The Inside Story of the Death of Palm and webOS

Palm webs history The Verge has published an excellent insiders look into the "death of Palm and webOS." The well researched article looks back at Palm's efforts to revive the platform and companies fortunes in the last five years of its existence.

The piece, which includes quotes and commentary from a number of former Palm employees and engineers, primarily focuses on the efforts of building and launching webOS and the ensuing struggle to market.

History has proven that tossing out a familiar platform that prints money for your business and starting anew isn't easy: just ask Apple and Microsoft, whose next-generation desktop operating systems in the 1990s (codenamed "Copland" and "Cairo," respectively) floundered aimlessly for years before being replaced with other initiatives. The politics of a mobile platform are no different. The entire process can quickly devolve into a holy war, it turns out, never mind the risk of alienating your users and third-party developers the very people by whom any platform is ultimately made or broken.

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Nice wrap up by Chris Z.

linds @ 6/5/2012 1:39:15 PM # Q
What a great job done by the verge, Could this be the last article ever written on the subject. Probably not but it could be the last time a reporter spends this much time putting it all together.

Here is my comment on the Verge,

"I remember my first encounter with the Palm IIIxe. I didn't have any older brothers or friends who were into technology. I had only briefly heard about the Palm Pilot. I finally had someone who was wanting to sell theirs and gave it to me to use. I was completely mesmirized. I couldn't believe such a product existed, I loaded ebooks, documents, contacts, pictures, and I begin checking their website almost daily to check for new products.

It is so sad to think about how they had 100% of my mind share as well as many others but due to what seems to be corporate greed, threw it all way for short term profits.

This is why I admire companies like Google, Apple, and Amazon who seem to have it in their DNA to think long term, sacrificing short term profits for the good of the long term."

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Sad story

atrizzah @ 6/17/2012 3:27:30 PM # Q
Sadly, what happened with Palm is simply one example of how American "businesspeople" are completely botching tech companies. Horrible foresight, terrible product strategy. So much time wasted, so many opportunities squandered. They could have destroyed the iPod. They could have beat the iPhone to the punch.

Palm had such a phenomenal lead in the mobile sector, but they wasted half a decade iterating minor Garnet device upgrades, rather than innovating. I'm far from an Apple fan, but the reason they have done so well is their absolute thirst for innovation and product design, and a penchant for taking the long view.
Peace Out

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Sad Story

SFO_TXUSR @ 6/22/2012 8:21:57 AM # Q
Even when they brought out WebOS, Palm tried desperately to out iPhone Apple and completely abandoned their installed (but diminishing) base. They seemed distracted with having the Palm Pre connect directly with iTunes which ended up in a public fight of "oneupmanship" that did them or their customers no good.

I hung on to my Palm Treo (hoping for Palm to come to their senses) until I bought a Windows 7 laptop and could no longer easily sync my phone. I ended up buying an iPod Touch and never looked back and now have an iPhone and an iPad.

RE: Sad Story
HyperScheduler @ 6/28/2012 4:35:14 PM # Q
1) I agree that the iPhone is the logical choice for people who loved Palm OS.

2) Technically, it is now possible to do a wired (not just wireless) HotSync on a Windows 7 computer

(Try this link:

3) Notice how Google is learning from HP's mistake, in that Google is NOT pricing their new tablet higher than the iPad. In my view, the burden of proof falls on the non-Apple companies to make a better slate than the iPad, and only THEN should those companies price their slates at or above the iPad level.

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Interesting but irrelevant article

pmjoe @ 7/20/2012 1:50:57 AM # Q
Palm was dead when they didn't end-of-life Palm OS 5 and push OS 6 / Cobalt to market around 2003-2004. While WebOS was nice, it was irrelevant before it was even developed.

Let's not forget the Foleo. It had a nice OS too.

If Palm had put one-half the money and effort they ended up putting into the Foleo OS and WebOS into Cobalt, Palm would've been years ahead of Android and iOS.

