Comments on: First Palm Pre 2 Pictures Emerge
The set of images confirm that the overall design is much the same with a few minor casing tweaks such as a flatter face, some kind of soft touch display bezel and an exposed side microUSB port sans the flimsy cover. Spec wise, the unannounced handset is confirmed to be running webOS 2.0 on a 1 GHz chip with 512 MB of ram. Still unconfined at this point is the screen resolution, which judging from the out of focus spy shots seems to be unchanged. Still no definitive word on release timing, though MobiFrance seems to think it will arrive sometime in November.
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RE: game changer
Add in webOS 2.0 and I think as long as the pricing is right then it should sell fine.
According to the french website the pre2 has a bigger flatter screen. Will be interested to see how the resolution on that adds up. I have a feeling that this is an interim phone and that we won't see the fruits of the HP takeover til next year. I might actually take a punt on this one if the price is right.
RE: game changer
yes - once again - the *real* game changer is *coming*. you've been waiting how many years now? why? and at what point do you start feeling like a chump?
Provisional FAIL
RE: Provisional FAIL
not sure if the curve helps or hinders the target demographic.
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RE: Provisional FAIL
F*****g Shiva handed you a million dollars, told you "Sign the deal!" you wouldn't sign. And the god Vishnu too, into the bargain.
RE: Provisional FAIL
Gekko wrote:
>This is still not something I'd buy.F*****g Shiva handed you a million dollars, told you "Sign the deal!" you wouldn't sign. And the god Vishnu too, into the bargain.
Hello this is Sam from Dell. Hold on for a minute. You should not be using my Gods names in vain. That is most sacrilegious.
Oh come on....
This is a solid upgrade to the Pre which is all anyone could have realistically expected. Product pipelines, even for cell phones, are measured in terms closer to years than weeks. Development of this phone probably started before the first Pre was sold.
RE: Oh come on....
But not what everyone wants (Gekko)
Removing that god awful curved shiny distorted reflective display is a big step in the right direction!
That azerty keyboard just highlights the advantage of software keyboards, an iPhone has over 40 to choose from.
When they include legacy app compatibility they may have a contender.
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RE: Oh come on....
RE: Oh come on....
what's the definition of insanity? doing the same thing twice and expecting different results.
RE: Oh come on....
The specs are equal to the majority of competitors... while there are a handful of phones with better specs, ie front facing camera for video calls and bigger or higher resolution screens (resolution still to be confirmed on Pre2), the main differentiating factor is the OS.
In this regard webOS is competitive now that the hardware is up to spec. WebOS is one of the most easiest, most pleasing to use UIs out there.... I would suggest you actually try it on an overclocked Pre to get a real idea of what the new Pre2 will be able to do. For the record I have an iphone 3GS, but after playing around with the latest Android, iphone4 and a friends overclocked Palm Pre, I feel I know which direction I want to jump to next.
RE: Oh come on....
RE: Oh come on....
Have a nice day!
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RE: Oh come on....
Have a nice day!
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RE: Oh come on....
No, if Apple would have pulled a stunt like that with iPhone they wouldn't be where they are now.
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RE: Oh come on....
Attention! Apple DID pull a "stunt" like that, when they went to OS X. Bringing iPhone into this is nonsense. It's still iOS, and older versions can't use all the software of newer versions (hello, no compass, for one thing).
I wonder if they saw fit to improve the miserable camera of the original Pre?
RE: Oh come on....
The original Pre camera wasn't hideous. It was fixed focus, yes, and "only" 3mp but at least it was lightning-fast unlike some of the laaaaaaagy Android competition. I think the unforgivable lack of video recording at launch was a much bigger problem. I want to see a major focus from all handset & camera sensor module manufacturers on better response and performance instead of just upping megapixel counts.
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RE: Oh come on....
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RE: Oh come on....
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RE: Oh come on....
jimn367 wrote:
No, the Pre was not failure, the Kin was a failure. Because of new better/faster competition the Pre was not a home run. It was an average run-of-the-mill single.
The company ended up having to be sold. That counts as a failure.
The problem is a phone that is just a bit better than everyone else's isn't going to sell well. It needs to be able to distinguish itself by more than a few better columns in the specs and a slightly better user interface. People have already looked at the Pre and passed on it. What are they offering so people look again?
RE: Oh come on....
The Pre wasn't a success on the Droid or iPhone level but it was not an epic fail on the level of the Kin. It would have been fine as an interim device for a larger company but it wasn't enough to save Palm given the state of the company's finances, marketshare and mindshare.
Again, there is no reason the Pre 2 couldn't have been released earlier in the year but now it will at least help keep WebOS and HP/Palm in the spotlight to a certain extent while more compelling hardware is developed.
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RE: Oh come on....
The reality, not so much.
RE: Oh come on....
Frankly, I don't know that there's anything HP can do about that now, short of figuring out a way to emulate iOS or Android apps in WebOS.
RE: Oh come on....
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RE: Oh come on....
Actually, I have a Pre. I just haven't updated my profile in a long time. :)
I agree with you about the T5, though. It was a solid device. I liked my TX a little bit better, but still, the T5 was nice.
And to correct my last post a little bit: I don't think the lack of follow-up with other vendors was necessarily the worst mistake they made. The worst mistake was not making sure they made every possible deal they had to make to ensure that Classic was installed -- for free -- on every shipping Pre and Pixi. Yes, most of the apps were crude by today's standards, but at least they would've had a solid stock of apps to point to. Initially, I was one of the people thinking they shouldn't have to include backward compatibility, but that was before I saw how mind-bogglingly bad they were at pumping out apps.
