Comments on: Access Releases Updated Garnet VM for Nokia Tablets

Yes, that's certainly what it appears to be, huh? Something JUST like that - some guy said "I can do this!" then did it and showed it to someone and it took off from there.

Couldn't you pretty much get the 5.5x features through third party apps like Agendus, etc? I don't see Palm ever playing nice here. In fact quite the opposite.

Moi...?

So, how many ACCESS phones will be out by the end of this year again?

Bueller? Bueller? Hello, McFly!!!

== "...didn't mention that lefty is an employee of Access who works
== on Access's competing operating system product, ALP..."

[btw - I have literally NO idea HOW he "works" on that platform - guess I haven't been following too closely...]

Certainly. Feel free to drop by one of our sales offices, execute the various contracts and license agreements, and the very instant your check clears, we'll set you up with a Platform Development Kit.

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(*) Yeah, yeah, yeah - okay, sorta free - certainly free for real to the SECOND person who asks for it, right (**)?

(**) Because the second person gets it from the first person.

If I distribute GPL'd software for a fee, am I required to also make it available to the public without a charge?

No. However, if someone pays your fee and gets a copy, the GPL gives them the freedom to release it to the public, with or without a fee. For example, someone could pay your fee, and then put her copy on a web site for the general public.

In other words sv could buy a copy of the source code from lefty and then send it to me for free. Thanks ;-)

(I think the LGPL has more strict terms)

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Hey Admin: Why do we have to keep two profiles?

I believe you guys would do well to go and actually read the GPL and LGPL and see what they say, 'cause they don't actually say anything like what you seem to be thinking they do. I'd explain in more detail, but I actually charge for that, I'm afraid...

In other words sv could buy a copy of the source code from lefty and then send it to me for free.

Nope, sorry. That's not how it works. That might well apply to the portions that are reciprocally open source-licensed, certainly not to the platform as a whole, and potentially not even to things licensed under, say, BSD (not to say that we do that, we don't, just to say that it would be entirely within the terms of that particular license).

At the very least. You would have done well to miss posting in your pre-sleep instead. The fact that I didn't write the article appears likewise to still be escaping you...

Hey, where's that "iPod Air"...?

I thoroughly read the GPL well before I posted a single word about it.

It says exactly what I say it said.

Regarding "exactly": "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." (Inigo Montoya)

My whole point about quoting is that if you intend to quote something, then do so. If not, then readily admit it is nothing more than your personal take on what it means. No one should be able to challenge your quote, because there should be no room for challenge; you are only repeating it verbatim. But your interpretation/paraphrase/manipulation of that quote can and should be challenged for what it is: nothing more than your own words. And if it is nothing more than your own words, then considering the source and the record of past behavior in this regard, I am not highly inclined to accept your interpretation/paraphrase/manipulation of anything.


"twrock is infamous around these parts" (from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

Somewhere "up there" in the comments is a mention that ACCESS's marketing guy questioned the "open-ness" of Android. So I made a joke post asking for the source of ALP since...you know...the GPL unambiguously-as-described says it MUST be available and...welll...you know...THAT would show how "open" =ACCESS= is.

Instead, an obfuscating reply came back from the marketing guy and here we are!

ACCESS is real open, huh?

That is to say...getting back to the real joke....kettle, pot!

Giggle.

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But...what is WITH you two guys (t- and f-whatever)!?

No kidding - it's as if you have decided to plant your feet somewhere and let them grow roots!

Sheesh.

Since we KNOW that Microsoft Windows costs about $17 per unit for binary rights, we can extrapolate that ALP/Nova is no/little more than that as well, thus the SOURCE fee would have to be...you know...pocket change...

Here's another "extrapolation" (with apologies to Kris; you'll see why):

Since we think we've heard somewhere that Microsoft Windows costs $17 per unit for binary rights and since we know that MS Windows actually isn't worth jack squat, we can extrapolate that other OS's, which are based at least in part on vastly superior open-source code and thus are worth significantly more in binary form and astronomically more in source format (because there is so much more that someone can do with the source code than the binary), are, relatively speaking, worth way more than anybody around here has the money to afford.

(What d'ya think people? Do I get an "A" in Logic 101?)


"twrock is infamous around these parts" (from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

"twrock is infamous around these parts" (from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

Thanks for the laugh. It shows your level of understanding of when, where and how GPL applies.

So, will those ALP phones be two for a quarter (four for a Euro)?

Only way to make headway against the iPhone.

You know, that phone that DOESN'T have a circa-1990 UI?

Of course, that's the sort of phrase you get wrong and nobody corrects you because they're all too freaking polite.

Not according to my understanding, nor to http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ek20060725a1.html">The Japan Times, apparently:

So," you say, squinting piercingly at him, "how about that job for me? Are you going to hire me as your eikaiwa no sensei (English conversation teacher)?"

"Ya (Hmm)," he says, scratching the nape of his neck, "muzukashii desu ne (It's difficult, I think)."

...muzukashii doesn't really mean "difficult" in that context, it means "No way, Jose."

He'd need a whole bottle of pills and some electrodes to get anywhere close to that setting.

"Muzukashii" simply means "difficult", not specifically "difficult to understand". When you say, "Suugaku no shiken wa muzukashikatta desu yo!", you're saying that the math test was really hard to do, not to understand. In the same way, "難;し;い;仕;事;", "muzukashii shigoto" is a hard job, not a job that's difficult to comprehend.

Here's an example from a book on Amazon Japan, 10才;ま;で;に;覚;え;て;お;き;た;い;ち;ょ;っ;と;難;し;い;1000の;こ;と;ば;, roughly "1000 Kind of Difficult Words for 10-Year-Olds to Learn", where the phrase ち;ょ;っ;と;難;し;い; is used to mean "a little difficult" or "kind of difficult", just as I've described. No doubt you could turn up many more examples with Google.

See http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/images/4990229029/ref=dp_image_0/503-4230705-9899904?ie=UTF8&n=465392&s=books for a picture of the cover of this book...

Hey Lefty, when your boss tells you to clean out your desk because Access is all washed up, here's a hint: he's not talking about your personal hygiene.

Let's see if one of those damned tags turns off the bolding...

>>>he's not talking about your personal hygiene.

Maybe he means *both*. Have you seen a picture of this goober?!

And he keeps ducking the number of ALP phones due out this year.

Let's try Z-e-r-o.

My friends did basically side with you. They agreed it wasn't the usual phrase, but they understood it perfectly. Thanks for the well-wishing on learning Japanese, sarcasm not withstanding. I love talking about Japanese and it was a fun conversation last night that taught me a few things.

Are you not-so insidiously suggesting that a similar fate may have (or may likely) befallen Nova?

I would *NOT* rule it out.

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

Part of the main problem with a PDA is through which avenues they'd sell such a beast. Palm has only a bare handful of B&M retail channels remaining and all of the Palm retail stores/kiosks are gone. So that leaves online e-tailers...not good if Palm is trying to woo customers with a nice new screen or formfactor.

The only other possibility would be a WiMax Nokia N810-style device sold through Sprint stores but I see that as too risky, low volume and Fooleo-esque.

No, if Nova doesn't pan out like they are hoping, I can easily envision Palm just tightening the belt considerably and become JAWL (just another Windows licensee) that just happens to continue peddling a single Palm OS device (the Centro and future variants) as long as it's feasiable and/or the carriers will play along with a Garnet device. Basically, milk the Centro bone dry much like they've done with their current PDA line.

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

All the words in the preceding post, of course, assume the MOST optimistic view of PALM's development capability, perhaps a view that is not actually realistic.