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Swan Song

RhinoSteve @ 7/21/2012 11:34:07 PM # Q
This is probably my last post here. Palm has had a hell of a run with a decade in the sun. Jeff and Donna shucked the Zoomer after the money went away to create a home run of a good and simple unit at the right price that was a hit out of the park. With success comes envy and those looking for a safe job to pay their mortgage.

Jeff and Donna called 3Com's bluff, started Handspring and reinvented the PDA again. Did the smartphone right and with that success, shot into Jeff's passion, neuroscience, doing Numenta.

IMO, this is when Palm started to waver.

In came the corporate "experts" the social "experts" and everyone else who never worked in a company less than a thousand employees in size. There were detachments, partitions and counter efforts.

IMO Palm OS 6 Cobalt was the best OS that never shipped. Had the hardware / software design wall was not as high, perhaps the OS would not require such then expensive components to hit the right price points as has been posted in many developer and rant groups all over the net.

To me webOS was a day late and a dollar short with no native code and no backwards compatible API for the existing developer community. Again, throwing the decade of app that made the platform great under the bus was another drop that started the Swan Song.

I'm glad to see a book out documenting the fall. I'm sure as more NDAs sunset and other key employees move on, we'll hear more. I'm most looking forward to all of the Palm device concept artwork and prototypes that are still locked up. Oh, I'd love to see the so much rumored "two screen" Palm where you could launch two Palm apps side by side and never happened due to parts cost. Also, why the LifeDrive team was so missing the mark for the market is another narrative of corporate introversion.

Palm, it was a fun run. I'll keep my Cobalt Blue cube right next to the Newton stuff I collected over the years.

Live and learn!

RE: Swan Song
hkklife @ 7/23/2012 8:34:27 AM # Q
Thanks for the final post, Steve. You know, we have had numerous "insider" posts and articles so far about the last days of WebOS and HP and the Pre/Touchpad et al. But I honestly considered those efforts just a shell of the REAL Palm Computing "zen" we loved for all those years and I'd still like to know THAT story!

I wonder if we'll ever see the definitive tale of why Cobalt was such a debacle and why OS5 was kept on life support for years past the 2002-2003 timeframe it was intended to be used as an interim solution.

Palm's continued missteps in both hardware and software from 2001-2007 really cost them dearly. Just when they finally got the hardware down pat (T|C & T|T3 in '03), they got distracted with the spin-off and OS5 started to become a laggy, patched-together mess.

The LifeDrive remains the poster child for Palm dysfunction for sure. Such potential there and they totally squandered it. Almost makes you think someone from high up wanted to botch that device so they'd have an excuse to give up on the "non-phone" market as as well as high-end, large-screen devices. And look now, 7 years later, the market is mad for....large-screen media devices (both phones and non-phones).
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RE: Swan Song
gmayhak @ 7/24/2012 6:58:54 PM # Q
They screwed up in so many ways but personally I kinda like my LifeDrive. Good build quality and the only PDA with a hard drive built in. Laggy but cool ;)

Kris, I've lost your email but there is some stuff going down that I'd like to tell you about...

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RE: Swan Song
hkklife @ 7/25/2012 7:01:08 AM # Q
Just dropped you an email, Gary!
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RE: Swan Song
linds @ 7/25/2012 7:07:19 PM # Q
Gary, Can't you tell us all? I mean there are only like 3 people left that come to this web site.

RE: Swan Song
HyperScheduler @ 7/26/2012 2:34:55 PM # Q
LOL, I agree-- Gary, go ahead and share with us :-)

RE: Swan Song
gmayhak @ 7/26/2012 5:30:34 PM # Q
It just relates to an interview I did with Kris a long time ago, I can talk about it in a few months.

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RE: Swan Song
RhinoSteve @ 8/18/2012 1:48:18 PM # M Q
Glad the post is well received. Ok, my final note. What ever happened to Voice of Reason? This guy was the king of trolls on this site for years. You think with Palm finally going the way his predictions, this self proclaimed "heavyweight champion of PalmInfoCenter" would zeal in his last laugh?

There have been rumors he is / was in jail or a is very early Palm employee going back to Jeff's GRiD days that has sour grapes. Unmasking this guy makes for a good falling action here.

