Comments on: Treo 700p Update Posted Again

Palm has made the Sprint Treo 700p maintenance release updater available again. According to Palm only the SD card updater version is being made available at this time, as the Windows Installer's issues are still being investigated. Still no word on the timing for a Verizon release.

After numerous delays, the Sprint 700p Update was originally posted in early June, more than a year after the device's debut. It was removed a few days after due to reports of an installation issue that causes the device to continuously reset when applying the software update.

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Verizon update

a_nonamiss @ 6/22/2007 12:54:26 PM #

So when will the Verizon update be posted? Even a hint or a clue would be nice.

I know, I know, give 'em an inch, and they'll want a mile, but I've never had a Sprint 700P, only a Verizon 700P. The Sprint information just makes me want the update even more, and we have been awaiting this update just as anxiously as the Sprint users...

Arthur

Palm Pilot 1000 > Palm Pilot Professional > Palm III > Palm M100 > Sony Clié PEG-T415 > Palm T|T3 > Samsung SCH-i730 > Palm 700p

RE: Verizon update

hkklife @ 6/22/2007 3:00:32 PM #

My guess? Verizon is rumored to be releasing the 755p with a few Verizon-specific tweaks on or around July 4th. I predict we'll see the 700p ROM update from Palm a few weeks AFTER the release of the VZW 755p so that they can properly EOL the 700p and try to pull in a few suckers who'd rather buy a 755p instead of wait for the 700p fix.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Verizon update

LiveFaith @ 6/22/2007 3:24:04 PM #

*a few suckers who'd rather buy a 755p instead of wait for the 700p fix*

HKK,
As much as I feel for the 700 owners, it keeps getting harder and harder to think that the ones waiting on a 700p patch are NOT the suckers. Waiting on Palm+carriers to correct the laundry list of 700p issues, reminds me of "snipe hunting". How long should you wait?

Disclaimer: If you ain't from Dixie, then you'll get a pass for not knowing what snipe hunting is. :-D

Pat Horne

RE: Verizon update

leathernuts @ 6/22/2007 3:46:24 PM #

Not from Dixie, (try socal) but I sure know what it is- LOL. Thats a perfect comparison though.

RE: Verizon update

hkklife @ 6/22/2007 3:53:40 PM #

I'm from Dixie and by God I know what snipe huntin' is, pardner!

As for this 700p Verizon user, what other choice do I have but to wait it out?

If the 755p comes out in the next month or so I may try to sweettalk Verizon CS into giving me one at a good price. Otherwise, I'll just wait on the 700p patch and see what the Gandolf/800p/whatever ends up being. Otherwise, it might end up that I'll just go back to a TX + VZW dumbphone combo for the forseeable future...

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Verizon update

twrock @ 6/22/2007 8:12:59 PM #

If you ain't from Dixie, then you'll get a pass for not knowing what snipe hunting is.

Heck, I'm from way north of the line, and even us Indiana boys know what snipe hunting is. No excuses for anyone.

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RE: Verizon update

LiveFaith @ 6/23/2007 12:03:02 PM #

HKK,

I suggest taking the 700p down to the corporate store with it stuck in an endless reset loop. Ask them politely to just swap it out for a 755 upon release. When they say no, just grap the box and accessories, run out to the middle of the showroom, fall to the floor and start kickin and screaming. That should get it.

Pat Horne

Not this time...

mopcodes @ 6/22/2007 3:55:57 PM #

...I've had palms for a long time. Started with a 1 mb organizer I think it was then an 8mb and so on. No updater ever messed up the device til the issue with my 700p. I'll watch you guys do it this time and wait a few weeks. lol. Good luck. Be sure to keep us up to date.

D. Martin
Former Amiga/Commodore Author/Writer/Reviewer

700P - iPhone

palmstory @ 6/23/2007 2:04:48 AM #

Check out *Apple posts iPhone Guided Tour*
http://www.macminute.com/2007/06/22/iphone-guided-tour/

One can already read Word and Excel Files, and PDF on iPhone + YouTube...

iPhone will get IT Corporate world on board... So, WHY would anyone buy another Treo, or any other Smartphone NOW, when in a week iPhone would be out, with it's ATT Price Plans etc..