RE: Oh come on....
the T5 was a piece of garbage. i remember (as some of you might recall) driving all the way to my local (now defunct) Palm store at the airport upon its release and fighting and schmoozing the TSA in a post-9-11 world in order to get through security with no ticket in order to get my hands on one. bought it and drove all the way home only to soon realize that it was a piece of garbage. then had to repeat said process to return the damn thing and revert back to my then-beloved T3 . what an awful device and an awful experience. i think this was around 2004? hard to believe it's been 6 years and now i have something so much more powerful and amazing like my EVO 4G!
RE: Oh come on....
Could you be a little more descriptive than "piece of garbage"? When I had it, it was a pretty solid device. It wasn't a phone, and it wasn't terribly net-connected, but it was a good PDA. I only dumped it to get the TX's wi-fi.
RE: Oh come on....
1. cheap plasticky build quality. funny - just like the Pre - i guess some things never change!
2. buggy beta rollout of NVFS storage system.
3. no WIFI (standard on many PDAs at the time).
4. incremental spec upgrades.
5. proprietary ports/charger.
6. no cradle included.
there's probably more but i just can't remember.
RE: Oh come on....
2. Yes, but at least the T5 had extra RAM to spare. Remember how crippled the 650 was at launch? In some instances, pre-patch, it had LESS usable space than the device it was replacing (Treo 600)!
3. Horrible move on Palm's part, but somewhat understandable given the presence of the T|C in the lineup. Still, people had been clamoring for wi-fi on the T3 a year earlier.
4. Ditto. Always a Palm problem (even now!)
5. Not really. The Athena universal connector was used from the T5/650 in 2004 up through the final Centro in 2008. MiniUSB and such hadn't really caught on at this time so that is somewhat understandable.
6. Another lame move considering the T5's predecessors had always included cradles.
Here are some more to add:
7. No microphone for voice recording capability (T3 had this)
8. No LED light for charging (T3 had this)
9. Weak/mushy power button prone to failure (just like the TE series and TX)
10. Worse stylus than the T3. Also required unscrewing the cap to access the reset button.
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PIC
PIC has effectively turned into a nostalgia site. not through any fault of Ryan - but from a failure of Palm to create and market credible, competitive products.
Better but still too little, too late
-Battery is still undersized
-Screen & resolution are still undersized
-Gesture area is still silly & pointless
-Still no microSDHC support
-Virtual keyboard support might be there for WebOS 2.0 but it will be all but useless on that tiny screen and will still be awkward on a portrait slider.
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RE: Better but still too little, too late
well the beauty is that HP has almost unlimited financial resources (sans talent and leadership) to keep throwing this shiit against the wall ad infinitum (and ad nauseum). eventually they'll probably wise up and fully embrace Android and shut webOS down.
RE: Better but still too little, too late
p.s. i predict that Apotheker will soon run HP back into the ground and after several abysmal quarters his head will roll along and all unprofitable unsuccessful "ventures" like Palm and webOS will be shut down.
when times are good - everyone is fat and happy and there's a lot of margin for error. when times are bad - everyone starts pointing the finger at everyone else and they start looking under every rock to cut costs and trim fat.
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RE: Better but still too little, too late
Wish you would stick to the topic and not meander off into your personal desire for revenge on Palm for not getting you the Palm PDA/phone you wanted... The current company is nothing to do with the days of Colligan.
This is a new company with a new direction, the only thing that should matter is whether webOS is a competitive mobile OS in the smartphone/tablet arena. For me the answer is now starting to look like a yes now that the hardware specs and underlying OS is starting to mature with 2.0.
RE: Better but still too little, too late
RE: Better but still too little, too late
try to follow along - companies can prosper in bad economies - ie see Apple - and vice versa. i was talking about HP recent success under Hurd as defined by market share and stock price.
the bottom line is that i just don't think HP/Palm can compete with the iPhone and Android juggernaut - let alone WP7 and BB. someday iPhone and Android will die - but i think they will be done in by some dropout who started a company out of his dorm room.
RE: Better but still too little, too late
Will HP CEO Leo Apotheker Kill Palm's Consumer Future?
Sascha Segan - PC Magazine
Fri Oct 1, 7:07 am ET
I'm hoping HP's new CEO, Leo Apotheker, has a scintillating personality, because his resume looks like doom for the world's largest computer maker's future in the consumer and mobile markets.
I'm not baffled by this choice: I'm depressed. On paper, Apotheker is an apparatchik from a company that has absolutely no exposure to consumers. He spent 20 years selling hideously boring but profitable enterprise software, and was then vaulted up to CEO and swiftly sacrificed on the altar of the global economic collapse.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20101001/tc_zd/255160
hail mary
so i guess this was the device that Ruby et al were hard at work on for the last 2 years since the intro of the Pre in January 2009?
so this was the hail mary to save them from the hail mary???
RE: hail mary
What on earth was in the pipeline? If this is it, then they either thot the Pre was a iPhonesque in it's original success, Thus another tweak would keep it ahead or the rest.
Or (probably reality) this was the pathetic followup to the original from a company that was simply positioning itself for sale based on the first release device / OS.
Pat Horne
RE: hail mary
yes - i think that they actually believed that the Pre was *better* than the iPhone.
do you recall McNamee's bold statements and predictions?
remember, Jerry - it's not a lie if you believe it.
RE: Leo
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game changer
wow what innovation!
they'll sell dozens!!!