Tungsten W Nearing Availability With AT&T

Palm Tungsten WAccording to a report on InfoWorld, Palm is set to announce the availability of the Tungsten W handheld with wireless service from AT&T by the end of this month.

UPDATE: Palm SG has formally announced the availability of the Tungsten W for Feb 28th.

Palm SG announced the Tungsten W handheld back in October along with the Tungsten T model. The Palm Tungsten W handheld is a data-centric handheld providing a combination of wireless email, SMS messaging, phone functionality, business applications, and Palm's classic Personal Information Management (PIM) software. The W handheld has a tri-band (900MHz, 1800MHz and 1900MHz) wireless radio which operates on GSM/GPRS networks.

The Palm Tungsten W handheld runs Palm OS(R) 4.1.1 on a Motorola Dragonball VZ 33mHz processor. It has 16MB of internal memory (14.8MB usable) and a SD/MMC expansion slot. It has the same crisp 320x320 display found on the Tungsten T. It also ships with the most powerful battery in a Palm handheld to date: a lithium ion battery that provides up to 10 hours of talk time.

tung_w_jabra.jpg ~ Click for Larger The W has a built in thumb keyboard and the Palm Universal connector. It’s dimensions are 5.43" (including antenna) x 3.07" x .65"; an weighs in at 6.5 oz. it also hasVibration, audio and LED notification methods and alarms.

The estimated street price for the Palm Tungsten W handheld is $549 (U.S.) without wireless service. The price may vary based upon carrier and or discounts offered for purchasing with a service contract. The device has been rolled out with a service in Singapore with SingTel. Vodafone U.K. and Rogers AT&T Wireless in Canada were also announced last October but have not yet begun.

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Finally!

james_sorenson @ 2/19/2003 12:15:24 PM #
We finally get an update on the Tungsten W! Thank you! Man, I've been waiting for this thing. The first Hi-Res Wireless Palm. Surfing the news while on the train with this thing is going to be sweet! Glad to see they chose AT&T over T-Mobile. I'm sort of surprised they didn't include Cingular, but no matter.

Keep us posted on the final release date!

Jim

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RE: Finally!
Rhauer @ 2/19/2003 2:37:16 PM #
James, I'm curious about your coment re:At&t.

I am a long time AT&T wireless cust. and just purch. Tung. T for the purpose of getting e-mail via bluetooth. After reviewing At&T GSM coverage I am having 2nd thoughts. Although I work in NYC I travel within the US frequently and I'm concerned I won't be able to make or recieve calls in many areas. I was just starting to think about T-mobile.

Any thoughts re: the 2 services would be appre. Thanks.

RE: Finally!
Servo @ 2/19/2003 2:54:11 PM #
I live and work in NYC and travel infrequently [mostly in the tri-state area and Toronto]. When the T68i came out, a couple of us at work got it through AT&T and some through T-Mobile.

The T-Mobile people are constantly complaining about coverage in the area. Just this morning, in fact, my co-worker said to me, "I'm glad we got our phones from AT&T."

Although, I also need to add that as soon as my contract with AT&T runs out I plan on switching back to Sprint.

RE: Finally!
james_sorenson @ 2/19/2003 3:04:50 PM #
AT&T and T-Mobile are pretty close right now, but AT&T is expanding the GSM/GPRS coverage faster than T-Mobile. Not too surprising since AT&T has the capitol to do it. Oddly enough, in the Bay Area, Cingular seems to have the best coverage of all of them, but outside of that...

If you already have solid T-Mobile coverage in your area, then it's best to use them. The two networds are compatible, so you won't have to buy a new phone if you decide to switch to a different GSM/GPRS provider later on.

Jim

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AT&T and Capital
joelforeman @ 2/19/2003 3:57:05 PM #
Not so fast. AT&T is really one of the smallest players in the cell market. They aren't part of Ma Bell, they are a separate spin-off. In fact, T-Mobile might just be the largest provider in the US, due to the fact that they have such a large presence outside of this country. I'm pretty sure that even Sprint, Verizon, and Cingular are larger than AT&T.
RE: Finally!
UZI4U182 @ 2/19/2003 4:08:09 PM #
Cingular sucks.