The REAL 3rd Party apps will come.. And so might camcorder, voice recorder, more GB of Flash...

I used to be a Palm ZEALOT, and now, after having 700P for year I feel betrayed... Add to that iPhone, and all it's promises, I might splurge, and the hell with the Verizon Cancellation Fee... -- life's too short...

Of course, I'll have to see iPhone in person, and make sure my Entourage Email, and Palm Deskto Data can be moved easily and synced with iPhone and my Powerbook 17. If all that goes smoothly --

GOOD BYE PALM!!!!

iPhone IS what the NEXT PALM was supposed to be, and more...

Apple has a proven record of SUCCESS, Palm is a chronic disasters parade!!!

RE: 700P - iPhone

bbtkd @ 6/23/2007 8:55:55 AM #

Bah - iPhone is not a Treo killer. The iPhone will appeal to folks that carry a cell phone and Ipod now, and don't need a true PDA. Yes, I suppose iPhone has PDA functionality, but soft keyboards are too cumbersome. Most with Treos want the convenience of a unified device with a keyboard - and the ability to load thousands of third party games, utilities, etc. The iPhone might cut into the Treo slightly, but only Palm/Sprint/Verizon can kill the Treo - and they are trying their best to do so. For a 10+ year Palm user such as myself there is no alternative right now. When there is a Linux based Treo, things SHOULD stabilize since the biggest problem with the current Treo is lack of memory protection and lack of multitasking.

RE: 700P - iPhone

PacManFoo @ 6/23/2007 11:49:06 AM #

Colligan is that you? Better put down the Palm crack pipe and realize that the Treo's better days are behind it. What makes matters worse is that Palm has no idea what to do next. Once the full line of iPhones come out it will be time to turn the lights out in Sunnyvale. The Palm Developer community is all but gone, long time users have been alienated, and the devices that Palm has produced in the last few years have been troublesome. Blackberry is the better alternative for the corporate world and iPhone for the private sector. Too much time has come between Palm OS 5 and Palm Linux and people have moved on. Palms only saving grace is that the iPhone is locked into Cellular for 5 years, this may buy them a little more time then they would have had otherwise. Oh I forgot the Fooleo will be Palm's saving grace...right.

PDA's Past and Present:
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100

RE: 700P - iPhone

a_nonamiss @ 6/23/2007 1:35:15 PM #

Some people in the corporate world (read: most people) have to choose a phone based on the carrier their company has, not choose the carrier based on the phone they want. I doubt most employees could get a meeting with the board of directors to try to convince them to switch to a different carrier so they can use an iPhone. Someone at Apple apparently missed the memo that covers that...

Arthur

Palm Pilot 1000 > Palm Pilot Professional > Palm III > Palm M100 > Sony Clié PEG-T415 > Palm T|T3 > Samsung SCH-i730 > Palm 700p

The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Puh-lease.

freakout @ 6/23/2007 10:08:44 PM #

PacManFoo:
Colligan is that you? Better put down the Palm crack pipe and realize that the Treo's better days are behind it.

How strange. Every Treo I've upgraded to has been better than the last one. Even weirder - sales are growing! Very odd for a product whose better days are behind it.

What makes matters worse is that Palm has no idea what to do next. Once the full line of iPhones come out it will be time to turn the lights out in Sunnyvale.

Mmmmmmmmm. No idea. Apart from their new Linux OS, you mean? Apart from the promise of new Treo designs, now that they can point to the Foleo for their business users? And this "iPhone" of which you speak - do you mean the one that's restricted to one carrier and one country only? The one that's $500, with contract? Oo, sounds like it's going to completely take over. Palm should just close up now. Take me, Apple. Take me now!

The Palm Developer community is all but gone

You mean like Toysoft, MotionApps, Normsoft, GoTreoSoftware, Softick, DataViz, Astraware, CoreCodec, Kinoma, Google, Handmark, Opera and GX5? (and that's not even the full list of companies whose software I currently have on my Treo!)

Blackberry is the better alternative for the corporate world and iPhone for the private sector.

