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Palm has announced the Treo 680 smartphone today at a press conference at DigitalLife in New York City. The Treo 680 is a Palm OS powered GSM/GPRS/EDGE smartphone. The 680 features a internal antenna and a hardware design similar to the Treo 750v. Palm has not yet announced carrier availability or pricing details.
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RE: Step Back Pretenders
I don't get why they don't market this (and, hopefully a future zire 73 or TX2) as a video ipod killer.
RE: Step Back Pretenders
Surur
They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...
Hey!! I made associate writer at PDA247. Come see my nattering over there!!
www.clieuk.co.uk/wm.shtml
RE: Step Back Pretenders
I'd put up with something a bit larger than the TX (but not quite LD sized by any means!) if it meant a huge capacity battery and wi-fi/cellular data connectivity. Forget voice....I want something that I can watch movies on, listen to my tunes, and check e-mail and do light web browsing anywhere regardless of wi-fi hotspot availability.
Palm should have been pushing mobile media functionality HARD since 2002 (release of the T|T). Back then the iPod was Mac & Firewire only and Palm could've spent a few $ on good quality amp/headphone jack and something better than RealPlayer for playback software and done pretty well.
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: Step Back Pretenders
But the DID realize this. And thus they gave us the Lifedrive, which had all sorts of little "quirks" and didn't sell so well. And thus was proved Palm's self-fulfilling prophecy that the traditional PDA is dead.
But, and I'm obviusly not the only one who feels this way, I think thumbboards are inefficent and a waste of space. Offer a Treo with virtual graffiti instead of a thumboard, and I'd buy.
--
PalmPilot Pro (1997) -> III (1998) -> Vx (1999) -> m500 (2001) -> m515 (2002) -> ???
RE: Step Back Pretenders
Let's see, how many years has it been now since anything substantial advancement in mobile tech came from Palm? This is like waiting at a redlight that never changes.
OT: Surer! Put your Windows CE programming down for a moment and read your Bible a little. Remember how Elijah taunted the prophets of Baal on Mt. Carmel with some wicked sarcasm? I aint no Elijah, but you use the shoe that fits.
WASSSSSSUUUUUP FrankyG!!!!!!!!!!
- The Voice of Ebonics (TVoR's streetwise twin)
RE: Step Back Pretenders
And remember how The Voice of Reason taunted the False Prophets in Sunnyvale with some even more wicked sarcasm?
1 Jeffs, Chapter 18 Verse 27:
When it was noon, TVoR taunted them: "Call louder, for he is a Chief Technology Officer and may be meditating, or may have retired, or may be on a journey. Perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened."
http://www.palm.com/us/company/corporate/executive.html#jeff
TVoR
(The TRUE Prophet)
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Palm is in a Catch-22 with the pricing of the Treo 680:
Smartphone sales are not taking off the way Palm had hoped.
If Palm prices the Treo 680 too low it will parasitize the sales of other more expensive models and quickly kill Palm's profits.
The Treo 680 is best considered to be the replacement for the Treo 650. No more, no less.
How underwhelming - over 3 YEARS after Handspring finalized the Treo 600 we STILL haven't yet seen any significant improvements in the Treo lineup.
TVoR
RE: So is it really just a TREO 650 with an internal antenna?
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Aaron Levenstein
RE: So is it really just a TREO 650 with an internal antenna?
RE: So is it really just a TREO 650 with an internal antenna?
-- http://www.forbes.com/video/?video=fvn/tech/ab_palm101206&partner=yahootix
about one and a half minutes in.
Treo 680
still no wi-fi!
Bquin
...laughing at a world too absurd to take seriously...
RE: Treo 680
Has anyone seen the Sony UX 190? Wouldn't that be way cooler than a Treo, even if it ran ALP?
RE: Treo 680
RE: Treo 680
RE: Treo 680
I was a diehard Mac fan since the original 128K Mac, like I've been a devoted Palm fan since the original Pilot. I stuck with the Mac even through those dark days (although I did buy a Dell during that time), and I intend to stay with Palm as long as I can. I am growing more curious about what Windows Mobile has to offer, though.
