Palm Says Sept 12th Announcement Is Not Centro

Palm's Stephanie Richardson has added a new post to the official Palm blog, stating that next week's September 12th European announcement will not be for the Palm Centro. Last week a few of Palm's European website put up a teaser page that hints at a upcoming new Palm smartphone announcement.

Sources have told PalmInfocenter that the event will include the launch of a new Windows Mobile powered smartphone. In addition, the device will likely be Palm's first non-touchscreen device running Windows Mobile Standard (formerly Smartphone edition). Blurry shots of this device bearing Vodafone branding were first leaked back in June.

Palm Windows Mobile Smartphone

If indeed accurate, this would mark the first device using Windows Mobile standard from Palm. The Standard version of Windows Mobile does not support a touch-screen and usually operates with a 320x240 display. The device pictured above does seem to share a very similar design with the leaked shots of the Palm Centro.

For more Palm rumor analysis be sure to read or previous report: Four New Treos Forthcoming?

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Has there been a lot of buzz about this?

SeldomVisitor @ 9/7/2007 2:27:01 PM # Q
Looking around here on PiC I'd have to say...

But, in any case, PALM thinks so!

-- http://blog.palm.com/palm/2007/09/its-a-bird-its-.html

RE: Has there been a lot of buzz about this?
sgingras @ 9/7/2007 2:48:03 PM # Q
Nice find...and very interesting. Summary - A Palm employee on the official Palm blog states that the device that they will present in Europe on the 12th will NOT be the Centro.

I have seen other rumors that claim that Palm is much further along with their Linux-based phone than originally estimated...helped by external contractors (Wind River?). My money is on a WM6 GSM device in Europe next week, but it would be very nice to see the first Linux-based Palm on the street instead.

RE: Has there been a lot of buzz about this?
SeldomVisitor @ 9/7/2007 2:52:01 PM # Q
I don't think anything Linux will be coming til next year - the CEO has repeatedly said so and he =JUST= said they were cancelling their Foleo so they could concentrate on the new platform.

I just don't see it happening.[and, since the CEO =did= say "no Linux smartphone til calendar 2008" I believe he HAS to say something like "Well, maybe there is!" otherwise risk good ol' lawsuits about misleading the public etc etc etc.

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Same device as Centro?

SeldomVisitor @ 9/7/2007 2:55:12 PM # Q
PALM has said, maybemore than once, that they were going to do something about standardizing on hardware for their two OSes...maybe this device, though not a "Centro", =is= the same hardware (albeit different radio?).

RE: Same device as Centro?
hkklife @ 9/7/2007 3:42:50 PM # Q
I think *THIS* device (that is, a lower-end Windows Mobile Standard-powered, non-touchscreen GSM smartphone) will be similar but not identical to the black Centro running Garnet on Sprint we've seen recently.

I would not be surprised to see the CDMA/Garnet Centro having slightly lesser specs in some key areas (lower resolution camera, physically smaller LCD but with more pixels, smaller keyboard, slower CPU or less RAM, and perhaps a fixed battery) than this similar but not quite identical GSM WM sister device. Microsoft's licensing costs are another reason this device could/will end up costing more.

For example, Palm could have A2DP on this device and tout that as a higher-end feature to justify the extra cost. The Garnet-based device, primarily due to OS limitations, could be offered at a lower price point under the branding of a "Centro" value line.

SV;

Remember, if this thing is sporting a 320x240 LCD as it clearly appears to then it will HAVE to differ in at least LCD & radio from an equivalent Palm OS CDMA device. The Sprint Centro images have clearly shown it to have the standard 320x320 LCD seen on every POS Treo since the 650.

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RE: Same device as Centro?
SeldomVisitor @ 9/7/2007 3:48:55 PM # Q
Yeah, I can believe anything - I admittedly have not paid too much atttention to the Centro et al so know almost nothing about them - see the first comment!

RE: Same device as Centro?
hkklife @ 9/7/2007 3:54:47 PM # Q
Let me clarify my comments--the Centro appears to have a 320x320 LCD, which is the same resolution used on every POS Treo from the 650 onward. The Centro's LCD does appear (and has been reported to be by at least one user) physically smaller than any current Treo's screen.

