Quickies: PC Expo, EEG Monitoring, HandEra Case, How-To

Posted By: Ed Friday, June 28, 2002 8:05:31 AM

Don't miss VisorCentral's PC Expo 2002 Report with pictures and videos of new products from the expo part of TechXNY. -Ed

Nicolet Biomedical has introduced SNAP, a single-channel EEG monitoring tool built into a Springboard module. It allows the Visor to track anesthesia's effect on brain activity and display it in a time-based trend. SNAP has been cleared to market by the FDA, with commercial shipments expected to begin in July. -PR

Piel Frama is now listing a leather flip-case for the Handera 330 on their webstore. It comes in black, tan, or a combination of the two and offers an opening for the jog dial and slots for business cards. It sells for $60. -Wollombi

A collection of all the Palm OS Minutes can be found on the PalmLoyal site. These are brief how-tos explaining some facet of the Palm OS. -Ed

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i'm surprised...

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 8:38:48 AM #
All this week was techxny but we didn't hear anything from palm. Didn't somebody who went there check out palm? Are they keeping it a secret?
RE: i'm surprised...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 1:05:28 PM #
I was at the Singapore CommunicAsia 2002, which is the largest Mobile IT exhibition and yet Palm is not there at all....last year, when I was there Palm has a huge booth with lots of partners showing solutions and accessories and yet I saw some of them has actually jumped ship to support PPC 2002.

Upon asking some of the developers, many cited that the support that they get from Palm is lesser and lesser and as the saying goes, business still to move to stay alive many started supporting PPC 2002 platform too.

It is such a sad situation.

And now here at PC Expo in NYC, Palm is not making enough noise at all....and to think that Palm OS5 has just been released.


RE: i'm surprised...
Altema @ 6/28/2002 1:45:54 PM #
I think Palm is a little gun shy on pre-announcements. Makes me wonder if they are going to wait until last minute for release announcements.

RE: i'm surprised...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 3:17:54 PM #
gun-shy on pre announcement? maybe they learn something from past mistakes about preannouncing debalce (m505, browser), or worse they just don't have anything to announce.
I hope there are no nasty surprises
Taqi @ 6/28/2002 3:56:56 PM #
Here I am eagerly awaiting an OS5 machine I am getting deja vu with my past Psion experience with the 5mx, which in many ways was very advanced, I waited and waited for the next amazing version only to find the Company had folded its PDA operations. I hope something nasty like funny acocounting hitting Xerox/Worldcom and Enron is not lying in the closet of Palm and they hurry and get a OS5 machine out! I have managed to convince people to hold of getting a PPC but even I feel tempted when I see the machines, I have to grit my teeth and grip my M505, take a deep breath and keep walking!

My nightmare: Msoft buys up Palm....

Come on PALM HURRY UP!!!!!


don't be surprised. PC Expo was a dud this year
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 6:39:01 PM #
The funny thing is that Handspring didn't even show up even though they just released the new Treo. Funny thing is that PC Expo was pretty much dead in general this year. According to visorcentral "This year the show is surprisingly small - only about half of the available floor space is in use (see images on photo page). Most companies have smaller booths than they normally do. In fact, we have never seen PC Expo this small before."

umm looks like an announcement to me
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 6:52:48 PM #
didn't you see http://palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3726 about Java, full featured web browser and VPN for PalmOS 5?

Springboard is dead

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 9:57:16 AM #
It's sad to see some of these interesting medically-related Springboard modules coming out lately after the lengthy FDA approval process, only to find that this hardware platform has no future.

Not that attatching anything to a PDA to make it something else was ever really a good idea. As a rule, I think that a PDA peripheral should enhance the PDA functions rather than turn it into something else. Most of these devices are novel, however, they aren't anything that anyone was really asking for. Where, exactly, did you hear of the demand for a single-lead EEG pray tell? They built it. That's nice, however, they aren't really solving any kind of problem.

RE: Springboard is dead
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 10:12:22 AM #
It would be great to see more innovative uses for Palm devices like this but without a "Universal Connector" that's not proprietary we probably won't see too many of these. The Palm platform would be great as an instrument interface. I'd like to see development of scientific instruments that use Bluetooth to connect to PDA's.
RE: Springboard is dead - sad but true
Taqi @ 6/28/2002 10:18:07 AM #
Replace the E with a C and there are family physicians who would like some add ons. Preferably a 12 leader rather than the 3 leaders recentyl introduced.


12 lead ECG?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 11:09:09 AM #
It would be one thing if you could carry 12 leads and simply plug them into your PDA, however, there will almost certainly be some kind of brick that has to be attatched to the PDA. Given that you could only possibly view a couple of leads at a time on your PDA, what would be the point? Will you have this on a plane when you need it? Are you going to hand your PDA to your nurse to do the ECG?

