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Palm is also holding a video webcast following the announcement at 11:30 AM, Pacific Time for Credentialed media plus industry and financial analysts. Hawkins will discuss Palm's vision for this new category and demonstrate the new product's capabilities, followed by a Q&A session.
Previously: New Hawkins Device Expected Next Week
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RE: Yeath, the stock price rise -1% quickly.
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RE: Yeath, the stock price rise -1% quickly.
I agree.
Just buy the device and buy the stock.
Mobile computing is not going away, Palm is in the right business and the stock investment is a long term thing.
RE: Yeah, the stock price rise -1% quickly.
RE: Yeath, the stock price rise -1% quickly.
Vampy,
I don't even think the comments editor on this site would have allowed such a comment 1 month ago. Whatever happened to Palm is Dead around here. :)
Palm on the verge of ANYTHING newsworthy in the past 3 years has gotten us a bit charged I must say. I almost don't want them to reveal anything, because the atmosphere round here is so good. After tommorrow, it may be "I can't believe no WiFi" and "Palm is Dead" again for the 37th time!
Pat Horne
Hawskins to 'demo'
I hope it goes on sale tomorrow and not just announced for a fall release.
RE: Hawskins to 'demo'
I , for one, hope that the Hawk is ready for purchase ASAP.
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RE: Hawskins to 'demo'
== "Jeff Hawkins...will host a live video webcast on
== Wed., May 30, to describe a new category of mobile
== device. The webcast will follow the announcement
== of this new product at the D: All Things Digital
== conference in Carlsbad, Calif..."
That is, he's gonna say "Gosh! It's coming soon!" at the D conference then have a PALM-based webcast where PALM can control things much tighter.
Wild guess at cost.
If it does indeed have OLED and all the other features, for me that is worth it. A laptop costs 2 grand, so. I can see however where a lot of people can't afford such a price point. Hopefully, there will be multiple models at different price points.
some leaks
* Linux tablet, something between a Nokia N800 and an HTC Athena
* WiFi + cellular radio (CDMA first, GSM a month later)
* Designed for remote access to audio/video/files, including streaming capabilities
* Garnet VM to run Palm OS apps
* July/August release
* You're not going to like the price
I'm intrigued... but really wondering about that price tag.
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: some leaks
I strongly suspect we're going to see a big push from the carriers for lower priced data plans. I also wouldn't be suprised if Sprint offers a huge discount on this device to get it under $500 with a 2-year commitment for a bundled unlimited voice/data/SMS plan that they're starting to roll out. This device will be made for it...
RE: some leaks
Thanks for the info.
Now, let's think about this a minute. The price being thrown out there fro the "Hawk" in Europe is $1,100, right? So assume a 15-20% markup and call it a cool $1000 for the US market straight up.
With a 2yr contract, the carrier subsidizes roughly half of the full retail price of a current 7550/700p, so $299ish.
Assuming everything else is apples to apples, with carrier subsidies and a 2yr contract, the "Hawk" will be $550-$600.....same as the iPhone!
I would count on Sprint either throwing in some freebie accessories (BT stereo headphones? A mail-in rebate?) and/or being very aggressive with their pricing or even have specially-priced data/voice bundles with this new device. That said, IS there confirmation that it'll offer voice functionality or is it totally data-centric?
P.S.
Now IF Palm are smart, they will still realize that there is STILL a market for traditional PDA-style devices that are bought with no strings/commitments/carrier agreements.
So they could (and should) offer a cut-down version of the "Hawk" that omits the CDMA/GSM radios in favor of just wi-fi and Bluetooth. This would make for a killer $400 retail item to replace the TX. Then bump the existing TX down to $200-$250 and Palm maintains their retail presence AND comes up with a nifty new wireless device to keep the carriers & their power users happy.
P.P.S. "Remote access to audio/video/files, including streaming capabilities"
I wonder if Palm is going to somehow license/buy and integrate Slingplayer (or something similar) technology into the next-gen version of Palm Desktop?
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RE: some leaks
Just the garnet emulator?
If that's the case it would be a quite a disappointment, though quite typical of Palm. Lack of wimax (though non existent where I live) is also surprising.