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RE: Same device as Centro?
joad @ 9/7/2007 5:05:56 PM # Q
"The Centro's LCD does appear (and has been reported to be by at least one user) physically smaller than any current Treo's screen."

Well, it's about time. We had to wait until release of the Treo 680 & 755 for the shorter battery life we were all clamoring for. Now it looks like Palm is set to *finally* shrink that HUGE screen we've had to tolerate on all Treo models.

Of all the things to "fix" on newer models, I'm continually shocked at where Palm's attention goes. Their long distracted walk through the mulberry patch pushing and now withdrawing the Fooleo is another example of diluting their strengths.

Meanwhile, Apple's already announced a PDA with a LARGER screen than the Treo... instead of "Touch" they ought to call it "Newton's Revenge." If they can add a keyboard and/or Graffiti ONE, removable battery and SD card and a PalmOS emulator to their line then the game is likely up for Palm - they can go into the business dumping the demo Fooleos.

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**Another vote for a >100MB RAM Treo**

RE: Same device as Centro?
hkklife @ 9/7/2007 5:57:03 PM # Q
Palm has a wonderful way of releasing downgraded devices that often make their predecessors look better in comparison.

A few examples over the years:

1. People complained that the m100 series was under-specc'd, ugly, and had a tiny screen. Palm retaliated by releasing the original Zire and Zire 22 that somehow managed to be even uglier, less usable, and traded a few improved specs (newer OS, USB, li-ion battery) for less RAM, no backlight, no cradle, and 2 fewer hard buttons.

2. People complained the T3 was a solid handheld but needed more RAM and a solid design without the slider. Palm released the T5 which brought a slightly faster CPU, larger battery, and 256mb of onboard flash to the table. Unfortunatey the T5 was more sluggish (NVFS), flakier, cheaply constructed, omitted a cradle from the package and removed the charge LED, vibrate alarm, and voice recorder + microphone from the T3. And the T5 cost more upon release ahnd had a vastly inferior stylus to boot! So the T3 went from being an above average unit for its time to its current mythical status as the "best Palm handheld of all time" simply due to the failings of its successor devices (T5, LifeDrive, and TX).

3. Everyone then complained about the T5's above attributes, primarily its lack of wi-fi and cheap plastic body. Palm releases the LifeDrive with splendid build quality and wi-fi/Bluetooth but with numerous stability & performance issues. Everyone then rejoices when the TX comes out at a lower price point, addresses the LD's failings but still has most of the T5's limitations! And look how people are now pining for an updated TX2!

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RE: Same device as Centro?
TooMuch @ 9/7/2007 9:05:57 PM # Q
"...instead of "Touch" they ought to call it "Newton's Revenge." If they can add a keyboard and/or Graffiti ONE, removable battery and SD card and a PalmOS emulator to their line then the game is likely up for Palm - they can go into the business dumping the demo Fooleos."

joad, you've got to be kidding! Your list of "ifs" reminds me of Don Meredith's commentary to Howard Cosell about his "ifs"..."if ifs & buts were candy & nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas!"

Your list is hilarious (removeable battery & SD?...Apple has never & will never) and ridiculous (POS emulator?...the very need to have a POS emulator reveals the SEVERELY missing software on "Touch" to make it a true PDA competitor). "Touch" is an iPod with a WiFi radio to buy music & videos with. For crying out loud, you can't even find a foundational PDA feature in the market material on it. Apple built it to be what it is...a very sweet iPod!

RE: Same device as Centro?
mikecane @ 9/11/2007 9:00:32 AM # Q
Good God! That just sunk in: when Apple does do the iPhone/iPod SDK, I'm certain some madman will do a PalmOS emulator for it.

StyleTap, the Sequel!

(Of course, it won't actually do much since no HWR or stylus... and no one will want to write on that touchscreen!)

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Well, whatever it is...

mikecane @ 9/7/2007 4:45:02 PM # Q
...it won't be anything like an iPhone.

Yawn.

Nor will it be what some people (me!me!) really want:
http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/im-so-bad-im-good/

RE: Well, whatever it is...
LiveFaith @ 9/7/2007 6:23:22 PM # Q
... at the current Palm rate, it will take approximately 11,000 years for them to create something as interesting as the iPhone. And that includes no Wi-Fi.

Pat Horne
RE: Well, whatever it is...
freakout @ 9/7/2007 8:58:19 PM # Q
...it won't be anything like an iPhone.