Anyway, I'm happy again to be a Mac user, and I'm hoping the day will come when Palm gets its act together as well. Alternatively, I'm hoping (against hope) that Apple will soon offer a PDA of its own or else give the iPod more usable PDA features.
Like others who've posted here, I don't want a cell phone built into my PDA (or vice-versa). If I ever decide to go that route (a Treo), I'd want nothing less than a 320 x 480 screen with a virtual graffiti area and no thumbboard.
I'm actually reasonably happy with my TX. I like the full-time 320 x 480 display over the slider of the T3, the battery life is far better than I ever got on a T3, and the built-in wifi sometimes comes in handy. What disturbs me the most about the lack of new handhelds is that third-party software development for Palm handhelds has pretty much come to a screeching halt. The only new Palm software these days seems to be heavily geared toward Treos.
I guess I'll have to start stocking up on TXs.
RE: Treo 680
RE: Treo 680
RE: Treo 680
> he'll sign on again for $1 a year in salary? Now THAT would be
> interesting, to bring him back to Palm and see what he does with
> the company.
Oooohhh...subtle...giggle.
Internal Storage / SDRAM?
RE: Internal Storage / SDRAM?
RE: Internal Storage / SDRAM?
Presentation...
RE: Presentation...
Palm must already have an idea about pricing, and are guageing sentiment from the launch as to whether to go high or low on the price.
Palm: hint. go low. you always go too high. Try playing the game of creating great products at great value, rather than the marketing game of squeeze-the-customer-the-hardest that you've been playing the last 5+ years.
This sucks
It's been a fun ride!
US Robotics Pilot 5000 -> 3Com Palm III -> Sony Cile N710C -> Sony Clie T615C -> Palm LifeDrive
RE: This sucks
-No HSDPA,
-No BT 2.0
...the only thing you got right on this was yanking out the protrusion.
US Robotics Pilot 5000 -> 3Com Palm III -> Sony Cile N710C -> Sony Clie T615C -> Palm LifeDrive
RE: This sucks
At LEAST it has fullsize SD and IR and a very solid software bundle. If the pricing is right (if, if if) and the damm thing's rolled out in a timely fashion, it could indeed be a big seller and a nice send off/swan song for Palm OS. *sniff*
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: This sucks
I guess Palm decided that with the massive abundance of decent 2.5mm headsets, earpods and other ways of getting all that multimedia goodness out of the device it would just be absurd to include a 3.5mm jack.
I mean - who's heard of a 3.5mm jack being used for *audio*? Didn't they go out with 8-tracks, or wax cylinders or something? Thankfully Palm didn't waste precious space with such a legacy port and went with the industry standard 2.5mm jack so people can make great use of the included PocketTunes and other great features of the device.
...oh, you mean to tell me that 3.5mm is really the standard...? Nevermind.
RE: This sucks
Actually it seems to have BT, since the little icon next to the radio signal is a bluetooth icon.
Besides they couldn't shun BT headsets for the handsfree law in cars in Europe.
RE: This sucks
Ugly as Sin Colors
Where's Black, fools?
Crimson and Copper over and over
Crimson and Copper over and over
Crimson and Copper over and over
Crimson and Copper over and over
RE: Ugly as Sin Colors
RE: Ugly as Sin Colors
RE: Ugly as Sin Colors
It's like an 80's Acid flashback for The "Reverend" Pat Horne and MikeCon -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeEe2jrnDX4
Colors blah blah
It's all about style and fashion for LOTS of cell phone users.
RE: Colors blah blah
Shiny! (Firefly fans take note!)
The red one is *not* garish! It is a subdued metallic finish that is exceedingly nice. The orange (copper, ha!) is OK too, but it's just not my color. I don't like the white one. The graphite is the same old Treo yawn color.
These feel very nice in the hand.
It remains to be seen when they will actually be available from, I guess, Cingular.
Palm has a wee presence. No PDAs showing at all. Nothing but maybe a dozen or so Treos.
Oh, and I did get to make a test voice call. Went well. For some unknown fekkin reason, a test txt I tried to send would not go through. (But someone else had also tried and that one didn't go through, either...)
The Bottom Line
$199 Unlocked
That would make too much market sense and a fatal competition killing blow as it would make it the most successful device ever sold in the World.