RE: Swan Song
hkklife @ 8/20/2012 11:42:21 AM # Q
Yes, the TVoR vs "BubbaSteve" battles were quite memorable, weren't they? ;-) It's funny how what passed for flame wars & trolling on PIC back in the day would actually be regarded as highly intellectual debate on many tech sites nowadays.

BTW, TVoR posted here, oh, 6 months or so ago so he still pops in occasionally.
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RE: Swan Song
thefez @ 8/22/2012 9:25:03 AM # Q
Oh, gosh!
I realized it's 5 years since I last logged into PIC forums!!

It is really a sad story.
I still love my T3 very much, even if it is now just a very polished paperweight...

And it is still a pleasure reading at comments from people like you, who really made this website living.

I converted my family to Palm, some years ago: a Treo 650 to my sister (just replaced by iPhone4S) and a Treo 680 to my father (still going very strong!).
After the death of my T3 I was the only non-palm at home! ;-))
Now discovered Android 4.0 onto a Galaxy Tab 7plus: really the Palm successor, even if I miss graffiti a lot!!

Keep up the good work, even if not in Palm-land!



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Some new Palm News!

linds @ 7/26/2012 5:51:02 AM # Q
Style Tap brings the Palm emulator to Android.

RE: Some new Palm News!
gmayhak @ 7/26/2012 9:58:43 AM # Q
It's fun to play with and Cricket (my HP-01 simulation) runs. Problem is, Palm OS graphics just don't cut it any more :-/
Another problem is it's missing the Memos app.
The biggest problem is $49.95! I'll just use my Centro or PV for trips down memory lane.

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RE: Some new Palm News!
joeags @ 9/11/2012 11:14:44 PM # Q
It's been a long time since I came to this site, but back in the early 2000's, I was a frequent visitor, albeit not posting often. This wasn't my original username, but I'd post once every few months. To this day, I still am frustrated with Palm for their inability to take advantage of the large screen form factor in phones or whatever, especially since I was eager for them to succeed with my money riding in the company. But it wasn't meant to be, even if I got my money out before the downfall!

My TX still gets use as an audio player with the projector upstairs, but this news actually excited me for a bit. After years of having two devices in my pocket, my TX and a dumb phone, with the dumb phone being the device that was always dead when I needed it because I never tracked it's charge, I moved to an Android phone. First an Optimus One, and now a Nexus device.

It's funny that with all the advancements, certain programs still don't measure up to what I came to love with the PalmOS apps. I finally am able to have a working solution for most of my apps, but the big one was Ultrasoft Money. I still use another dead product, MS Money, and this was the only app that really made it usable for both. With this StyleTap app, I was able to import databases into the Nexus. Pretty cool! I can't figure out a way to export if I track expenses while away, but that's not that bad, as I mostly liked the bill reminder and budget to play with while out and about. I even pulled out my old Palm Tungsten C to sit next to the computer and sync, and then run a script to one step sync to google drive, and import from my phone. Surprisingly easy and efficient!!

On the other hand, $50 for this is cost prohibitive to me. I'll be playing for the trial period, and then let it go...

Thanks to all for their enjoyable debates, even if I walked away pissed at the negativity towards the Palm I thought would succeed...!!! :D

RE: Some new Palm News!
joeags @ 9/12/2012 12:06:52 PM # Q
Oops, never used the StyleTap web tools. There is a way to get the files off of the android device. Interesting...
RE: Some new Palm News!
HyperScheduler @ 9/13/2012 10:49:44 AM # Q
Interesting. . . thank you for checking in and sharing this. I am curious-- how do you use your TX for audio and projector? What app or apps, for example?
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Jellybean for Touch Pad

gmayhak @ 8/5/2012 7:50:49 PM # Q

Out with the old & in with the new :-/

Probably a good thing.

I'm starting to kinda like Android and the new Nexus 7 tablet with Jellybean is a pretty awesome little tablet.

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RE: Jellybean for Touch Pad
HyperScheduler @ 8/6/2012 10:13:07 AM # Q
Interesting, thanks!