Ah, the touchscreen-less Blackberry that isn't as compatible with as many kinds of email is better? I didn't realise! And that iPhone again - you mean the one that doesn't have a keyboard or buttons for easy one-handed navigation? The one that does Yahoo push email and that's it?The one that syncs your PIM data with freaking iTunes? I can hear the business users screaming for one already!

Oh I forgot the Fooleo will be Palm's saving grace...right.

The Foleo is not the killer device everyone was hoping for, but that doesn't mean it's not going to fill a profitable niche in the business market. It also means that if it flops (and that's a distinct possibility) it's not going to take Palm down with it, as the open-ended easy-to-use Treo will remain their bread-and-butter.

Palm have taken a long time to get their act together, and we're going to be waiting awhile yet. Yes, that's frustrating. But so long as they still have the market's most functional, versatile smartphone, I don't think the majority of their customers care all that much.

Enough with the doomsaying already. Palm aren't going away anytime in the forseeable future.

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

RE: 700P - iPhone

SeldomVisitor @ 6/24/2007 6:25:15 AM #

> ...Every Treo I've upgraded to has been better than the
> last one...

Skipped a couple in there, eh - like the 700w?

> ...Even weirder - sales are growing!...

The problem with the way PALM reports sell-in and sell-through statistics is that they don't break out what models are doing what. You might hear or read PALM saying:

== "Record sell-through!"

in the same breath as:

== "Margins have been maintained!"

and you could jump to the conclusion that PALM is selling more of their latest model TREOs, thus "succeeding".

But, of course and NEVER to be forgotten, PALM doesn't break out models on sell-in/sell-through for a reason, thus your conclusion may be totally wrong.

That is to say, when you offer rebates or assistance-to-sellers to offload TREO 650s, you can sell-THROUGH many more devices than before (*) - and the accounting for it is delayed considerably thus allowing a dramatic bottomline as well (eventually having to pay the Piper, of course).

So...sales are growing! Yeah, but what devices?

========

(*) I'm a perfect example of someone who bought due to one of these assisted-sell plans - I bought MY phone because it was free - I would have chosen a RAZR were my phone not free, too, thus THAT marketing plan empirically increased MY phone sell-THROUGH by one (er...two - one for spouse, too).

RE: 700P - iPhone

PacManFoo @ 6/24/2007 1:39:47 PM #

Keep drinking that kool-aid Freakout.

Mmmmmmmmm. No idea. Apart from their new Linux OS

And which device has this again? Right now I can't tell the difference between it and Cobalt.

Ah, the touchscreen-less Blackberry that isn't as compatible with as many kinds of email is better? I didn't realise! And that iPhone again - you mean the one that doesn't have a keyboard or buttons for easy one-handed navigation? The one that does Yahoo push email and that's it?The one that syncs your PIM data with freaking iTunes? I can hear the business users screaming for one already!

You must not live in the real world where Blackberrys dominate the corporate world. You must not read well either as I said the iPhone will dominate the private sector.

The Foleo is not the killer device everyone was hoping for

No kidding! Nor one that will sell.

Enough with the doomsaying already. Palm aren't going away anytime in the forseeable future.

Palm hasn't been going anywhere in quite some time. That's the whole problem.

PDA's Past and Present:
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100

RE: 700P - iPhone

freakout @ 6/24/2007 6:36:45 PM #

And which device has this again? Right now I can't tell the difference between it and Cobalt.

Apart from the Foleo which has been all over the news for the last month? Do you really think it's not going to be adapted for Palm's handheld devices? Yes, it will take time - probably too long, knowing Palm - but to say they "don't know what to do next" is rubbish. They clearly have a plan. Its success or failure will become clear in time.

You must not live in the real world where Blackberrys dominate the corporate world. You must not read well either as I said the iPhone will dominate the private sector.

Oh, I'm sorry - I didn't realise that "popular" meant "better" in your language. My mistake! (By the way, the "private sector" IS "the corporate world", unless I've been misreading things very badly...)

Keep drinking that kool-aid Freakout.

Wouldn't dream of stopping, when it tastes so nice...