Is that going to be prevented with a $299~$599 Price tag?
RE: The Bottom Line
RE: The Bottom Line
== point for the company's new smartphone...will be around $200..."
-- http://www.amtddj.inlumen.com/bin/djstory?StoryId=Crs29WaebqLqWmdC5mdm
RE: The Bottom Line
RE: The Bottom Line
At $299-$599 without Wi-Fi it would be another Elite low volume gadget lost in the middle of high end/high feature WinMob devices.
RE: The Bottom Line
I honestly don't see how this thing is neutered compared to the 750v/700p in ANY way save the camera and the battery capacity (Well, 128mb RAM would be nice but not a must-have). The lack of UMTS/GSDPA is understood given the limitations of FrankenGarnet.
BT 1.2 is here, IR is here, full size SD is here...the charge LED is here. I bet the 700P owners are going to be piised over this one. If this one has good RF performance and no lag it'll make the 700P really look like yesterday's s news. The new phone UI looks very nice as well.
Given the limitations of OS 5.x and Palm's penny-pinching R&D budget, this antenna-less formfactor combined with the the 700P 's EVDO & other specs (plus with some more RAM thrown in for good measure) would be the absolute best Treo experience possible utilizing "common" Palm hardware.
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: The Bottom Line
The ONLY number we have is "will be around $200..." which could be anything up to, say, $249 to down to, say, $150.
And that could be WITH contract.
RE: The Bottom Line
On the other hand, isn't this the model that Palm is selling for $0 with contract in Europe? I never did figure out if that was part of a scam price that was offering a $50 a month plan for $80 a month with free Treo or what.
I guess the price is the only mystery left.
RE: The Bottom Line
-Kevin Crossman, Palm Powered Software Champion
RE: The Bottom Line
RE: The Bottom Line
No, that's the Windows-based 750 with UMTS.
RE: The Bottom Line
RE: The Bottom Line
RE: The Bottom Line
The price structure is there. Treo 680 won't be lower than $500.
RE: The Bottom Line
The "around $200" comment has got to be the best of all possible worlds... three year contract, methinks.
RE: The Bottom Line
The only meaningful value is the unlocked device-only price - which will probably be $500.
So much for a 'low-ball treo'.
I can buy a Nokia E70, which has better camera, wifi, higher res screen, slicker form factor, etc etc etc for that price.
And in a year's time, there might be an E71. Palm's product lifecycles seem to be several years at the same prices, and even then the next device is often not much of an improvement, or much cheaper than the replaced one. sigh.
At least they finally got rid of the embarassing external antenna.
After several gens, I've gotta ask
Even though it's got a keyboard, why aren't the screens on Treos designed with 320x480 resolution? Next, why are they so thick. The T|X is nice and slim and so is the Palm Vx, III series and the m5xx line so, why Treo so thick?
Sharp Wizard 6500> Palm m500> m515> Tungsten T> Zire 71> T|E> T|X
RE: After several gens, I've gotta ask
"Do you know the difference between an error and a mistake? Anyone can make an error, but that error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."
-Grand Admiral Thrawn
RE: After several gens, I've gotta ask
RE: After several gens, I've gotta ask
Thats beco'z the T/X is not a smartphone dude...it does not have an antenna.
I guess you've not seen any Samsung phones for the past year. Let's take the SGH-P310 for example. It has 80Mb of memory and a 2 megapixel camera all in a package smaller and thinner than a Treo battery.
Samsung can make nice, thin capable phones and they make money from them, why can't Palm?
The reality is the Treo 680 is a 650 with an internal aerial and more RAM. It has taken Palm two years of R&D to offer such a minor update. Thank goodness PC manufacturers don't have the same mentality as Palm otherwise we'll all still be using 486s with 16Mb of memory.
Hopefully they'll get the price of the 680 right but the scariest thing is that there's very little to differentiate it from the 700p. However if the 680 sells in massive volumes then killing 700p sales will be a worthwhile sacrifice.
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Aaron Levenstein
RE: After several gens, I've gotta ask
RE: After several gens, I've gotta ask
Presumably you're aware of the GSM networks within the US. The Treo 680 made its debut in the US and first featured on Palm's US website before any of its European sites.
