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PalmSource today announced David Nagel, PalmSource president and CEO, is presenting at the Gartner Symposium and ITxpo in Orlando, Florida. During the Vendor Solution Presentation (VSP), PalmSource will demonstrate how Palm Powered devices deliver enterprise-grade solutions for mission critical mobile business application deployment.
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Hope they pay attention to enterprise security

Altema @ 10/19/2004 1:51:00 PM #
Right now, there are no POS solutions for some of the common security setups. It was tough for me to recommend HP products to our staff of 13,000, but I had to do it because Palm OS device currently have no options for true LEAP authentication.

RE: Hope they pay attention to enterprise security
cz1 @ 10/19/2004 3:52:11 PM #
Sorry for not being familiar with LEAP, however as secure as this email solution/API may be, we came to the same conclusion and simply forbid using any kind of pda within the company network. Currently (at least with Palm) I can see no way of preventing unsolicited private syncing of company data to private PC's and vice versa.
RE: Hope they pay attention to enterprise security
chilimost @ 10/19/2004 10:41:17 PM #
The Meetinghouse Aegis client provides LEAP funcitonality on the T|C. The bigger issue, though, is that Palm claims to be targeting enterprises, yes STILL has not provided an update to include WPA support (including TKIP/MIC)for the wireless on the T|C. If the next device they ship with wireless (and presumably Cobalt) doesn't support enterprise level WPA, they are full of ****e when they speak of this vision...

Translation: They want to sell you content and apps.

Strider_mt2k @ 10/19/2004 4:14:30 PM #
Just cut the BS and explain how (and why) we'll all be paying for proprietary apps and services in the future!

If you think this stuff is heading in any other direction you are wrong.

The infrastructure is being laid now.

Good vision!

e_tellurian @ 10/19/2004 4:25:30 PM #

Before we "go everywhere" some of us would like to build a prototype.

Some bone heads with box cutters have kind of made "going everywhere" silly. We can bring back the fun in "go everywhere" without compromising the "go everywhere" freedom generations of our youth have sacrificed so much.

"Back to the future" great movie Mike ... does not include taking away choices. Raven wants to offer more for people to do with their wallets without compromising their freedom to choose.

"Gota love it" and "i'm loving it" too just would be nice to get it delivered to the house how we want. Eh some folks want to sell beef burgers, French fries and salads, some want a home with a family, dog, and boat and to build, sell and interact with people driven innovation. And some want the choice to purchase what they need and want how they want ... win-win.

Vision is good when looking together RF did we can too.




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RE: Good vision!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/19/2004 9:39:00 PM #
But as we innovate, the pro-active companies still out there will grok this leveraged positioning. E-businesses using viral marketing can potentiate VoIP and ODMR-type protocols, obviating the need for similar co-branding.

Palm's burnrate is a good counterpoint to the post-Techno-utopianism that now dominates busines-to-Business e-commerce. Palm might as well "go phish(ing)" if they keep playing this particular deck.

Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

Before we have wireless everywhere...

atrizzah @ 10/19/2004 5:26:53 PM #
PalmOne will have to start building it into their handhelds.


Peace Out

RE: Before we have wireless everywhere...
Take1 @ 10/19/2004 7:38:47 PM #

RE: Before we have wireless everywhere...
Altema @ 10/19/2004 7:44:33 PM #
What!? IR does not count?


RE: Before we have wireless everywhere...
rikster @ 10/20/2004 10:46:47 PM #
Well, I'll just pick up my T5 & logon to my wireless router.....

Oh, hang on, my T5 does not have wifi !.......

Wireless everywhere... well, that's true, there should be wireless everywhere. It's just that no Palm users can access it. It must just be for the PPC crowd.


Gekko @ 10/19/2004 5:40:31 PM #

Hey Nagel - Where are all the Cobalt devices? It's been a year.

Enough of the spin and buzzword press releases.

Where's the beef?

RE: PalmdeathbedSores
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/19/2004 9:59:27 PM #
Out of respect for Dave Thomas - founder of "Wendy's" - please cease making references to "The beef" that is MIA from Palm's current offerings.

Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

PPC cultboyz display their ignorance (again!)

mikecane @ 10/20/2004 9:16:58 AM #


c't: what would you advice Microsoft with respect to smartphones?

Nagel: I would rather not give advice to Microsoft...

c't: ... and if you wouldn't be CEO of PalmSource?

Nagel: Then I would say: "just start all over right from the scratch" [from the beginning].


Well, duh! One of MS's own drones at the time said the same damned thing. But do the PPC cultboyz even *know* that? (Expect *them* to read books -- and even books about the idol they worship?)


Many executives inside Microsoft thought Ballmer's reorganization didn't go far enough in untangling the company's many charters. Harel Kodesh, an Israeli-born engineer in charge of Microsoft's efforts on non-PC devices, had undergone an almost religious epiphany. Kodesh had helped develop Windows CE for "consumer electronics" such as handhelds, cell phones, set-top boxes, and the voice-activated "Auto PC" for car dashboards. At first, Kodesh subscribed to Gates's notion that, as with PCs, a uniform operating system across many different electronic devices would attract software developers, who generally target their efforts on the highest-volume platform. Because Windows CE used the same tools and Win32 interfaces as Windows for the PC, Microsoft's dominance in the PC market would give it additional leverage in the non-PC world. Windows CE was a key element in the Windows Everywhere strategy.

But it hadn't worked out that way. Microsoft seemed permanently behind in the handheld market, where Palm was established as the software of choice for "personal digital assistants." And Microsoft was being outflanked by a consortium of cell phone makers, led by Nokia, which established the Symbian joint venture with a British software maker, Psion, to create a specialized operating system far Web-connected cell phones, a potentially huge market.

Kodesh realized that he, and Microsoft, were both on the wrong track. The vaunted Windows leverage had turned out to be a liability. Kodesh had met *Innovator's Dilemma* author Clayton Christensen at a symposium at Harvard. He came back to Redmond with a hundred copies of the book for his thousand-person group. The "information appliance" was exactly the kind of disruptive technology Christensen warned about, Kodesh argued. The new devices needed to be small, cheap, and most of all "cool." That meant they should be precisely tailored to the needs of particular consumers for particular uses. Microsoft's software was like a Swiss Army knife, adequate for many things but optimized for none. It was the only software that could work in handhelds, phones, and set-tops, but it wasn't the best software for any of those categories.

To Kodesh, Microsoft's initiatives were driven by the dictates of the company's technology, rather than the wishes of consumers. An electronics maker like Casio could focus on delivering a product with just the right features for consumers; Microsoft insisted on squeezing PC applications like Word and Excel into the miniature devices.

Kodesh had a radical idea. Microsoft should keep Windows CE for handheld devices but start from scratch on new software for cell phones and all other non-PC devices. Microsoft should start from the other direction, asking manufacturers what they could build for, say, ninety-nine dollars and offering to give them the software they needed, rather than only the software the company already had. The choice was familiar: Would Microsoft embrace the new market for non-PC devices, create an autonomous company-within-a-company to tackle it, and do anything it took to win? Or would it shackle the new devices to its traditional businesses?

In September 1999, Kodesh wrote a memo to Gates and Ballmer under the heading "Starting from Scratch." We need to kill Windows CE for those categories, he argued. Win32 is not an advantage; it's a tax on device design. It served to further Microsoft's strategy but not to help consumers. Given all their other alternatives, electronics manufacturers wouldn't pay the tax. Kodesh wanted to take a small group of developers and work solely on developing the best software for information appliances, unconstrained by the needs of the rest of the company.

Gates rejected the suggestions. "It's very disappointing you feel that way," he told Kodesh. "We don't have time to start from scratch."

Kodesh left Microsoft several months later. [Breaking Windows: How Bill Gates Fumbled the Future of Microsoft - David Bank; Copyright 2001 by David Bank; pgs. 179-180]

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e_tellurian @ 10/20/2004 3:06:16 PM #
i trust the WWRF group, the Bluetooth sig and all sites are included too.

We-com does not mean one currency it means wireless electronic commerce. Commerce traded digitally can move in many ways and take on visions of the artisan in images as we do today with analog currency.

The purpose in building a prototype is to determine what people want.



completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution



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