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RE: some leaks
RE: some leaks
The absence of WiMax (for now) isn't a big surprise since there isn't any WiMax to speak of yet. And since Palm said last month that they weren't going to be first out of the gate with WiMax products.
I have no idea if this thing can be used as a phone or not. If it was any bigger than the N800 I don't think it would make a very good one.
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: some leaks
Well, let's assume that the Hawk is at least as capable of a web browser as the Nokia N800. Beersie loves his N800...so I think the "killer app" in this new Palm device is actually going to be a combination of fast wireless (wi-fi + EVDO) + ease of use (the familar Palm OS UI) + gigs of localized storage (20gb HD is what I predict), + access to hundreds of gb (maybe even tb's!) of media/files on a server or PC located elsewhere with fallback voice functionality thrown in if necessary.
But look at the roadmap going from the the original Pilot of 1996 to the Palm Pilot of 1997 to the Palm III of 1998 to the Palm V of 19999 to the mm500 line of 2001 (the paradigm of conventional PDA design IMO). You basically had three generations of evolutionary improvements followed by one huge leap in size/formfactor/design that maintained the same feature set. Then you had one more mild tweak (the m500) before the essential "palm-sized" PDA as such was basically perfected and, for all intents and purposes, became a secondary focus for the Palm companies.
If you cut those 5 PDA generations down to 3 for the Foleo/Hawk, I expect the Hawk's 2nd generation to bring forth the formfactor improvements. Then the 3rd generation to really beef up the specs and the first real signs of Hawkins' Numenta influences.
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: some leaks
Voice functionality? Remember the Tungsten W? It had voice ONLY by a hardwired earpiece. No speakerphone on the device, no mic+speaker on the unit itself and no Bluetooth (anyone remember the lame flip-cover speaker+mic accessory?)
Yes, it made for a lousy phone, yes, but it was still usable as a phone in a pinch. At the time of its release (fall '02) I remember thinking they should have sat on it another 6 months, omitted the voice entirely, and made it a data-centric OS5 wireless device.
At any rate, Palm would be foolish to try to shoehorn real phone functionality into the Hawk. Either have it as a speakerphone + BT headset-only implementation or just leave it out entirely to focus on data & multimedia.
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RE: some leaks
what's the killer-app that makes it unique?
That's the $64 question, isn't it?
During the Analysts Day presentation we had strong statements from Palm that they are focusing on the web experience:
* The fastest, most compelling web experience with connected web applications* Creation, sharing and sync of your critical content
* World-class email and PIM for prosumers and business
* Easy backup and restore from the web with integrated system updates and software delivery
There's a lot of interesting work to be done on making browsers integrate with the underlying operating system better. Mobile browsing is a bad application experience today because it doesn't work if you go out of network (even inside some buildings) and you don't have access to input methods like the camera, BT radio or microphone in a browser app. I don't know if that's where Palm is going with this, but it would be a very interesting path that fits with the focus they say they now have.
Web applications. Not exactly what you think of as Palm's forte, right? It'd be pretty funny if after all the waiting for both Google and Palm to start the next revolution we found out they've been in cahoots ever since all those PalmSource developers migrated to Google.
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: some leaks
It's more like the killer app is going to be the sum of a bunch of little niceties rolled into one.
No, Gekko's right. Even if it makes improvements to a lot of areas, it's got to have a leading application, a solution to a specific problem that Palm can focus their marketing on. Every successful Palm device has had this. The Pilot: PIM apps. The Treo: mobile communication. The ones that failed, like the LifeDrive suffered as much from not offering a clear, readily understandable solution as they did from technical shortcomings.
I think this will be useful for lots of stuff that I want to do, but I think Palm is going to sell it as "the first handheld device that makes the web really usable." I'm hoping they've got some good tricks up their sleeve for how to make browsing and web applications easier and/or more useful than it is on a smartphone today. As much as I do like the N800, it succeeds more by brute force (so many pixels) than by innovative software integration. (Yes, the zooming buttons are brilliant.)