Thank God. We might actually get a phone with a hang-up button! Or even that incredibly advanced feature known as copy-and-paste. Still, it's nice to see Apple's trying. :P

RE: Well, whatever it is...
TooMuch @ 9/7/2007 9:20:27 PM # Q
Having had an iPhone for 1 week, I much happier with my T680 now. The iPhone just couldn't replace it. No one-handed operation. No speed dialing. No "touch" (by feel) typing. Etc, etc, etc. It's a beautiful product but NOT a smartphone replacement as it is. Thus, AT&T/Apple won't allow you to port a "business" phone number to it. They are strictly avoiding it being perceived as something it isn't. I wish it was, but it ain't.

BTW. I am a proud, all-Apple home & work user (15" MacBook Pro, 12" MacBook, 12" Powerbook, 17" iMac, Mac Mini, 5 ipods, etc.)...except for the iPhone, though my kids would like one. :)

RE: Well, whatever it is...
TooMuch @ 9/7/2007 9:33:36 PM # Q
MC, I read your blog on "iPhone Death Star Upgrade." I would like to add one more upgrade coming to your list...A virtual harddrive to store it all. :)

(BTW. I enjoy reading your posts.)

RE: Well, whatever it is...
TooMuch @ 9/8/2007 10:10:21 AM # Q
(BTW. I enjoy reading your posts.)

Oops, I obviously haven't read enough of your posts or you are a different person on your blog. Now that I have read further on your blog, I have changed my opinion. You lost me with the foul-mouthed blogging.

RE: Well, whatever it is...
mikecane @ 9/8/2007 12:16:18 PM # Q
TooMuch --> Good. Didn't want you there anyway.

RE: Well, whatever it is...
TooMuch @ 9/8/2007 12:59:08 PM # Q
Then don't post links to it here.

RE: Well, whatever it is...
abosco @ 9/8/2007 4:28:39 PM # Q
>>Thank God. We might actually get a phone with a hang-up button! Or even that incredibly advanced feature known as copy-and-paste. Still, it's nice to see Apple's trying. :P

Shut up. Everytime the iPhone is mentioned, you quickly inject your opinion as if you know what you're talking about. Just shut up already. Honestly. Notice the Palm Economy is considerably smaller than it was just two years ago?

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

Ah, I love the sound of Internet rage in the morning...
freakout @ 9/8/2007 8:19:50 PM # Q
^^ Oh - so it does have a hang-up button then? Lol. I'm so dreadfully sorry for mentioning the blindingly obvious*, Bosco. Please, forgive me! I'm begging you**!

Notice the Palm Economy is considerably smaller than it was just two years ago?

And I care because...?

*Actually, I'm being incredibly sarcastic. But it can be difficult to convey on the Internet.
**Sarcasm again - just in case you missed it.


RE: Well, whatever it is...
abosco @ 9/9/2007 12:09:56 PM # Q
I guess you've never heard of Psion? In this industry, if you are unwilling to change along with the times, you'll find yourself a mere footnote on Wikipedia.

You're actually adding to the downfall of Palm by singing the praises of the Treo in comparison to the iPhone, which you still don't have any credibility to even talk about since you've never actually seen one in person. Notice you're pretty much the only one on this site that rips on the iPhone while everyone else says, "Why couldn't Palm give us that?"

No, you're right. Nevermind. Support Palm. But wait, what do I do with all of these SD cards now? Or those mini-SD cards I bought? Now I have to move to micro-SD? Can I still use my Universal Connector-equipped keyboard or do I have to buy a new one? Oh, and is the update ready for the 700p or is it still destroying Treos?

You're a Palm fanboy, nothing more.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

RE: Well, whatever it is...
mikecane @ 9/9/2007 2:49:49 PM # Q
No, abosco, he's just an obnoxious retard. Everyone just laughs at him.

RE: Well, whatever it is...
freakout @ 9/9/2007 5:28:18 PM # Q
You're actually adding to the downfall of Palm by singing the praises of the Treo in comparison to the iPhone, which you still don't have any credibility to even talk about since you've never actually seen one in person.

