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New Palm OS Treo Nitro Pictures

Treo Nitro Pictures - Click for LargerRumor: Images of what appear to be a new Palm OS Treo model have been posted on a Chinese PDA message board. This Treo could likely be the long rumored 4th new model due this year code-named Lowridder or Nitro. Previously leaked documents from Cingular point out this is a GSM smartphone that could be released in October.

The images come from a post on the Hi-PDA.com forum. The photos appear to be fairly legitimate and look like they were taken with a Treo camera judging my the picture quality.

The model shown shows the device runs some version of Palm OS Garnet and has 64MB of internal memory. It also has an antennaless design with an SD card slot positioned on the side. It has the same keyboard and button layout as the Treo 700p.

Treo Nitro Pictures - Click for Larger Treo Nitro Pictures - Click for Larger

Not much has been leaked about this device before, however analysts have been predicting Palm would be release a sub-$300 smartphone this year using a previous generation radio. This model does appear to be similar to the Windows Mobile "Hollywood Treo" which should debut in Europe and may also be released on Cingular in the US.

Treo Lowridder - Click for Larger

Thanks to Craigdts for the tip.

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Who makes this device?

EdH @ 8/4/2006 1:06:13 PM # Q
If it is the same company making the 700p that has put a temporary cap on production due to "unspecified software problems" I wouldn't look for a big October release.

I would also think Europe would be a huge target for this device. Anyone heard rumors of a European carrier picking this up?

RE: Who makes this device?
craigdts @ 8/4/2006 1:23:13 PM # Q
Ed,

Don't know what to make of it now, but I've seen several rumors of a September release of 2 new Palm devices on Cingular. (Lennon & Nitro - now we are back in line with Sagio's original predictions/insider info)

By the way . . . I think the "unspecified software problems" is old news. The 700p is out and I have not seen any supply constraint issues. The reason why I say it's old news - because the 700p was release some 6 months or so after the 700w. Now we are getting the explanation for the - it was inventec who bungled it or some unspecified softwware problems. I would think that Palm would have preferred to release the 700p early 2nd Qtr.

RE: Who makes this device?
treo007 @ 8/4/2006 9:41:22 PM # Q
Please keep in mind who it is that made the above post. Ed Hansberry, self appointed WM fanboy and attack dog for all things Palm OS.

He never misses an opportunity to douse any positive Palm OS news with some sort of FUD.


RE: Who makes this device?
EdH @ 8/5/2006 8:44:11 AM # Q
craigdts wrote:

By the way . . . I think the "unspecified software problems" is old news. The 700p is out and I have not seen any supply constraint issues. The reason why I say it's old news - because the 700p was release some 6 months or so after the 700w. Now we are getting the explanation for the - it was inventec who bungled it or some unspecified softwware problems."

No, at least not according to
http://www.digitimes.com/telecom/a20060803A9049.html which positions this as a current problem. From the article: "Inventec Appliances may not be able to start volume production of Palm's PDA phone, the Treo 700p, until September, due to related software problems, according to market sources. The original schedule was for volume production to start at the beginning of the second quarter."

So, there is at least another month or so of this limited production of the 700p, which is why I asked about this new device and who was making it.

treo007 wrote:

Please keep in mind who it is that made the above post. Ed Hansberry, self appointed WM fanboy and attack dog for all things Palm OS.

He never misses an opportunity to douse any positive Palm OS news with some sort of FUD."

I am impressed. Did you click on my name "EdH" and see my full name all by yourself without any help? What I should have done is picked a fanboy name, like, oh... I don't know, maybe treo007 so I could advertise my object of desire with every post I make.

As far as spreading FUD, let's look at that. F is for fear. Are you fearful of production delays in the PalmOS versions of the Treo? U is for uncertainty. Are you uncertian how to respond to my post with any sort of factual data and thus resort to an ad hominem? D is for doubt. Do you doubt your ability to maintain a train of thought in these threads so instead fixate on me?

http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/8539/#121513
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/5288/#77856
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/4562/#70488
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/4562/#70486

I'd fixate on something else too to take my mind off of the tragedy that unfolds before me in the world of PalmOS.

Meanwhile, no one has answered the original question, which suggests to me no one knows the answer - or they don't want to know the answer.



RE: Who makes this device?
treo007 @ 8/5/2006 11:37:08 AM # Q
Whatever Ed, I could take the time to go through your reply post.

Why both theough when we all know who you are and what you represent. It's not like you ever done a very good job disguising it.

You've made yourself a joke a long time ago.