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: some leaks
Drive Mode and Camera Companion aside, the LD brought NOTHING to the table that hadn't been seen in at least one previous Palm Inc. device. Yes, it was the first to have wi-fi and Bluetooth standard but that's hardly revolutionary, especially considering how this was the first model where Palm actively began crippling its BT DUN capabilities.
And the aborted USB Host box that was shown but never released for sale would have added at least a bit more functionality to the LifeDrive.
Now, had Palm ushered in a major Garnt UI revamp with the LifeDrive or had it shipped with a overhauled Palm Desktop with integrated media manager and online functionality, that might've made the "Mobile Manager" category a bit better defined. But I'll always just see the LifeDrive as the followup device to the T5 that should've had gigs of flash but Palm got cheap/lazy/greedy and used gigs of mechanical HD storage. They paid the price dearly then and I am worried about a smallish 20gb HD in the Hawk/Foleo now.
For me personally, there's no point in putting up with the potential drawbacks of a hard drive in a mobile device unless it's packing at *least* 40gb of strage (preferably more). 8gb SDHC cards are cheap, widespread and here today. 16gb SDHC will be here soon. Palm would have been better off going with dual SDHC slots (like the Zodiac or N800 but SDHC of course) if they are not going to bring at least 60gb of hard drive space to the table from the get-go.
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RE: some leaks
Now tell me why I want to pay to access over the air stuff I own when I'd rather have it *with* me and not pay a 3rd party for the privilege of access?
This is progress?
I don't think so.
RE: some leaks
Actually there is nothing new in this leakage. If tomorrow's press confirm this leakage, I can see the same failure as LD for this device.
RE: some leaks
Now tell me why I want to pay to access over the air stuff I own when I'd rather have it *with* me and not pay a 3rd party for the privilege of access?
I think the answer to that question depends on how you work. I just finished a contract that had me flying back and forth to a client in Chicago twice a month. I stopped using my desktop PC entirely during that time because it was too much of a pain to keep it synched up with my laptop and because the consequences of version control problems were too dire to take a chance on it. Unfortunately, that meant I was lugging a 5 lb laptop around a lot more than I would have liked. I'd love to be able to VPN into my home office and work directly with documents and project data over the network using a small, light tablet that doesn't take 3 minutes to boot up and that doubles as my PDA. This device would be a lot more useful to me than my Treo, and I'd carry it with me in places where I hate to have to carry a laptop.
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: some leaks
the streaming idea is not popular anymore.
Not with anyone but the carriers and the companies they acquire exclusive media rights from.
Sure, everyone would like to download all their music and videos to their local storage and watch them any time they want. Or share them with others. But that's exactly what most of the content companies *don't* want you to do--hence all the DRM crap. Being able to support streaming means you'll be able to use this device for viewing/listening to a lot of content you'd not be able to get otherwise because streaming is the only way the carriers will deliver it to you. Like it or not, it sounds like Palm is trying to make this device carrier friendly, which helps them negotiate more aggressive carrier subsidies and leverage carrier marketing muscle.
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: some leaks
Peace Out
Alan
RE: some leaks
Dunno about you, Mike, but my personal media library is fast approaching terabyte territory. Scarily fast, and it passed the point where I could carry the whole kit and caboodle around (on any brand of portable media player) a long time ago... Fast 3G streaming could be the answer. Of course, we also need reasonably priced unlimited plans to go along with that...
Or... maybe not!
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: some leaks
You are silly.
Yeah, seems you've got a point there. :-P
I used to think I was immune to the rumor recycling game and that I was perfectly fine with sticking to facts I could document, but it looks like I got suckered on this one.
Oh well, makes me feel young and stupid again! Which is more fun than old and jaded.
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: some leaks
Here in HK, we have many carriers offering unlimited 3G data services and all of them do not allow excessive use of the 3G network. So the idea of streaming video/audio/files are already implemented here, but not everyone's using it because of the prices (around 60 USD per month for the unilimited) that we have to pay and the limitation that the carriers are putting into the service. On top of that, if you do excessive video streaming, the carrier has the right to make additional charges (besides the $60 that you are paying) based on your usage. Also, one reason is that 3G service is not flying here is that wi-fi here is everywhere. You can go to a 7-Eleven store and connect your laptop there :)
So freakout, I believe we are still waaaaayyyy off for the true 3G solution that we are all dreaming about. ^_^
RE: some leaks
RE: some leaks
http://socialnews.palm.com/rssfeed.aspx
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Palm Advances Mobile Computing with Its First Mobile Companion Product
from Palm by Palm, Inc.