RE: Jellybean for Touch Pad
gmayhak @ 8/6/2012 6:45:31 PM # Q
I'm finding that learning to write Android apps is a PITA but if anyone has switched to Android and wants to be able to program on it I came across this Basic app written by the guy that did Atari Basic and one of the early versions of Apple OS.
It has pretty good interface to Graphics, Bluetooth and other Android bells & whistles. There is even a way to publish apps you've written. It's called Basic!...

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RE: Jellybean for Touch Pad
gmayhak @ 9/9/2012 7:35:37 PM # Q
Just a follow-up to my last post for people that are using Android. It really is easy to write apps for these devices using "Basic!"
This is on a Nexus 7...


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RE: Palm is now GRAM (?)
Tuckermaclain @ 8/30/2012 1:36:57 PM # Q
gram is a cool name if you imagine the weight of a feather. Bad name if you imagine it's a grandma hauling around a centro. I finally ditched Palm for a 4S. I actually found a bit of software that perfectly transferred my palm memos into evernote. If styletap comes to the iphone, I'll for sure use it--for nostalgia if nothing else. I wonder if "afterburner" would work on it??

RE: Palm is now GRAM (?)
Tuckermaclain @ 8/30/2012 1:46:03 PM # Q
I see they have it now! Haven't looked at the styletap site forever.
RE: Palm is now GRAM (?)
Tuckermaclain @ 8/30/2012 1:55:45 PM # Q
I see they have it now! Haven't looked at the styletap site forever.
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Searching for a Palm OS app. (help!)

HyperScheduler @ 8/31/2012 9:56:34 AM # Q
Dear Friends,

Can somebody please help me? I am looking for Steven Kienle's "Reminders" app., but I need version 2.8 for my Treo 755p.

I tried's version 2.7 and it crashed my phone (my understanding is that version 2.8 is for Palm OS 5 devices like my Treo), and yet I am having NO LUCK AT ALL when I try to download version 2.8 from that website.

I have searched for version 2.8 across the internet, to no avail.

Does anybody have Reminders v2.8 ??? Can somebody please contact me, publicly or privately?

Thank you very much.



RE: Searching for a Palm OS app. (help!)
HyperScheduler @ 8/31/2012 1:00:35 PM # Q
Never mind! I found it on Day Two of my search:

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Could this mean a new webos device is in the works

linds @ 9/14/2012 8:00:31 PM # M Q
RE: Could this mean a new webos device is in the works
gmayhak @ 9/15/2012 7:28:10 PM # Q
It sounds like wishful thinking from the 'new HP'. Palm was history long before the HP acquisition. The day they decided to leave no backward compatibility in the OS was the day the music died.

Even if Palm would have been at the top of their game HP just can't get it right any more! They recently did a Limited Addition release of one of the best loved calculators HP ever produced, the HP15c.
Instead of the original double injected molded keys they were silkscreened painted in China. In fact it was all made in China and to top that one of the most useful functions PSE (Pause) is buggy. When a company forgets the importance of quality it's time to hang it up.


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RE: Could this mean a new webos device is in the works
gmayhak @ 9/15/2012 8:24:24 PM # Q
Typical comment regarding "New HP" quality...

Re: Another HP-15C LE bug? --> serious power management bug
Message #45 Posted by robert rozee on 3 Oct 2011, 2:48 p.m.,
in response to message #44 by Mike Morrow
This sort of issue is one of many that will deny the 15C-LE status as a bona fide re-issue of the 15C [...]
a nearly 30 year old 15C has a fairly good chance of still being fully functional today. the IC fabrication technology was optimized with extra internal layers to promote long life. the keyboard was engineered with materials far exceeding the design requirements. the plastics chosen and moulding methods used stood the test of time. the original machine was built to the mantra: ONE calculator to last the LIFETIME of the owner.

