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Foleo Product Announcement Strategy Analysis

The Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania has posted an interesting marketing analysis about technology product announcement strategy. The article comments on three recent announcements from Apple, Microsoft and Palm. The author covers the merits and marketing factors behind pre-announcing products versus keeping quiet and includes quotes from a number of Wharton professors. Of course it also talks about the iPhone and also includes some opinion on the reasons for the "tepid" reception for the Palm Foleo from industry analysts.

Thanks to Robert Hurdman for the tip.

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Apple froze the smartphone market.

VampireLestat @ 6/16/2007 12:00:01 AM # Q
Apple announced the iPhone in Jan and froze the market.

Considering the recent 25% investment in Palm and the current firings, I would not be surprised if the latter 2 events are a result of a greater than expected sudden collapse of Treo sales that we have yet to learn about.

I ask around at work and practically everyone is considering an iPhone. Is it possible that Palm is now getting sales numbers for the last few months and they are now realizing that their 1 trick Pony Treo (and WM) and their relentless arrogant backstabbing/bashing of traditional Palm OS handheld consumers is about to become their demise?

An evil side of me wants Palm to be punished and go bankrupt, but the nicer side of me simply wants them to get back to work and start making multiple new product lines included PDAs, advanced multimedia devices (with and without cellular), and yes, continue to make Treos.

RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
VampireLestat @ 6/16/2007 12:08:03 AM # Q
Btw, does anyone know if its the people in the handheld, Palm OS/WM and/or Foleo departments who were fired? Can't be Treo people of course because they are like little protected poodles.

RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
SeldomVisitor @ 6/16/2007 7:04:28 AM # Q
Clarification not accepted - go ahead and be politically incorrect.

RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
joad @ 6/16/2007 12:17:57 PM # Q
VampireLestat: If the entirety of your complaints about Mr. Colligan's performance at Palm are so few that you have to include stereotypical comments about who or what he may sleep with, I would have to assume that you have little problem with his performance at Palm.

I have issues with what Palm has done over the past few years - but I could give a poop about what Colligan or anyone else does on their free time. It's about what they do when they're WORKING that's been the problem.

RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
SeldomVisitor @ 6/16/2007 12:45:51 PM # Q
> Ryan...

Ah - Mr. Lyons confirmed as the Obsessed Fan so obsessed he took on my Yahoo ID here.

But we knew that already.

Giggle.

RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
Admin @ 6/16/2007 1:09:32 PM # Q
I removed a few comments here. For the record, I don't think that kind of speculation is appropriate or relevant to this article.
RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
Gekko @ 6/16/2007 1:36:55 PM # Q

oh no, God forbid we joke about any of the "protected classes"!!!

but those evil white heterosexual men are all fair game.

you've got to love liberal hypocrisy and san francisco values!!!



RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
LiveFaith @ 6/16/2007 1:39:30 PM # Q
** Can't be Treo people of course because they are like little protected poodles. **

My gosh Vampy. They are protected because of all the cutting edge products the have pushed out for the last 4 years. Gotta stick with the innovators baby!!! Woof-woof

Pat Horne

RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
Admin @ 6/16/2007 1:39:32 PM # Q
I don't care who or what you want to 'joke' about if you want to call it that in the forums, but it's really inappropriate in an news article discussion about marketing.
RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
EdH @ 6/16/2007 3:10:12 PM # Q
Vampire Lestat said:
An evil side of me wants Palm to be punished and go bankrupt, but the nicer side of me simply wants them to get back to work and start making multiple new product lines included PDAs, advanced multimedia devices (with and without cellular), and yes, continue to make Treos.

The nicer side is just giving them directions on how to go bankrupt, so what you have essentially said is, both your evil and good sides wants them to go under.

Get into 2005 already. If standalone PDAs had a market, Palm, HP, Casio or any number of other device makers from yesteryear would be doing it. There is no market. It is about the cell phone.

RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
VampireLestat @ 6/16/2007 7:15:08 PM # Q
Palm hasnt released a new PDA in years, so how can you conclude there is no market?
Cells are very popular, and will continue to be (even though I expect sales to plateuu eventually), but that doesnt mean PDAs dont have a healthy profitable future.

And actually we are talking about the same thing really, more or less. I am all in favor of cellular radios in pdas. My problem with the Treo is screen real-estate and dependence on carriers.