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

RE: 700P - iPhone

freakout @ 6/24/2007 10:25:46 PM #

Skipped a couple in there, eh - like the 700w?

Well, the 700w was the first Windows Treo, and apart from being under-specced on RAM, it was a fairly good WinMob device from all the reviews I read. The 700wx was better, and the 750 has been called one of the best WinMob phones available. So on the Windows side of things, things have been steadily improving too.

As for the Palm ones - despite the agony that the many 700p bugs have caused, it was still a more capable and fully-featured device than its predecessor, the 650. It brought much-needed exta RAM, 3G and Bluetooth 1.2. Then the 680 brought a nice new form factor and even better stability. The 755 was better again, with 3G and the nice new form factor.

Despite people constantly saying the Treo is crap and hasn't gone anywhere, it really doesn't take more than a cursory look to show just how wrong they are. All we need now are landscape screened versions and wifi. (and a new OS, but as stated earlier, I'm sure that's coming.)

RE: 700P - iPhone

terrydavis @ 6/25/2007 12:04:44 PM #

palmstory is right - very right.

Palm can't get out of its own way anymore with updates (the 700p fiasco) and can't seem to come up with anything NEW (how long are they going to keep re-hashing the Treo form-factor?). The iPhone, like it or not, represents some new thinking, like an interface that does not need a stylus, auto-rotation, or real ease-of-use. And let’s not forget Apple has managed to stuff it all in a much slimmer, lighter package than the brick-like Treo.

Palm is simply having money issues. They can't afford to spend the money on REALLY new products or keeping their existing ones updated. They had the PDA market at one time, but that has gone away with the smartphone and they have just failed at keeping up with the rest of the industry. The iPhone is just on example - there is a bunch of other offerings out there that are far more desirable than the Treo.

It’s a shame really – Palm at one time had it going on.

RE: 700P - iPhone

sgiga @ 6/25/2007 2:36:56 PM #

The trap Palm has gone into is that they are aiming only at the so called business segment. This is something the large ones like Nokia, SE, Samsung, Motorola - well - everybody else except RIM has deliberately chosen not to do. They only include a handfull of phones in that segment compared to several dozens in other segments.

I think the business segment with regard to gadgets is something that only exist in the US. There may be many reasons for this, but I think the main reason is the Americans urge to be uniform, and particularly within the business segment. In Europe a phone is something you change every 6 months so you look good. Anyway, it is a small niche, in global spec it is miniscule, but most importantly it is a niche that is *not* the technology leader, it is not even technology driven, and certainly not something to associate yourself with if you are going to be hip, cool, or even stylish and classy. It is impossible to walk around with a Bleckberry or Treo and at the same time be classy and stylish, or even geeky (then you go for HTC or a Linux phone if you can get one, or simply an N95).

Having looked at the iPhone more closely I find it both classy and stylish, maybe to the point of being boring, boring in the "Desperate-Housewives"-kind of way, if you know what I mean. It is definitely not geeky or hip or cool, although the technology is cool. It is THE perfect toy for grown up girls (women, housewifes in particular), and will therefore sell alot, in the US at least. I don't think it will sell much elsewhere, the specs are just too low at the moment (2 MP camera, no 3G etc). When it finally comes to Europe it will be old news as well as being even more outdated technologically. Besides, watching movies on a small gadget is just too geeky (or plain childish) to be classy, yet the device itself is too classy to be geeky, so for all practical purposes it will be a walkman phone and has to compete with SE who comes with a new and classi*er* walkman phone several times a year (SE need some competition here, but the iPhone is not it, not even close at the moment). I have to admit that the iPhone seems to redefine ease of use in a phone, which is THE weak spot on all Nokia phones, and in this respect it pushes the technology several notches compared with any other phone. So, the iPhone clearly is the leader in ease of use as well as being both classy and stylish. In some ways it is a technology leader, and it has to be because it is heading for a technology driven market segment, the main segment, the largest segment. Point is: if Apple chooses to go for the American business segment sometime in the near future, they will totally wipe out both RIM and Palm. Chances are that the iPhone even with today's specs will be good *enough* for the American business segment (and if the boss has one, the rest will follow ...)