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Look's naked without the stub

cervezas @ 8/4/2006 1:12:45 PM # Q
Bring back the antenna, Palm! Why are you removing it when it was one of the Treo's most important features?! What will I grab onto when I need to whip it out of its case? What will I use to push the elevator button when I've got a briefcase in one hand and the Treo in the other? What does an antenna stub cost? 25 cents?! Shame on you for leaving it out, Palm!

;-)


David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Look's naked without the stub
joad @ 8/4/2006 7:20:19 PM # Q
Uh-oh.. now it's even closer to a doorstop right out of the box!

RE: Look's naked without the stub
palmdoc88 @ 8/5/2006 12:38:03 AM # Q
We (those of use outside the US of A) don't need the external antenna to tell us which way to hold the Treo :P

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Beersy trapped in a man's body?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/5/2006 4:34:53 PM # Q
What will I grab onto when I need to whip it out


Mike Cane?

Geeko?

Does your wife know about your "confusion", Beersy?

TVoR


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More pics (of back) and palm os

craigdts @ 8/4/2006 1:43:58 PM # Q
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I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor

craigdts @ 8/4/2006 1:48:06 PM # Q
This will be palm's first low end treo. I'd expect them to throw in a different radio and spit out a CDMA version also. We have heard rumors that the 650 is discontinued - palm can now make the Nitro cheaper than the 650 with new parts - with this they are targeting the mass consumer market.
RE: I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor
SeldomVisitor @ 8/4/2006 1:56:05 PM # Q
Why in the world do you think this is "low end"?

RE: I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor
craigdts @ 8/4/2006 1:58:43 PM # Q
reports are the camera is .3 mp and smaller battery. looks to be the consumer model. Plus it will be will not be 3g.
Thats why I also think a similar model will be out for CDMA.
RE: I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor
hkklife @ 8/4/2006 2:21:08 PM # Q
It'd be foolish for Palm to try and make this a lower-end CDMA model. With just a VGA camera & smaller capacity battery differentiating it from the 700P, I don't see nearly enough disctinction between the two models.

Palm would be FAR better suited to taking this new casing, shoehorning the 700P innards (inc. camera & battery) into it and calling it a 750P. That'd let them squeeze another year out of Verizon & Sprint with almost zero R&D spending and stick with a higher margin upmarket device. Besides, the CDMA carriers want to champion EVDO-capable devices since it lets them sell their pricey data & content packages.

Verizon is trying (somewhat) to break out of their customary mold of phones sporting external antennae. Look at the RAZR, the upcoming CDMA SLVR, the new LG Chocolate and the Q for examples of this.


Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor
AdamaDBrown @ 8/4/2006 3:18:10 PM # Q
I doubt it. They already have the 700p, and all evidence indicates that the specs aren't going to be significantly different for the GSM Treos later this year. I wouldn't expect this to be low end, just the GSM version of the 700p.

RE: I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor
lolongan @ 8/4/2006 5:14:06 PM # Q
So, does this mean that if you want to have 3G/UMTS and Wifi, you have no other choice than to switch to WM (with the Lennon) ?
RE: I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor
AdamaDBrown @ 8/4/2006 7:02:45 PM # Q
Maybe, maybe not. First, I'm as yet not convinced that the Lennon really will have WiFi. Only one document indicated it would, and subsequent Vodafone docs suggested it wouldn't.

As for UMTS--bearing in mind that I'm not an expert--I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Palm will hack together some kind of solution that allows for UMTS on POS, even if they have to break the standard and suspend data while on a voice call. Maybe they won't, I don't know. But at this point I probably wouldn't assume one way or another.

RE: I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor
hkklife @ 8/4/2006 7:26:11 PM # Q
UMTS AND wi-fi under poor ol' FrankenGarnet is nigh impossible.

I personally am not counting on either anytime soon.

I think the "Nitro" will end up being nearly identical to the 700P in every way save for the lack of EVDO-comparable speeds (just EDGE) and the sleeker housing.

What a typical quandry for the POS faithful:

Go with the GSM 700P and get global coverage and a nicer FF but with reduced transmission speeds?

OR

Go with a CDMA 700P and get faster speeds but with a bulky, ungainly FF that's limited to North America?

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor
Surur @ 8/4/2006 7:35:15 PM # Q

VGA in 2006 is decidedly low-end.

This is the low-end-rider.

Surur

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RE: I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor
PadOPaper @ 8/5/2006 4:36:35 PM # Q
>> VGA in 2006 is decidedly low-end.

Um, vga is 320x240. We're talking about square screened Palm OS 320x320 Treos!?

RE: I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor
AdamaDBrown @ 8/5/2006 7:42:58 PM # Q
320 x 240 is QVGA. VGA is 640 x 480.