I think Palm is in for one helluva rough debacle once the iPhone is released. The iPhone merges the Treo and PDA worlds together intelligently. It is a powerful full screen multitasking mobile computing device which so happens to offer perfect telephony as well.

Remember the days when we were all screaming for a 320x480 PDA with a virtual graffiti area? Or the days when we wanted the T3 to become a solid 320x480 device? Well my quarrel with the Treo is the same. The Treo is a pda with cellular. Just not designed the way I like it.

The iPhone TV ads are extremely appealing to me. I like many millions of others I am sure are seriously considering the iPhone as the first serious mobile computing device with telephony.

RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
joad @ 6/18/2007 3:13:04 AM # Q
>>VampireLestat @ 6/16/2007 7:04:55 PM #
>>To joad,
Don't go all mental on me. Take a deep breath before you go off on your pre-programmed rant. I didnt write anything offensive, and when I wrote "poodles with pink ribbons" I knew I had to type an explanation because people like you have a mental block then go ballistic like a pitbul. Which explains why people like Gekko are unfortunately furious at the "liberal left".

Ok, whatever.

Your (original unedited) post clearly drifted into what appeared to be discussing the guy's sex life. Whether you believe you "didnt write anything offensive" is for you to decide, I don't really care. The fact you said you wanted to go back and edit it might give you a clue about your own feelings. Attempting to blame others for that desire is another clue.

Your ridiculous personal attack against *ME* (copied above) was unnecessary. If it scared you *that* much that I pointed out that your off-topic comments about his personal life don't seem to bolster your case against Palm, I'm deeply sorry.

A lot of your perspectives in this thread are very thought provoking, but I'm really not interested in reading your amateur psychological profiles of me or anyone else in these forums.

RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
Rhauer @ 6/18/2007 3:14:29 AM # Q
OK - PDA's don't have a market. How about a 60g media player with Palm software. Awesome screen, lots of software. Is there a market for that?.



PalmOS media player
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/18/2007 10:43:54 AM # Q
OK - PDA's don't have a market. How about a 60g media player with Palm software. Awesome screen, lots of software. Is there a market for that?.

Sony went down that road when it designed its brilliant OLED-screened VZ90. With both CompactFlash and Memory Stick slots, it works well as a media player. Unfortunately, when the device came out (Japan-only) it was hideously expensive and Sony had already decided to pull out of the market. There could've been a great market for such a device, but with the demise of Tapwave and Sony, don't hold your breath.

If you're looking for a solid, inexpensive PalmOS media player, get a Tapwave Zodiac 2 (dual SD slots!) and an old copy of TCPMP (freeware media player). With its nice, big screen, its ATI video chip and 128 MD of RealRAM™, the Zodiac 2 is probably the best cheap media player you can get. Last year the company responsible for selling off Tapwave's inventory after the bankruptcy was selling new units for only $125. They started with several hundred units and the last time I checked, they still had a couple hundred left.

TVoR

RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
Rhauer @ 6/18/2007 12:45:54 PM # Q
I have that on my TX. It is time for more from Palm. I don't want one device and I need something new to pair with my phone.

RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
hkklife @ 6/18/2007 3:35:18 PM # Q
Palm just keep missing the boat. How hard could it be to stick 4gb of flash into the TX and then give it a fullsize SDHC slot that supports another 8gb? Bundle it with a reskinned/revamped version of CorePlayer and/or PTunes deluxe and push it as a cheapie DIY video/media/web browser.

The problem with Palm was that (around the time of the T|T to T|T3) they should have repositioned the entire PDA line as mp3-playin', video viewin' devices. But Palm bungled the audio output on the original T|Ts and Zire 71 and then crippled the T|C with a mono headphone jack. Then they got everything right on the T3 other than the slider and the battery life. Now you have tons of PMPs flooding the market that have (at best) an FM tuner and a calendar or phone book app in addition to their multimedia functions. Palm has been missing the boat for ~5 years now in regards to multimedia.

A Zodiac 2, nice as it is, is a tad bit, lacking internal wi-fi and has SD slots hobbled with a maximum capacity of 2gb each. A TX with a 4gb SD card is nearly as good as an mp3/video player while having superior pocketability and PIM functions.

