a bad rash???
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
I'm actually facing a dilemma now - joining the Aus Army in a few weeks on Jan 19th and wondering which one I'll take to boot camp. I don't think the Pre is tough enough, and battery life sucks too much. I don't think it'd serve me well there...
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
the army? may i ask why?
congratulations and good luck.
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
I'm doing an apprenticeship. Gonna be a Telecoms Tech (i.e. mr. fixit for all the comms equipment and general IT stuff) - 80 days of boot camp and then two years training at the School of Signals. Signing up for six years' service... have no idea what my Internet access is gonna be like at Sigs so I may or may not be still blogging for PIC once I'm there. Dunno at this stage.
but thanks!
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
On the by and by, I come from a military family (Mexican military, then American). My cousins used to say that there were only two good reasons to go into the service: 1.) you want to jump start your life, 2.) you like to blow things up.
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
I'd imagine non-military-issued cell phones would be right out. And any cell phone WITH a camera right OUT.
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
For someone like myself who has NEVER used a razor to shave (always an electric shaver), it must be an interesting and especially painful experience!
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
http://www.army.com/enlist/bootcamp-what-to-bring.html
The Marines are not quite as liberal:
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25168
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
You take one suitcase, and yep, no electric shavers. But I've always used a razor anyways... electric shavers seem like an unnecessary expense for something so simple. (Although the price of replacement blades always seem to be going up by ridiculous amounts.)
Gekko: I'm convinced that the Village People are single-handedly responsible for the plummeting recruit numbers of various navies around the globe...
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Why A 7-Inch iTablet Makes Sense
http://ebooktest.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/why-a-7-inch-itablet-makes-sense/
Poor Gekko. He's being surrounded by Apple Apple Apple Apple.
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Could be a viable replacement for the Eee...
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
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>will wind up being called) with iTunes, I'd be interested in it in a way I'm not
>interested in the iPhone.
Which means you're not really interested - if it's like any other Apple product, Apple will be looking to leverage their "walled garden" to support it.
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
If Apple had just wanted to release a convention tablet computer, or something to directly compete in the net book market, they would have done so last year I think.
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
They know that without the app store it would just be another foleo or newton.
Gary
Tech Center Labs
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Bold, Stupid or a bit of both?
The concept of doing development in a web browser is definitely going to split the development community. Again, for simple, Visual Basic like development where you flip-flop between forms, this will do fine. The execution of this product to delivery is killer, however, will it be accepted?
Again, no native SDK nor compiler. They are going to loose a lot of business not getting that out for the general developer community.