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RE: Finally!
robrecht @ 2/19/2003 4:16:58 PM #
GSM providers in the United States are fine in some major metropolitan areas but none come close to Verizon's analog and CDMA coverage in most areas. An AT&T rep didn't even want me to try one of their GSM phones because he knew how poor their coverage is currently in central Jersey (between NYC & Philly).

Thanks, Robrecht
RE: Finally!
Rhauer @ 2/19/2003 5:39:15 PM #
Verizon still doesn't offer a bluetooth phone.

RE: Finally!
james_sorenson @ 2/19/2003 7:51:27 PM #
AT&T may be small, but it is also the last one to jump on the bandwagon (in other words, they've only started). Their progress is still faster than the other services, so it won't be long until you see greater coverage from AT&T. Now, the hope is that you can still "roam" on T-Mobile and Cingular with GPRS. I know this applies to GSM, but I don't know if it applies to GPRS.

As for the comment on Cingular, I find the service quite reliable, though not as good as Verizon. Cingular does get a bit broken with weak signals. Sprint is odd: IF you get a signal, it is ALWAYS a good one. Seems to be all or nothing. However, Sprint does not seem to have as good of coverage where I travel. Oh well.

Yeesh...I admit the newer CDMA technology is very cool compared to GSM, but leaving the cell standards to the open market sure has made a mess in the U.S.A. I can understand why the European countries laugh at us when it comes to cell-phones.

Jim

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RE: Finally!
Sowen @ 2/20/2003 12:08:41 AM #
Who cares what kind of coverage they offer... Its GSM. I have owned several GSM phones and none of them worked inside or near any kind of concrete or stucko buildings (which means they work poorly in cities - the same cities where my friends CDMA phone worked fine). According to AT&T, this is a "limitation" of GSM networks.

RE: Finally!
Elferoz @ 2/20/2003 12:47:01 AM #
If you want Excellant Coverage and Fast Internet for cheap Sprint Included Unlimited Vision with there 3G network Sprint and Verizon are the way to go where AT&T your paying Per MB and Tmobile.

RE: Finally!
robrecht @ 2/20/2003 2:34:33 PM #
"Verizon still doesn't offer a bluetooth phone."

Granted Verizon is behind everyone else in bringing out cool phones in general and BT phones in particular (especially egregious being their decision to bring out the T606 without BT).

That being said, some people still use the Timeport 270c with the bluetooth battery adaptor on Verizon. A much less well known ooption is the SE T68i, which can be purchased as a Verizon replacement phone (see http://www.ustronics.com/bsonert6verr.html) and used with the DBA-10 bluetooth add-on module.

No, they are not cool, and yes Verizon is to be despised for their recent dearth of cool phones, but it is possible to use a Tungsten T with with a Verizon bluetooth enabled phone.

Thanks, Robrecht

RE: Finally!
robrecht @ 2/20/2003 5:18:21 PM #
Sorry, meant to say T61c not T68i above.

Thanks, Robrecht
RE: Finally!
elmo @ 2/20/2003 5:24:09 PM #
Hey,
I understand that GSM is a fairly new technology in the US. Over here in OZ, its been around since 1999.
GSM Coverage in the beginning really sucked (I cant say it any more succinctly).

However there is hope. The companies over here, particularly OPTUS finally do have an excellent GSM Coverage. It took some time, but its happened.

The range for a GSM base station (in my understanding) does not stretch anywhere near as far as the AMPS (older system)/CDMA antennas. This means that each company has to deploy a stack more antennas to have coverage up to scratch with CDMA.

Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but the old AMPS base stations covered something like 20kms (and I think CDMA is similar), whereas GSM base stations only cover a fraction of the area.
So this means that more base stations need to cover the same area.

Mark

RE: Finally!
elmo @ 2/20/2003 5:28:44 PM #
Can somebody explain why Palm is constantly just behind the 8-ball?