The only thing extra you get with the 700p are the EV-DO and the 1.3 megapixel camera. For people in the US who move around in good GSM coverage areaS, are light to moderate data users and don't care for the camera, the cheaper Treo 680 will be a no brainer over the 700p.
In fact, selling the 680 at $200 may trigger some drastic price cutting on the 700p if Palm are to avoid being lumbered with lots of unsold 700p inventory.
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Aaron Levenstein
RE: After several gens, I've gotta ask
EVDO & the higher capacity battery are the only honest to goodness benefits the 700p has over the 680. The 680's additional UI enhancements, especially to the phone app, look superb. Its formfactor is superior and the full size SD slot on the side with a cover is a nice touch. The reception should be at least as good as the 700p's and I highly doubt anything can be as laggy as the 700P.
Let's face it, Palm basically just took the wind out of the 700p's sails by announcing the 680, just like how the wx has made the 700w look like a bad memory.
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: After several gens, I've gotta ask
what's this?
RE: After several gens, I've gotta ask
Drool over the pics in the link below...
http://blog.treonauts.com/2006/10/treo_680_first_.html
Early reports are that the phone app is heavily overhauled (in a good way) and that things are even more intuitive and easier to handle than before. No lag either (from early hands on reports--there were no SIM cards in the demo units)
Incoming in-call handling is also improved. Even the full user guide is in ROM now! And it's got more available memory than the 700P!
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
Samung & Nokia: Be Afraid
The griping I see here are from people who are diehard PDAers. This isn't aimed at you.
I've given up looking at PDAs as nano-notebooks. They just aren't good at that. And a near-single-purpose device like the 770 wipes the floor with all PDAs when it comes to web browsing. I'd never consider a PDA for web after using the 770.
Having given up on Kitchen Sink PDAs, I'm back to using my CLIE for its original core functions: PIMs.
As I said in an earlier post when word of the 680 leaked, it's a compelling device for me.
RE: Samung & Nokia: Be Afraid
Pat Horne
RE: Samung & Nokia: Be Afraid
Ideally, that title should be intended as joke. But the sad thing is, it wasn't....
Palm Vx (a classic) -> Palm 505 (*yawn*) -> Dell Axim (slooow...) -> Palm TE (great) -> Qtek 9090 (great idea, lousy platform) -> Nokia 6630 (a toy) -> iMate SP3i (not bad) -> Nokia 9300 (can't sync notes!!) -> Treo 650 (awesome) -> hw6915 (almost perfect)
RE: Samung & Nokia: Be Afraid
Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650
RE: Samung & Nokia: Be Afraid
Here in Europe Treo 650 sells for ~430 € while e.g. Nokia E61 sells for 315 € with WLAN, BT, UMTS and strong SW package ...and the E61 is already over half year old. Sorry but if there is one brand Samsung, Nokia & Microsoft do not fear, than it is most likely Palm.
If Microsoft is a good example to show a successful company than Palm is maybe the one to name if you search a negative example.
So far
*Andreas
Design Your own Handheld!!!
Why is it that every time Palm releases a new product many would have bad comments on it??? I'm sure if palm would not include grafitti area, wi-fi, bigger screen on the Treo this means that its a system limitation. Why cant yah all get that in yer heads?? I think what’s nice for all the men and women who want to have add-ons on their smartphones should create their own! Now thats what I call Labor of Love! What yah think dudes???? In that way nobody would care if the other one would have wi-fi, bigger screen, and etc... and we can all sit back relax and wait for another Treo.
"Do you know the difference between an error and a mistake? Anyone can make an error, but that error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."
-Grand Admiral Thrawn
RE: Design Your own Handheld!!!
Sorta like a Politicians speech as compared to his / her actual delivery.
Pat Horne
RE: Design Your own Handheld!!!
- mostly monochrome devices
- no internal card slots
- no true speaker or vibration
- no way to reset without carrying around a paperclip
- PIMs with no relation to common business desktop apps
- no wifi at all
- lousy implementation of bluetooth (they're not much ahead on this)
- underspec'd DBcache
- maximum 1-2MB of RAM
- "any case color you like as long as it's dark gray"
and on and on....