Palm should have pushed the Zire 31 and HARD as an mp3 player that did "other stuff". The Z22 should have an SD slot & headphone jack. ALL Treos should have A2DP or at least a 3.5mm headphone jack. PalmDesktop should have been seriously overhauled 4 years ago with built-in media functionality and online integration.



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RE: Apple froze the smartphone market.
Gekko @ 6/18/2007 5:57:05 PM # Q

let's not forget that a big reason for the ipod's success has been due to:

1. ipod's intuitive, best of breed GUI for media playing.
2. itunes and its revolutionizing of the distribution of music.
3. Apple's smart marketing.

the leadership at palm was not smart enough to create any of the above.



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and ...

sgiga @ 6/16/2007 4:00:07 AM # Q
What a strange article. A whole page with personal opinions about marketing with a conclusion that marketing doesn't really matter afterall.

I just do not get the iPhone hype. The more I look at it, the more certain I am that it will be a big flop. A phone with touch screen only is simply a very poor combination, nice gadget, but a useless phone. How can such a phone possibly replace a traditional smart phone with some kind of proper keyboard? How are anyone going to use the iPhone for emailing, SMS'ing? Even dialing a simple phone number requires two hands and constant attention Maybe together with a Foleo kind of device it will be usable sometime in the future, but two separate devices at 500$ each just to write e-mail?

My T3 and (dumb)phone is getting old. Still very functional except the phone functionality of the T3 software which is getting old. My new device will be this one, the SE P1:

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=gb&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pip1&zone=pp&pid=10864

Now, THAT is a phone ...

RE: and ...
heavyduty @ 6/16/2007 6:30:37 AM # Q
Before you plunge into UIQ you should take a look at this wish list:

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/A_Plea_to_Developers__10_UIQ_3_Applications_Wishlist.php

#1 makes UIQ a no-go for me.

Palm Vx (a classic) -> Palm 505 (*yawn*) -> Dell Axim (slooow...) -> Palm TE (great) -> Qtek 9090 (great idea, lousy platform) -> Nokia 6630 (a toy) -> iMate SP3i (not bad) -> Nokia 9300 (can't sync notes!!) -> Treo 650 (awesome) -> hw6915 (almost perfect)

RE: and ...
Radu Coc @ 6/16/2007 2:53:46 PM # Q
Personally I think a bigger screen with the keys in the screen (and not hardware buttons) is WAY MUCH BETTER than a phone with hard buttons. That is why iPhone has maked waves into the smartphone market. Useful and configurable soft interface versus old hardkey buttons interface. And yes, a soft interface is uzable. Im using my Zire72 with the finger touches and is working very well.

RE: and ...
LiveFaith @ 6/16/2007 6:08:37 PM # Q
Besides utter shock, disbelief and bewilderment, I wonder what the reception around here would be if the "iPhone" were the "next big thing" proposed by Hawkins. HVGA pushed to the edges etc.

Hehe. Servers would probably be shut down in overload.

Pat Horne

RE: and ...
VampireLestat @ 6/16/2007 7:04:55 PM # Q
I think Palm will copy the iPhone; unless it flops which I doubt.

To joad,
Don't go all mental on me. Take a deep breath before you go off on your pre-programmed rant. I didnt write anything offensive, and when I wrote "poodles with pink ribbons" I knew I had to type an explanation because people like you have a mental block then go ballistic like a pitbul. Which explains why people like Gekko are unfortunately furious at the "liberal left".
I actually appreciate Ryan editing my post because I had no way to remove it and I couldnt be bothered emailing him. Then again, now with my explanation gone and your post I now appear as being homophobic; WHICH I AM NOT!

I am not commenting on this issue anymore. I wanted to clarify for fear if being badly perceived.

RE: and ...
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/16/2007 8:13:10 PM # Q
Besides utter shock, disbelief and bewilderment, I wonder what the reception around here would be if the "iPhone" were the "next big thing" proposed by Hawkins. HVGA pushed to the edges etc.

Hehe. Servers would probably be shut down in overload.

Pat Horne

Pat, you proposed a model around THREE years ago (the Treo 800g) that would in essence have been Palm's version of the iPhone. Palm could easily have released such a model 2 1/2 years before the iPhone's expected released date. Had Palm released the Treo 800g, the company would still be the smartphone design leader today, rather than a rapidly-fading has-been.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/7073/#96697

Can you upload the Treo 800g photos again?