a 2011 model 12C/15C is built using a processor with a designed materials lifespan of perhaps 10 years, keyboard (including contacts) and plastic parts that are 'just good enough'. the LCD is attached with a printed flex + glue system that is known to fail over time (several years) - though said failure will in 99% of units be safely outside of the 1-year limited warranty. and the PCB assembly uses a lead-free soldering process that is guaranteed to fail before this decade is out.

the technology all round is a compromise that (a) minimizes cost, (b) maximizes shareholder revenue, while (c) producing a product that will just adequately fulfil the expectations of a 21st century consumer that is used to a disposable calculator that will need to be replaced after a few years because of irreparable failure.

not wanting to criticize the modern 12C/15C design team - they have done a great job (ignoring keyboard failures in one batch and power-hungry firmware) to fulfil the modern design specifications - but the modern 12C/15C is as much a collectable 'design classic' as a $1 plastic flower pot painted up to look like a ming dynasty vase.
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RE: Could this mean a new webos device is in the works
dagwud @ 10/2/2012 4:52:40 PM # Q
I still use the HP 32s I bought in 1990 for stats class. And I still use the HP 12c that I bought in 1991 for Family Finance. Long on wear, long on battery life.

Apparently, they really don't make 'em like they used to.

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So... where is everyone now?

gmayhak @ 11/13/2012 5:57:07 PM # Q
We've all moved on, it might be interesting to hear what devices Palm people converted to. I still have a variety but seldom use them. For a while I switched to Apple, 1st gen iPad & several iPod Touches. Now I'm leaning more toward Android's open environment, it's closer to what we had with Palm. I thought an iPad Mini might switch me back to Apple but my Nexus 7 has pretty much converted me.

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RE: So... where is everyone now?
hkklife @ 11/15/2012 8:27:47 PM # Q
Well, Gary, you already know my story but for everyone else:

I carried some combination of Palm OS PDA + a small flip phone from 1996-2006 before going Treo (700p). Finding that the Treo was such a dreadful phone, I went back to dual devices (Treo with a data-only play as PDA/email machine, flip phone for talking & texting). That sufficed until 2009 when I got the original Droid 1 on VZW on launch day. Android, in its initial 2008-2009 Donut/Eclair/Froyo form, left a lot to be desired, so I still made do with the Droid (for talking & texting & web browsing) and a Centro (for email & PIM) for about 6 months until I felt that the Android ecosystem had matured significantly and was gaining traction in the marketplace. I then grudgingly put Palm OS out to pasture other than the occasional game or quick refence lookup on my trusty TX. Other than fooling around with an iPod Touch for a while (primarily for app/game testing), and a brief time with a few firesale TouchPads (ugh) I have been 100% Android ever since. It'd be neat to have an iPad to play around with but I cannot really justify one unless a Mini would roll around for a very good price.

I still think Android has a LOT of shortcomings (horrible fragmentation, too many orphaned devices, a horribly organized Play Store, TOO many resource-hogging manufacturer UI skins, poor power management) but the variety of hardware options, formfactors and openness make it #1 in my book. I still wish that there was a Palm-style mobile OS out there NOT made by someone with a vested interest in cloud computing/search engine results/e-commerce/media sales. I agree with Gary that nothing will ever approach the golden years of Palm OS ('96-'01) but I must admit that from 2009-2010, Android did have a little of that feeling, as the ecosystem was growing by leaps and bounds and the sky seemed to be the limit. Something cool (CyanogenMod etc) was seemingly happening every other day!

For example, Android is rapidly dropping support for external expansion cards and the latest crop of devices have neutered internal storage (really, the flagship Nexus 4 is only available in 8Gb and 16Gb options? This is not 2009!) in a pitiful attempt to push "the cloud" We have battery-sucking LTE on one hand, slow & limited HSPA coverage on the other thand and data tiers and caps all around. For just a few bucks I can get a nice big 64Gb microSDXC card and store all of my media on there and still have room to spare.