What good is it during a transport if you don't have a defibrillator? "Oh, look, multiple PVC's to V tach to flatline. I hope I got it all on my Palm ECG module!"

RE: Springboard is dead
james_sorenson @ 6/28/2002 11:24:32 AM #
Adding functionality versus turning it into a new device is a gray area. This is just like adding PCI cards to a PC, only more portable.

NOw, I'll admit that the Springboard seems to be winding to a close, but there has been A LOT of medical springboards for the Visor, so it will probably stay viable in that particular market for quite a while.

I do wish they used a more accepted standard (like standard CF cards or PMCIA cards. Oh well.

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James Sorenson

RE: Springboard is dead
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 2:41:42 PM #
Hey, making it dead only makes getting accessories for it cheaper for me!
RE: Springboard is dead
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 2:54:12 PM #
I won't be facetious and suggest a wind up defib....
ECG for the Family Physician: good or idea or a terrible one, in an increasingly litigionous world its a BAD idea because you might iagnose one of those terrible arythmias, but I like the idea of keeping a certain skill set alive of reading 12 lead ECG, checking for LVH, checking axes giving printout to keep in the wallet if LBBB was discovered etc.

Anyway that's my take, I guess IM Anonymous was from the States i'm from the UK we are still a bit behind in litiginous dept.
Taqi

RE: Springboard is dead
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/1/2002 7:36:53 PM #
I've had 3 companies ask me about our product for use with Handspring Visor PDA's. These companies were building home security systems, signal processors/data acquisition, and barcode scanning. One already had over 2000 units in use and the others were expecting sales in the thousands also.

Not millions but the Visor Springboard slot was just the right size for these kind of specialty products and I hope a company like Handera picks up the productline and continues it for just these users. Because SD is too small and CF is close but only Handera supports it in a reasonably priced device. The Visor with Springboard was the perfect match.

IMHO

Wither Treo

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 12:20:52 PM #
I just saw the video of Kyocera 7135. Very impressive, sleek design, mp3, sd slot, user replacable battery, voice activate dial/caller id screen.

I don't think Treo can compete.

RE: Wither Treo
fkclo @ 6/28/2002 1:11:18 PM #
Kyocera is not yet on the shelf yet. So, there is no real competition.

At present, Treo proves itself in terms of usability. It is so far the only "usable" PDA-phone combo. Yes, it is not prefect, and there are ample room for improvement. But Handspring executes the phone-PDA integration just better than anyone at this stage. Yes, 6 months from now we will see better products and more competition. But this is future.

Treo's major problem is pricing, especially in European countries. Just too expensive for most prospective buyers.

Just my 2 cents.

RE: Wither Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 1:21:16 PM #
6 months? I thought they say around Nov? Plus with this announcement I think people will wait and see before signing a one year contract.
RE: Wither Treo. yep!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 1:22:25 PM #
I think i would get kyocera over treo if only its available for voicestream so that i wont have to cancel and signup for another plan. And i will surely get it if the cost without service is reasonable. Treo wont be able to compete with this one...unless the person hates grafitti.
RE: Wither Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 1:41:23 PM #
treo is the only palm smartphone with a real keyboard. much better for composing emails than a kyocera
RE: Wither Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 3:24:41 PM #
it has grafitti, big deal about the tumbboard unless you are a heavy SMS user. The other features simply outweight the tumboard small advantage.
RE: Wither Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 6:46:40 PM #
what do you get a phone/pda for? Watching movies or writing emails on the go? I think writing emails is more important than watching some trailer on a tiny screen
RE: Wither Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 7:17:33 PM #
You are comparing a product that is now on the shelf with a product that is not out for another 4 or 5 months. YHou can bet your any money that something else that is better than the Kyocera phone will at least be announced by then -- perhaps even a new Treo model. Kyocera probably pre-announced the model this early because they know they have Verizon wireless in the bag. It may also be a ploy to keep people from buying the Treos that are now out.
RE: Wither Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 7:32:55 PM #
who is going to announce better phone? Do you know something that we don't?

and no There is NO new treo model, just treo 270 with CDMA tranceiver. What is the chance Handspring will create something to out do Kyocera in 5 months time (or at least announce it)

The rest are smartphone from Microsoft and Nokia.

RE: Wither Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/29/2002 1:28:23 PM #
I guess we will just ahve to wait and see then...
RE: Wither Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/29/2002 2:04:39 PM #
Yeah the 7135 is great except that it seems too thick (more then 40% thicker then treo gsm). I like being able to put the Treo in my pant pocket without noticing it's there. I also prefer not to use belt clips. Hopefully I'll be able to pocket a 7135 at a CompUSA and see how it feels but from the official specs I'm inclined to think it won't be as pocketfriendly as the treo.