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Palm, Inc. today announced the Palm Foleo, world’s first smartphone companion product.
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Foleo has a large screen and full size keyboard to view and edit email and office documents. Edits made on Foleo automatically are reflected on its paired smartphone and vice versa.
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Foleo and its paired smartphone stay synchronized throughout the day or at the touch of a button.
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Foleo turns on and off instantly, features fast navigation, a compact and elegant design, and a battery that lasts up to five hours of use.
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U.S. availability for Foleo begins this summer with pricing expected to be $499 after an introductory $100 rebate.
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Built on an open Linux-based platform,Palm hopes to replicate earlier success with developers by drawing a large community to create new applications that will extend the mobile companion’s capabilities. Already, Palm has partnered with DataViz and Opera Software, demonstrating ease with which applications can be ported to the Palm Foleo.
Quotes Attributable to Jeff Hawkins, founder of Palm, Inc. and the visionary behind the Foleo’s concept and definition
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"Foleo is the most exciting product I have ever worked on. Smartphones will be the most prevalent personal computers on the planet, ultimately able to do everything that desktop computers can do. However, there are times when people need a large screen and full-size keyboard. As smartphones get smaller, this need increases. The Foleo completes the picture creating a mobile-computing system that sets a new standard in simplicity."
Quotes Attributable to Ed Colligan, president and chief executive officer of Palm Inc.
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“As we did with the PalmPilot more than a decade ago, and more recently with the Treo smartphone, Palm is driving innovation and capitalizing on emerging opportunities in mobile computing, a market full of potential. The Palm Foleo represents our first product in a new line of solutions that will redefine how people work while away from their desks. It starts today with a focus on wireless email, and we expect the Foleo to grow in features and expand its capabilities as the platform grows.”
Multimedia
Foleo Head On
Foleo Open
Foleo and Treo
Falcon B-roll [/blockquote]
RE: some leaks
Does it pair with the smartphone over Bluetooth? Or is there a physical connection and a shared cellular radio like this: http://www.pikesoft.com/blog/index.php?itemid=10
Very very interested in seeing this!
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: some leaks
Does it pair with the smartphone over Bluetooth? Or is there a physical connection and a shared cellular radio like this: http://www.pikesoft.com/blog/index.php?itemid=10
Very very interested in seeing this![/blockquote]
Interesting concept of yours David. The Foleo sounds like a "modular concept" and folding folio ;-).
RE: some leaks
I still think this Philips is a fantastic design, especially for the money. I have no iPod nor a desire to own an iPod. If I DID I'd probably buy one of these things just to play around with (since I don't have a portable DVD player anyway).
Now imagine something like this with a reasonably sized keyboard and a nice thick battery.
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4156936&JRSource=nsa&nsa=1
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RE: some leaks
and you thought the PDA market was small. . .
May You Live in Interesting Times
RE: some leaks
If I don't need Windows (don't need to run desktop apps) then I'm unlikely to lug around a device that is as big as a small laptop just to access my phone apps.
I'm sure Hawkins is much smarter than me but I just don't get the appeal of this device.
So wait a moment
That is, it syncs with another PDA?
What are they smoking?
RE: some leaks
WHOWWOULDATHOUGHT!!?
-- http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=33796
Giggle.
RE: Re: some leaks
The Pilots, III series, V series, VII series, i series, Treos, Tungstens, Zires etc were all tablets and pocketable. Just because it's a tablet does not mean it's a Microsoft Tablet PC albatross, Moses' stones, or my fav the Hitachi H1000.
Hawkins used "pocketable" in his list of the "future" a few weeks ago. I cannot imagine him revealing anything that is not in lock step with his "future greatness" list.