Right now I have a Galaxy SIII on VZW along with a Nexus 7 tablet. It's a nice combo but I am still awaiting a Nexus-style tablet with a screen larger than 7" but smaller than 10". I have also traditionally used Motorola handsets due to their superior RF performance, battery life and build quality, but their hardware lineup has totally gone off a cliff in the past year. I'm not exactly thrilled with this Samsung, however, and am itching for a reason to go back to Moto. My absolute dream device now would be a Motorola phablet with a 5" (give or take) 1080p screen, S4 Pro SoC + 2Gb RAM, at least 32Gb of internal storage + microSD slot, and a 3300mAh or larger battery.

Sorry for being long-winded but it was fun to wax nostalgic again on PIC for old times' sake. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
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RE: So... where is everyone now?
HyperScheduler @ 11/19/2012 12:08:36 AM # Q
Interesting posts, thank you very much.

I started with a Palm m515 in late 2002. Personally, I preferred to wait until a Palm device had a nice color screen (as opposed to the now-nostalgic look of the green and black). I used this wonderful device until the Treo 650 (circa 2005-2007), then the Treo 755p (circa 2007-2009).

I am a DateBk6 fanatic, and the only reason I switched to an iPhone is because the hardware of my Treo 755p was falling apart.

I have been using an iPhone 3GS for 3 years now, though the calendar-to-Google-Calendar system is so childlike and basic compared to Palm and DateBk6. It is nearly impossible to search one's own calendar!

Believe it or not, I am actually making a transition BACK to Palm OS! My goal is to resume Palm-ing for all of my calendaring, but continue using an iPhone for everything else.

No joke: I sincerely, truly want to be the LAST PERSON ON EARTH who is still actively using Palm OS.

May I respectfully ask your opinion-- how many people right now are using Palm OS? 100,000 people? 1,000 people?

Also, when it comes to the magical ease-of-use and intuitive nature of Palm OS, I believe that iOS (as opposed to Android) is the true heir to Palm OS.

RE: So... where is everyone now?
Gekko @ 11/22/2012 2:26:30 PM # Q

holy shit Grandpa Gary left Apple for Android? i'm shocked!

i'm using a launch day Sprint Samsung Galaxy Nexus that replaced a launch day Sprint HTC EVO 4G that replaced a Sprint Palm Centro. i love pure Android.

Check out my apps!

ASTRO File Manager
Chrome to Phone
Documents To Go
Documents To Go Full Version Key
Fancy Widgets
Fancy Widgets Unlocker
Google Finance
HP ePrint Home&Biz
MyBackup Pro
NBC Local News
Nova Launcher
Nova Launcher Prime
OfficeSuite Pro 6 + (PDF & HD)
Quick Calendar
Bloomberg Radio+
TuneIn Radio Pro

RE: So... where is everyone now?
twrock @ 11/23/2012 8:21:06 AM # Q
(I don't think I've logged in to PIC in over a year; wow, hard to believe, given how much time I spent here in the past!)

I went completely into Android, and have purchased replacement apps for everything I had on my Palm (even iSilo and "DateBk" are available!). So far only one device, the Huawei U8220, but the next device will be purchased in December or January. I got into the geekier side of things, and created some some fairly popular modified roms for the phone. (Still "twrock" over at MoDaCo: My next phone will be at least at least a 1.2ghz dual-core, 4.3" screen, probably something inexpensive out of China. Having the skills to modify my own roms has come in really handy when it comes to choosing a phone. :-)

I never could see myself getting locked into Apple's walled garden, so that was never an option in my mind. No regrets there.

But to this day, I still wish the idiots hadn't killed Palm. It was so sweet when it was good....

And of course, I can't resist taking another jab at all those obnoxious Apple fanbois who hung out here, mocked us, and told us that Apple could never lose in the mobile space. Yeah, really? :-)

RE: So... where is everyone now?
PacManFoo @ 11/28/2012 8:14:52 AM # Q
"No joke: I sincerely, truly want to be the LAST PERSON ON EARTH who is still actively using Palm OS."

Well, you'll have to outlast me then! I still am using three devices, the TX, T3, and I have come to really enjoy the Lifedrive that I carry with me most of the time. By the way I picked up the Lifedrive for around $40 on Amazon and wasn't expecting to like it as much as the other two but I ended up enjoying it more.
The last known classic PDA user.

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