You really are a bitter little man, aren't you Bosco? As I've stated about, oh, six trillion times, I can see the Treo's failings perfectly well. Bulky form, outdated OS, crap camera yada yada. But the iPhone is far from perfect. The only people who can't see that are folks like yourself, who are so choked-up with rage towards a freakin' gadget company (which, BTW, demonstrates a really sad set of life priorities) they can't bring themselves to acknowledge that Palm could do anything right. At all.

And this "credibility" thing - so, I'm wrong then about the iPhone having a closed OS, no hang-up button, no copy-and-paste, no MMS, no removable battery, no exposed keyboard and available only with contract to a crap carrier?

P.S. If the iPhone's so fantastic, why have Apple seen the need to drop the price by 200 bucks only two months out from release? Methinks sales have not been what Apple expected. Guess hype can only take you so far before you need to actually start, y'know, competing...

And Caney, nice try. How 'bout you try getting a life already, insteading of blogging pointless nonsense while you hang out in Apple stores? It's just sad.

RE: Well, whatever it is...
jca666us @ 9/9/2007 8:48:57 PM # Q
Freak you're a clown - by dropping the iphone's price by $200 - apple is raising competition against palm. What will palm do to compete? Include an extra sd card with every Treo? :) maybe that will make people forget the boxy form factor, crappy OS, crappy camera, and small screen.

iphone sales are on target - about a million iphones by the end of september...while treo sales are steadily declining.

FYI, apple can lower the iphone's cost because: a. production has ramped up and b. since the ipod touch and iphone share components - economies of scale come into play and lower component prices.

I - along with many others - call out your criticisms of the iphone since - as many readers know - you've never used one.

You really should just write what you know - which admittedly isn't much!

RE: Well, whatever it is...
cervezas @ 9/9/2007 9:44:51 PM # Q
It is curious how freakout's detractors seem to miss the point over and over again: he is a Palm fan who has looked at the limitations of the Treo and the iPhone and figured he's personally better off with a Treo. I've used an iPhone and I had the same response as Tim, for many of the same reasons plus a few others: I just didn't find it to be very good for doing business, which is why I bother carrying a smartphone in the first place. It won't connect to my company email or calendar. It won't let me edit or even view office docs. It won't let me log into and control my remote desktops and servers. It won't let me read eBooks or RSS feeds offline, like when I'm on a flight. I couldn't get the web-based iChat to work decently for IM, which we use heavily on my team. And it's nice to be able to download and play a game every once in a while, but I can't do that either. All things considered, there are really very few things I personally need or want to be able to do with a smartphone that I can do with an iPhone, whereas the Treo for all its other limitations, covers the territory fairly well. For me it's just a pretty feature phone and iPod--nice, but of very little use to me.

Like Tim, I really don't give a damn if Apple sells 500 iPhones for every Treo that Palm sells. It's not going to make me buy an iPhone. Obviously, other people have different things they want from their mobile, but I'd be embarrassed as hell if I called them "clowns," "retards" or "shills" for Apple because of this. I mean, who can't understand the simple fact that the iPhone and Treo are designed for different users to meet different needs?

David Beers
Senior Wireless Developer
MapQuest
www.pikesoft.com/blog

Brilliant stratagem!
freakout @ 9/9/2007 9:48:23 PM # Q
If a product is selling as well as you'd hoped at 600 dollars, you don't [B]drop[/B] the price - and eliminate another variant altogether. What, you think Apple don't like money or something?

As for my criticisms of the iPhone, I again challenge any of you sad little people (and it's always you guys) to actually show me where I'm wrong. You still haven't. Put up or shut up, folks. (But what's the bet you'll do neither?)

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

RE: Well, whatever it is...
freakout @ 9/9/2007 9:51:21 PM # Q
Cheers Beersie, for restoring my faith in humanity. Hopefully, your rationalism will be infectious. Sadly, I suspect it won't.
RE: Well, whatever it is...
mikecane @ 9/10/2007 10:00:48 AM # Q
I call him a Retard because that's obviously what he is.

And you seem to think, Beers, that the the iPhone won't impact Treo sales because people "need different things." That doesn't mean the Treo is the alternative to the iPhone.

Wait to see what Palm says about Treo sales for last quarter and this one. It'll be, "WHAT Treo sales?"

RE: Well, whatever it is...
SeldomVisitor @ 9/10/2007 10:03:04 AM # Q
Apple today said they had now sold their millionth iPhone.