Pat Horne
I think it is a Ultra-UMPC with Palm OS
I think I will go for that if it has 4 inch wide-screen and good battery life to watch 10 hrs of movies on the airplane.
RE: I think it is a Ultra-UMPC with Palm OS
**** 18 hours til Hawkins aka Palm God **** speaks!
Start the countdown!
RE: I think it is a Ultra-UMPC with Palm OS
PDA's Past and Present:
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100
The Hawk and Lotus Notes
As mobile computing enthusiasts, one of our goals is to control mass amounts of data. It is my experience that Lotus Notes is the best software solution for that.
I don't see many Lotus Notes discussions unfortunately.
Maybe now that there will be a Linux core on the Hawk we can start such a discussion.
RE: The Hawk and Lotus Notes
JLM.
RE: The Hawk and Lotus Notes
The personal journal of Notes and the whole database concept is amazing.
And the indexed search engine (Boolean) is very very powerful, FAST and accurate.
Notes the only product that I have ever used in which you can put your whole life into and truly find anything in an instant e.g., files, ideas, notes, shortcuts to folders on your hard drive, WWW links, etc.
Conduits for Palm OS over Linux would be great.
btw, Microsoft does not have any product similar to Lotus Notes.
Lotus Notes is the ultimate data/info integration tool imho.
Have you all forgotten about Numenta?
That said, I'm extremely intrigued and mildly hopeful that Hawkins might have something more interesting up his sleeve. Part of me wonders if the real news tomorrow might be less about the hardware and more about the back-end software. And I'm not talking about some new Linux-based smartphone OS. I'm talking about some Numenta-based AI server-side software. I didn't see any mention of this possibility in the article here or at PIC, which surprises me. After all, isn't that what Hawkins has claimed to have been focusing on for the past few years? They recently demoed a very early bit of the fruits of their labor, and one thing seemed certain: It required real horsepower running on a back-end server, not something that could be squeezed down into a smartphone kernel. So I'm thinking that we're talking about some sort of next-gen Google which combines location-based services, image recognition (fed via the smartphone/wireless PDA's built-in camera), and natural language recognition (think what "Ask Jeeves" claimed to offer early on, but never really did very well).
Jumping back on the hardware front...here's another idea which the patents discussed in Treocentral's article here could be hinting at and which, interestingly enough, also align with ideas I've proposed in the past: Separating the PDA/screen and the phone into two separate components. The phone would become a small and dumb terminal/access point, possibly sized like an old pager. Separately there would be a large screen/CPU, possibly housed in a more traditional PDA form-factor. See my very, very old article here (and more importantly the discussion that followed in the forums where the idea was fleshed out further):
http://goodthatway.com/news_arc/?id=68
Another appealing aspect of this idea is that it frees Palm from the control of the carriers. How so? Well, Palm "simply" has to get them to agree to allow the pager-sized access point be used on their network. The separate PDA/display unit (where the real excitement lies) is back under the control of Palm. They can release software updates as often as they like without having to wait for the carriers to test it for 6 months (and possibly snub the idea of any upgrades at all).
Anyways, there's my brain dump. I really do hope that we'll be wowed tomorrow.
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RE: Have you all forgotten about Numenta?
From the Numenta home page:
The first release of the Numenta Platform for Intelligent Computing (NuPIC) is a research release targeted at sophisticated developers for the purpose of education and experimentation.
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: Have you all forgotten about Numenta?
http://www.tapland.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1485&highlight=modular+concept
Pair a small smartphone with 3G/BT with a small tablet, add GPS, Wifi, and a full sized keyboard and you can have a great web experience, excellent document handling, handwritten notes, etc.
Treo + Foleo (folding tablet device with full size keyboard) + web services.
Brian
Hawkins is a genius!!!
Pilot 1000 -> IIIe(w/ Ricochet wireless modem) -> Handspring -> 700P -> ????
RE: Hawkins is a genius!!!
Pat Horne
RE: Hawkins is a genius!!!
If it's true, I owe myself a pat (Horne) on the back.