Palm seems to enjoy touting that they don't listen to their "power" users and brush us off as asking for the world when we want ~crazy~ things like more than 16MB of usable internal memory in a $650+ "smart" (their words) phone... but then if you look closer they (eventually) come out with firmware that offers a little more available RAM... and then further down the road when they finally release the next units they "suddenly" have about 4x the RAM and 5x the DBcache that they were telling us for about a year-and-a-half were ridiculously unnecessary. Go figure.
I don't have the money to start my own handheld company, but I certainly have paid for the right (and duty) to say what works and does not work in something I buy - especially in something so expensive as PDAs and Smartphones.
Although Palm loves to pretend they ignore what we say about their devices - I've seen too many mysterious improvements coming from Palm after we've complained. And since many of them were obvious to dedicated Palm users within *days* of buying the devices - the evidence highly suggests that the source of the improvements were from the *users* - not the Palm employees that apparently wasted months of beta-testing time on something other than beta-testing...
Bottom line - everyone here is designing their own handheld.
RE: Design Your own Handheld!!!
"Do you know the difference between an error and a mistake? Anyone can make an error, but that error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."
-Grand Admiral Thrawn
does treo 680 support fat32 ?
this is very important since this is the topic hotly discussed by treo 650 users including myself.
RE: does treo 680 support fat32 ?
RE: does treo 680 support fat32 ?
I donot know whether those cards are supported or not, or some of them ?
RE: does treo 680 support fat32 ?
Also, keep in mind that 4gb SD cards (SD 1.1, not SD 2.0 aka SDHC) are non-spec and while they SHOULD work, Palm's not going to officially take a stance on them.
For what it's worth, the numbers of rogue brand 4gb SD cards is drastically dwindling...I think Toshiba/Samsung/Sandisk put the smack down on the smaller asian firms that were producing them (Transcend, Adata etc) and telling everyone to get on board with SDHC 4gb cards.
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Jobs
Job Title Category Location Date
Account Manager for Operations Operations Ireland 02/28/2006
Carrier QA Engineer Engineering USA - West Coast 08/08/2006
CDMA Firmware Validation Engineer Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 08/26/2006
CDMA Firmware Validation Engineer Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 09/01/2006
CDMA Telephony Engineer Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 10/03/2006
Compensation Manager USA - Sunnyvale 08/02/2006
Country Manager - Central America and Caribbean Sales Mexico 05/27/2006
Developer Technical Services Engineer 08/15/2006
Director, Corporate Web Marketing USA - Sunnyvale 08/29/2006
Director, Device Definition & Delivery Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 09/21/2006
Director - IT Strategy, Planning & Architecture Information Technology USA - Sunnyvale 08/08/2006
Engineer - SW QA (Contract) Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 08/26/2006
Engineering Program Manager Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 10/02/2006
Enterprise Web Support Content Manager Customer Services USA - Sunnyvale 09/28/2006
Human Resources Manager Human Resources USA - Sunnyvale 06/02/2006
HW Development Lead, Mobile Computer Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 06/27/2006
HW Development Lead, Smart Phone Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 08/04/2006
Inside Sales Manager Sales USA - Sunnyvale 10/09/2006
IT Business Engagement Manager Information Technology USA - Sunnyvale 10/04/2006
Localization/Internationalization Software Test Engineer Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 09/21/2006
Manager, Competitive Intelligence Marketing USA - Sunnyvale 10/10/2006
Marketing Manager Marketing USA - Sunnyvale 08/30/2006
Mobile Telephony Software Developer Engineering Ireland 05/25/2006
New Product Material Manager Operations USA - Sunnyvale 09/20/2006
ODM Engineering Mechanical Engineer Taiwan 09/18/2006
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ODM Engineering Modem RF Engineer - Taipei Taiwan 09/18/2006
ODM Engineering Support manager Taiwan 09/18/2006
Product Manager/Senior Product Manager - WiFi and Bluetooth Marketing USA - Sunnyvale 07/11/2006
Product Manager - Emerging Markets Products Marketing USA - Sunnyvale 10/05/2006
Quality System Manager USA - Sunnyvale 09/27/2006