RE: I bet this will be released in a GSM and CDMA flavor
pascanu @ 8/6/2006 4:43:05 AM # Q
>> VGA in 2006 is decidedly low-end.

> Um, vga is 320x240. We're talking about square screened Palm OS 320x320 Treos!?

I think he was talking about the camera...

Handspring Visor -> m505 -> Zire71 -> Zire72 -> Treo650

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Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?

Foo Fighter @ 8/4/2006 1:45:23 PM # Q
I thought the GSM model was supposed to be thinner than the current 700 model? The antenna is gone as expected, but these images don't depict a skinnier Treo. Not that I can make out anyway.

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RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
hkklife @ 8/4/2006 2:26:40 PM # Q
It's probably very, very slightly thinner. Just enough for Palm to tout it as a product feature.

Quite honestly, though, it's amazing how the tapered corners on the 700 series makes for a better feel in hand over the 650/600.

Does the stylus look slightly different as well to you as well?
It looks more squared off and a bit thicker in the silo.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
Foo Fighter @ 8/4/2006 2:37:17 PM # Q
Yes, that's definitely a new stylus design, at least the top of it. It also appears to have been relocated more towards the back rather than the corner.

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RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
cervezas @ 8/4/2006 3:14:53 PM # Q
I thought the GSM model was supposed to be thinner than the current 700 model?

It was 3 or 4 months ago, but as I heard it (from a little bird) the Treo with the significantly slimmer form factor and price was postponed until 2007. It looks like this one took its place in the 2006 line-up. But these things change so I wouldn't make too much of this.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
AdamaDBrown @ 8/4/2006 3:20:04 PM # Q
The expectations of slimness were based primarily on the Sagio report, which is a very dubious source. The device in the photos does appear a little thinner, particularly in the keyboard area which now seems to be beveled down, but otherwise not a big difference.

RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
neuron @ 8/4/2006 3:27:27 PM # Q
Without a case, treo is not thick at all, comparing with 90% smartphones out there. The problem is treo is too sleek. Most users have to use a case to make sure it can be hold firmly, which make this device very thick.

Hope Palm can make the surface more comfortable to hold.

RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
cervezas @ 8/4/2006 4:17:21 PM # Q
The Sagio report never said anything about there being a slimmer Treo and this doesn't change from your repetition to the contrary. Sagio quoted a Morgan Stanley analyst in Asia who said that Hollywood would be "fancier," aimed at Europe, and missing the beloved antenna stub. It was Engadget that speculated that this meant "a very thin 3G device." And thus was born another baseless rumor, reinforced by the me-too media.

Sagio's report actually has been pretty dead-on in describing the Treos that have been released so far this year. They were just off on the release dates.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
hkklife @ 8/4/2006 5:15:54 PM # Q
Neuron is right. I've always said that while it'd be nice to see a thinner Treo, what would really be great would be a rubberized, non-peeling soft-touch finish that makes it easier to hold & more secure.

Heck, I even asked Seidio if they were going to release a replacement battery door cover with the same stuff on it as the Black Tie 650!

The original Handspring Visor design was on the right track with those ridges on the side of the unit. Where the lighter colored grey trim is on the sides of the Treo 700 would be an ideal place for something rubberized or with grooves.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
AdamaDBrown @ 8/4/2006 7:08:15 PM # Q
The Sagio report never said anything about there being a slimmer Treo

Did I say they did? No. But the expectation did come from the Sagio report, which hinted around at a Q-like device without saying anything that they could be held to later.

Sagio quoted a Morgan Stanley analyst in Asia who said that Hollywood would be "fancier," aimed at Europe, and missing the beloved antenna stub.

Actually, they cited an anonymous MS analyst as saying that production would be 200,000 units per month. (Which is as many for one model as all current Treos sell put together--a bit high.) They did not attribute to this ghost the report about the "fancier," "more stylish" Treo.

It was Engadget that speculated that this meant "a very thin 3G device." And thus was born another baseless rumor, reinforced by the me-too media.

I'll agree that it was baseless.

Sagio's report actually has been pretty dead-on in describing the Treos that have been released so far this year. They were just off on the release dates.

Have you actually read that report? If not, you should. It's so ridiculously sycophantic, I doubt you'd get through it without laughing. Think equal parts stock pumping, bad writing, and vague promises. The only thing that they got right before it was available from other sources was the idea of four Treos--which, in hindsight, could have been simply a shrewd or lucky guess. The Treo 700w and 700p were already reasonably common knowledge at the time of the first report. The European push was tipped by Palm setting up a European R&D center last year. Also, they predicted for Palm to hit the $50-$55 per share range. It's currently $14.35.

