Comments on: Former palmOne CEO to Head HP Handheld & PC Unit

HP has announced that former palmOne CEO Todd Bradley, will run its PC and handheld business. Bradley spent three years as palmOne's CEO before leaving the company in January. At HP, Bradley will serve as Executive Vice President in charge of the Personal Systems Group (PSG) - the unit responsible for PCs, workstations, monitors and handhelds.
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Switching Platforms

FredPC @ 6/13/2005 6:58:11 PM # Q
WOW!

Talk about a "severe" migration from Palm to PocketPC!


~ FredPC

RE: Switching Platforms
SeldomVisitor @ 6/13/2005 7:04:23 PM # Q
WOW!

Talk about a TOTAL lack of a non-compete clause in his employment contract!

Now THAT'S fascinating!

[he can't hire anyone away from PLMO for one year from the time he left - that's January 2005, I believe, not June 2005]

RE: Switching Platforms
ocspub @ 6/13/2005 8:10:11 PM # Q
> Talk about a TOTAL lack of a non-compete clause in his employment contract!

Check out California Business and Professions Code, Section 16600.

Oliver (IANAL)

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RE: Switching Platforms
cervezas @ 6/13/2005 9:31:26 PM # Q
There are one or two PalmSource execs who came over from HP (can't remember who just now) so for whatever reason this doesn't seem to be unusual.


David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
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Catch Up to Ya Later?

LiveFaith @ 6/13/2005 8:33:34 PM # Q
Maybe Bradley is paving the way for HP to just absorb little Palm? Let Palm do the WM transition on Treo, take the hit, then buy them out to "save" them, meanwhile getting space in the future Palmix platform to boot? Just musing.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
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Migration Syndrome

vesther @ 6/13/2005 9:32:39 PM # Q
Hmmm...if for any reason HP has to absorb palmOne for some reason, then I think Bradley has what I call "The Migration Syndrome". I think those who serve as underlings of Handspring already has this kind of syndrome--I think Todd Bradley has a bad case of Migration Syndrome.

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His hiring was not about his PDA experience

Rome @ 6/13/2005 9:58:09 PM # Q
Todd is an operations guy, and he was brought in to fix HP's operational problems. PDA business is next to nothing in HP's PSG division. Todd's main contributions to HP will mainly be in the supply chain area, not strategy, marketing and/or product development.

This is going to be a tough job for Todd, and I hope he does well.

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Palm OS adoption at HP

benamy @ 6/13/2005 10:03:05 PM # Q
My only hope from this announcement is that with the head of HP being a former Palm head that HP will consider licensing PSRC products and make a COMPLETE line of handhelds.

This can only be good news for PSRC not so good for PLMO.

What do you think?

Ben


RE: Palm OS adoption at HP
benamy @ 6/13/2005 10:18:52 PM # Q
4:19PM Hewlett-Packard names R. Todd Bradley as EVP of its Personal Systems Group (HPQ) 23.89 +0.47:Co appointed R. Todd Bradley to serve as EVP of its Personal Systems Group (PSG), which includes co's notebook and desktop PCs, handhelds, monitors, workstations and related support services. Bradley, 46, most recently spent four years at palmOne (PLMO), three as Pres/CEO. His appointment re-establishes PSG as a standalone business, following its combination in January 2005 with the Imaging and Printing Group (IPG). Vyomesh (V.J) Joshi, who had served as executive vice president of the combined Imaging and Personal Systems Group, will resume his former role as executive vice president of IPG.

CAPS FOR SEPERATION FROM NEW CLIP:

WITH MR. BRADLEY HAVING SUCH A BROAD POSITION IN THE PSG GROUP MAKING NOTEBOOKS, DESKTOPS, HANDHELDS AND SUPPORT SERVICES, HE COULD REALLY DO SOMETHING WITH A PALM LINUX OS.

ULTRA LIGHT NOTEBOOKS COULD BE MADE, DESKTOPS RUNING LINUX WITH AN IDENTIFIABLE GUI, AND HANDHELDS THAT COULD BE INCREDIBLE.

JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW AGGRESSIVE HP WANTS TO BE WITH IT NEW PRODUCTS BUT THE POTENTIAL IS THEIR.



RE: Palm OS adoption at HP
Rome @ 6/13/2005 10:27:03 PM # Q
Compaq, before being acquired by HP, actually had a prototype PDA based on Palm OS. For some reasons, those PDAs never saw the light.

It is still too early to speculate what Todd will do in the PDA space. He has bigger fish to fry in the next 12-18 months, so my guess is that he will do absolutely nothing new in the PDA/Smartphone any time soon.

RE: Palm OS adoption at HP
big_raji @ 6/13/2005 10:43:41 PM # Q
I think we'd really need to see something impressive from Palmsource before speculating on a Palm/HP marriage here.

People have been saying it for years, but I'll echo it yet again, the zen of palm is dying/dead. People want fancy pretty gadgets with lots of features.

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http://www.d2kin.ca

RE: Palm OS adoption at HP
kevdo @ 6/15/2005 3:19:28 PM # Q
>For some reasons, those PDAs never saw the light.

Hmmmm, you think Microsoft might have objected....

-Kevin Crossman, Palm Powered Software Champion

RE: Palm OS adoption at HP
Foo Fighter @ 6/15/2005 3:59:29 PM # Q
>> "My only hope from this announcement is that with the head of HP being a former Palm head that HP will consider licensing PSRC products and make a COMPLETE line of handhelds."

That seems unlikely since PalmOS market share is declining, which indicates LESSENING demand.

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RE: Palm OS adoption at HP
rsc1000 @ 6/15/2005 4:31:15 PM # Q
>>That seems unlikely since PalmOS market share is declining, which indicates LESSENING demand.

Yeah - but part of that is the fact that p1 is the only lisensee. HP sells boxes that run Linux - so they are not ideologically married to redmond. Not that i think it will happen mind you - but heck, anything is possible.

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Interaction?

e_tellurian @ 6/13/2005 10:28:31 PM # Q
This may be a good way to finally get the most creative groups in the history of digital to work with a focus on the customer.

PC, PDA, PPC, Smart phone and we-com technology are all forms of digital interaction. If we listen and build to what we hear vs. building for the sake of assuming "they will come" will we offer more choices?

Let's make peace the most profitable choice. To build a people driven industry is only possible in a democracy so let's show the world what democracy can do for you too.

Yes more choices are more expensive that is the price of democracy.

Working together is not the same as working as one … it is better!

Peace,

E-T

e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

RE: Interaction?
PhylarDreamhalls @ 6/14/2005 12:16:59 AM # Q
Hrm throwing together buzzwords and emotionally hyped words doesn't make up for substance... nice cheap plug for your company. Are you trying to be a manager?

RE: Interaction?
Gekko @ 6/14/2005 7:32:24 AM # Q

no, he's insane.

RE: Interaction?
honus @ 6/14/2005 10:14:47 AM # Q
You made some typos, allow me:
completing the VC circle with a buzz-word driven BS solution.


Hope that helps.

Much love,
Honus

RE: Interaction?
e_tellurian @ 6/14/2005 9:27:20 PM # Q
:-(lol) thanks for your thoughts.

Like most successful international "companies" started with an idea focused on the customer (people) who give the company purpose.

VC2K, Raven, e-knarr, we-com virtual wallet is not yet a company and to some that is insane. A good company assures all that have risked their thoughts are never left behind. In an advanced economy we can include all thoughts. "Insane" thoughts have value too depending on ones frame of mind. To be called "insane" or to be insane what would you rather choose?

Let's give more purpose to digital in the form of people driven choices that are open to unique thoughts that do not compromise ones freedom(s)

Eh some have interacted with many PDAs ... even the DOS based 200 LX.

Peace,

E-T also (and) in French

e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

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Peter Principle in Action

Gekko @ 6/13/2005 11:11:03 PM # Q

"Peter Principle" - The theory that employees within an organization will advance to their highest level of competence and then be promoted to and remain at a level at which they are incompetent.

What's next? Nagel to head up Windows Mobile Division?