A Lehman "analyst" today said he/she thought PALM's AT&T sales would be the pits.

Connection?

RE: Well, whatever it is...
cervezas @ 9/10/2007 10:59:44 AM # Q
Wow, Mike. Do you ever read before replying?

Let me spell it out one more time. The iPhone is *obviously* a big problem for Palm's business insofar as they're going after the "consumer" smartphone space (and they clearly are). Tim's never said anything different, to my knowledge, and neither have I. But it's irrelevant to the point he has been making, which is just that a lot of people will still consider Treos to be better than iPhones for their purpose. There's nothing stupid about that at all. I wouldn't make the iPhone the phone I carry if you gave it to me for free with lifetime free service. I'd still have to carry something like a Treo.

If Palm goes out of business some day, I'd much sooner switch to a high-end Nokia than I would to an iPhone. The only stupid idea is the one that "iPhone takes all."

David Beers
Senior Wireless Developer
MapQuest
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Well, whatever it is...
mikecane @ 9/10/2007 11:54:58 AM # Q
I never said iPhone takes all. The Retard doesn't understand what a breakthrough the iPhone is on several levels. You do, which is why you haven't seen me arguing with you.

BTW, will you post the damned concluding part of your Foleo thoughts on your blog already? (If you just did, post the URL.)

RE: Well, whatever it is...
mikecane @ 9/10/2007 12:19:12 PM # Q
Besides which, Beers, what you doing here during these hours? Nothing to do at your new job? (Or are you a telecommuter?)

RE: Well, whatever it is...
hkklife @ 9/10/2007 3:45:55 PM # Q
Well, keeping in mind the fact that probably 80% of the "business types" I know that use a Treo have NO 3rd party software on their Treos other than what Palm bundles in ROM or on the CD in the box, I can perfectly see "those types" jumping ship to the iPhone because they need little more than a cellphone with a built-in address book, calendar, and digital camera.

Now, there are folks like myself that could conceivably carry an iPod Touch IN ADDITION to a Treo. The Treo is still the superior PDA smartphone vs. the iPhone for classic PIM/e-mail/etc. purposes (ie anything not involving multimedia) but Apple's likely to be on their 3rd generation iPhone design by the time Palm even gets a buggy first-gen PLinux product out the door. Palm's stingy obsession with small square screens is really going to be their downfall. I had a lady ask me the other day when I pulled out my Treo "Oh is that a Treo or a BlackBerry? They're both like little iPhones but with tiny screens and little keyboards that no one knows how to use". Crude, yes, but that pretty much sums up the opinion of the masses as far as these things go.


Now, I refuse to carry 3 devices. 2 devices is the maximum I'll carry with me during a workday. Since I rely on voice for most critical tasks, I'll probably stick with a dedicated dumbphone no matter what. Now, what to pair with it? A Treo, a TX or an iPod Touch? All have a variety of pros & cons.

A small/sleek flip dumbphone (I currently have a Moto KRZR K1m) is still the best "primary" device IMO because they are so durable and easy to pocket if you are traveling light. Other pros are superb battery life, reception, durability, voice quality, Bluetooth, and speakerphone/hands-free functionality. Dumbphone are rock-solid stable but have lame web/e-mail/camera/multimedia/contacts functionality.


Let's examine the pros & cons of my other three available choices:

#1 Treo (I currently have a 700p)
Pros: Removable battery in a wide variety of capacities, EVDO "internet anywhere", strong PIM functionality, superb thumboard, "thousands" of available apps & accessories

Cons: Bulky, heavy, only mediocre battery, atrocious voice quality and reception, poor build quality & reliability, small square screen, poor multimedia capabilities, poor Bluetooth performance, pricey, requires a data + voice plan on Verizon even if I don't use it as a voice phone

#3 iPod Touch
Pros: 8 or 16GB of internal storage, fantastic screen, superb mp3 player functionality & audio output quality, good build quality, fantastic UI. Sleek & slim design. Good value for the $ considering the amount of storage included.

Cons: Mediocre PDA functionality, no cut'n paste, no stylus, no Graffiti/Jot etc, no removable SD slot, fixed battery, unproved track record, and no 3rd party apps.