Retail/Carrier Channel Marketing Manager Marketing USA - Sunnyvale 06/29/2006
Retail and Distribution Marketing Manager, Spain Marketing Spain 02/18/2006
Sales Manager, Conosur (Contract) Sales Argentina 03/01/2006
Senior Carrier Product Marketing Manager Marketing USA - Sunnyvale 08/02/2006
Senior Carrier Product Marketing Manager (GSM) Marketing 08/15/2006
Senior Contract Administrator Legal USA - Sunnyvale 05/10/2006
Senior Product Manager, Palm OS Treo Marketing USA - Sunnyvale 09/11/2006
Senior Software Engineer Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 07/07/2006
Senior Software Engineer - Windows Mobile Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 02/02/2006
Senior Software Engineer-Device Driver Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 08/08/2006
Senior UI Designer USA - Sunnyvale 08/02/2006
Server Software QA Engineer Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 05/27/2006
Smartphone Browser Software Engineer Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 08/28/2006
Smartphone Client/Server Applications Engineering Lead Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 07/10/2006
Smartphone Messaging Applications Software Manager Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 05/27/2006
Software Development Internship Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 09/08/2006
Software Engineer, New College Graduate Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 09/08/2006
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Software Engineer USA - Sunnyvale 09/27/2006
Software QA Manager Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 07/27/2006
Software QA Manager Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 10/05/2006
Software Quality Assurance Manager - Devices Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 08/15/2006
Sourcing Manager Operations APAC 04/12/2006
SQA Device Lead Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 09/11/2006
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Sr. Software Engineer Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 10/02/2006
Stock Administrator Finance USA - Sunnyvale 09/21/2006
SW Product Manager - Messaging Applications Marketing 08/02/2006
SW Product Manager - Web Applications Marketing USA - Sunnyvale 10/02/2006
Tax Accountant 4 Finance USA - Sunnyvale 10/12/2006
Telephony White Box QA Engineer USA - Sunnyvale 02/10/2006
Training Program Manager Customer Services USA - Sunnyvale 10/10/2006
UMTS Protocol Engineer 06/09/2006
Vice President of Customer Relations USA - Sunnyvale 10/09/2006
Web Designer Marketing USA - Sunnyvale 06/27/2006
Windows Mobile SW Engineer Engineering USA - Sunnyvale 03/22/2006
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Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Palm's final quarter as an independent company.
TVoR
Palm desperately seeking buyer
I wonder why Palm is having problems filling those jobs. Could it be because it's temp work? Naw. Couldn't be.
The current quarter's financials are going to be a disaster. With no compelling product, a flat market and ever-higher Palm-funded rebates being needed to push their outdated hardware, Palm will be awash in a sea of red ink again in 2 months. I wonder how Colligan will SPIN that?
Take a look at these Palm insider tractions from October, 2006. The game is afoot.
Release the hounds, Smithers.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ir?s=PALM
TVoR
RE: Jobs
The quarter AFTER that, however...[if the "analysts" catch all the one-time increments that might hide reality a little - like selling $60 million worth of land].
RE: What Would Jobs Do? (WWJD)
Palm ALREADY "borrowed" sales from the future to make last quarter seem better than it really was. As inventory piles up in the pipeline Palm will be right back to playing the game they did a few years ago when they ended up having to write off a few hundred million dollars worth of unwanted hardware.
Maybe if people like Hawkins and the rest of the "insiders" hadn't leeched all the profits from Palm by now the company might actually have been able to develop a product worth buying. Palm is like a baby lamb that has awoken surrounded by a pack of wolves. This won't be pretty.
TVoR
RE: Jobs
How are millions of dollars worth of excess Treos going to be moved out? What if the carriers don't want them? Sprint & Verizon wouldn't want to sell an older Treo for $100 w/ contract which looks nearly identical to the "new" Treo they are selling for $300-$400 w/ contract. Can Palm pawn them off to independent 3rd party cell phone shops that you see in Chinatown and shopping mal kiosks? Where else in the world outside N. America can leftover CDMA equipment be sent? Korea and Mexico?