TVoR

RE: and ...
VampireLestat @ 6/16/2007 8:17:33 PM # Q
TVoR,

iPhone spec says: "Input method Multi-touch"

What is multi-touch? Did that even exist 3 years ago? Perhaps Palm could not have done the iPhone 3 years ago.

RE: and ...
VampireLestat @ 6/16/2007 8:19:31 PM # Q
Oh my God... look at this http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/

* staring in quiet awe, in fear for Palm *

FLASH vs. FUNCTION. iPhone vs. Treo. Apple vs. Palm. Who'll win?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/16/2007 8:44:38 PM # Q
TVoR,

iPhone spec says: "Input method Multi-touch"

What is multi-touch? Did that even exist 3 years ago? Perhaps Palm could not have done the iPhone 3 years ago.


Multi-touch is nothing more than a gimmick. It's no big deal to simply tap an area of a screen once, but many iPhone users are quickly going to realize the folly of slip-sliding their greasy fingers all over their (initially)-pretty iPhone screens every time they want to do something. The Treo's D-pad is a much more intelligent design and a small D-pad could easily have been added to a 320 x 480 keyboardless Treo. Also, a full-screen Treo could easily have been shipped with a CLIE-style jog dial in order to facilitate faster navigation.

If you've ever used a laptop that has an IBM TrackPoint-like pointing stick and compared it to a typical laptop's touchpad, you'll understand why nudging physical buttons make more sense than moving your fingers around on a screen/pad. Palm's decision to include a pointing stick on the FOOLeo suggests that their designers are not quite completely brain-dead. Yet.

TVoR


RE: and ...
VampireLestat @ 6/16/2007 9:05:32 PM # Q
Multi-touch =
a) flick (like on a laptop) aka slide gently.
b) tap (like on a laptop): Uses eletro-detection.
c) pinch (I presume like on Palms, based on pressure)

http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/sensors.html
Sensors =
a) IR proximity detector which shuts down the screen when its close to your ear.
b) Ambient light detector (adjusts screen auto)
b) accelerometer, auto landscape/portrait when rotating iphone.

wow

Is Palm now allowed to steal all those ideas? or are there patents?

RE: and ...
VampireLestat @ 6/16/2007 9:10:01 PM # Q
hmm... but notice there is no mention of PIM.
If there is no PIM, that might stop me from buying.
Will this thing run OS X applications?
Maybe Apple wants 3rd party devs to program a PIM suite.

iPhone is pure HYPE. Don't belive the hype
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/16/2007 9:33:24 PM # Q
iPhone is a CLOSED platform - you won't be able to install 3rd party apps on your $500 "smartphone". Not too smart.

Of course, for the people that the iPhone will appeal to, this isn't too much of a negative, since the device will be shipping with most of the applications that they would ever want. (Or at least most of the applications that His Steveness TELLS THEM that they would ever want...)

RE: and ...
twrock @ 6/16/2007 10:03:43 PM # Q
Maybe Apple wants 3rd party devs to program a PIM suite.

Only if that suite runs within the limitations of their Safari browser. But not to worry, Steve knows what you "really" want.

http://tinyurl.com/yuwwtm
http://www.pikesoft.com/blog/index.php?itemid=190


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RE: and ...
twrock @ 6/16/2007 10:07:40 PM # Q
(Oops, should have refreshed my browser before posting. Yeah, what he said.)


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freakout @ 6/16/2007 10:17:43 PM # Q
TVoR:
It's no big deal to simply tap an area of a screen once, but many iPhone users are quickly going to realize the folly of slip-sliding their greasy fingers all over their (initially)-pretty iPhone screens every time they want to do something

Yep. His Steveness can denigrate the stylus all he likes, but there are plenty of times when I'd rather use that than push my grubby fingers all over the screen. On a hot day, my Treo's screen can gets very tacky very fast. iPhone is going to exacerbate this problem. And people better hope that screen is more scratch-resistant than the iPod...

Vamp:
a) IR proximity detector which shuts down the screen when its close to your ear.