I tossed out the term "Mobile Phone Companion" here several times in the past. I figured it was a good way to rebrand & remarket the stagnant Palm PDA line....it was probably a year or more ago, actually! And all that COULD have been easily done years ago under Garnet had Palm not been so ch!ckensh!t scared and beholden to the carriers (and, of course, the carriers not so inherently greedy and shortsighted).
Of course, I was thinking that the key application would be SEAMLESS Bluetooth integration between a small, sleek, top notch for voice dumbphone and a TX-sized PDA. There are plenty of times I am going somewhere (a club, hiking, concert, a party) where I don't want the fragility/risk/bulk/weight/hassle of a Treo in my pocket. And let's not forget that the Treo, for all of its virtues, still makes a pretty crummy voice phone. A perfectly meshed PDA + dumbphone with rock-solid, carrier & Palm-supported BT DUN, contact integration, full BT OBEX/OP profiles etc. could be a flawless setup.
The Foleo could be a huge homerun (assuming the "leaked" press release is correct) but I don't want to be tied to a $600 Treo and a $600 Foleo. I'd rather have a $600 Foleo and, if I so choose, a freebie RAZR-style cell phone (or any other phone of choice).
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RE: Hawkins is a genius!!!
Sounds large.
and why would the Foleo sync all data to the Treo? For what purpose? seems redundant. Is this device a way to force us to buy a Treo?
We need seemless, wifi proximity detection, sync to the desktop, not a Treo.
RE: Hawkins is a genius!!!
RE: Hawkins is a genius!!!
Reminds me of that entertainer that spins plates on stage. A bit too much. Just what I was hoping for ... a brick to haul around with my Treo.
Hey, I've got it. Why not add a cell radio to our companion and market it as a converged device. Wooohooo!
HKK, you may be the real prophet round here afterall.
Pat Horne
RE: Hawkins is a genius!!!
RE: Hawkins is a genius!!!
You do realize I went from schlepping around a Motorola dumbphone & a Palm Tungsten (insert all T|T models here) to schlepping around a newer Motorola dumbphone & a 700p?
All of this because I want to be able to get e-mail or essential web data *anywhere* but also not wanting to compromise voice quality/coverage/comfort.
Ideally I'd be fine with a TX + a rock solid BT connection to a 3G DUN-enabled dumbphone but I'll take whatever I can get at this stage of the game.
A shame if the Foleo has NO onboard wireless functionality whatsoever. It'd be cool to be able to have your Treo sitting in its cradle & charging while you sit on the ol' porcelain throne with the Foleo that's online via wi-fi and bang out insults to fellow PIC members ;-)
I hope this isn't Palm doing something just for the sake of doing something that's decidedly non-iPhone-like. Much like the SD to miniSD transition, Palm sometimes feels that change just for the sake of change is somehow news-worthy.
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RE: Hawkins is a genius!!!
Colligan was misquoted here. What he really said ...
“As we did with the Tungsten W less than a decade ago, and more recently with the Lifedrive Mobile Manager, Palm is driving ...”
Ya know. It seriously looks like Palm is going for all the marbles here. This is a backdoor attack on the Personal Computer, and a full frontal attack of the Linux OS for the common PC user. If it can do what my laptop does (now more popular than desktops) and keep my info synced with my smartphone, cheaper and more portably, then heeeeeyyy!
Pat Horne
RE: Hawkins is a genius!!!
Pat Horne
Wake up call to those who are just ignoring the OLED announcment.
Listen guys, am I the ONLY godamn one here who is excited by OLED and understands this alone is a revolution in mobile computing?
Come on, wake up guys and let's see some talk about this, you are all missing the boat. This is HUGE news.
Countdown continues.
*** 12 hours left, and counting ***
Jeff Hawkins is likely right now in the middle of REM sleep, his brain is dreaming/rehearsing what he plans to say and how to say it.
RE: Countdown continues.
Engadget http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/30/palm-foleo-is-what-hawkins-is-announcing-at-d/ already summed up my feelings on that idea.
I sure hope the 'leaked' release turns out to be bogus
May You Live in Interesting Times
RE: Countdown continues.
I love ya man, but I also read that Engadget article and I disagree with him.