Even if Palm does dump a bunch of leftover Treos (CDMA or GSM) "unlocked" onto the market for pennies on the dollar, how will the market react? A Treo is a near-worthless brick without a data subscription. To think anyone's going to buy a Treo 650 unlocked and carry it around sans service to replace their T|E due to the slightly better specs is sheer insanity.
Most individuals will not want to buy a shady "rogue" handset that they'l have to take to their carrier to activate (I'm referring to CDMA Treos, folks-I know you can just pop a SIM into a GSM device). No one wants to sign a 2 year contract for a disctontinued/refurb/leftover cellular device that might not be fully supported or warrantied by their provider.
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RE: BlownJobs
Sprint already fcuked Samsung and Sony Ericsson - despite the high quality phones those companies produce. Does Palm REALLY think they are somehow immune to the rules that govern the rest of the market?
The ONLY reason carriers give a damn about smartphones is to help shift users into lucrative data plans. Period. (But it's questionable if smartphones have actuallly helped push expensive plans.) Carriers have ZERO loyalty to Treo as a device, brand, or Zen-like philosophy. If a pink RAZR 3/Duo/Quadro/Quinto was released tomorrow sporting features like videophone/streaming audio/streaming video/etc that forced users into expensive data plans, Sprint would drop Treos like a hot potato. Don't believe me? Just watch what hppens in the next 3 months...
TVoR
Enough with Palm Incorporated. Time for change.
I encourage all mobile device fans, Linux fans/believers/developers and Palm OS fans to turn their allegiance, financial support and focus away from Palm Inc. and turn it towards Access™.
- The Palm brand means nothing anymore.
- Palm OS will continue to run under Ghost until superior ALP versions are released.
- Access™ are the creators, the managers and the owners of all the intellectual property (Palm OS and ALP). Palm Inc. owns nothing.
- Palm has indicated it is nothing more than a Value Added Reseller that will sell devices with any OS of its choosing, and we should here forth treat it as such.
- I recommend that developers and consumers not develop/buy devices that run a possible future proprietary inhouse Palm OS II by Palm Inc.
Access™ is specialized and dedicated to ALP and will ensure a healthy competition in the VAR/hardware market by making the OS available to all companies, like Microsoft does.
- I encourage the community to rename their websites, forums, IRC channels, podcasts etc to reflect Access™/ALP branding and no longer Palm Inc./Palm OS.
As a community of developers and consumers, we now need to work together with Access™ to develop ALP. Both the commercial and open source communities will benefit. Devices with ALP will be available from different companies, not just Palm Inc. With an increased number of ALP hardware vendors, the likehood of seeing a healthier handheld market alongside the phone market is increased.
www.alpinfocenter.com anyone?
RE: Enough with Palm Incorporated. Time for change.
Palm had the world in their hands and just couldn't resist the temptation to squeeze.
Unfortunately the world is slippery...
RE: Enough with Palm Incorporated. Time for change.
Sounds like our favorite french canadian former-Palm-fanboy Vampire Boy is a little angry, bitter, and jaded.
RE: Enough with Palm Incorporated. Time for change.
Nextel as a carrier?
Give me Nextel support and I'm in.
Most engineers don't have a personality. . . They traded it to the devil for their engineering skills.
RE: Nextel as a carrier?
A 680 Sprint would be interesting, but make that high price of the 700p fall like a gold rock.
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antoinerjwright.com
Cost: Data and Device & Stability & RF
Verizon needs to come down to $55 dollars for unlimited data (laptop connect) and 300 or 400 min talk. Right now the price is around $80.
In addition, Palm needs to ensure the device is stable... grandma/pa does not want to see resets or have the phone cut off for no reason. I still don't understand why they are having trouble in this area... not like they don't have an os that is a 100 years old... the OS should be freaken stable by now....
Last, palm needs to have a device that can hold a signal...
Vote for John Kerry... best man for the job.
treo 680 supported SD cards and 64MB SDRAM question
I donot know whether those cards are supported or not, or some of them ?
2. it was mentioned that there will be 64MB memory user accessable, and another 64 MB SDRAM for program/system.
what does this mean ? is it 128MB total ? does palm os occupy 64 MB ?