Nothing more than a (admittedly cool) gimmick. The only reason you'd need it would be if you were a stupid enough software designer to put touchscreen buttons at the top of the screen where your ear will mash them. Waste of power to have an IR sensor running all the time. (some will argue that it saves power by shutting the screen down, but since nearly every other phone on the planet already does that automatically after about 30 seconds or so, I'm not really seeing the savings.)

b) Ambient light detector (adjusts screen auto)

Again it's cool, but doesn't really add much - unless your device has such a small, puny battery that you need to save every spare erg of power...

b) accelerometer, auto landscape/portrait when rotating iphone.

Now that is useful. And cool.

The coolest things about the iPhone are its excellent-looking browser, the landscape screen and the wi-fi. All easily matched by competitors. The rest is just hype. Don't be fooled! It's not the Holy Grail of Phones. Not by a long shot.

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

RE: and ...
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/16/2007 10:38:46 PM # Q
>>>b) accelerometer, auto landscape/portrait when rotating iphone.

Now that is useful. And cool.

It's also in my (year old) Canon SD700 digital camera. And I ended up turning off the feature because it got annoying - sometimes I want to decide I'm going to view things. The auto switching became intrusive.

TVoR

RE: and ...
LiveFaith @ 6/17/2007 12:43:26 AM # Q
Tim,

Good analysis IMO. The cool factor is through the roof, but the reality is going to send a lot of Palm / HTC / SS / Sony / Moto switchers back home in a hurry. If all I want to do in the priority that I want to do it is hit squarely by this phone in OEM form, then it's outta this world. Otherwise, you had better stick to real (relatively mundane) Treo, HTC & Nokia etc smartfones.

List list of can't dos is very long on the iPhone. I hope that doesn't give Palm anymore bad ideas.

BTW, accelerometer was standard on my Kodak DC290 digicam in 1999. Loved that feature and it's nice to see Apple include it. Surely they'll allow turning it off tho. I lay in bed on my side often and read Scripture, web, docs, and or e-mail with my Treo in portrait. The iPhone would go L/S when I may not want it too.

Pat Horne

RE: and ...
LiveFaith @ 6/17/2007 1:31:10 AM # Q
VR,
Heres the 800g. But it should be noted that the Treo 480v was designed first alongside the Treo 600. It was the forerunner of the 800g. Palm bought both designs and a few others from me and patented them. That way they made sure that nobody else could produce them, which helps their potential as a future takeover target. Ingenious.

Treo 480v ...
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa125/livefaith/treo480v.jpg

Treo 800g ...
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa125/livefaith/treo800g.jpg


Ahhh, both forerunners of the iPhone. So close, yet so far away. :-

Pat Horne

RE: and ...
freakout @ 6/17/2007 6:37:20 PM # Q
TVoR
It's also in my (year old) Canon SD700 digital camera. And I ended up turning off the feature because it got annoying - sometimes I want to decide I'm going to view things. The auto switching became intrusive.

Sounds about right. But this is an Apple product, and like all Apple products It Knows Better Than You Do™. So don't worry, iPhone's screen switcher will be perfect. Don't question it. Go with the flow, baby. ;)

LiveFaith:
BTW, accelerometer was standard on my Kodak DC290 digicam in 1999. Loved that feature and it's nice to see Apple include it. Surely they'll allow turning it off tho. I lay in bed on my side often and read Scripture, web, docs, and or e-mail with my Treo in portrait. The iPhone would go L/S when I may not want it too

An amusing thought struck me as I was reading this. I had visions of iPhone users accidentally covering the IR sensor with dirt, grime or their fingers, frantically tapping at the screen, wondering why it wouldn't respond, getting more and more frustrated until they start yelling. To quote Seldom: Giggle.

It's unlikely to be so poorly engineered, of course, but the old maxim always holds: the more you put in it, the more that can go wrong with it.

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

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Have Palm's Windows™ of opportunity closed?

The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/16/2007 9:23:44 PM # Q
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/8140/#113847


Palm PC? Too late, Bubba.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 10/13/2005 8:44:48 PM #

Yeah, based on the statements of Hawkins it'll most likely be a "PC in your pocket" type thing not a true PDA like we have known. If they wait for Linux/POS then they would potentially have a PDA that runs Linux at the core with some sort of a PalmOS interface, then you dock it at your desktop to a Monitor/Keyboard and it runs a desktop WindowManager (like KDE, WindowMaker, etc) on the same Linux Core. Same data, same apps, just a better presenatation for the Desktop. THAT's what a "LifeDrive" should be. One machine, both a PDA and a Desktop at the same time.