RE: Peter Principle in Action
drw @ 6/14/2005 12:04:42 AM # Q
I agree that inserting this guy into HP is analogous to HP swallowing a poison pill. He is the embodiment of a P1 trojan horse left outside the castle of HP. Bad times are ahead for HP if the dismal leadership at PalmOneSource has shown us. They're more interested in constantly reorganizing where the office furniture should go and pay little attention to the business at hand which nowadays seems to be $49 reconditioned Palm IIIxe's.

Oh yes, I've now been to Circuit City, Best Buy and Frys and no one is carrying the lifedrive or "stillborndrive". They have abandoned the segment, their customers, and most importantly, themselves. Apple has Jobs, Microsoft has Bill, Dell has Michael. Who does Palm have to re-invigorate the cycle and platform? Certainly not Hawkins. Who will step up to the plate and be the new evangelist at Palm?????????????????

---
David

RE: Peter Principle in Action
drw @ 6/14/2005 12:12:50 AM # Q
Please note that in the passion of the moment, I didn't run a spell check and there could be also grammatical and syntax errors above.

---
David
RE: Peter Principle in Action
Rome @ 6/14/2005 12:45:06 AM # Q
"Apple has Jobs, Microsoft has Bill, Dell has Michael. Who does Palm have to re-invigorate the cycle and platform? Certainly not Hawkins. Who will step up to the plate and be the new evangelist at Palm?????????????????"

How about Jeff and Ed?

RE: Peter Principle in Action
wilco @ 6/14/2005 1:33:27 AM # Q
[Quote]How about Jeff and Ed?[/Quote]

Jeff Kirvin and Ed Hardy?

Yeah, I know it's Mr. Hawkins and Ed Colligan, but come to think of it, Maybe Kirvin and Hardy could be more atunned to what the endusers wants...

RE: Peter Principle in Action
Gekko @ 6/14/2005 7:33:47 AM # Q

kirvin? that guy should be making doughnuts somewhere.



RE: Peter Principle in Action
lamp @ 6/14/2005 11:18:17 AM # Q
>>Oh yes, I've now been to Circuit City, Best Buy
>> and Frys and no one is carrying the lifedrive or
>>"stillborndrive".

LifeDrive spotted in CompUSA White Plains NY!



RE: Peter Principle in Action
e_tellurian @ 6/14/2005 9:40:10 PM # Q
What about just plane "principle" in action?

When some try to be "principled" you imply they are "insane".

Have principled people gone mad or have some simply forgotten that to be un-principled was "insane" ... 9/11 was an un-principled choices with ridicules consequences.

If the future is "insane" then we must value education too to bridge understanding. Perhaps with understanding comes sanity. Perhaps "insanity" is a consequence of not enough choices?

Peace,

E-T

e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

RE: Peter Principle in Action
Gekko @ 6/14/2005 9:49:33 PM # Q

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and
over and expecting different results.



RE: Peter Principle in Action
e_tellurian @ 6/14/2005 9:54:00 PM # Q
If i do not believe in this research who will?

E-T

e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

RE: Peter Principle in Action
Gekko @ 6/14/2005 10:00:16 PM # Q

"Talk doesn't cook rice." - Chinese Proverb

RE: Peter Principle in Action
ackmondual @ 6/15/2005 5:09:55 AM # Q
cUSA has the LD and still the T5, but they decide to drop the zods. Fascinating
RE: Peter Principle in Action
lamp @ 6/15/2005 9:18:59 AM # Q
>>cUSA has the LD and still the T5, but they decide to drop the zods. Fascinating

Zod spotted at CompUSA, White Plains, NY!

Serious.



RE: "Proverb" in Action
e_tellurian @ 6/15/2005 9:41:34 PM # Q
:-(lol

""Talk doesn't cook rice." - Chinese Proverb"

Some also care how the rice will get paid for so thinking of ways to work in North America along with a federation of the willing seems logical too.

"Where's the beef"? Where's the NHL hockey? Where's the lumber? Where's the choice to power our cars with choices?