The Foleo, which I think is an extremely good idea and concept in general, is also aimed at that miniscule market segment. I just can't for the best of me understand why Palm has chosen that path - again. By increasing the specs just enough to use YouTube, the market suddenly widends several thousand times.

RE: 700P - iPhone

freakout @ 6/25/2007 9:34:33 PM #

The iPhone is just on example - there is a bunch of other offerings out there that are far more desirable than the Treo.

Here's what I want:

* A pocketable device. The Treo is at what I consider to be the upper limit of "pocketable", so nothing bigger please.

* A touchscreen - hugely important.

* A simple interface with easy one-handed navigation. PalmOS is clearly the winner over all its challengers: WinMob is too clunky, Symbian usually hides everything under a damn menu, and the iPhone will require two-handed use for nearly everything. Blackberry is okay, but not fantastic.

* An exposed QWERTY keyboard.

* Versatility, meaning my choice of apps to install. PalmOS and WinMob devices are the only real choices here.

So far as I know, the Treo is the only device that meets all the above conditions. The Blackberry comes close, but loses out on touchscreen and versatility.

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

Call CS

itster @ 6/24/2007 8:39:41 AM #

verizon has given me a choice to exchange my 700p for any phone i choose, even if it's for a 755p. they feel real bad about all the issues.

I would suggest you get on the phone with them and complain about how your business is hurt by this piece of junk.

I told them the truth and they saw i have exchanged the treo phone 6 times now because of defects

RE: Call CS

leathernuts @ 6/24/2007 9:29:25 AM #

VZ sent me a new 700p last week after 12 exchanges (i don't remember exchanging that many times). 30 days will be july 4th from when I received the new 700, the supposed release date of the 755p. So I quit using it, and am using my old one untill then, so I can give them back their 700 in new condition. I would rather send it back now and just have them note my account. Also, considering the 6800. Looks pretty cool and supoose to release next month as well. Did you talk to just anyone in CS or a special dept?

RE: Call CS

SeldomVisitor @ 6/24/2007 10:12:31 AM #

12 exchanges?

Wow.

You have the patience of a rock.

Treo sales numbers

wildmantrader @ 6/24/2007 8:52:31 PM #

They keep selling and selling and selling and while all these other Treo killers came out.

http://www.slamblog.com/

RE: Treo sales numbers

sgiga @ 6/25/2007 12:03:24 PM #

This is strange.

From http://www.symbian.com/about/fastfacts/fastfacts.html it shows that "other OS", mostly Palm I assume, sold 40k units in Q1 07 and 50k in Q1 06. That blog above report 470k treos Q1 06 and 569k treos Q1 07. If this is to make sense, then 9 of 10 Treos had MS OS in Q1 06 and 13 of 14 had MS OS in Q1 07. But that doesn't make sense either because the 700W didn't come before Q3 06. Hmmm

Palm going down.

murf @ 6/27/2007 11:39:13 AM #

Palm is the only manufacturer that do sell the product with bug and do not fix any more with update. Foleo? I wonder who want to buy that.
I have used from Palm 150c, Zire 71, Treo 650 and 700p. They were just simple but frequently freezing device. I have WM device that has sluggish speed and urgly user-frustrated interface.
iPhone or Prada phone will be the answer soon and many other phone will follow the phones that are more easy to use, stylish and stable.

Verizon 'Service'

JohnHW @ 6/30/2007 12:28:54 AM #

I've had all kinds of problems since I "upgraded" from the 650 to the 700P a few weeks ago. Unresponsive to the power button, requiring a soft reset and costing me several calls a day. Reset loops it won't get out of. Button lag of 15 to 30 seconds. It's really unbearable. My 30 day trial period expires July 8. I took the phone to the verizon store today and, while they told me that they would extend my 30 day trial period, they absolutely refused to put that in writing. What a stunning level of arrogance. I've told them I'm returning the phone and canceling the service on Monday. I know they would never enter an arrangement with me that I didn't sign, like I'm some dishonorable cretin, so why should I trust them when they say they will noted in their own system but will not give me a copy. That iPhone is looking better all the time.