Personally, features like MP3, 16bit,(likely)longer battery life, and true 3G speed is not worth giving up the larger screen, pocketability, thumbboard, and price(definitely will be cheaper by the time 7135 is released) of the Treo. This is all assuming you're GSM/CDMA agnostic.

RE: Wither Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/29/2002 5:53:58 PM #
if you own a treo now, how does it matter if treo will be cheaper or not by the time kyocera comes out?

it doesn't make sense.

RE: Wither Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/29/2002 8:14:49 PM #
I meant if I were to choose between buying a Treo 270 and a 7135 in the future. You're right it didn't make sense. Sorry for the confusion.

Impressive Handera Case

fkclo @ 6/28/2002 1:16:31 PM #
The case for Handera looks very impressive and elegant from the photos. The leather looks very fine grained, and workmanship (on the outside) appears top class. Hope they will be making for other models as well.

US$60 is a bit steep, but I guess they are positioning against the likes of Vaja. In this regard, pricing can be considered reasonable, though the product is a bit late.

RE: Impressive Handera Case
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 3:33:39 PM #
Well the if its's "LATE" then this may be the perfect case for HANDERA!LOL

Cause they are too LATE.....

RE: Impressive Handera Case
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 3:37:56 PM #
Yeah good point, plus the five people that bought Handera's probably broke them or upgraded by now.
RE: Impressive Handera Case
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 5:16:34 PM #
did you see the other thread about the potential color model? it will be a best seller i predict.
RE: Impressive Handera Case
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 7:25:36 PM #
I hope so. It is still the only Palm with 2 expansion slots and voice recording.
RE: Impressive Handera Case
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 7:55:28 PM #
>> Yeah good point, plus the five people that bought Handera's probably broke them or upgraded by now.

Here we go again. It only took you ~2 hours to turn this thread to trash.

You know, some people did buy them, find them useful and they do fit a need. Not everyone wants the exact same model and people do like a selection to choose from.

If you can't contribute something useful to the discussion, grow up & go away.

RE: Impressive Handera Case
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/29/2002 2:35:30 AM #
>>Yeah good point, plus the five people that bought Handera's probably broke them or upgraded by now.

Troll, and not even a good one. What an idiot.

RE: Impressive Handera Case
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/30/2002 10:43:55 PM #
Well unfortunatelly I place much of the blame on Handera for the negative comments and feelings of most users. They had a loyal (rabidly so at times) instilled base of users from TRG days, and due to marketing (or lack therof) errors, ineptitude and stupidity have lost all of their loyal followers. Further, most users feel slighted by Handeras MORONIC "no comment" plicy and the general lack of support the company has shown for its Handera 330 and its instilled user base. They have not upgraded the OS, hardware or assisted 3rd party developers and have left the unit as a orpahn while Sony has become the defacto standard.

Pretty pathetic actually that a comapany with such a large lead in just 18 months has gone from one of the best to an insignificant blip in the Palm OS world. Just goes to show just cause you have great engineering does't mean squat.

By the way make it 4 users, I dumped mine on eBay 3 months ago. LOL

RE: Impressive Handera Case
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/1/2002 1:58:39 AM #
I still have my Handera, and I also have this case. It is extremely well engineered, just like my Handera.

BTW, broke is not really a good prediction with the Handera. I dropped mine about five feet face down on concrete with NO damage whatsoever, not even scratches on the finish.

You trolls can't even say that about your NR70's, even though they are nice machines.

Sean

RE: Impressive Handera Case
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/1/2002 9:02:15 AM #
> most users feel slighted by Handeras MORONIC "no comment" plicy

I'm not sure where you get "most users", but EVERY company has a no comment policy when it comes to future products. If you think otherwise, you are the moron.

> They have not [...] assisted 3rd party developers

I have never had a situation where HandEra has not answered a development related question. I would say you have no clue what you are talking about with regrads to this.

> By the way make it 4 users, I dumped mine on eBay 3 months ago. LOL

If you buy a device and manage to keep it far less than a year, then it was never for you in the first place. I've had my 330 for a year now, and it still does all the things I need that you cannot even get today on another Palm OS device.

I'd suggest learning some new strategies in how to purchase the right device for you. Your failures are clearly costing you some money, and causing stress that cannot be good for your heart.

Handera service?
orb2069 @ 7/1/2002 4:08:12 PM #
Hi Jorge! Back at it, eh?

I've never had more than a 24 hour turnaround on my (Rare) problems with Handera. More than I can say for Rand McNally, who have stuck me with two dud GPS's in a row, and are now failing to answer emails. Lovely.

I /am/ the eggman.

They should call it PPC expo.

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 6:12:26 PM #
What, the Palm OS coverage is so low, these guys are really into PPC.
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