Rice would not exist, nor would the above choices, if some person(s) did not ask (talk) about the value of rice. In a democracy people give talk value, which gives capital value, which is why capitalism is a component of democracy. It is people free to be ridiculed that take the early risks – North American proverb

Let's do more than proverb … WE have too much to do?

Peace,

E-T

e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

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Congratulation to Michael Dell

Georg @ 6/14/2005 8:49:32 AM # Q
Now Michael Dell has the big opportuinty to take over the hold PDA market! He can buy PalmOne and PAlmsource for probably peanuts very soon, and hes main competitor HP will be driven to hell by Nagel........

looking for a industrial stile PalmOS divice
RE: Congratulation to Michael Dell
LiveFaith @ 6/14/2005 2:38:35 PM # Q
Not so fast their HTC boys ... it looks like HP already has a Bradley inspired device in development. Pics just hit today!

http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/hpalm1.jpg

http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/hpalm2.jpg

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: Congratulation to Michael Dell
Gekko @ 6/14/2005 9:50:18 PM # Q

Dell has been acquiring his competitors...


one customer at a time.



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Missing the boat

voice of chaos @ 6/14/2005 2:58:01 PM # Q
Most of the comments are missing the boat here. The iPaq/handheld portion of the business is roundoff error compared to the PC portion of the business. Even smartphones is going to take a while to grow IF that is HP's direction and business plan. The biggest issue is trying to undo Fiorina's damage to the business. For this kind of job you want a guy with experience in running an enterprise of this scale who has turnaround experience. Bradley's got a good background here. I think the only thing they care about his time at Palm/palmOne is that he took them to profitability.

RE: Missing the boat
e_tellurian @ 6/14/2005 9:47:04 PM # Q
E-knarr is a boat missing some people.

Ideas turn companies around and start companies too. Perhaps a small world enterprise (SWE) can help grow others too.

Nothing is free equity is what it is a debt with value that belongs to many people.

Peace,

E-T

e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

RE: Missing the boat
IndyDave @ 6/15/2005 12:46:52 AM # Q
I'm sorry to be blunt, but your epiphany is truly lame nonsense.

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e_tellurian RULEZ!!!

The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/15/2005 1:04:16 AM # Q
e-t speakes the message with alarming clarity. He would make a good Palm executive.


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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: e_tellurian RULEZ!!!
rsc1000 @ 6/15/2005 4:41:30 PM # Q
e_tellurian is my favorite poster at PIC. the perfect insane anti-doubt to all the boring, cynical, stuck-records who say nothing new here. I'm still trying to figure out if he is in-fact, some sort of pseudo AI application that is badly translated by a human from another language.

RE: e_tellurian RULEZ!!!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/15/2005 8:51:55 PM # Q
If you knew who E-T really was you'd wet your pants. (Or wet your pants more than usual.)


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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: e_tellurian RULEZ!!!
e_tellurian @ 6/15/2005 11:07:35 PM # Q
No ... please do not say that.

Rules are important and i am a bad example of rules.

Today while rushing a bucket of concrete to a hard working fellow i tripped and almost fell off the roof. The worst part was i could have knocked this fellow off too.

i know: no "running", "lift your feet", "are you tied off"?

It's all so simple and yet sooo complicated. The poem about a whole in the bucket suddenly made sense as lives flashed before my eyes.

Anyway follow the rules that are logical and be patient with those that are well meaning.

Thanks to all that watch my back, it must be the most stressful job in the world and part of the BIG picture.

All people help create value and give time value hence capital its value.

People give value purpose and rules are meant to get value to grow with all that risk their thoughts.

Thanks,

E-T

e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

RE: e_tellurian RULEZ!!!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/15/2005 11:34:55 PM # Q
Wow, man. That was deep. Real deep. Sometimes late at night after I've taken a couple of hits, I like to read your posts here at Palminfocenter. Peotry, man. Pure poetry. I wish Ryan would find a way for us to link to every post you've made here over the years, E-T


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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: e_tellurian RULEZ!!!
e_tellurian @ 6/15/2005 11:42:16 PM # Q
Thanks for your thoughts.