Not to mention, they manage to cite two different release dates for the "Hollywood," eight weeks apart, in the same report.

RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
joad @ 8/4/2006 7:24:17 PM # Q
As much as I'd appreciate having out-of-the-box grippiness on Treos, after seeing what a mess that rubberized stuff made of the Zire 72's I'm not sure I'd want it all over my $700.00 phone.

For now, Egrips work just fine, and I can replace them every 6 months or so when they start to wear down or peel off. Knowing Palm, they'd probably reject warranty service if the rubber started peeling off, just as they refuse to acknowledge keyboard problems or screws falling out as anything but "user caused" under their "warranty."

RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
hkklife @ 8/4/2006 7:30:06 PM # Q
Problem is that Egrips are almost TOO grippy, depending on what kind of pants/pockets you are carrying your device in.

Also I've found them to lose adhesiveness after less than 6 months...2 months is about all I've been able to get out of 'em.

Has anyone tried the Treo 700-specific E-Grips? I'm really tempted to order some and give them a shot (I had been using the generic ones I bought at CompUSA).

That's another reason I advocated the rubberized battery door-it's purely optional and easily replacable (Supposedly the 650 BT Edition is better quality than the old Zire 72's paint was).

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

Nitro's a honky!
freakout @ 8/4/2006 8:31:01 PM # Q
Yuck. I'm getting really sick of the grey, Palm. It's a bland colour suited for bland devices and bland individuals. The Lennon is black from the pictures we've seen, why not this one too?

If they make the WM one black and the Nitro grey, I'll freak. Maybe I should send them some talcum powder and a crazy hate-filled letter in the mail?

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
EdH @ 8/5/2006 10:11:07 AM # Q
freakout wrote:

Maybe I should send them some talcum powder and a crazy hate-filled letter in the mail?

Just that comment may get you a visit from the FBI. Seriously.


RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
ozz @ 8/5/2006 11:33:14 AM # Q
Doesn't the photo look suspiciously like a Blackberry?
RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
freakout @ 8/5/2006 7:56:33 PM # Q
Just that comment may get you a visit from the FBI. Seriously.

The beauty of being an Australian, my friend. They haven't wiretapped our phone companies here.

Yet.

I hope.

Hmmmm.....

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

RE: Did this Treo visit Jenny Craig?
SeldomVisitor @ 8/5/2006 8:58:40 PM # Q
> The beauty of being an Australian, my friend. They haven't
> wiretapped our phone companies here.

Ahem...

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WOW! This person is going to get caught!!

Jamerican @ 8/4/2006 7:46:49 PM # Q
Did anyone care to point out that there is a code on the device that clearly visible. That person is going to get in a lot of trouble. Really dumb.

http://www.hi-pda.com/forum/attachment.php?aid=339848&noupdate=yes

JAmerican

The leak was staged. Film at 11.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/4/2006 8:25:34 PM # Q
That person is going to get in a lot of trouble.


Don't be naive. This "leak" was staged by Palm. Unfortunately this phone (should be dubbed the Treo 500) is utterly underwhelming and will be greeted with a lot of yawns. (Compare this to the Nokia E61, etc.) I believe this retooling (AGAIN!) of the Handspring Treo 600 shows Palm is having significant problems producing a truly new smartphone. Blame OS headaches, conservative corporate strategy and missteps by Palm's new contract manufacturer. I wonder if Palm will ever realize that a brick without an antenna is STILL A BRICK.

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I actually just ordered a Treo 700p to use as a broadband modem (ironically I'll continue to use my Samsung i500 as my phone) after seeing the sweet deals Sprint is running through its SERO (Sprint Employee Referral Offer)

http://sprint.p.delivery.net/m/p/sprint/epc/epclanding.asp

Unlimited EVDO, 500 anytime minutes, free roaming, free callls to other Sprint phones, included long distance, free nights + weekends = $30/month

Unlimited EVDO, 1250 anytime minutes, free roaming, free callls to other Sprint phones, included long distance, free nights + weekends = $50/month

Unlimited EVDO, 2500 anytime minutes, free roaming, free callls to other Sprint phones, included long distance, free nights + weekends = $100/month

Treo 700p costs $400 with a 2 year agreement.

- Do a web search for "Sprint SERO" for more details and how to sign up. Several people are getting these rates by just calling Sprint and asking for one of the above SERO plans. The plans supposedly are only for new customers, but you can get a SERO plan added to an existing account if you ask for (demand?) it. It was a bit of a pain dealing with one clueless Sprint employee after another (their motto is "If you don't know, lie!"), but I ended up getting the cheapest plan with EVDO + phone service for less than $20/month. Not too shabby.

TVoR


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