And while we're at it, aren't electronics supposed to get smaller as time goes on? Why are Palm PDA's GROWING in size each year? Geez, the next thing from Palm might end up being the same size as the Newton (OMP that is, they have a few more cycles to grow to the 2100)

I've been arguing that Palm neededto explore the possibilities of making a Palmtop™ (a micro laptop). Palm execs felt otherwise and without a true multitasking OS, such a device would face the same limitations that users of the CLIE UX50 (the best Palmtop™ ever sold) users struggle with daily.

Only problem is that - as the Sony U series is showing - Real Windows™ in a tiny package is close to being perfected. I expect most people will prefer to work with Real Windows™ apps rather than using ones that can just sync with/have partial compatibility with Real Windows™. Had Palm been able to release PalmLinux in 2003 and sell the Palmtop™ idea to businesses as a way to cut down on support costs for employees that don't REALLY need to be given Real Windows™ laptops. In the past 2 years, Palm could have entrenched itself as a supplier of inexpensive, stable, easy-to-support laptop replacements. Now we're almost in 2006. The "Windows™" of opportunity are closed.

Take a look at this thread:

http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7541#103141

And here's a funny blast from the past:

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=1160

TVoR

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.


Beersy showed Palm working too slowly to get product out in time:
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/16/2007 9:47:20 PM # Q
Another post from 2005 suggesting how long the FOOLeo has been in development"

http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/8140/#113709


Palm's extracurricular Linux activities
cervezas @ 10/12/2005 11:47:34 AM #

Nothing definite, of course...

First, recall that we heard almost a year ago that Palm was working on Linux stuff from the same people who correctly stated they were working with Windows Mobile. This was even before PalmSource announced their Linux plans, in fact.

Fast forward to today: we've got a member of this community who appears to be within PSI talking about a Linux clamshell device they are aware of being developed within Palm. And we've got Palm showing up as a customer on Wind River's website (which doesn't mean they are customer for Wind River's consumer Linux platform, but it could). And we've got LinuxDevices.com saying they've been told that Palm is developing devices on a Wind River Linux OS... but seeming to get the "phone" part of that leak wrong, since it's in direct conflict with public statements by Palm executives.

Any one of these is easily discounted, but together they start to add up to a picture, especially in the current context of Palm's business.

Palm has finally made definite statements that they will replace Garnet with Palm OS for Linux once PalmSource has it ready. According to ITWeek, Ken Wirt said Palm is "waiting for PalmSource to port the Palm environment to Linux before moving away from Palm OS 5." But that doesn't mean that they couldn't have non-Palm Linux products along side their Garnet products for a period of time. And just because Colligan said there weren't any plans for (non-Palm) Linux or Symbian *Treos* doesn't mean they wouldn't consider a new Linux platform for a device that is not a phone.

Basically, I'm thinking that all this sounds like the first rumblings of devices from Hawkins' infamous "Third Business" coming on the wind. If it's as "disruptive" a device class as Hawkins claims, it wouldn't be surprising that Palm thought it would need a different kind of middleware than Palm OS will provide for Linux.

David Beers


RE: Have Palm's Windows™ of opportunity closed?
Gekko @ 6/16/2007 9:51:08 PM # Q

3 years to create a dumb terminal. amazing.



RE: Have Palm's Windows™ of opportunity closed?
twrock @ 6/16/2007 10:22:36 PM # Q
Re: "Has Palm Brainwashed You?"

I suppose to some extent that was part of the picture. But I do find that I'm truly tired of all of the bloat that comes from the "Wow! Look at this great new feature/program/function!" and "more is always better" mentality.

Why am I very happy choosing to run Linux on my dual-boot laptop instead of Windows? Because I find it to be more "lean", quicker to boot, quicker to shut down, and simpler to maintain (and more stable as well). In the form I choose to run it, it is simply "simpler". I don't think I'm being brainwashed into wanting something to be simpler. I'm choosing that with a very open mind.

(Of course you choosecan add as much bloat to Linux as you want to as well, so YMMV.)


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