RE: treo 680 supported SD cards and 64MB SDRAM question
Do note that SDHC is *NOT* supported since that is effectively SD 2.0
Also, the Palm's SD bus is hobbled so the extra speed advantages of SD Extreme etc high-speed cards are mostly mitigated...but the extra speed's still nice if you dump large files straight onto the card from your desktop. Lately I'v'e been doing more drag & dropping than Hotsyncing of files.
#2 It's the exact same memory architecture as the 700P, just with a few mb more available for storage (this is always a good thing!) 64mb for program memory and ~64mb reserved for the OS and everything else.
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: treo 680 supported SD cards and 64MB SDRAM question
but my question is:
does treo 680 need 64 MB as its system/program area/storage, so big ?
treo 650 only got 10 MB as its system area, right ?
RE: treo 680 supported SD cards and 64MB SDRAM question
I have no idea why there are a few mb more that are available on the 680 than on the 700P. Maybe more FrankenGarnet optimizations/tweaks?
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: treo 680 supported SD cards and 64MB SDRAM question
Palm's crack troop of codemonkeys trimmed some of the FAT.
Colligan & Co. have 2 months to find a buyer for Palm. If they fail, Palm will self-destruct after it announces the current quarter's sales figures.
RE: treo 680 supported SD cards and 64MB SDRAM question
That is my exact inference in the thread somewehere around here about memory sizes..."more" user-space memory obtained not via a bigger physical memory chip but instead by simply removing little used or relatively-unimportant OTHER software (like device drivers) and moving that memory into the user space - voila! "More" memory!
RE: treo 680 supported SD cards and 64MB SDRAM question
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
Cool, but...
I'd like to see a Treo-T|X hybrid:
(1)full screen with landscape, accomplished with the slide-to-the-left keyboard design, similar to this: http://www.pocketpccentral.net/spcs_ppc6700.htm
(2)WiFi; and,
(3)an internal antenna would be the perfect icing.
With this device, I think I could stay quite content for some time. :)
Pilot Pro, III, IIIe, Nino (yeah...oops!), IIIc, VIIx, m505, NR70V, NZ90, NX60, T3, Zire 72s, NX80V, Treo 90
RE: Cool, but...
sford @ 10/14/2006 2:06:43 PM #With this device, I think I could stay quite content for some time. :)
Unfortunately, being content for a long time is exactly what Palm AND the carriers DON'T want you to be...
Palm makes money turning inventory of devices. And the carriers keep you hooked by signing you to new contracts for "new" devices.
Anyway, from the looks of your signature, you've never been "content" for very long. :-D
I wasn't content either, even though I kept my old Vx for a long time. Just didn't see anything I really wanted to spend my money on. (And I still have the first dollar I earned....) :-D
Brent
Palm Vx -----> LONG WAIT -----> Palm T|X
Memory specs (680 vs. 700)
I don't think Palm would advertise that the 680p has 64MB if it really has 128MB, on the other hand, I don't see how the later would be possible, since there has to be some amount of memory dedicated to the system that is not user accesible.
Memory
700p 128MB (60MB user accessible) non-volatile
680p 64MB non-volatile flash memory available for user storage
RE: Memory specs (680 vs. 700)
My Guess -
Memory
700p 128MB (60MB user accessible) non-volatile
680p 128MB (64MB user accessible) non-volatile
Is 700p getting updated apps?
The phone app and the blazer?
If not I will be pretty ticked off.
Considering the phone app on the 700p is terrible and lags all the time.
Thanks for any insight.
Michael
RE: Is 700p getting updated apps?
We'll be lucky to get a single ROM update to address the 700p's lag. We'll be even luckier if the BT performance & poor battery life are addressed. We'll be BLESSEDLY LUCKY to receive the updated phone/contacts/favorites from the 680 (in addition to the above).
Palm basically used the 700p's GUI enhancements as a practice run for the 680's more thorough reworkings. Palm also used the 700p customers as paying guinea pigs to keep the POS ship afloat a few months longer until the 680 could be finished and announced.
Face it, we've been had. I just chatted with an acquaintence this morning who is going to return his 700p and go back to his reliable old 650, especially now that there's another Verizon update for it.
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: Take with a significant amount of salt
TREO PROBLEMS!!!!!!
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