#4 Palm TX
Pros: 320x480 LCD, 128mb RAM, wi-fi and Bluetooth, cheap. strong PIM apps, stylus, SD slot, "thousands" of avilable apps & accessories. Best compromise between media & productivity between the two above units.

Cons: Mediocre hardware quality and styling, fixed battery, dim LCD, no SDHC capability so 4GB card max size.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Well, whatever it is...
hkklife @ 9/10/2007 3:48:45 PM # Q
Edit: in between #2 & #4 is supposed to be #3 "Windows Mobile PDA" which I pretty much have ruled out. It lacks any of the compelling features of the iPhone, would require rebuying many apps that I already have for POS, and would seem to be (at best) a sideways upgrade compared to the two TX's I already own.

I suppose i'll stick to the primitive dumbphone + 700p combination for the time being due to Verizon's sluggish release cycle and to see what Palm comes up with in early '08 (my 700p's contract is up in June '08).

But right now I am getting the distinct feeling that the 700p is going to end up being my final Palm-branded device unless something changes soon. I am not going to abandon the platform by any means, but Palm has absolutely NOTHING in the way of compelling product right now.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Well, whatever it is...
cervezas @ 9/10/2007 4:42:22 PM # Q
I don't know what "business types" you encounter in your travels, Kris, but the number one apps I see business people using on their Treos are email and calendar, both interoperating with Exchange Server. Since the iPhone doesn't work with Exchange in its most common configuration, and doesn't work with BlackBerry Enterprise Server in any configuration that rules it out as a viable device for most of the business people I know.

As much as folks here seem to be wringing their hands about how Palm will be affected by iPhone (and I don't necessarily disagree) I still have a feeling that the biggest threat to Palm is RIM. Working downtown, riding the commuter train, and flying between Denver and the Coasts, I still see 15 BlackBerries for every iPhone, and Treos outnumbering iPhones at least 5 to 1. This isn't offered as an anecdotal sample of all mobile users, but these people working in Denver's financial, telecom, energy and government offices are probably a reasonably good sample of Palm's bread and butter market.


David Beers
Senior Wireless Developer
MapQuest
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Well, whatever it is...
freakout @ 9/10/2007 5:24:32 PM # Q
mikecane:
I never said iPhone takes all. The Retard doesn't understand what a breakthrough the iPhone is on several levels. You do, which is why you haven't seen me arguing with you.

Un-bloodly-believable. You are so full of crap it's a wonder you haven't exploded. A few choice quotes from that oh-so-controversial editorial I wrote:

email:

iPhone's email is visually impressive, and has features like in-line photos that leave Versamail in the dust.

web:

Blazer is a joke. It was pretty good a couple of years ago, but nowadays is just not up to scratch. iPhone on the other hand gives us a stripped-down version of Safari...it renders full web pages and meshes them with intelligent touch-controls to give us what is unequivocally the most impressive mobile web browser to date.

On media:

But out of the box an iPhone blows the Treo out of the water, and it's mostly due to two things: a large screen and iTunes.

Make no bones about it, Apple's new multi-touch technology is indeed revolutionary...

hardware:

Apple's hardware has always been of high quality and specifically designed to inspire gadget lust. iPhone is no exception and kills the Treo stone-cold dead in this category.

But it doesn't fit your ridiculous personal attacks on me to actually take all this into account, hence it's ignored. And life goes on...

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

RE: Well, whatever it is...
mikecane @ 9/10/2007 6:13:08 PM # Q
/ignore Retard

Beers: I see Sidekicks galore where I am. (Great device name too, that.)

Apple never said the iPhone was an Enterprise tool. I'm sure you know that.

hkk: I forgot where I posted it, but I saw a woman on a subway doing something with her Treo. When she was done, she pulled out an *iPod* to play music. So much for MP3 via Treo! Everyday people *will* carry 2 devices.

RE: Well, whatever it is...
freakout @ 9/10/2007 7:07:48 PM # Q
For now. As Gekko is so fond of saying, there's no need to fumble with 2+ devices when one smartphone can do them all.

(Yes, I know you're just going to post a pathetic insult in response. No, I couldn't care less. The only person you demean with that rubbish is yourself.)

RE: Well, whatever it is...
Gekko @ 9/10/2007 7:12:08 PM # Q

"There's no reason to buy/manage/charge/carry/sync/fight/fumble with 2+ devices when ONE Smartphone can do it all."



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