If a person is phone-centric, they need a Treo (curvature, size, shape, feel, look in public). If a user also requires a strong enhanced mobile computing experience they should then ADD a Foleo.
The Treo alone with it's converged compromises (namely the 320x320 screen) will NEVER offer a truly satisfying mobile computing experience.
The Foleo is good concept (per yet to be confirmed rumor info)that should be tried. I feel it might be the only way to truly develop mobile computing.
Besides, having 2 devices double battery life.
Also, Palm should sell a washed down nano-Treo which does not do mobile computing other than to integrate into a Foleo. It would reduce the perfect of a superfluous redundant device.
Mark my words here today.
In 2008, there will be
a) iPhone users will doing nothing more than use it for calls all the while pretending that "they also can do mobile computing" (like Treo users today).
b) HTC WM users who will make calls and do a bit of mobile computing.
c) Treo + Foleo users who love making calls and who truly start doing serious and fun mobile computing. You will start seeing true life reports from users who will express how happy of things like:
- I can, for the first time, do serious work on a mobile device.
- I can finally enjoy a movie with the OLED screen.
- I can type on a keyboard at finally a normal necessary speed & comfort.
The fear and disgust of having 2 devices will fade if the Foleo is truly good and what it is supposed to do i.e., make mobile computing a reality.
RE: Mark my words here today.
iPhone users will talk on the iPhone and listen to iTunes music. They will be happy.
Business travelers will use thier laptops to work on Powerpoint and watch movies while on the plane or train.
People who need instant email will use thier Blackberrys.
The iPhone people won't want a device that doesn't do iTunes and isn't pocketable and a dead-simple turnkey product. The laptop people won't want a device with a proprietary OS and little software support. The email people won't want to carry a full size keyboard device around just for emails.
The best shot at a phone companion would have been something like the T3 but updated with better hardware and a seamless software suit for email, music, web, plus dead-simple pairing to any BT phone.
RE: Mark my words here today.
PDA's Past and Present:
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100
RE: Mark my words here today.
Palm even missed the mark on pricing. $500? Inexpensive laptops can be had for that price. And that's just as expensive as iPhone. At least Nokia was aware that a price ceiling existed when marketing its N800 (which hasn't been a success at any rate).
I loved the quote from Hawkins about diminishing waistlines of Smartphones driving a need for companion devices. Who is he kidding? Treo hasn't downsized at all. And I'm not sure if Hawkins noticed or not, but consumers are abandoning "companion" devices (ala PDAs). Users want a SINGLE device, not TWO.
Ah well, at least we get a chance to see Palm's new embedded Linux platform in operation, which is the only thing that excites me in this product; it means we can say goodbye to Garnet (forever) much sooner than expected...and that is our salvation as much as Palm's.
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RE: Mark my words here today.
So the idea isn't new by any means.
Funniest sentence EVER on PIC
OMFG! That is soooo funny!
What would be funnier: If it WOULDN'T WORK with the iPhone!!!
RE: Mark my words here today.
The leaked press release says it has a built in keyboard, which leads me to wonder if this device isn't an OQO clone.
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RE: Mark my words here today.
The Foleo, as described, isn't an "always-on-you" device like a mobile phone. Just something that could be a lot "more-on-you" than your laptop, so it makes higher-function mobile computing more available. I've always liked the idea that mobile computing was somewhat modular, so you can have one configuration for "desk-to-conference-room and airport-to-hotel-room" mobility on the one hand and another more pocketable configuration for "street" mobility. The pain point I'm guessing that Palm is addressing here is the integration between the two and the fact that laptops often fail to deliver on the first kind of mobility because they are too big and slow to start up (among other things). I can't just plop my laptop down on a nearby desk and start taking notes on an incoming call or a conversation with a colleague that is already underway. Getting the desktop OS out of the way is a bold move on Palm's part, but one that is absolutely necessary in my book if this product isn't going to sink like yet-another-UMPC. I need MS Office integration not MS Vista on my "desk-to-conference-room-to-hotel-room-to-flight" mobile device, and it sounds like DataViz is providing that part.