The T|W looks like a phone, but doesnt have a built-in mic. Where's the use in that?

Mark

Too Much!

UZI4U182 @ 2/19/2003 12:37:10 PM #
$549? Yeah right! I'd get a T|T and a T68i before I bought this thing.

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RE: Too Much!
bcombee @ 2/19/2003 1:58:22 PM #
It is $549 without service. I'd expect its price with service plan to be $150-200 less, more in the $399 range. That would make it pretty competitive versus the Treo 300 and Samsung IH330 on Sprint's network, both currently selling at $450-500 with activation, depending on the rebate deal.

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RE: Too Much!
TooMuch @ 2/19/2003 8:20:40 PM #
Speaking of "Too Much"...that's my screen name.

Now, $549 for a hi res wireless with fastest radio on market and longest battery...Nice deal.

RE: Too Much!
Elferoz @ 2/20/2003 12:50:03 AM #
Well The Treo 300 is an excellant Phone PDA now that palm is launching the palm T handspring will lower the price on the Treo 300. So if your going to buy one Call on 02/28/03 for a Really good Price. By the way I would pay 600 dollers For a PDA that has all these features Email, PDA Serfing the Web.

RE: Too Much!
Fly-By-Night @ 2/20/2003 7:30:34 AM #
PDA Serfing. Does that make your PDA a 'slave' to the master web server?

FBN

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RE: Too Much!
hoodoo @ 2/20/2003 9:33:58 AM #
LOL.

Accessories in the picture

Matthew @ 2/19/2003 12:38:57 PM #
Regarding the accessories in the picture - there appears to be a wireless headset for using the phone...is that a bluetooth headset?

Also, what is that thing that is plugged in to the top left side? The picture is too dark to make out what it is...

RE: Accessories in the picture
twizza @ 2/19/2003 12:59:39 PM #
the headset is apparently the BT Jabra headset. the piect that is connected to the palm is the BT dongle that allows the T|W to connect with the BT headset since BT (bluetooth) is not standard on the T|W.

RE: Accessories in the picture
scyber @ 2/19/2003 1:00:42 PM #
The headset is the jabra Bluetooth headset. The thing plugged into the Tungsten W is the Bluetooth adaptor for the Jabra headset. it allows you to use the headset with any phone with a 2.5mm jack.
RE: Accessories in the picture
Matthew @ 2/19/2003 1:52:57 PM #
Thanks. Damn, would be nice if the T|W had built-in bluetooth like the T|T so you wouldn't need the adapter...


RE: Accessories in the picture
TSC @ 2/19/2003 2:09:21 PM #
I would buy it, BUT, who wants to lug round an extra 'plug' accessory to use the phone!!! OK, go ahead and buy it and after the 'honeymoon' is over and you are back to the routines of everyday living, you too will wish the unit had a built-in mic!

I like Palm, but its hardware keeps missing the boat while its competition is sailing down the river winning the race.

TSC

RE: Accessories in the picture
Altema @ 2/19/2003 2:45:27 PM #
A cover with mic and speaker built-in will be available, but Palm was still deciding if it should be included or optional the last time I heard anything about it.

RE: Accessories in the picture
Be3G @ 2/19/2003 2:47:28 PM #
Btw, a company has designed a flip cover with an integrated mic/speaker. It just replaces the one you see in the article picture, and it just has a little lead that goes into the headphone jack.

Thomas

Check out the Palm Tungsten|T review at www.comp-talk.co.uk

RE: Accessories in the picture
PalmAddict @ 2/19/2003 8:09:31 PM #
There are pictures of the Speaker/Mic Flip cover at the LAPUG website (http://www.naxera.com.lapug/previous.html). The "T" in the middle of the case will answer the phone when you press on it.


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RE: Accessories in the picture
PalmAddict @ 2/19/2003 8:09:31 PM #
There are pictures of the Speaker/Mic Flip cover at the LAPUG website (http://www.naxera.com.lapug/previous.html). The "T" in the middle of the case will answer the phone when you press on it.