If it takes drugs to understand, then my thoughts are not worth reading.

Please try reading my thoughts when your mind is clear too. Then compare the experience and let us know if Ryan should spend more time (money) on these thoughts.

Ryan thanks for the years of allowing some thoughts to grow ... equity has value when people risk their time to allow unique, "insane" interaction.

Perhaps sanity is a state of mind best enjoyed with a clear mind.

Peace,

E-T

e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

RE: e_tellurian RULEZ!!!
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/16/2005 12:57:54 AM # Q
What are you talking about drugs? I said I like to read your posts after my wife has beaten* me in the basement.


*apologies to *******
;-O




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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: e_tellurian RULEZ!!!
e_tellurian @ 6/16/2005 9:25:32 PM # Q
:-(lol)

Your wife seems like my wife except i get hit for not having a "real" job.

Nice to know your mind is clear too ... thanks for your thoughts and give my regards to your wife and please apologise to her for misunderstanding her husband.

Please tell me you have a PC in your basement. Now some see why asking questions are so important too.

Peace,

E-T



e-tellurian

completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution

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Mike Cane: Here's Mike Mace on your 12 Cobalt smartphones:

The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/15/2005 11:54:54 PM # Q
http://www.allaboutpalm.com/forum/showthread.php?p=111#post111


>>Why is Palmsource more hesitant about releasing new licensee info while Microsoft and Symbian appear to tout new licensees at every chance they get?

I don't know how it is for other companies, but our licensees generally don't want us to say anything until they are ready to ship. Sometimes we have to announce anyway, but we'll do that only if the licensee is so large that it's the sort of thing we have to report to investors.

Also, while we want more licensees, we're not trying just for raw numbers, especially in the smartphone space. The smartphone markets are not limitless in size, and even if they were, the carriers won't offer a limitless number of products. Most new smartphones, on any platform, fail. Although I'd love the PR impact of announcing a dozen new licensees tomorrow, for the long-term good of the platform I'd prefer to see us do a really good job with several licensees than a mediocre job with a dozen.




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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: Mike Cane: Here's Mike Mace on your 12 Cobalt smartphones:
AdamaDBrown @ 6/16/2005 2:02:39 AM # Q
What good does that do if you're not doing any kind of job for any of your licensees? Last time I checked, PalmOne had to do most of the heavy lifting on the Treos by themselves.

RE: Mike Cane: Here's Mike Mace on your 12 Cobalt smartphone
mikecane @ 6/16/2005 8:31:26 AM # Q
Listen, I read Mace's newspeak *yesterday* at AAP. You're so behind the times.

RE: Mike Cane: Here's Mike Mace on your 12 Cobalt smartphones:
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/16/2005 9:58:16 PM # Q
I'm proud of you Cane. Did you read it all by yourself? Wow.

Anyway, looks like all those Cobalt boasts were a steaming pile of Nagel-flavored dung. Yummy!

That Cobalt prototype demoed at DevCon last month couldn't even get approved for sale in the USA for at least another YEAR. How many Nokias, Sony Ericssons, Windows smartphones, etc will have been released by then?


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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

RE: Mike Cane: Here's Mike Mace on your 12 Cobalt smartphones:
AdamaDBrown @ 6/17/2005 1:21:23 AM # Q
TVoR, I think that technically it would have to be approved for sale in the US, since they were selling developer units at the conference. However, getting approved by a carrier is a whole different game.

RE: Mike Cane: Here's Mike Mace on your 12 Cobalt smartphones:
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/17/2005 2:21:51 AM # Q
I don't think it's approved*. They would have to have shelled out mucho $$$ to go through FCC testing, etc. and until they have carriers to do that, they can't "legally" sell them.


*IANAL... BIPOOTV (but I play one on TV)



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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

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A Little Note to Michael Mace

mikecane @ 6/18/2005 1:44:23 PM # Q
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world," wrote George Bernard Shaw. "The unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

I assure you, Mace, that I will continue to be Unreasonable.

And, unlike you, I will *not* be wearing a false name on my nametag when I attend tech events.

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