The big question for me is the form factor. I could really use a larger touchscreen for note-taking--the one major data capture operation I've never satisfactorily digitized--but it's not clear whether the keyboard on this thing is convertible for using it as a tablet. If it is, a good note-taking app with great ink performance would be a killer app for me. I would drop $500 in a heartbeat for it because I'm dying here without it.
I suspect that this device fills a good number of smallish niches--and I think that's the way much of the growth in the mobile device market is going to happen from here on out. But that doesn't make the marketing challenge for Palm any easier. It will be interesting to see how they try to tackle that.
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
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RE: Mark my words here today.
In many ways, this is the device LifeDrive SHOULD have been; very un-PDA. I'm less interested in the device and more interested in the software that powers it. This is, after all, Garnet's replacement and will power future Palm handsets
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RE: Mark my words here today.
This is, after all, Garnet's replacement and will power future Palm handsets
Uh, I doubt that very much.
It will be related to the handset software, I'm sure, but it needs to support very different hardware, applications, and use cases: more emphasis on performance of sustained tasks rather than brief, frequently interrupted or distracted sessions like you have on a phone. You realize don't you that there is no mention yet of support for Palm OS applications running on this device: just that it has applications that *sync* with the Palm OS apps on your Treo. Not saying I know that there is no Garnet VM there--just that it's by no means as certain on a device like this as it is on the next-generation Treos.
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
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What this thing might look like...
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=11901
I'm not sure if I'd be too thrilled about the idea, for a couple of reasons:
1) If I have to carry it around along with a separate phone, it becomes cumbersome to have to carry around two bulky devices. I've got my left pants pocket dedicated to carrying my Treo.
2) If it's meant to be paired with a phone via Bluetooth, I'm skeptical of how quick it will connect. When I used to try doing that with my Zodiac, I'd always have to wait and watch the PDA pair and connect to the internet. If they try to keep the connection constant, that would likely drain the battery.
3) If this device has a phone built into it, that solves the above two issues, but how will it be quick to use for getting at bits of info quickly? I have to unfold it and lay it on a desk any time I want to use it? Based on that deleted press release, it doesn't sound like there's a phone built-in, though, so this issue is likely moot.
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RE: What this thing might look like...
They can't even get software updates and make their software work like active sync!
I input info and it happens, with treo I input info I have to hit the button? Still in the dinosaur age, what a shame!
I wish GE would come up with MLS software that will work well with wm2005 or 6 so I can dump this garbage (700p).
You people hang on to every word or piece of junk palm puts out just because you hate MS.
Hey great idea, let's put out a new 755p for absolutely no reason and not have a much needed (1 year later) update for the damn 700p.
When are you guys that follow palm blindly going to realize that palm has played you for a sucker with every new phone?
Palm is trying so hard to make MS look bad that they even gave a Robust OS like WM2005 a crappy processor to work with to make themselves look good.
Bunch of idiots!
Mike Beers is exactly right..
- Like Mike said, people don't need to carry Windows XP, they need to carry 'data'. So if you are using MS Office, Sun's OpenOffice suite or Dataviz's Docs2Go, it makes no difference. As long as you can carry your .xls .doc files with you. So a proprietary Palm OS over Linux is not a problem at all.
- Treos will play the role of on the fly, quickly grabbing tidbits of info. To not look like a fool in public you have to have a slim device near your face, not some huge flat odd looking slab of a device that will make people look at you funny.
- Treo, with their screen size and mini keyb will never physically be able to offer a full mobile computing experience. There is a usability/productivity threshold that needs to be passed before mass adoption will occur; and the Foleo might just be that device.
- If a person is outrage at the idea of having 2 devices being optimized for their role, then they likely don't need to do mobile computing.
- The best thing in the long run is for Palm to focus on mobile computing devices like the Foleo and eventually come out with a tiny super slim 160x160 micro Treo that has barely anything inside of it, and it communicates with the Foleo as the 'home base'. You can even think of a nano Treo that seamlessly snaps into the home base Foleo and offers additional processing power, emergency battery life sharing (Foleo to Treo and Treo to Foleo), an enhanced 3rd speaker for louder movies (or simulated surroud), the Treo would act as a 2nd screen (dual monitor), etc
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