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RE: Accessories in the picture
TooMuch @ 2/19/2003 8:23:08 PM #
If you are a data centric user who travels then you know that all this talk about "smartphone" is nonsense. There is NO SUCH ANIMAL for travelers...nor will there be until we have a unified digital nationwide network. In fact, there is no bluetooth phone that is also multiband (gsm, gprs, tdma). We cannot expect Palm (or anyone else for that matter) to have a smartphone that does something that phones by themselves cannot even do.

RE: Accessories in the picture
hkklife @ 2/19/2003 9:41:52 PM #
AMEN!! On top of that, us Verizon users still need even a semi-elegant solution to connect our PDAs to our phones, since they seem absolutely deadset on *not* supporting Bluetooth or even Infrared.

To top matters off and make me a very unhappy camper, I finally ponied up the major $$$ necessary to buy an overpriced cable (Palm UC to Mot. v60) from the Supplynet. I had to have some sort of wireless connectivity when on the road and WAP on my cell phone wasn't cutting it. Of course, the cable barely makes contact with the UC on my T|T and the slightest nudge/breeze makes it fall out and drop the connection. Sigh....

Somehow I feel majorly ripped off...almost enough to dig the ol' m505 out again and keep using it. What's the point of adhering to a "Universal Connector" standard if it actual physical connection is _barely_ supported the latest and greatest pice of Palm hardware?



RE: Accessories in the picture
gfunkmagic @ 2/19/2003 11:36:38 PM #
quote:

"AMEN!! On top of that, us Verizon users still need even a semi-elegant solution to connect our PDAs to our phones, since they seem absolutely deadset on *not* supporting Bluetooth or even Infrared."

Well you can get a Kyocera 7135 for Verizon and that device supports both IR and BT via SDIO...

RE: Accessories in the picture
elmo @ 2/21/2003 7:03:40 AM #
RE: Accessories in the picture
TooMuch @ 2/19/2003 8:23:08 PM


There is NO SUCH ANIMAL for travelers...nor will there be until we have a unified digital nationwide network. In fact, there is no bluetooth phone that is also multiband (gsm, gprs, tdma).

Hmm... Here in Oz, the Nokia 6310i aint a smartphone, no colour screen, however its GSM, has gprs and uses 900/1800/1900Mhz Frequencies.

Thats probably as close as you're likely to get
Mark

Yo

Elferoz @ 2/19/2003 1:07:10 PM #
If you guys think this is Cool wait till you see the new phone by handspring. ohh I still think This Palm T is cool

RE: Yo
Guy508 @ 2/19/2003 1:53:05 PM #
Elferoz,
You mentioned a new phone from Handspring. Can you provide any details or time frame? I am just about to purchase the Treo 270 but may wait if something new and better comes along.
Thanks.

RE: Yo
Matthew @ 2/19/2003 6:20:19 PM #
That's "Yao"


RE: Yo
TooMuch @ 2/19/2003 8:28:40 PM #
Be sure to buy extra batteries for the Treo with a 3 hour battery (W has 10 hour battery).

RE: Yo
Elferoz @ 2/20/2003 12:38:46 AM #
Well All I can Say is that if you wait less than 2 months its going to be worth it handspring is going to get some really cool phones just like the treo 300 like sprint. For example with Verizon or Tmobile only. Oh its going to have S.D the rumor is that its supposed to blow away all the competitor in Screen Resolution once I get a picture I will post it. Ohh the reply on the battery no matter what kind of battery the units have I think FOr color, Email, Web Surfing and PDa its still going to eat up your battery those no other phone that will last you more than 4 hours espacially the Palm T.

RE: Yo
robrecht @ 2/20/2003 10:27:28 AM #
"no other phone ... will last you more than 4 hours espacially the Palm T."

This is why I would much rather have a bluetooth enabled phone and a bluetooth enabled PDA than a convergence device at this point. If replacable batteries start becoming available, I'll reconsider. But for now, if you use your cell phone a lot, the battery technology is just not there yet.


Thanks, Robrecht

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